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Double0h7:
She looks old for 42!

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She's just obese.

aswani:
Read my original post again on the matter again, read it slowly and clearly. I was a lot more careful with the words I used than you thought.

I have given you a hint with the text in bold as to where you are wrong in your inference.

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Alright.

So I have gone back and read again as you requested.

The only difference I can see between what I said and what you said is that you said if you tell Grok X. While I said if you post anywhere on the internet X.

I am sure you know the reason I said that. It's because AI models like that scan the internet for information related to questions anyone may ask them.

Nevertheless let's keep to what you wrote. Namely that if you tell Grok X, it will vomit the same X verbatim to anyone who asks that same question as per what you told it. This is simply false and cannot be the case. To start with, one million people may have "told it" one million different things about the question being asked. So ab initio it can never be true that it will simply answer based on what one person has "told it" at some point in time.

aswani:
Humour me and tell me how LLM's work! You don't have to use my example.

Then look at the poster I responded to and defend their reliance on AI based on what they posted.

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Well first, let's be clear about one thing. I have no idea whether that Amupitan post is real or fake and I am not discussing that.

Yes, these models are Language Learning Models, Grok is a Large Language Model - that does not infer that it works in the simplistic way you suggested. If it did, it would be useless.

Per your suggestion, once anyone writes anywhere on the internet that I am a goat, if you ask Grok today if I am a goat, it will confirm that I am a goat.

That's simply not the case. It will compare and contrast all or most of the relevant information about me and deliver the most likely truthful results while placing appropriate disclaimers.

aswani:
Quick lecture about Grok, it is based on an LLM which means what you teach it to say is what it will return.

So if I tell it, "the poster with the moniker angelboy01 is a President Tinubu supporter" , next time anyone asks "who is angelboy01", it will correctly tell me "angelboy01 na President Tinubu fan".

The link I sent you is the actual debunking of the nonsense about Prof being on X by INEC.

But feel free to believe what you want, after all, you Obidients still shout stolen mandate.

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This is not the way Grok works. Rather in the scenario you described it may mention that someone has once claimed that he is a fan of the president. It will add a disclaimer pointing out that that is not proof.

TV01, basilico, contd...

Sub-Saharan Africa
Ancient African civilizations pioneered metalworking and astronomy.

91. Iron Smelting (Nok and Central Africa)
92. The Dogon Star Charts (Astronomy)
93. The Lebombo Bone (Mathematical tally stick)
94. The Ishango Bone (Early calculator)
95. Great Zimbabwe Architecture (Dry stone masonry)
96. Inoculation (Practiced by the Akan and others before the West)
97. Deep-Sea Vessels (Mali Empire exploration)
98. Fractional Math (Rhind Papyrus roots in Nubia/Egypt)
99. Ancient Metallurgy (Haya people’s high-temperature furnaces)
100. Complex Urban Planning (The Walls of Benin)[/color]

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TV01:
All advanced scientific discovery and technological innovation came from and continues to come from historically JC nations - the phone, TV, computers, satellites, motor vehicles, planes etc.

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Please answer the question specifically the same way you phrased it rather than this broad and vague escapist response. Tell us what just one invention which is owed to Christianity and and which would not exist but for Christianity.

Besides this, are you seriously claiming that all the inventions of mankind arise exclusively from Judeo Christian backgrounds?

FOr real TV01, one last time, tell me this is what you are saying.

I hope not because nothing could be more illiterate.

The JC ethos see's all men as created in the image of God. Fostering equality and individual liberties. This drives the pursuit of learning and research, leading to advancement and progress. It demonstrates Gods order and rationality in creation, engendering the pursuit rational inquiry and scientific discovery. Only the culture that arises out of this this ethos has proven capable of doing that. Nothng from the MAW or SSA.

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Jesus Christ of Nazareth. So an educated man actually believes that only Judeo Christian Cultures invent things?

Na wah.

This is beyond me.

Nope. Christianity was never any f those things. Christianity was abused, or at best misinterpreted by some, but when practised in truth delivers prosperity and well-being.

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Every religion can say the exact same thing about its dark past.

Till date, there are some incorrectly exegeted texts and downright non-scriptural practices. Tithing for example. But that is not Christianity.

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Unlike this, I presented you with Bible verses that clearly advocate the murder of witches and slavery.
You are yet to address those verses.

It's interesting how the one thing no historically JC country or contemporary community practices or makes a case for slavery. It's always been the opposite when the text is read and applied as intended. Christianity which you dishonestly claim advocates slavery, has it nowhere in view.
Unlike the MAW and SSA.

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Amazing. So you are actually saying that Christian Nations did not cite the bible to justify slavery.

Look, I am tired. I cant keep debating anyone who says the opposite of history.

I will just leave this here for posterity - I extract -

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Historically, the Bible was frequently used as a primary tool by pro-slavery advocates, particularly in the American South and during European colonial expansion. The arguments generally relied on specific interpretations of both the Old and New Testaments to frame slavery as a divinely sanctioned or "natural" institution.

Here is a breakdown of the primary biblical evidence cited to justify slavery:

The "Curse of Ham" (Genesis 9:20–27)
This was perhaps the most influential scriptural justification used for racialized slavery.

The Narrative: After the Great Flood, Noah becomes drunk, and his son Ham sees him naked. Noah subsequently curses Ham’s son, Canaan, stating, "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers."

The Interpretation: Pro-slavery theologians argued that Africans were the descendants of Ham/Canaan. By claiming this lineage, they framed the enslavement of Black people not as a human choice, but as the fulfillment of a divine decree.

Abrahamic Precedent and the Patriarchs
Advocates pointed to the lives of the biblical patriarchs to argue that slavery was compatible with a holy life.

Ownership: Proponents noted that Abraham, considered the "father of faith," held enslaved people (Genesis 14:14, 21:9–10).

Divine Instruction: They cited Genesis 17, where God instructs Abraham to circumcise everyone in his household, including those "bought with money from any foreigner," which was used to suggest that God recognized the legality of purchasing human beings.

The Mosaic Law (Leviticus 25:44–46)
While the Bible contained laws protecting Hebrew servants, pro-slavery writers focused on the distinction made regarding "foreigners."

The Text: Leviticus states, "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you... you can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life."

The Argument: This passage was used to prove that "chattel slavery" (treating humans as inheritable property) was explicitly permitted by God for non-Israelites.

New Testament "Household Codes"
Pro-slavery advocates argued that if Jesus or the Apostles intended to abolish slavery, they would have said so explicitly. Instead, they pointed to instructions for how enslaved people should behave.

Pauline Epistles: Verses such as Ephesians 6:5 ("Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear " ) and Colossians 3:22 were frequently read from pulpits to keep enslaved populations submissive.

1 Peter 2:18: This verse instructs servants to submit to their masters "not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

The Epistle to Philemon: In this letter, the Apostle Paul sends a runaway enslaved man, Onesimus, back to his master, Philemon. Pro-slavery proponents used this as "apostolic proof" that the legal rights of slaveholders must be respected.

The "Providential" Argument
Beyond specific verses, a broader "Providential" argument emerged in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Civilizing Mission: Many clergy argued that slavery was a "mercy" because it brought "heathens" from Africa into contact with Christianity, supposedly saving their souls through forced labor in a Christian land.

Historical Note: It is important to recognize that during the same era, Abolitionists used the same Bible to argue the opposite. They focused on the "Imago Dei" (the belief that all humans are created in the image of God) and the Exodus narrative (God liberating the Israelites from Egyptian bondage) to demand an end to the institution.
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Its a waste of time listening to anyone who denies that verses in the Bible were used to justify slavery.

budaatum:
It is my own belief that Those Who Read Only One Book Shall Die, but I at least know they are îgnorant.

You seem to have discovered the reason I ignore them much. It's like arguing the British, Chinese, Aztecs, Japanese, etc invented nothing until Christ was born, or as Yoruba me would put it, they have not seen the content of my father's trousers so think their father's content is bigger.

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Omo, Budaatum, this one shock me die.

I have learnt a huge lesson from this one.

One should not devote or assign any serious time or thought to what they post. Its a true waste of the mind and spirit.

basilico:
Deepsight. My very first post here as basilico is me asking Muslims if We should use the hadeeths or the Quran when debating them. If you quoted the hadeeths they would say oh it's not saheeh ( authentic ) you need to know Arabic ,you need to understand classical Arabic if you do ,then finally only the Quran is true ,.... They had like a list of 19 ways to shut you down.
They all chickened out after I showed them that Islam without hadeeths is incomplete. That was in 2013

By then quite a number of muslims used to post a lot on the Christian section,it was a very lively debate sub forum , until they decided to push all Islam debate questions into the Islam section Then made you literally recite the shahada before posting there .
We would post topics in the Christian section ,a mod would move it to the Islam section and kill it

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You and TV01 truly succeeded in numbing me and giving me a cold shock. I truly had goose pimples reading what you both asserted. Nothing could have prepared me for such statements.

I still got banned, I am not even through with the lists I extracted, I still have to post inventions from the pre-Colombus Americas and Africa.

Sad I should have to produce these lists - which are only the tip of an ice berg. Because anyone should know that the whole of human learning is a process where one thing is built upon from previous knowledge of another thing, a pyramid from the base to the pinnacle in which we stand on the shoulders of giants and all of humanity has been involved.

basilico:
Deepsight is well answered.
Subjugation is what led to grand mosques built on top of other shrines. Don't forget they was built with slave labour who were treated in the most degrading way possible.

Defining Retrospective Appropriation as the process where a dominant power rebrands the existing achievements of a conquered people as "theirs" to justify their superiority or "civilizing" mission.
This best explains most Muslim golden age achievements.

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What he wrote was lamentable ignorant gibberish.

Do you support his position that only people of Judeo Christian backgrounds ever invented anything?

basilico:
When I'm Interested in a subject I delve deep into it's heart.

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Therefore I can assume you have read the Quran and the Hadiths?

TenQ:
Such doesn't exist as what has no identity nor can relate with his creation cannot be God.

Such as you described is just an Idea!

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Any clear and rational understanding of the concept of God must conclude that being transcendent, IT is beyond the grasp of humanity. It is incomprehensible and ineffable.

Since you only reckon with scripture, let me use scripture to land the point:

1 Timothy 6:16: "Who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

Isaiah 55:8–9: "'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the Lord. 'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.'"

Romans 11:33–34: "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! 'Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?'"

Job 11:7: "Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty?"

Psalm 145:3: "Great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; his greatness no one can fathom."

I can tell you about my God based on what He has revealed about Himself

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The so called revelations are just the writings of men which include their fantasies, lies and imaginations.

[i]1. My God is ONE Being

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I agree.

2. He is the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything

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I agree.

3. My God is the Omnipresent Invisible Holy Spirit. The whole Universe physical and spiritual are inside Him.

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This is a pantheistic view.

4. Because my God is a Trinity, He makes Himself visible in the Spiritual Universe as the Father .
5. Because the Physical Universe is a Subset of the Spiritual Universe, My God makes Himself Visible in the Physical and Spiritual Realms as the Word
6. At a point in time, the Word became Incarnate as Human known in the Earth as Jesus Christ.

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I thought you said your God is one. How come he is also three.

7. My God created Humans as a special kind of beings with freewill that would by their CHOICE be the expressions of His image (Sons) through their Love, Loyalty and Submission to Him.

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Scripture does not teach freewill. Or rather, it teaches predestination.

Ephesians 1:4–5

"For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will."

Ephesians 1:11

"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will."

2 Timothy 1:9

"He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time."

Romans 8:29–30

"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son... And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

Is your God a Being or an Idea?

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I dont know. No one can know what God is beyond acceding that there is a source or root of all things and that is God.

Does your God interact with humans?

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I am not sure. I know that humans interact with the spiritual and many people might call that interacting with God, but I am not sure that it is. It might be, it might not be.

What is his objective for creating humans?

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I cant tell, but my best guess is that it is self expression and to experience ITSELF.

Is your God of Justice?

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I dont know and if at all God is just, we will not be able to see the big picture that IT sees to understand its justice.
What i feel sure of is that the man made God described in scripture is manifestly unjust.

I wish you answer each ot these questions!

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Done!

raumdeuter:
Why will my child learn from trump when I am his father, If your child skips to learn from his father and goes to an outsider, then the father needs to look at himself

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The thought that the minds of some children are being shaped by some of you is a painful thought.

IjeBos:
I honestly hope Raumdeuter behaves this way because he's seeking attention.
Unfortunately, that's the best case scenario for a grown man going online daily to repeatedly spew nonsense that is so easily fact checked.

He will spend the next 5 hours arguing that Trump does not insult random people online while feigning indignation that people are calling MAGA idiots and uneducated for voting for a Mentally unstable person who probably has dementia who spends his days insulting random people online.

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You know, one thinks that one has become immune to certain levels of nonsensical stupidity but these guys keep upping the ante and taking it to ever new dizzying heights.

How can anyone say with a straight face that Trump only insults people he knows and those who insult him first?

In this same world?

Na wah.

GloriousGbola:
Shithole country in the chat.

I am sure Trump was just trash talking when he shared the ape video of the Obamas

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They have already argued on this thread that there was nothing racist about the video depicting the Obamas as apes.
Black men dey talk so oh.

basilico:
The Cordoba mosque was a Church. Muslim when they conquer territory usually build a mosque on the holiest place of those conquered then claim it's theirs by divine authority.
Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Muslims found a desolate temple then built Al Aqsa and the Dome of Rocks on it. They claim that's where their prophet ascended to heaven from. It's not in the Quran so it should not be believed 100% . Why you think the Jews call their rocket air defence Iron Dome. Partly to mock them Muslims.....
In India they converted golden temples to their mosques, many of them .
Haggia Sophia in Turkey..Former church, they converted into a mosque,Attaturk Kemal converted it into a museum mid 1900s a ,Erdogan wants back it to a Mosque.
Muslims do this to show complete dominance and humiliation to the defeated subjects. The whole Islamic Creed rests on subjugation and complete humiliation of defeated subjects. For instance in a Israel , a Jew was obligated to open his mouth for a Muslim to spit in...Pact of Umar you can look it up.


Muslims destroyed the library of Alexandria and burnt every document they could find.

I have a lot more on this golden age but not for now.
Bucket list is growing ......

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This is weak and the golden age of Islam is not about converted churches or temples.

TenQ:
There are many "Gods"
Your God doesn't have a name?

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God is ineffable. IT can no more be named than it can be seen or comprehended.

basilico:
I would say Trump is better than Biden who jailed every Republican he could get.

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Listening to you guys is surreal. You live in an alternate reality.

raumdeuter:
Most people Trump insults are people who insulted or attacked him first then he counter punches back

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You need medical attention!

You are living in an alternate reality!

bayelsaowei:
I know you.. you are a black Nigerian, who supports and worships a vile white man.

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He is a vermiculus.

raumdeuter:
Trump knows personally all those he insulted and has related with them in one form or the other.

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Trump personally knows all the people he has insulted?
You are an award winning comedian.

raumdeuter:
That just shows you are a child who is not grown. If you child decide to start insulting someone who he has never met before who doesnt support his/her opinion, people will start wondering where he got that behavior from

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Surely, again, on this basis, you will agree that Trump is a child. By your own criterion again.

raumdeuter:
There is a difference between those you know and those you do not know. Its pure gutter behavior to insult people you dont know and just see on the internet.

Those type of behavior are for people with dady issues

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You are making excuses. Its not as if Trump doesn't insult anyone and everyone anyway, including whole countries he has never been to, and cannot even locate on a map.

raumdeuter:
Trump knew these people personally, That is a difference from saying you want to insult people you never met. That is a sign of insanity

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You are looking for wriggle room. The basis of his comments is a difference in opinion just as the basis of comments here are a difference of opinion.

TenQ:
Since you cannot answer my questions,
A fool says in his heart that all existence came from NOTHING!

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You are the one who could not address my posers which were too much for you. Thats why you threw a fit.
And no, I dont believe that all existence came from nothing. I believe in an uncaused cause which I still call God.

TV01:
Abi .

It's so easy to see - even with the most cursory of glances. A web of false claims, bogus assertions, deception, obfuscation, propaganda and downright lies.

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Again, this is ahistorical and illiterate. You can read up even in the best Encyclopedias -

https://www.britannica.com/video/achievements-world-mosque-Islamic-Cordoba-Spain-construction/-194004

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/300077166_The_Islamic_Golden_Age_A_Story_of_the_Triumph_of_the_Islamic_Civilization

Its not a matter of your irrelevant opinion. Its a matter of historical record.

You can just as well declare that by your opinion, there were no middle ages and no renaissance.

cc: basilico.

ee.slam praches charity - did you know that the zakat must only be given to moose.slims.
ee.slam preaches peace - only when everyone is a moose.slim, otherwise it's ongoing gee.hard
ee.slam preaches it is blasphemy to insult its profit, deserving of death - but wait, not to acknowledge him as a profit is considered an insult
ee.slam preaches innocents (children, women, non-combatants) should be spared during war) - but, only muslims are considered "innocent"

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Generally agreed. Some specifics contestable though (in red).

One good thing, just one, that was new and as a result of ee.slam, or that we wouldn't have if not for ee.slam.

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The development of mankind is not tied to religions in this way. Nonetheless, if you are consistent, please produce one good thing in same terms which was new and solely as a result of Christianity.

Regressive. Backward, destructive.

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Christianity was all these things for a long time. Its not that long ago that the Church supervised the witch burnings of hundreds of thousands of women, and hung or persecuted scientists such as Giordano Bruno and Galileo.

raumdeuter:
Over half of American voters voted for him. If you think insulting people who don't support your opinion is the way to go then you are obviously insane like the rest of the left

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And surely that makes the writer of the below what? Insane, by your criterion, yes?

TV01:
Are you able to be more explicit here? "Every way" is a very bold claim. Are you saying that the Republicans actually take action\write policy solely to harm "colored people", or exists solely for that reason?

I'm actually interested to understand how it is even possible to be so precise - a practice\policy\action that hurts ""colored people" but leaves "non-colored people" unharmed?

Conversely, does the opposite hold true for the Democratic party?

Please shed more light.


TV

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I require you to swear a mighty oath first that you will henceforth be more rational and scholarly.

gidgiddy:
People just dont understand that "Eze Ndigbo" is just a cultural title. There is nothing political about it. Although Eze Ndigbo translates as King of Igbos, the holder is no King, and is just a cultural leader of an Igbo community in diaspora

Enemies of the Igbo nation have turned what is purely a cultural thing, to mean a political thing, and in the process, caused unnecessary problems

Its terrible

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Somebody was once killed for being called King of the Jews in an area subject to a foreign emperor.
Wisdom is profitable to direct.

You dont expect foreigners to understand every nuance of your culture.