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hillsate: Hello Frosbel
I have always read the way you answer question here.
Please i Have some question for you.

1.Please could you help explain this verse of scripture. Does it mean Jesus is same as God.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NKJV

2. Is the Holy Spirit a person, just like Jesus and God?
Please awaiting your responses. Thanks.

FXKing2012: Waooo! What a lorry-load of trash. You have in deed murdered the 5 arguments that killed atheism with this train-load of trash.

Ptolomeus: Let's see.
I'm not Christian nor Catholic, but the bible says that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father

frosbel: Some of us have Jobs you know

Without wanting to spend much time regurgitating what I have repeated time and time again, GOD = 1 not 3.

I asked you , if God is 3 , how come we have only 1 throne in heaven, you still cannot answer this simple question.

Please reject this catholic doctrine.

frosbel: imo , If they don't accept you, then you aren't supposed to go back to that home or that city. The bible says for us not to give that which is holy to the dogs.

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."


You're not to talk about religion to those who don't want to hear it, and don't give your goods away by arguing with them, because they can and will throw it back in your face.

thehomer: It makes no sense. Everyone isn't online you know. Neither does anyone expect everyone to respond to everything online.
How hard is it for you to actually address something directly?

Now to your question: It seems you have already come to a conclusion before even asking the question nevertheless I'll answer you thus: I you have really read the story of the temptations of Jesus Christ, you would have understood that the temptations were not necessarily taking place in the physical realm. It even involves Jesus "teleporting" from the wilderness to the top of the temple and then to the top of a high mountain and back to the wilderness in moments.
You could compare the manner of Jesus' temptations with visions of Ezekiel, Daniel, John e.t.c.

I know that the bible is true you only hate it and choose to reject it because you want it to conform to your worldview but it won't

thehomer: And the point was?

halalMACburger: Hypocrite. You were dealing mercilessly with Ghostofsparta and calling him daft when yu are here saying foolish things like "spirivision".

thehomer: What on earth is this?

Niflheim: the new testament states that the devil took jesus to the top of a tower and showed him all the kingdoms of the world,now the problem is that if the world were flat, then it will be possible to observe all the kingdoms on earth.but sadly for christians,the world is spherical so even if you stood on mount everest or the tallest building in the world,the burj al khalifa,the least you will see is a flatline,which is an empty horizon....................YOU KNOW THAT YOUR BIBLE IS FAKE AND YOU KNOW THAT IT IS FALSE AND YET YOU STILL EXPECT US TO PUT UP WITH YOUR FOOLISH LIES!!!

thehomer: One can offer a rebuttal by actually pointing out problems with a person's argument rather than just calling people names you know.

thehomer: Actually, the theory of evolution is scientific.
What first chemical reactions are you talking about?

ghostofsparta: Why don't you go ask 'google' who created the first living person. What an absurd question. Why should I be bothered. I sure know it wasn't Adam and Eve (creationism), I rather stick to The Odua Strain Theory. Go read about EVOLUTION.

ghostofsparta: Don't you like your fancy new name? Mr. Deep Dafted Sight (Mr.DDS)

ghostofsparta: Daft as you can be.
Daft is the shape of your reasoning.

Like I said on that post Mr. DDS (Deep Dafted Sight)

noetic16: Your Dads sperm and mum's egg created you, Fine. What/who created the first living person?

Martian: It all started when a silly person decided to start a thread bashing atheists using some inane arguments based on appeals to ignorance. Then, the ghostofsparta decided to refute the ignorance with even more inanities and then decided that his ridiculous rebuttal of the original "arguments" are worthy of a new thread.

It's freaking hilarious!!!!

To make it even funnier, the "atheist", ghostofparta believes in ifa.

ow11: ^^^^

Would you mind telling us how?

ghostofsparta: Shhh! Be still

E ya! Am so sorry I didn't consider certain douchebags who wouldn't comprehend it. Anyway I appreciate you yourself to point that out.

MacDaddy01: Lazy.

Is that all you can say?

ghostofsparta: Ha! Ha! Ha!

Your punchlines are so fragile I can't help but to crumble them like the weak 5 pillars of Islam.

@Seun
I liked your response, nice one!

@MacDaddy aka LogicBoy
Like I said...I always feel your points...keep it on.

Now let me smash all these dumb religionists especially the half-knowledged ForexKing

1. DREAM
There are three phases of sleep and depending on how exhausted the body is, a dream may occur in between these phases notably during REM. REM? (Rapid Eyes Movement) Take for instance, suppose you were staring at a door-knob, your eyes fixated at the shiny metal knob and suddenly, a wall-gecko brisks by, you involuntarily move the position of your pupils from the door knob line of sight towards the location of the wall-gecko's line of sight. Such act of observation is called 'seeing' or 'watching' which is what goes on during REM because the pupil rapidly moves from one direction to another, seeing visuals, watching moving images. The next question is where does these 'visual images' comes from? There's an abstract thing called 'mind' which is responsible for our emotions, logic, intellects, reasoning and ofcourse 'imagination' which is the keypoint here been that when one imagines, one can be said to be visualising one's own thoughts e.g. 'kissing someone' or 'passing an exam' or 'surviving an accident'; kind of like watching one's own imagination. In other words the visual images seen by the eyes is generated from the mind, at this juncture I'm provided with the liberty to define 'dream' as the pre-lucid experience of visualising one's own imagination while 'dreaming' is the visual feedback of residual thoughts ex-imagined on a conscious mind, induced by the sub-conscious self. If the pupils are static, the subject would experience either a drifty or normal or deep sleep (no dream). I have dreamt about events that I wished could happen but never did, I have dreamt about nightmares that never transpired. I have had disturbing real life experience I never previously dreamt of, likewise have I had several delightful moments I never dreamt prior to. So no dreams actually come true. Your point of a dream coming true is highly subjective, unless taken metaphorically. You've only made a futile attempt in trying to connect the phenomenon of 'dreaming' to confirm the existence of semitic God (Yaweh/Allah) by claiming they govern a spirit-realm otherwise known as the dream-state. To further crush your 'pillar of dream' I will sincerely tell you that I personally do experience what is called 'phantasmagoria' an experience more weird than 'dejavu' yet never attributed it to any divinity, rather I took time to understand what it is, even before I knew it had a name. In conclusion, most people who think that to dream is an evidence of God's existence should explain why is it that in Yorubaland here, there are mysterious cases of people who after sleeping never wakes up again. Did God allowed Satan the Devil to have a field day? Well, in Yoruba belief system or theology...according to a aspect of Ifa known as Ishegun (craft of ogun) [a repository of various esoteric knowledge and science as thoughts by the 'irunmole' osanyin] contains means where one's dream state can be intruded by.....I won't go into that......and even if I should....it still wouldn't still confirm the existence of Yaweh/Allah but rather ours which is Olodumare and his 400 irunmole/orusha (Olorun is not God but a deity of the sky in Yoruba theology...Olu Orun i.e. Lord of The Sky. Orun is not heaven in Yoruba language, Orun is the blue sky while Ofurufu is the cloud. The concept of heaven and hell was borrowed into the Yoruba etymology from christeo-judaic influence. The Greeks have Atlas in their myths..Note: Mythology is neither true nor false. It is erroneous to relegate the Yoruba pantheon to a mythological status because Irumole/Orisha Ayilala do respond when *contactivated*)

2. DE JAVU
There's no such thing as a real de javu. It's a french term adopted to describe a feeling of reliving a particular event twice or more which is very different from 'Phantasmagoria' which is - in my own case involves the conscious partaking or observation of a series of real events that strongly SEEMS familiar, mostly from a dream. So what does that tell you - flashforwarding of one's own consciousness to a future time by an upped mind to be experienced later in reality. DeJavu on the other hand is the effect you feel whenever the mind recalls a repressed memory of event previously relived in a sub-conscious mind-state. It has a lot to do with incoming stream of sensory information overwritten into a SECTOR of the memory lane with SIMILAR make-up. My sister once passed a place where she spotted a red car with people passing by as normal, after a year later, she had forgotten (let assign a value to that event: 'FXK2f5y433z18r' which is repressed somewhere in the recesses of her memory bank since it's an insignificant or irrelevant stream of sensory information) but only to be recalled when she passed that same spot seeing either that same red car or a similar one with people passing by as usual, the difference this time around is that the sensory information would read almost the same as: FXL2g5y423z18y. It is the result of this conflict in storage location one feels as 'DeJavu. She told me her experience but none of us knew such thing had a name because we were like 9 - 10 years old back then. To her it was indeed very weird. Once again...another cheap attempt to validate the existence of the Abrahamic gods.

3. UNIVERSAL ORDER
What a gimmick! You even shot yourself with a Russian Roulette. Are you aware that your analysis up there about planetary order, microbes, etc were all knowable thanks to science - the enemy of Abrahamic faiths. Talking about order...then tell me why is Uranus not obeying that order in it clock-wise orbit round the sun? Science explores and understand how things work, using that knowledge to the benefit or detriment of mankind. If anyone really want to know how everything began...I recommend the study of Yoruba Theology as espoused in Ifa. It had long provided answers to the tough debate that the Chicken came before the Egg. Genesis of Earthling.

4. CAUSE AND EFFECT
To quote you:

for every cause there is definitely an effect.
Ofcourse we already know that as a scientific axiom whose origin isn't from any of the revealed books. Please refer to the First Law of Motion to be further cleared in that.

there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced
Have you explored the whole universe for you to assert the whole universe is 'well balanced'? Define balance within the context of your usage, How do you know there isn't chaos happening somewhere in another galaxy gazillion of light years away right now? How are you or the bible so sure Earth is the only planet that has life form? How would you describe as exploding over-densed gas also known as 'star'...Chaotic? Orderly?

something (or someone) must have caused it
Something - YES (science of Evolution and Big Bang Theory)
Someone - NO (not an omni-potent God who after creating the heavenly bodies still needs to REST on the seventh day) Have you heard about the omni-potent paradox before? Can an god be so omnipotent that it would create a stone so heavy that it can never carry? Duh!.......even in Yoruba theology...Olodunare whom Ifa never address it as neither a he nor a she wasn't credited as the creator of the universe. It just says it is 'awamaridi' i.e. It that is searched but never found....Olodumare isn't the same with the Jewish 'Yaweh/Jeovah' nor the Arabic 'Allah' because their characteristics completely differs. The Christian God (Yaweh/Jeovah) has an adversary known as Satan the Devil. The Yorubas Olodumare has no adversary, though there's a passage in deep Ifa that says 'Owo ni kan lo wo oju Olodumare' i.e. (Out of the 400 irunmoles/oruishas sent to ile-aiye (earth), it is only the irunmole called 'Owo' (money) that challenged Olodumare as saying 'he/she has become more popular and famous than Olodumare their Master, and so Olodumare laid 'ge-gun fun' (pronounced a curse on it) that 'won ma ma wa e kiri gbo gbo ojo ile aiye, iwo na ama wa won' meaning everyone would be searching for the proud and famous irunmole/orisha called 'Owo' and vice versa....this is 'deism'. Our ancestors understood the climate, weather and meteorology and heuhemerised these knowledge into a personification called Shango identified as the deity of justice and revenge not the erroneous 'God of Thunder' like Thor or Zeus. There are babalawos who still retain that knowledge of invoking rain or holding one.

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it couldnt have all happened out of nothing
If you were born into a stone age era, you'd probably think there's someone or something moving the winds, breeze and air. Elementary science explains that movement of air or wind is as a result of convective factors such as the difference in the rate of rapid evaporation due to massive heat and rainfall. My point been if certain conditions occurs their certainly going to be an effect. It is that conditions in the field of 'origin of human existence' some conveniently chose to reason as a 'the causer'. An good analogy is when certain conditions are established in your anatomy, the result is to fart. Did you cause it? No, the condition did. Yet another weak throw to dislodge atheism.

5. LIFE ON EARTH
I'm sure I have answered this 'absurd question' somewhere up there, which is very similar to the common one asked by many Nigerian religionists whenever they can't debate intelligently, they ignorantly ask me 'who created you?' And I love to answer 'what created me is my dad's sperm and mum's egg'.

Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object
You are right but ONLY if its an object. A virus isn't an object but an organism that is either active or inactive depending on the condition. Go read about bio-genesis and isomorphism. Then again you will have to define 'Life' within religious context.

In conclusion:
I personally do experience lots of synchronicity which up till today still can't make sense of it but I very much know it has to do with my own 'mental evolution' which may be due years of 'mind experiment'. I never for once attributed my ordeals to any religion nor Ifa itself. I'm sure you must have heard about 'placebo effect' before....now take for instance a catholic old woman whose responding positive to a placebo drug may attribute her recovery to a divinity been the foundation make-up of her psyche/mentality.

Next time try attacking deist and pagans, while leaving the atheists to attack you with 'burden of proof'. Finally atheism was not imported to Africa. Our ancestors had divergent views about living (not life), they shared one belief system which is what you love to call 'idolatory'. Please define idolatory if you don't mind.

MacDaddy01: While I am tempted to bash Seun, I understand that this website is his business. Therefore, he is put in a position where majority of his customers, who are religious, will want him to apply their religious double standards in the form of blasphemy law enforcement. What I want from Seun, is to not give in to their double standards and try to calm them down with logical replies rather than banning their enemies (unbelievers)

Deep Sight: All in my head? I don't know about that.

I was in Dar es Salam for a Managed Servces negotiation two weeks ago.

One night I woke up from a dream. In the dream a friend of mine who I had not seen or heard from for 16 years was sitting beside me. He simply said, Long, time, how have you been, we should hook up soon.

I last saw or thought of this fellow when we last saw back in secondary school. So I never think of him. He is entirely outside my worldview.

I got up because it was close to morning and I went online on my laptop.

The first message that fell into my mailbox was from that Friend I had just seen in the dream. It simply said, Long time, how hove you been, we should hook up soon.

I got back to Lagos and my brothers told me that he had visited my house that very day.

I know very well that it is not all in my head because since I was a child there is nothing significant that happens around me which I do not see in a dream some days or weeks in advance.

FXKing2012: [color=#006600][b]A dream that comes true EXACTLY the way you dreamt it is no coincidence, let's not deceive ourselves.

ghostofsparta: King of Mumu.....you think I didn't think about it before putting it there.....go through my older posts and ctrl+f several places where I said I'm only atheistic toward the three abrahamic faiths.

ZUBY77: I guess you are on a mission from God to derail this topic. F you cant make any good argument here like others, please leave. I am learning something from here. what you are doing is satanic, unless a satan is someone who doesnt attend the same church as you.

MacDaddy01: It is a joke, just like "an agnostic is an atheist with no balls"

MacDaddy01: Christian deism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_deism

Deep Sight: ^^^ That is not true. There are many different schools of Deism. Many regard worship as irrelevant, but others do worship. There was even once, i think, a "Church of Deism" or something like that which i think morphed into Unitarianism or something like that.

There is even christian deism. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Deism