₦airaland Forum

ehvez: **A Jew can grow his beard in order to practice his faith But when Muslim does the same, he is an extremist and terrorist!

**A nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God, right? But, then, if a daughter of Muslim- Ummah does the same, why is she oppressed?

**When a western woman stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected by the entire society because of sacrificing her life to her house But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated"!

**Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom? But when a Muslim Girl/Lady wears Hijab, they prevent her from entering the university!

**When a child dedicates himself to a subject, he has potential and talent.. But when he dedicates himself to Islam he is hopeless!**WHY When a Jew kills someone, religion is not mentioned, but when a Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to trial!

**When someone sacrfices himself to keep others alive, he is noble and everyone respects him. But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated --- He gets the title of 'terrorist'!

**Why? Because he is a "Muslim"! When there is trouble, we accept any solution available, right? However, if the solution lies in Islam, we refuse to take a look at it. When someone drives a perfect car in an improper manner, no one blames the car.... *But when any Muslim makes a mistake or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason"!
Without giving a glance at Islamic laws, people believe what the newspapers say.why are muslims always critisized
I knw with this post i shall be critisized

Mr anony: Isn't it an interesting world we live in?

Government condemns hate speech based on race, gender and sexual preference
Media: They are promoting freedom.

Government condemns hate speech against religion
Media: They are against freedom

Why the double standard?

mkmyers45: In the sense that they know why there are there, they can look into the mirror knowing what they see and they know the consequences of thier actions...yes we can judge them to be aware based on these

mkmyers45: And aren't humans also subject to set algorithm of the maker? How is the human conscious which is as a result of an emulation of that of the creator any diffrent from neural correlates of consciousness that can be exhibited by machines as a result of recreation of brain activity.

tabontabon: If the june 12 annulment & death of abiola are payment for his political sins.Then,obasanjo's rise to democratic power and pillaging of our collective resources since then by his cronies is a reward for his GOOD DEEDS.While,d death of Shehu musa yaradua in Abacha's gulag is also a reward for his SINS.
All over the world,politics is a game of dirth and deaths.
If people and countries should be punished for their political sins,the USA,UK,FRANCE cum their past presidents and security chiefs should be in ruin by now for their deadly(assasination,coup sponsoring) interference in world politics.There are allegations that d CIA & sister agencies once aided drug smuggling to support their foreign operations. Meaning there is no SAINTHOOD in politics.

Afrocatalyst: The truth is a lot of us Nigerians were inexperienced in d workings of a democratic govt as at that time. We only wanted a ray of hope that we were starting somtin beta dan militarian style of govt. Abiola was nt a clean man,dat we know,even then bt we had a choice to make as a nation,which had nt happened prior to dat time. And we made it. That's d point here,WE MADE A CHOICE. Show me an innocent man and I'll show you Jesus. No man is innocent and as such,karma catches up wit us all depending on how long enuff we live to experience it. Pls senator,let the dead have peace. We mark dis day nt because of the man nor his character as a man which was highly questionable,bt we mark dis day becos it was d first time we,as a nation, made a choice that we could say was fair to our votes. It was d day our votes counted, it was d day WE MADE A CHOICE.

REHOZIBAH: Wat a balanced synopsis!

But be dat as it may,pound 4 pound,we cant compare d quality of personalities btw ACN n PDP n wat dey churn out in terms of governance n dividends of democracy

D vison n clarity of thought process dat goes in2 d management of ACN by Asiwaju n other leaders is well above d pedestrian nay infantile nuances n mannerisms of d PDP

Wyl ACN av attempted to deliver on electoral promises made even tho we expect mor frm dem,dis oda umbrella wielding crowd are just so shoeless,clueless,colourless!

Gbawe: the envious lies and half-truths, mainly told by those from outside the SW on this forum

, it is obvious the ACN is gradually getting it right cohesively and in a planned, holistic order.

Unlike the PDP that can only ever be haphazard because it is, as an American public official stated, a congregation of stakeholders gathered to "share the Nigerian cake".

eGuerrilla: My last post here.

naptu2: My last post on this thread.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21764675

Thread unfollowed.

naptu2: My last post on this thread.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21764675

Thread unfollowed.

naptu2: +100

hercules07: What you should argue for is the government to seek the co-operation of those who are sincere, our newspapers have a role to play by not glorifying the acts of BH, but, GEJ can not do it by threats, it does not work, civilized behaviour requires that the government rises above BH, there are better ways to handle these things, how anybody can be in favour of giving blanket powers to those in position of authority who have shown over and over again that they can not be trusted with basic powers is beyond me.

naptu2: For me this is not even about GEJ or the current government. Like others have said, who knows what kind of government we'll have after GEJ's government? Who knows what they'll use these powers for?

naptu2: Ii support the government in the war against terror, but I'm opposed to a situation where innocent people will suffer needlessly because of this. That innocent person could be you or me or someone we know.

nuclearboy: @DS:

Let's look at GEJ's own mediation panel - do you realise that it could be argued they are law breakers if they do have any contact with boko haram?

Which returns us to the real fear - that the above means if say, Sambo is discovered fraternising with BH, GEJ can say "he works for me and thus I decide he is NOT wrong" but if Amaechi (example) is, then same GEJ can say "I don't like his face so I pronounce him terrorist"!

Being a lawyer, you surely understand the concept of "definition"! The absence of such in this issue is bot to be lauded as it grants sweeping powers, accuser, witness, judge and executioner - ALL

naptu2: 1) The act prohibits you from distributing "inciting" information. Therefore, if Shekau's speech is inciting and you post it on nairaland (as has often been done here) you have committed an offence. This is different from a reporter "saying" that Shekau posted a video.

2) If you were "invited" to an interview with Shekau, you would noot know his location (one of the reasons why I haven't seen an interview with Shekau). The terrorists will not trust you either. What usually happens here is that they would either e-mail you or drop off messages for you. However, let's use the BBC example. Someone drops off a message asking if you want to interview Shekau. You reply via an e-mail. One day people appear out of no where and pick you off the streets and blindfold you. They take you to somewhere where Shekau is waiting and you interview him. Can you be arrested for associating with him? Can you publish your interview?

3) If you want to know how Nigerian security agents respond to these kinds of things, try and find out what's going on at Giwa Barracks.

Remember, it's the duty of the various organs of the political system to protect the interests of ordinary members of society who may or may not have a voice. These organs include the legislature, the judiciary, the media (as the fourth estate of the realm), the opposition, complaints commission, etc. In raising this question, CAN is performing their job as the opposition. I would have been disappointed if they didn't raise the question. It is also the duty of the government to reply and assure the populace that innocent people will not be victimised as a result of this order. It is also their duty to assure that freedom of speech will be protected.

Ii support the government in the war against terror, but I'm opposed to a situation where innocent people will suffer needlessly because of this. That innocent person could be you or me or someone we know.

eGuerrilla: Thanks for making an attempt to bring some focus to the discussion at hand.

My original qualm with @OP was actually more to do with his implied suggestion that our government should be able to take a carte blanche approach to issues bordering on civil liberties just because we are "at war".

To begin with, I had merely sought to present the other side of the argument, while stating my own position on the concerns raised

While I am fully in support of the SoE and most of what it entails, I refuse to trade my right to ask questions.

@All, matters like this are generally handled differently in more advanced climes...



Source: http://www.thelawjournal.co.uk

Gbawe: Taking unthinkingly at face value, it may appear contentious to most but the specific point the ACN raises are clear enough and with a basis in solid argument. I just try and refrain from talking about Boko Haram and certain 'sensitive' issues here because GEJ fans are entirely clannish with no capacity for logical reasoning. Go back to the period after the fuel subsidy riot.

Many of us here openly warned that Ribadu would be rubbished if he worked with the Government because GEJ is insincere, dishonest, ultra-corrupt and the main perpetrator, along with Allison-Madueke et al, of the subsidy scam. We were insulted here as "unpratriotic elements" asking Ribadu to "shun his national obligation". What is the state of affairs today? Did we not see them openly compromise Ribadu via drafting Orasanye and Otti into the NNPC board , which was one of the body under investigation, while the duo were still members of Ribadu's task force? Are we not vindicated today and are those who backed Ribadu then and touted it a mini-victory that GEJ could get him on board not the same characters insulting the man today?

Ditto for when I said devoting the largest budgeted sum ever to security in the National budget would not solve the Boko Haram issue if there is no sincere effort to bring soponsors of terror to book. I was even a "boko Haram sponsor" because I said the GEJ government can simply not meet it's insincere and facetious pledge that the Boko Haram will be brought to an end by June 2012.

Even now I have specific views about the handling of the Boko Haram issue but this is not the forum to discuss it. The article below hopefully clears things up because I certainly will not talk much about the issue. Had it not been that you are a decent poster who addressed me directly, then I am comfortable not talking at all about the government's actions over Boko Haram. Where we find ourselves is where we find ourselves since grown adults want to be sentimental and biased kids who blind themselves to what is obvious and logical.

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/news/acn-boko-harams-ban-violates-constitution/

donchris999: My dear! I don't understand how this ban on boko haram is affecting ACN? Did they ban ACN in the process? Am just asking oo because i may be missing something i dont really know oo. #just confused#

thehomer: Before I leave you, you may want to try reviewing my argument and this thread maybe after a few weeks. Hopefully, you'd have gained some perspective. Oh and please avoid logical fallacies and self contradiction whenever you wish to come back.

Uyi Iredia: Reason demands he report the location. He will be indirectly abetting Shekhau's activities by ommision of information.

donchris999: So, the proscription of boko haram is affecting ACN as a party? How does ACN connect to boko haram that they are crying than the bereaved? How will banning of boko haram affect ACN and its fortunes? How does it affect ACN's right to association? There was no place i saw in the proscription of boko haram were ACN was mentioned. Is it that if boko haram is banned, then ACN is banned too or will cease to exist? What is really the connection with ACN and bokoharam? How does this boko haram ban stop ACN from their right to associate? Did FG ban any opposition party along with boko haram? Hmmmmm!

Garri the 1st: You still don't get ACN's point. There's a 20 year jail term for anyone who supports such an organization. The question is: WHAT CONSTITUTES "SUPPORT"??

If for example a journalist publishes a video recording released by BH, is that support??

naptu2: So the question is, can a guardian reporter who secretly meets a boko haram member and interviews him be sentenced to twenty years in jail for associating with terrorists? What implications does this have for freedom of speech/the press? These were the questions that were asked on that thread.