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budaatum:
This is very gracious of you.

Most religious people have evolved from literal readings of their religious books, is what I've found, and even need a form of dissonance from some of it to remain religious or the majority would have thrown the books out with their dirty water.

I'd be calling for the death of even their imaginary gods myself if they hadn't evolved, and I wish they'd evolve much quicker where the word "believe" is concerned.

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I went to the link you shared. Were you a Christian then?

budaatum:
No one said it was not written. My argument is that hardly any read it as justification to, and your "some" below is an illiterate few described by TV01 as "a man who is any combination of immature, neurotic, lacking n self control, empathy or a real love for his wife. Just stressed, angry or high even", which exists regardless of what religious book is read


What I've presented all along is now a "different question"? I'm amused.

Regardless, "some" Muslims find their justification for being bokoharam and Isis in the Quran too, like some are justifying bombing Iran with their Bibles, but I feel you'd accept such are a few "some", and the majority don't.


I definitely can't say same about you, I admit, since you are consistent in your view on both books.

My view is that any one who reads either book and learns what you claim "some" learn must be a person "who is any combination of immature, neurotic, lacking n self control, empathy or a real love for his wife. Just stressed, angry or high even", and thankfully will be a criminal in most societies if they do what the books have written in them.

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I can live with this.

Four months after Trump's threats and promises, how market for those who were shouting America will sort this issue?

budaatum:
Or claiming the Quran teaches wife beating,

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But its written in black and white. Whats your problem? Are you saying its not written in the Quran?

. . and or Muslims learn to beat their wife, because it is written in the Quran that they should.

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This is a different question and you know it. Nonetheless, yes, some Muslims find their justification for doing so in the Quran, Hadiths and general Islamic teachings.

And no, I do not expect you to accept that your argument for wife beating in the Quran and the witch killing etc in the Bible (you are at least consistent in that), is the same as that which TV01 is now defending the Bible for but had accused the Quran of.

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He is evidently biased to the extent that he can call a color two different things depending on the page he saw it on.

Sounded like a fart.

Lovelink1991:
With today kind of men it is difficult to get a good man. A lot of them just want to take advantage of her by sleeping with her with the promise that I wants to marry you. There are no good men

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The bold is just logically impossible and you know it.
And if you believe such a thing, you should equally believe there are no good women.

Excellent93:
Believe this lady at your own peril coming to vomit trash after they have frustrated other people's marriage ...are you saying no men came at your 20s or your doing natural selection

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Lol @ natural selection!

budaatum:
It is, isn't it?

Like claiming some read "beat your wife" in a 7th century written book and not expecting most to have evolved not to.

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No one claimed this. If you thought so, you were debating yourself.

triplechoice:
No. It is not.

The realisation that one has free will hasten ones spiritual growth.

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Really? How deeply have you reflected on this question.

Let me try you.

For starters. Do you agree that your genes play a role in your life choices and the way you think?

Hohenheim:
Stay off that ketamine

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While I cannot account for another person's experiences in such matters (no one can), I will confidently say that it is wrong to presume that people who speak about the astral, the ethereal, the spiritual worlds, or NDEs or OBEs must be on drugs.

Because such places and such things are real.

budaatum:
In my own opinion, you are guilty of doing with regard to Islam what you accuse Deepsight of doing with Christianity, "selecting decontextualised readings for their own selfish and wicked purposes".

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At the minimum it is clear that he is deploying a double standard.

TV01:
Why are you blowing up my mentions - all weekend. Persistence however often demands a response . To make the point and for any reading.

Which is exactly what I have done in my posts on The Christian message and slavery.

The Gospel is clear, nutshellingly so . Love God......love your neighbour...all the law is fulfilled in love...God is love...Jesus fulfilled the law...love does no harm to your neighbour...All searchable in the NKJV of the Bible.

The Christian texts do not teach, accept or endorse slavery. Yes, some who claimed Christianity claimed it did, probably like Deepsight is doing, selected, decontextualised readings for their own selfish and wicked purposes.

The islamic texts are clear, chattel and s3cs slavery are fine, well earned booty. The fact that some moose.slims openly or codedly reject slavery does not change that. The fact that some Christians practice polygamy or preach tithing does not mean the Gospel does.

Christianity because of the love, no harm directives, progressively eliminated slavery, "child marriage", cousin marriage, concubinage, polygamy, child labour, witch-hunts, wife-burnings, twin killings and a host of other societal pathologies. Not only that, it introduced real welfare reforms around jurisprudence, individual need, sanitation and health. It embedded charitable giving as a social norm.

No other faith, ideology or worldview has managed to deal with the pathologies, let alone introduce the welfare and charitable imperatives.,
To say Christianity endorses slavery is quite simply ignorant and\or malicious.

Per my last post, I cant speak for others. The Christian message is unchanged. The practices of people who claim to be Christians is another matter and down to them, as your motivation in interpreting is down to you.


TV

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It beats me how you can read the verses presented and still claim that the Bible does not endorse slavery. The OT is explicit enough, specifically talking about the seizing of women as war booty for example. And the Old Testament is scripture.

But it has also been pointed out to you how the NT urges Christians to accept their bondage in their spirits. It specifically says that they should not be people pleasers about it, that they should be sincere about it, not merely pretending to accept it. This is as insidious and evil as it gets, telling people to embrace bondage from their heart of hearts and capping it with saying they should do so as they would to Christ with fear and trembling.

These are explicit and no sincere or honest discussant can claim otherwise. You accuse me of being neither but it emerges that it is you who is duplicitous in this matter.

It is absolutely ridiculous for anyone to claim that there hasn't been evolution when looking at all this.

Of course you never said anything about the verse "suffer not a witch to live" on the basis of which hundreds of thousands of women were killed as witches relatively recently in historical terms.

Keep deluding yourself.

This is an insult to the souls of those soldiers and to God.

Ananais comes to mind.

triplechoice:
You have misunderstood both my position and the conversation and that is because you didn't read from the beginning of the thread

I did not bring Brostrom into this thread. Deepsight did. I was clarifying what Brostrom meant, not relying on him as my source.

I don't subscribe to simulation of reality. Simulation contradicts the truth about life: free will, without which we would not evolve as humans.

The only question I asked you was, What are they simulating? And how do you know?

You answer was word salad and vague references. dressed as depth

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Freewill is likely an illusion.

amaridigital:
Kim has joined the war and his Army will land in the middle east this week.
Iran may not have ballistic missiles that could reach the US but Kim the Rocket man does. He also have several nuclear weapons and he's crazy enough to use them when he needs to.
Russia also warned the US that Iran possessed missiles that could reach the Continental US.
Trump really fu*cked up going into war alone. The EU might join the war out of pity once North Korea engage Israel in direct fire for fire.
This is the war biblical scholars always believe could lead to the last world war but to many people, it seems very minor. Europe is not supporting Trump neither is South America. How arrogant can one be? Americans will forever regret voting for a boxing promoter as president. He's worse than the comedian of Ukraine.

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Has Kim really joined. Haven't seen any such news.

Beautifulday:
These guys priorities are weird. Them they slaughter your leaders and all you celebrate is destroying equipment

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If you don't understand the strategic importance of a radar plane like that then better keep away from this subject

IjeBos:
Just like the "MAGA Christians", there are a lot closeted Nigerians who drape themselves in faux Christianity because of that.
As if that will act as their shield from people suspecting them.
And because of that the 1st, 2nd and 3rd thing on their mind is fantasizing about other men and fantasizing other men are gay.

I believe people assume others are doing what they themselves can see themselves doing.
Bemeruca sees two men in a picture, he thinks their gay.. wonder why...
Ono seems to get excited believing I'm gay... wonder why

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Patently ridiculous and I dare say suspicious.

benalvino3:
Refute this. You go to their country and behave anyhow, but Ghana must go for the slightest of things.

Go and ask other Africans how south Africans are treating them. Ask Nigerians how Ghanaians are treating them.

When you go into the UK or US as illegals, breaking their laws, they put you in a hotel, give you a lawyer, which gives you a chance to make your case.

In Africa, a mob comes for you.

So make your case. Uncle Tom is not an argument.

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Saying that white people are tolerant as a general statement is silly.

So is conflating tolerance with wealth and organization.

benalvino3:
White people are tolerant

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I don't know what manner of ignorance this is. Perhaps it's just inferiority complex and worship of white skin.

Image123:
Lolz, he had to resort to speaking in tongues. Better no increase your blood pressure, Tinubu no send like that o.

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Seriously, with citizens like you, Nigeria is in for a long haul. Each time I see citizens like you, I understand why we are where we are.

A people get the leaders they deserve.

TV01:
Again, nothing evil or wicked or that causes human harm is commanded or prescribed for Christians. I have clearly explained the OT laws given to the Jews and the Jews only (and non-Jews living amongt them) in direct covenant with a holy God.

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Even if the OT was directed at only Jews -

1. It still raises questions as to the nature of the God that could have prescribed such barbarity for them. It only confirms and corroborates his disclosed nature as a barbarian in many other acts across the OT.

2. The verses in Ephesians and Colossians explicitly, insidiously and diabolically teach Christians to accept bondage on their hearts and not to pretend about it.

Christianity does not teach them, that is why Christians reject them.

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Christianity taught them and Christians defended such teachings for almost two thousand years.

I didn't exempt slavery - if as you claim Christianity has evolved, what in addition to slavery has evolved?

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If this is the case why did you specifically require that something else other than slavery should be mentioned?

Yes now, like your people naturally evolved from witch hunts, killing twins or selling their kindred for brollys?

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I hope you know the European witch hunts which took hundreds of thousands of lives were not so long ago in historical terms?

Your retorts are weak. Why was it Christians and not Atheists (who Christians had to fight) unburdened by religion that championed abolition? Wishy-washy tropes like "moral evolution" do not happen in a vacuum. Christianity did that.

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It is absurd to attribute this to Christians save perhaps the Quakers who had fought alongside many other abolitionists for a long time.

It's not my fault that the meaning of fulfil escapes you. When a law\contract is fulfilled, you are discharged, no longer subject to that law - replete in the bible. The new covenant ratified by The Blood of Jesus Christ is one of grace, not law

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Christ is clear with his words, it is you who seeks to twist them. Because if he meant that the law had passed away, he would not have said that he did not come to abolish it.

The entire doctrine of Grace via the sacrificial murder of Jesus of Nazareth, itself an abominable pagan doctrine which should shame you, is a matter for another day.

Please stop mis-ascribing, mis-interpreting or willfully mis-reading the bible to justify your pain and 8tred. You are easily read and more easily debunked.

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You debunk nothing and are not scholarly enough to be interesting.

benalvino3:
Ask him why he posted a photo of him and his boyfriend on a date

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A man can't hangout with a male friend without being gay? What universe is that?

Image123:
i can't see your increase deepS. i keep telling you that for ages.

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​Opinio vermiculi ne minimi quidem momenti mihi est.

Kalulu44:
I just hope you're not doing business, working or have clients that are from the region you didn't mention. Bcus if you do........ Let me not say what's on my mind for sake of banning. But if you're doing so, then you are an hypocrite of the highest order.

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Business? Your instincts are not sharp. That chap cant be in any business, one can tell he is still being taken care of by his parents and hasn't finished school.

Image123:
When e reach your turn, choose Obi.

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This is what you have been reduced to.
Shame.

Lamidi Apapa.

Richtaiwo:
David Mark served as a military officer, while Tinubu has been a civilian.

It is therefore unreasonable to expect a military officer, given the demands of their physically intensive career, to have the same level of physical fitness as a civilian.

This is straightforward and requires no complex explanation.

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That chap is in his mid eighties at the minimum.

Image123:
Jagaban, the man of the year/decade

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Pathetic.

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Leepeak:
1998 news paper 52 years
Abeg make I talk truth so that dem go give me rice
Tinubu is 74

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Why bother? Even his name is fake.

ono:
You know what? Let's wait for him to come and disprove this claim. Is that OK?

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Very well, although I doubt he will bother and if I were him I would not either.

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

ono:
Good points for the most parts. Well done!

But the statement in bold appears to not apply to the adherents of Islam, what say you?

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It is a pity that there is much that is very backward about this religion. And more so since it once experienced a golden age when it was the leading light of much advanced thought in the world.

Sadly it has been unable to shake off the tendency towards misogyny/ gender apartheid as well as a very violent streak which is taken straight from the pages of its scripture. The insistence on dictating what women wear in many Islamic countries, and the fact that in a place like Saudi Arabia until very very recently they were even denied the right to drive, is very telling. Many women in these theocratic places cannot even travel or move at all without permission from a male, what is that?

Beyond that look at the application of Shariah law in Northern Nigeria. It has been used to lock up several non Muslims for years - for alleged blasphemy in a supposedly secular country with constitutional freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, conscience and religion? Look at the gruesome murder of Deborah, a Christian student in Northern Nigeria by a Muslim mob. Those who did it were on camera and they went scot free, even the governor justified it.

The truth is that this religion has an explicit creeping doctrine in which it seeks the total subjugation of the world to Islamic tenets. And in this they are specifically guided to appear moderate and gentle when in the minority but to become belligerent when in the majority. This is where the practice of Taqiyya often comes in. Telling lies to defend oneself and to defend Islam when in a weak position. But once they are in the majority, no one can truly be safe in terms of the rights we understand to be standard in the modern world.

Look at the practice of honor killing for example. What can we say of that.

There is too much that Islam has not evolved past and frankly it is still dwelling in the medieval world.

ono:
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You said he came out openly with his full chest. Why are you now sending quotes from a bemeruca who I already saw made that accusation ad infinitum ad nauseum?