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TV01:
By now it's clear that you do not come here to discuss or debate in any way that could be considered honest. It's a handful of clichés and cookie cutter narratives, outside of which there is very little evidence of any meaningful content.

I wrote on this very topic, on this same thread, not that long ago. In response to a claim you made,
https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/5556#137573719

Firstly, Christianity has not "evolved". It remains exactly the same - unchanging. It's the NT. Anything that could be considered a moral stricture from the OT will be contained in the NT.

Secondly, the NT does not teach that "slaves should obey their masters" without context. I explained it all in that post. That is not an endorsement, it is the most effective way to deal with the situation at that time.

In due course, Christians arose to effectively end slavery in all lands they controlled or could significantly influence - even going to war and dying to abolish it.

Slavery was legal at the advent of Christianity. A slave could not leave his master any more than a legionnaire could self-discharge from the Roman Army. That would result in death, painful death.

Christianity had no army, no political power, no meaningful social influence, nothing. It was Paul a renegade and outcast Jew and a few followers. If he had instructed all slaves who believed to declare themselves free and refuse to obey their masters, that would be their death warrant - if they could survive the initial torture that would follow any such declaration.

The NT is clear
Too slaves - Continue to obey your masters, but if you can be made free do so (all free and slave are Christ bondsmen, brought at a price)
Too slave owners - the book of Philemon, where a slave owner is exhorted to free his slave and receive him as a brother - and not by compulsion, as Christianity has that transformative effect.

Being clichéd or sounding a bit cookie is passable, but your utterance on Christianity and slavery reveal something I suspected, but didn't really want to believe.


TV

^{@ono, please stop saying Christianity has evolved. Thanks.}

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Vacant BS. Nothing schooled enough to respond to.

bayelsaowei:
Desperately rig the mid terms for a start, which he is already cooking.

Secondly, Push for a third term.

Na m-ád man.

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Rigging ain't easy.

I hope he will be removed by a Dem led Congress next year.

musicwriter:
Culture is condensed language and beliefs.

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It is more than this.

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2RightHands1Coc:
I can't debate with you,You've got your mind made up and a mind is a terrible thing to Lose

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I wish you had one.

bayelsaowei:
Because Trump is yet to do worst and most vile thing yet, for which they must shamelessly support and defend.

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What do you think it will be?

raumdeuter:
The difference that people living under a King are protesting about No Kings to a country with No king

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Daft

2RightHands1Coc:
You all just keep repeating the same cliche all the time ,Let me advise you Man,Get off that Bandwagon

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If you can give me sound reasons, why not. But you know you cant.
Let me advise you boy/.. . stop worshipping a racist, a rapist and a PDFILE.

raumdeuter:
People living in UK and Spain join a No Kings protest against Trump while living under a King

Liberals are not normal people they are insane

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I am sure you know the difference . . . . oh scratch that, I forgot no school.

2RightHands1Coc:
You obviously don't know what attributes mean .BYE

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Lol. Another brainwashed Trumpist and self hating lover of white supremacist racists.

cococandy:
He finds every opportunity to tell them what they truly are and I love it for them 🤣

How dem wan take swallow their shame and say they no longer support him? That ship has long sailed. They’ll stick with it even if it embarrasses them to death.

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GBAM!

bemeruca:
Lmao, you people don't care about outrageous things. Keep that sentiment to yourself.

Trump jokes you cry

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LLHN

2RightHands1Coc:
You don't even know what Trash is. English is your second language so it's not a problem. Anyway admit you are a Trump Hater nobody will beat you

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English is not my second language and i certainly can recognize trash when i see it. I am responding to a person who is just that right now.

And whats wrong about hating a murderer, pathological liar, pdfile, con artist, to mention a few of his attributes?

bemeruca:
You are crying about a joke 😂😂

Goodlawd

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Even when he says the most outrageous things y'all will claim one excuse or the other. Are you not the comedian who said his posting the Obamas as apes is not racist?

No sane person can ever respect you after that statement.

ono:
I find it hard to believe that you liberals -many of you professing Christians, you know all these things YET, you blindly enable policies, manipulate laws, encourage the immigration of these "primitive" people into the West. Imagine someone, a professor in her own right, still preaching these archaic, devilish teachings in this day and age, even getting an account on X! Isn't this the suicidal things about the West that me, Bas, Raum, Benalvi, and Bemeruca we are all about on this board?

What will it take for us to point the folly in all you leftist guys that what you are doing will destroy what we cherish, that we were brought up with, that shaped us and shaped Western Civilisation from the destructive path you guys tow? What?? Look at buda. What can one do to help her?

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I find it dumbfounding that many of your people who profess Christianity worship the basest and lowest vagabond in history.

2RightHands1Coc:
Just say you Hate the Man ,All this Allegations. Just take the hater tag man. Damn

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Just say you love and worship trash.

MissOpe:
Realest human i have ever seen...

So real that he doesnt give a F about his status...

He doesnt care about human validation.....
Doesnt box himself into societal expectations of him.....

So blunt and upfront that he gives his enemies sleepless night......yet he was and is the most powerful person on earth

Ride on Trump...I Ope dey your back die

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Listening to you one would think he was an honest man. When he is in fact the greatest and most pathological liar and con artist in history.

ono:
Deep_blind (won't call you DeepSight), the difference between Christianity and Islam is that while you have Islamists - like the professor bas quoted up there still preaching and admonishing their adherents to follow 7th century "teachings", Christianity has evolved over the years to do away with all you have quoted from the Old Testament.

You will never see a "Christian Professor" teaching people to do anything slavery in the 21st Century! Now, if you don't have anything meaningful things to share, please back off!

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I agree with you, Christianity certainly does not teach these things and has evolved. I was only pointing out the fact that these are contained in the OT as well.

I may well add that the NT preaches that slaves should obey their masters. thereby endorsing slavery. But as you said, it has evolved.

Islam remains significantly backward in many places.

raumdeuter:
Logic makes your mind shut down. Thats a problem with upbringing and education

Its been a failure of previous Republican and Democratic president to address the Iran issue especially Obama who sent them money which they in return distributed to their proxies to make the US less safe

Now Iran has missiles that can reach 4000km, they have advanced their enrichment programs while expanding their proxy networks

International policies is not for s00y boyz

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Obama did not send them money. He returned their own money to them under an agreement and terms.
Go school, you no go gree.

basilico:
For those who say I hate Islam.
I learn about Islam from what their clerics preach or what their scholars say , not from what someone here who has studied the Quran says.
This one is not taken out of context,as the excuses always go "provide full context ,blah blah"

Flashback: An Egyptian professor from Al-Azhar University appeared on TV to lecture the world’s “Islamophobes,” about the right of Muslim men as superior human beings to kidnap and enslave non-Muslim women and girls in order to rape them. She says the non-Muslim women and girls… pic.twitter.com/IUql5swJWU

— Liza Rosen (@LizaRosen0000) January 26, 2025

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To be clear there are similar teachings in the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 21:10–14
"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou thou hast humbled her."

Numbers 31:15–18
"And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Deuteronomy 20:13–14
"And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee."

Judges 21:20–23
"Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.

Image123:
It's your turn as opposition, remember? It's not APC's job to strategize or complain for opposition. If the strategy works for you, use it. Someone once promised air conditioning on the streets.

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No shame.

WizardofNG, Image123, Seunmsg, Richtaiwo.

triplechoice:
You replied with "uncreated divinity", followed by a question mark. That does not answer the questions I asked

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With a question mark to indicate that I am not certain either.

If your answer is "uncreated divinity" (which is not the same as the "base reality" you started with). you still haven't explained what that is; how it relates to simulation, or why it should be called a simulation.

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Why would it be different from base reality?

"Simulation", "real", and "unreal" are human labels we apply to our perceptions. Ultimate reality, divine consciousness, would not perceive things the way we do. So even if we accept that something uncreated exists, ( It exist) it does not automatically mean this world is a simulation of it. It only means we have a certain perception, and perception, as they say, is not reality..

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Indeed perception is only cognitive reality.

triplechoice:
What are they simulating?

Uncreated divinity?

triplechoice:
I think you misunderstand Lordreed. From my past interactions with him, I know he is open -minded enough to listen to any alternative explanation outside the sciences, as long as it makes sense and can be supported by some evidence, which doesn't have to be scientific evidence.

At the beginning of this conversation, he repeatedly asked you and the other person, "How do you know" . The question signified that he was willing to consider any other explanation you could provide . He didn't demand scientific evidence , he only asked a simple question which you replied to with the culled extract you provided ,which didn't prove anything.


I have discussed the soul, reincarnation and OBE on this forum., and each time, I have issued a disclaimer that they find no scientific support in the sciences or among mainstream scientists, but does not mean they are not true.

I sense you are hesitant to confidently discuss what you know for fear of being labelled gullible for believing in woo -woo stuff by those who easily dismiss anything not supported by mainstream scientists. This shouldn't be.

If you have a method share it. If you have a direct experience , describe it , and let the evidence speak for itself. Anyone who would dismiss them without examination was never interested in any sincere conversation with you.


Not t every truth in the world is scientifically explained. Most people don't know this. The placebo effect, for instance, is used in drug testting and is true , yet it is not scientifically proven. It can be rationally explained to some extent,but not as detailed as scientifically proven truth. Scientists don't know what causes the placebo effect.

Not being able to put it into words is your own difficulty, not proof it cannot be done. Even Juju, as mysterious as it is , can be rationally explained, how much more the soul, which so many people have directly experienced

I wish you would reply me. You hardly reply to me, and don't know why. If you did I would prove that those things you claim cannot be put into words are, in fact, easily explained

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My dear triplechoice. Know that I do not ignore your posts. This particular subject is a difficult one and thats why I have tarried in terms of moving it forward even with Reed. I still hope to do so.

Also much of what you wrote in this thread concerned chieveboy and not me per se.

Let me say however that you are right in your sensing that I am hesitant to share some things. I know that the astral / ethereal worlds are real because I frequent them consciously. I know the process it took me to get to the stage where I can consciously and knowingly frequent those worlds which are just astride this physical world, in a manner of speaking, just beside it. I know how real those worlds are and I know that we all dwell in those worlds simultaneously with this world. Sadly this is not a thing one can ever prove to anyone until the person gets to experience it himself or herself at his or her own time if it is meant for him or her.

Sonnobax15:
. I wonder why this wicked act is very common among the female folks.

This is so inhumane and I hope the imo satet govt won't take it lightly with her..

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Some women have a terrible sadistic impulse towards children not of their womb who co habit with them. Especially where there is any possibility of competition with their children, however remote.

osazsky:
how many Israeli don die then compare it to Iran..if it's residential building been destroyed just ignore it cuz it would be erected within days the Jews are d richest in d world..I doubt if Israel has up to 50 casualties as at of now can't say same for Iran way they pursue 3000

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I hope you know Israel highly censors information regarding its casualties. I am not saying they would match Iran's but just keep this in mind.

Anyone who doesn't know this already is either asleep or an ethnic jingoist.

benalvino3:
There is nothing absurd in what I said. Even when the government allocates cash for a program, it is looted. The level of corruption is too much.

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I agree with that and it is a fact. My question is why can you only argue for your masters. Why can't you apportion blame in a balanced way?

We all know the level of corruption and manipulation the west exercises up till today in Africa. Why do you defend them one hundred per cent and only accuse us? Are you being paid, HN?

OriOko88:
US and Israel do not see this pezezkhan as a threat. If not he too would hv been sent to Al janah. Though iv never seen where the man condemned Israel or say death to America.

He's more a ceremonial president who doesn't hv any authority or influence in the muallah's rogue g8vt

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He is not ceremonial. The roles are just different.

Elusive001:
Bros leave propaganda alone.

What has Iran done to Israel so far?

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Either you are joking or you think only the life of Generals count.

benalvino3:
All the aids the US has been given were all looted. They should pay reparations

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This is an absurd argument.

In the first place it's a different matter.

In the second place neo colonialism extracts far more than any aid the west gives or has ever given. Just go and see what France has been taking from Francophone West Africa till date.

In the third place I still have to ask who appointed you lawyer for the West. Why are you fighting tooth and nail to argue their case. Why can't you at least argue a balanced case on both sides?

HN.

Kuuuuuuuuu. . . . . . .