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brain54:
Trump now threatening China...


It's okay for him to supply Ukraine and isreal weapons. But not for China to supply Iran?


The logic of America and the west always gives me chronic headaches.


He wants to open another front on which to fight.... I wonder how much and how many wars he can fight at the same time... especially with a power like China.


He should think it out very well o... not that after 2 weeks into it he would start begging for a cease fire again.


Very unstable somebody!

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Their logic is amazing.

Fela said it all - Animal sense don start again.

One veto vote is equal to 99 or more.

I can have a gun but you dare not have one.

Etc.

Its bewildering that we live in the same world with them and join the same organizations such as the UN. Its madness.

As for China, dont worry, they will not ever dare it. Its obvious by now they can never try China.

TV01:
Let's discuss whichever one did not practice human sacrifice and granted a full suite of human and civil rights to all.


TV

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Thats rich coming from a man who is advocating a religion that has ritual human sacrifice as its centre-piece teaching.
Besides, this is moral evolution and different from the matter of innovation we discussed.

bemeruca:
Fighting Wars shows strong leadership. Doing what many have been making noise about but chickens out when it comes to doing the thing is courage.

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Yeah yeah, after NOT fighting such wars was one of his biggest campaign points!

The ear is a part of the head smart guy 😂😂
After the neck you have the head 😂

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You know very well that writing the way you did made it sound like a proper headshot whereas it wasnt.

That aside, I wish I had his magic ear with its magic healing capacity.

bemeruca:
Yet he did not dodge Iran, while others make mouth he talk the talk and do the thing.

The guy took a bullet in the head and stood up with his fist high. That guy is tough

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Draft Dodgers are cowards. Fighting a war while sitting in an office as the most protected man in the world is not bravery.

Bullet in his head? When? What are you smoking?

You mean ear, the ear that mysteriously had not even a scar shortly after.

TV01:
I did - I read the Bible

The Way, The Truth and The Life!


TV

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Sigh.

TV01:
Ey yah! I was raised to look kindly upon the underprivileged - Deep, na you be dis .
How is it that both you and your sidekick Lord Reed are unable to navigate through nuance in conversation or any type of layered discussion.

Like I said, I was raised....so let me try again.
The point is not about individual inventions or necessarily where they emanate from. Here is the hypothesis. Danke!

^{"Only the JC ethos creates the sustainable culture which can deliver full-suite human rights, individual freedoms and civil liberties. Which at once guarantee individual pursuits and free association, forming the basis for open trade and capital markets, which drive, innovation, research, scientific inquiry and technological advancement, as well as progressive social welfare programs".}

Likewise your mucker LordReed thought the discussion was about locating inventions in the pages of religious text. Ah, ah. How could one both think and engage that premise? I shudder to think. Why do I bother? Oh yes, I was raised.... .

You ask for a breakdown. Which I not only gave unprompted in my very first reply to your accusation that the bible advocates for slavery, I also asked you a question. One question. Which you have studiously avoided. I further wrote on the law and it's abolition\fulfilment. Again I asked you 2 questions, both of which you obfuscated over, yet failed to answer.

The conversation is only stymied by design - your design. So, for you and anyone else who cares to read, I will start with slavery in the NT and ask you questions. In tandem, I will also continue to demonstrate the superiority of a JC based culture. Some of us are capable of nuanced, layered, correctly premised and multi-faceted discussion

I have already detailed your MO, so no expectations.


TeeVee

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You know nothing about nuance so don't use the word. I have seen nothing in you to suggest you are either worth a serious discussion or interested in one. You are completely anti intellectual.

Whenever you decide to be serious, it will be noticeable. When, or rather if that time ever comes, we may have a proper discussion.

TV01:
There is a darkness to their worldview that demands that JC culture is at best, bad, or no different in effect to any other - even ee.slam.eek.

Find a nation or empire that managed to develop the attributes I listed. Many were brutal and driven by slavery which they shed tears about at every opportunity.

A major problem for them is that if JC indeed does what it says on the tin, it explains the advance the majorly European nations who adopted it experienced. They would rather explain their own backwardness by saying the TATS and Christians, Europeans (read white people) who engaged in it are the reason the Yoruba did not invent the motor vehicle, the Igbo did not drive discoveries in ophthalmological surgery and the Ijaw were not first into space .

That is why slavery, colonialism, and racism are their perennial fallbacks. They ardently seek it out. No rock left unturned. No nook no cranny unexplored. Perennial victims .

If it wasn't faith, what was it? Why don't SSA or the MAW have it? Ask them when Nigeria will level up or SA will fix up and they begin to stammer . NO time scale is possible. Of course it isn't. Dey dere dey para!


Jesus is Lord


TV

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What about Rome, Greece, Egypt and China, I keep asking.

bemeruca:
Strong men, winners always stands with trump not emotional men like deepsight and LordReed 😂

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A serial draft dodger is not a strong man or a warrior.

TV01:
Yes now! We need to dispose of our waste. One invented underground sewage and flushable loos - Nigerians invented exposed gutters and open defecation

I'm sure there is a study somewhere explaining it all .

Show me a peddler of victimhood and I'll show you an excuse factory.


TV

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Small mind. This has nothing to do with victimhood. Stop hating science.

Do something with the fact that you can read.

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basilico:
They don't want to accept that the JC culture brought about rapid development when advances starting taking off.
They are clinging to the idea that development was just organic and happened without any external factor encouraging social cohesion and order

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Again, there are reasons for innovation. Sound, literate scientific ones. Not puerile imagination that religion did it. Worse, only one religion. When everyone knows religion for the most part retarded science.

Please think like a literate man. Do not render your education a waste.

Clue: Necessity is the mother of invention. Old saying.

TV01:
TV - There is nothing that has driven recent scientific and technological advancement in humankind than that which emanated or mimicked the outworking of nations historically rooted in the JC culture.

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One can validly say that the Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment involved a lot of rebellion against Judeo Christian religious constrictions and limitations of thought.

IRON CLAD FACT.

basilico:
Why is it that the most advanced societies were from JC culture. Before the Asian tigers, Japan China caught up?
Don't you dare say slavery or colonization. Switzerland Sweden Norway Denmark etc didn't have colonies .

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Stop. I asked you a question. Rewind and address my questions first. It will help you.

Did Rome, Greece and Egypt require the JC culture to advance, flourish and innovate? Did the Chinese require it to invent the many things they did including gun powder, paper, the compass, the seismograph and the blast furnace?

The answer is obvious.

I can only smile at how pedestrian your thinking at that of TV01 actually are. There are advanced academic studies on what drives civilization and innovation and you guys are not even scratching the surface.

basilico:
Victors wrote the history about the golden age of Islam.
I'm glad you recognize that ISIS caliphate broke no Islamic law
My take is that Islam doesn't foster innovation apart from the very obvious like using ox drawn ploughs instead of hoes.

Why you think thousands flocked to Raqqa and ISS.To live in the khilafa under Sharia . Thousands and thousands some from western upper middle class families.
When Khomeini returned to Iran ,within 30 days the Iranian people voted overwhelmingly to be ruled by Sharia.You saw how it worked out for them. Today Muslims in Europe and everywhere else demand Sharia based concessions from the hosts like marrying cousins, halal meat, a muezzin blasting the call to prayer 5 times a day

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Let me help you. Forget about Islam for a minute. Tell me about other cultures. They all invented nothing as well?

The JC culture accelerated rapid development of the west leaving every other culture light years behind.

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How so?

Do you know that there are scientifically sound reasons for the advancement of Europe?

Please your absurdity is giving me a headache. Tell me how exactly the JC culture led to innovation.

Be specific.

And as you do so, let me give you a nugget for thought. When Rome, Greece and Egypt were all light years ahead of back waters like Germania and Britannia, was it on account of religious culture?

Would you be smart enough to spare a thought for their location on the Mediterranean for example?

LordReed:
Left to you MAGAts there be no innovation either. You are turning out to be Christian ISIS.

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Very very very well said.

basilico:
ISIS reenacted how the Caliphs of Islam ruled. Every thing they did was to the letter according to the Quran and hadeeths . Everything law they passed was Islamic Every punishment was Islamic including public beheadings.

Do you think under ISIS there would have been serious innovations from their Caliphate?

That's the bone of contention not about Judeo-Christianity.

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That is certainly not the bone of contention. The bone is whether inventions are limited to JC cultures.
And even a two year old can tell you they are not.
Only lunatics would say they are.

Mind you, while you have limited yourself to Islam, I have spread the net to all other non JC Cultures from antiquity - which covers the real question as framed by the obviously unwell TV01.

LordReed:
Well then the question is stupid because you gave a stupid example with the Quran, which is why when asked to produce such an example with the Bible, you turn around to call it stupid. Blame yourself for the stupidity.

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It terrifies me that they cannot see this duplicity of theirs.

femi4:
looking for engagement as usual

Change your style..this is stale

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Will you shat ap and kneel down at once!

basilico:
I already know you don't want to accept that the JC culture is superior to every other .
You will not make believe that Islam did actually shape the innovation sector to the better. I'm already biased against Islam based on what I know about it .

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And I have already severally denounced the backwardness of Islam.

It does nothing to delete the golden age of its empires.

Again, it does not mean that that age derived from Islamic teaching. It means that Islamic people had a golden age, an age where they flourished leading the known world in advanced thought. It also does not mean that other non Islamic people did not contribute to that, as conquest, assimilation and the mixture of peoples is actually key to development and inventions, to new ideas.

Finally, I am glad you admit your bias as you have also admitted many other things.

Does true repentance necessarily involve belief in Jesus being ritually murdered as a blood sacrifice for your sins?

basilico:
Trump Gets a Warrior's Thanks at UFC 327

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"Thank you for doing what you're doing. I needed to tell you this," Costa said straight to the president.

Trump grinned and fired back with classic style: "You're too good looking to be a fighter... and you are some fighter."

Just raw respect from a hard-hitting Brazilian beast to the man fighting for America every single day. While the media obsesses over division, real warriors know strength when they see it. Trump draws the biggest crowds, the loudest cheers, and now even the toughest fighters in the world are lining up to thank him.

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Entertainers draw crowds.
And make no mistake a serial draft dodger can never be a warrior.

basilico:
About the Bible verses ,I rightly pointed out that was human misinterpretation,not a divine revelation.

Ancient cultures you mentioned had a spiritual culture too that guided their day to day . Hammurabi had an eye for eye punishment.
Egyptians worshiped the sun god and built huge pyramids? Some of those cultures had good things that enabled innovation and creativity and they also had evil things that would land anyone in jail if they was practiced today. Their treatment of conquered subjects was horrible.
Some Africans used to leave their sick in forests to be eaten by hyenas.
Indians used to bury the rulers with their wives as someone pointed out here a few days ago.
The JC is more superior to other cultures, if you care to admit that.

The Islamic culture during those golden ages was exactly like ISIS, Taliban and Al Shabab.

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Makes no sense. If it was, they would not have achieved so much.

Modern evolved culture is superior to barbarism yes. That is modernity. Not JC culture because that included the divine right of kings which led to totalitarianism, feudalism and slavery for example. Also the witch hunts and much more.

cococandy:
I absolutely agree

He said he could shoot someone in the middle of New York’s busiest streets and wouldn’t lose their votes. Every single day, they try their hardest to prove him right

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Turns out he knew what he was saying.

basilico:
You expect the scriptures to show you how to invent a water pump or an EFI engine. Because that's what I've been asked about bible creativity.
Stupid question, stupid answer.
It's the culture encouraged by the scriptures that will lead to innovation.
If the scriptures say the earth is flat ,you are a heretic when you start thinking about launching satellites to orbit the earth

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So tell me about nations and empires before and without the said scriptures. Rome, Greece, etc.

They too didn't have the necessary culture to allow inventions?

What are you smoking?

Besides, you still haven't addressed the verses I provided you with. You keep yapping about flat Earth I have never once mentioned.

Are you stable?

GloriousGbola:
This happened 🤮

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Pitiful.

What is sad here is that this woman will not understand what she is doing. She will not understand that she is saying that it is okay for a president to be so debauched and that it is okay for him to act debauched to women generally.

cococandy:
And claim he’s not racist. Just questioning

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Well, what has been established is that Trumpists dont see anything as racist, no matter how extreme it is. Its a symptom of cults. The steady eagerness to justify and dismiss even the worst things.

It might sound as though i am speaking in hyperbole when i say that i am sure some Trumpists would defend Trump even if he r a p e d their mother or daughter in their presence.

But i am not.

cococandy:
Kirk would’ve found a way to discredit this astronaut even though he has the most masters degrees out of all of them

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One hundred percent sure. In fact they would say all the masters degrees are DEI degrees.

basilico:
No invention should come from scriptures directly, maybe they can get the juices of creativity flowing in an inquisitive mind.
For instance The Quran is not in chronological order,it starts with the shortest verse to the longest verse
Oga,with that you could think of inventing a modular incremental energy storage system. Start with a small capacitor, which then feeds serially into large batteries. You could sell your ESS by its physical length to fit your storage space at home. .How many inches/feet of my ESS do you want? One only needs to measure where to store the ESS ,and a suitable one is selected for him/her.
Oga ,you could call your ESS, the "Q inspired ESS". To avoid someone sizing what machete to use on your neck, you'd never let anyone know what Q means 😀😀😀

So now you see how Islam impedes innovation .

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This post discloses someone who needs urgent assessment and assistance.

basilico:
The bible does not say the earth is flat.
It was left to human interpretation that's my point.

Quran 18:86 is specific. The sun sets somewhere.
"Until, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it (as if) setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. We said, 'O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish (them) or else adopt among them (a way of) goodness.'" (Sahih International)

You cannot challenge anything in the Quran if you love your head sitting on top of the neck.

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Oga can you not read. I repeat, the verses I cited are not discussing flatness at all. So who are you responding to?

In fact, when have I brought up flatness of the earth ever? ? ? ?

I simply gave you a list of verses the church relied on to persecute scientists. On matters such as the movement of the Earth, not its shape.

Gloriously:
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Thank you. Probably according to that low grade hack TV01 the seven wonders of the ancient world never existed!

What madness!
.and the guy goes about with confidence.

TV01:
Have you no depth...is your moniker meant to be entirely ironic !

You have a very limited and ultimately futile toolkit, consisting of,
1. Copy & Paste
2. Avoiding questions
3. Strawmanning positions
4. Slurs
5. Tantrums

I see no depth, no artfully constructed points, no comprehensive analysis. I'll try again, because I like your discomfort !



It did so progressively and as long as it sticks, progress will continue. Nothing else can or has sustainably delivered all of that. At best mimic it to a degree. Where are the nations and empires you mentioned? Why are non-JC nations today mostly lagging - even to mimic .

It's why Nigeria is imploding, Somalia is war-torn and South-Africa is spiralling. The "inherency" required to inculcate the necessary ethos does not exist. Chaos and disarray is the natural state - and too be honest, you like it

ee.slam by it's very nature cannot of itself give rise to meaningful or sustainable innovation. It's contrary to it's design and intent. The golden age you speak of was history written by the victors.

I have noted repeatedly. ee,slam will claim anything in extant, in development or that lands after it conquers a people or territory. Long-term it will be degraded and ee.slam will revert to type - 7th century Arabia. The link you shared, showed that in detail. Did you read it?

The conquered Persian mathematician who forcefully converts to ee.slam will have his invention labelled ee.slam.eek, and himself a moose.slim. Labelled moose.slim does not mean natal to ee.slam. Did moose.slims settle and build Cordoba or Baghdad or Cairo?

Where are your gods .


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Worthless.

A complete non starter.

If you wish to make a proper effort start with these -

1. Address the list of inventions I provided (a hundred) from non Judeo Christian backgrounds.

2. Address the verses in the bible which enjoin the murder of witches and slavery and properly break them down as to why they do not say what they obviously say.

Anything beyond these is just noise.

It will eternally be ridiculous for anyone to claim that only Judeo Christian backgrounds allowed for inventive thought. I mean this is not just ahistorical, it is dim and half witted.

basilico:
The bible does not say the earth is flat. Those are interpretation by people .Those persecuted , why didn't they use this one in defence?
Isaiah 40:22: This is the most commonly cited verse. It states that God "sits above the circle of the earth". The Hebrew word used for "circle" is chug (חוג), which can refer to a circle, vault, or horizon. Some scholars argue this describes the Earth's curvature or a sphere ical shape.

I have this Jehovah witness neighbour He frequently invites me to his church because they follow what the Bible says exactly..Stuff about the cross of crucifixion,last week he invited me for Thursday service because that's the day to commemorate before the death . I have told him outward manifestation is not important,it's your faith that's more important.

The bible is by diverse authors and doesn't claim to be the unchangeable word of the Lord. Unlike Islam ,if any Muslim remotely suggests their prophet was wrong, he faces certain death

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The verses I cited did not discuss the shape of the Earth so you are discussing something else. The point of those verses was to show you that there are several verses which the church used to counter and persecute scientists. You are a weak discussant.