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benalvino3:
Oga, why should brits fight and kill themselves when they can settle with cash? That's common sense.

The Americans fought and killed themselves.

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Not a problem, I mentioned a second part. If you settle the oppressors with cash, you should also settle the victims. That would be consistent with logic since you abolished it on the recognition of its barbarism and inhumanity and also for the fact that you profited massively from their blood and sweat.

benalvino3:
You’re confusing lack of surviving documentation with lack of institutional structure.

W. African and trans-Saharan systems did not produce or preserve records in the same volume or format as European Atlantic systems, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t state organized.
Mali and Songhai empires taxed trade, regulated routes, and controlled commerce across the Sahara. That is institutional involvement even if it wasn’t recorded through corporations, insurance contracts, and shipping manifests like the trans-Atlantic system.

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I told you from the onset that part of the reason is records. Didn't you get that. I said that is part of the reason that people today will focus on the Trans Atlantic.

I also mentioned timeline.

A thousand years ago was a different universe. The Trans Atlantic is closer in time and in civilizational continuity.

basilico:
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Should Africans whose ancestors were enslaved pay the British for stopping the trade. If it wasn't stopped we could still be slaves.
Should Arabs pay Africans.
Or have we moved on,no need to dwell on the past injusticea which will never reoccur

BTW, All this is in jest.

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The only reason I have an issue with reparations is that it will be far too complex and well nigh impossible to determine who should get what.

benalvino3:
What's right is paying to free the slaves. When abolition is forced without compromise, it can lead to massive violence. I already mentioned the American Civil War. Britain chose to pay to end slavery quickly and avoid that scale of destruction.

Why do you have problem with that?

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Once you recognise something as barbaric and inhuman you should not compensate for it. And if you do, you should also compensate the victims through whose blood and sweat unspeakable wealth was derived for you. That is what is fair.

LordReed:
I don't really understand why a dead body would make you think life is fake given what we know about life. A dead body behaves exactly how it should under the circumstances. If it behaved differently, I'd have understood but it doesn't. Even if it was a program why would the programmers let you think that it was a sign of life being a program? That to me is a sign it isn't a program/simulation or else they'll just programmed that thought away. Which leads to your mention of our easily manipulated perceptions. If there was some shadowy behind the scenes manipulation going on, why are they leaving you with such thoughts? Why haven't they easily manipulated away your perception of this universe as a simulation?

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My dear brother and friend.

You see, one thing I have noticed about you is that hard physical science is always required to convince you of anything. While understandable and even praise worthy in some instances, it is severely limiting because there is so much more to our experience of this reality than physical science can cover or account for. If we were limited to what physical science can account for, we would all be vastly poorer for it.

This factor has often stumped me in conversations with you because I struggle to put in words of physical science things that actually don't belong there. Things that belong in the meta physical, the spiritual and the experiential.

But think about death. Really really think about it. The challenge we have is that you see the body and the individual as one and the same. I know very well they are not the same. One is a vehicle or tool for the other. A covering for the other.

But think about it. The human beings you relate with on a daily basis are much more than flesh and blood. The faces you see are just that, masks. We have gone through this extensively on the Mind and Matter thread and arrived at no agreement so I will not bother to rehash it here.

I will only say that death presents us with the chance to see that this machine can be stopped. That it can be switched off. And that infers a measure of limitation to its function. The very fact that it can cease to experience a reality which is still going on while it has ceased tells us that it is only part of a wider programme and operation, a piece which can be taken out of that program and operation, unplugged, so to speak. And when unplugged we can see it in all its worthlessness - static and unalive on a true sense because it is unplugged from the ongoing operation. With reflection, this tells us that it was only a tool being used for a partial and particular experience of a larger program or operation and it can exhaust its time, its energy or even its usefulness. There is something inherently made up and artificial about that. An original thing would be one and the same with the operation, and incapable of being "unplugged" from it in such a manner.

In short, it would be incapable of death.

I know this will not resonate with you but it is very hard to put into the scientific words you prefer and insist on. Because it is not a matter of physical science as I said.

Moving on to the fact that it is possible to manipulate our perception.

This is an even bigger proof and it is closer to science. Dwell on it carefully.

1. What we perceive is even a limited and selected range of what is around us. We only perceive based on the capabilities fixed in our physical bodies, we see a very very very small spectrum of what is around us, we feel, smell and hear only a tiny portion as well. This is scientific fact as you know.

2. And yet the little that we perceive can easily be changed! One mushroom, one narcotic and you would be seeing and feeling completely different things! In fact your brain can be manipulated by any amount of methods including chemical methods such that you completely see or hear totally different things and even things that are supposedly non existent! This is extremely telling and demonstrates that the entire experience is changeable and this fact alone severely undermines the reality of everything. It shows that the whole thing could be and likely is a show, a sham and made up. The very fact that you can hallucinate proves this.

Let me not forget to add that I am still not asserting all the above as definite facts. This life is way too mysterious for me to do that. All I am doing is trying to let you see that many things may be possible and we cannot be limited enough to rule out much.

It is entirely possible that your life is a dream and you wake up at death on a bed somewhere else where you have been napping for just a short time and that nap was this life.

PS: Did you ever watch the movie Inception? A dream within a dream within a dream?

And have you ever had a dream and woken up to find that you were dreaming? Then woken up again to find that you were dreaming that you were dreaming and woke up?

benalvino3:
BS on the bold.
the Trans-Saharan trade was the institutional foundation of West African statehood for nearly a millennium.

It was organized and institutional just differently conducted through established trade routes across the Sahara.

It was controlled by states and empires, such like
Mali Empire, Songhai Empire Kanem-Bornu Empire etc. Integrated into Islamic commercial networks
Regulated by laws, taxation, and customs systems
caravans were organized, financed, and protected. Its is not some pirates of the Carribean BS you are implying

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Pls show me the corporation's involved. The lists and records of slaves and slavers, the records of transactions. The state to state records of diplomacy governing the trade. The records are simply not there or at worst so barely that you can never compare such records to that of the Trans Atlantic and thus you can never say that the institutional involvement was comparable. This is the point.

benalvino3:
If African did not refuse why did Britain bombed Lagos and forced chiefs to sign the treaty?

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What treaty?

They do guns buy back too. Americans fought a civil war over it. Britain paid to free the slaves. I don't get you people sometimes.

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So you feel it was right for slavers to be compensated but not slaves. Are you aware that Britain only finished paying in 2015?

basilico:
Arabs were interested in overpopulating their harems. Harem is an Arabic word,another "good" contribution from Muslims to humanity.
You've seen Boko Haram and ISIS do this too. Capturing and selling slaves especially women
Has a lot to do with Islamic teachings if you must know.
Men were castrated to prevent them reproducing the black offspring , they were also sexually abused.
Millions and millions of slaves taken in by Arabs than those who went to be today's black Americans.
BTW Obama your god, is no byproduct of slavery.

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I know all this.

As per Obama, so what?

GracieX3:
Was it Africans refusing to stop slavery?

What is this one writing?

Are you aware that slave owners got reparations in America?

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Benalvino3 will not avert his mind to this. Not only were slave owners compensated but the cost was so huge that Britain only paid off the debt in 2015.

benalvino3:
Lmao, haven't you been following my post or you are being dishonest. My anger is Ghana wanting reparation for product they manufactured and sold. They want reparation from the buyers, a specific kind of buyers while they kept quiet on buys from the Trans Saharan part.

My main issue is that they are rating the atrocities instead of saying we all did this it's bad. They singled out the transatlantic, mainly US and Britain, countries that bombed them to stop slavery.

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Interesting.

The timeline of the Trans Saharan is problematic. We are talking about from about a thousand years ago and much of that was East Africa also. That timeline creates a situation in which it is hard to press the issue because in the first place there were little to no records unlike the Trans Atlantic trade which was meticulously recorded and in the second place institutions didn't or barely existed.

As regards institutionalisation let me make this clear. The Trans Atlantic trade was conducted at an institutional level. States were involved and international corporations were involved. Insurance companies were involved. At the local level kingdoms were involved. So this was a highly organised institutional and industrial scale operation.

You cannot say anywhere near the same thing about the Trans Saharan trade which was more like a rogue pirate operation.

benalvino3:
Nathan Nunn 2008

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https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-abstract/123/1/139/1889789

Interesting that even this abstract shows a co relation between slavery and the economic performance of African countries today. This might interest TV01.

I still haven't seen where it says Trans Saharan exceeded Trans Atlantic

benalvino3:
Nathan Nunn 2008

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Be specific. Link, or work and pages etc.

benalvino3:
His point is that while everyone wants to condemn the slave trade, their involvement was modest, and they joined Britain to fight to abolish slavery. They had a civil war to free the slaves, and they granted slaves citizenship, while many countries sent their slaves away.

The moment they say slavery, the US comes into people's minds because of how they have demonized them.

Brits had to go to war with other European countries, bomb Lagos, etc. To force the stop of slavery.

1 in 5 of their Navy sailors died from the fighting and malaria. I don't know why black people always play victim and run away from responsibilities. You guys always come off as US vs THEM all the time. It's a bit like how racist white men behave.

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It's sick th way you try to whitewash the slave masters. Even if we agree that black people had co responsibility why would you consistently try to exonerate whites completely? Why?

VOsimhen144:
The day politicians and private owners begin to see Nigeria as their TRUE home, that's the day Nigeria will be a better place.

Black skin is a curse. I regret the day I was born as a black man, I wish I was a white guy. Even the white Africans among us (morroco, Egypt etc) are doing far better then we the real Africans. Why? Why?

In 2026 we are still crying to the government for Ordinary stable electricity, bad roads everywhere, etc..

Is not as if there is no money to get these amenities done. the money is just looted and embezzled everyday for personal use.

Black skin is cursed with greed and selfishness.

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It's nothing to do with the colour of your skin.

benalvino3:
NSA and Mossad have backdoor to Apple by the way and Apple can't do anything about it because they don't know the exploit

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I recall an instance some years ago when even the NSA had difficulty breaking into an Apple phone.

I think they eventually did but it wasn't easy at all.

benalvino3:
Actually it did. More people overtime spread into Millennium. Their focus was women while transantlantic main focus were men.

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Sources pls.

Kukutente23:
PDP convention where they'll sing on your mandate
Even yarimo will attend

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I can't stop shaking my head each time I consider the absurdity of a Wike who has sworn loyalty to BAT leading the PDP.

benalvino3:
Becuase it is classified as Trans-Saharan

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Your map shows red sea and I can understand that.

But anyway I get the point. It's fair to say since people were taken from places like Tanzania and Zanzibar (beautiful place!) by Arabs across the Indian.

Nonetheless it is not true that the Trans Saharan trade took more people. Lasted longer yes, but more people, no.

basilico:
And most of those trans Atlantic went to work in Brazil. America got apptox 400K . Sucks?

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The point being?

benalvino3:
Trans-Saharan, Red Sea, and Indian Ocean are estimated to be 17 to 18 million. And slavery in this region is still going on to date.

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Why are you adding routes. Since when did Indian Ocean become Trans Saharan?

raumdeuter:
Did you complete High School or secondary school

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How dare you utter such words to your dark master.

Now, I command you, be turned into into duck-billed platypus.

SQLmastar:
Is the Op related to Suen Owesa? How come there are no comments to this post, yet it made the front page?

At the OP, this life is spiritual. You need to align yourself with the elements of life, else you will derail till eternity. Come to me DM, and I'll give you a bathing soap for success.

1. Gave Osimhen his soap when he turned 19 and look how he is thriving...
2. I gave Wizkid a leaf soap, mixed in cat urine, now he is a star.
3. I even prayed for Elon Musk when he was a mere millionaire; now look where he is.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahha!

raumdeuter:
Yes I did, Now I will ask the same thing from you

Did you complete High School or secondary school

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Will you kneel down and raise up your hands at once!

Now where was that secondary school, and did it have a library and clean toilets?

raumdeuter:
Sound bites are great but they are not thought out policies until you are asked to show how you will implement it sustainably given the conditions

Free meals for Under 12 sounds great then they ask you how do you fund it sustainably. More govt spending which comes from taxpayers, Are you willing to pay more taxes for this. Then it dawns on them

Obamacare same thing, How do you fund it. Like we have seen with Obamacare, the premium kept rising and needed more govt subsidies. Where do govt subsidies come from? Taxes, are you willing to pay more? Then the light bulb goes off

Epstein file is not a policy. I am sure you know what policies are. Or what was the last Democratic policy on Epstein file?

Defund ICE, Great, then what happens to illegals who try to enter the country. Which body will stop an enforce border laws. Or should we remove all border laws regarding entering the country illegally? Should we have a limit on all who enter or anyone who wants to enter should be allowed? Thats when the reality hits

Its at this point that they start seeing the foolishness in the policy they support and they turn it into I just support the Democrats

A party getting trashed is nothing new, Almost every sitting presidents party get trashed n mid terms dating back 100yrs

If you have been paying attention long enough you will know this or be familiar with the 2010 shellacking of Obama

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Did you complete high / secondary school?

raumdeuter:
So fame is what determines what is bad or worse?
Trans Saharan slave trade started 1000 yrs before trans atlantic, Trans Saharan slave trade is still going on till today

But you are more concerned about the one which is famous, not the ne which has taken more people, gone on for longer and still going on today

bemeruca are you sure its still 1 or 2. Ignorance or mischief

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Trans Saharan lasted much longer but is generally agreed to have taken less people overall. Estimates range between six and ten million while Trans Atlantic was over 12 million confirmed.

Patel is among the most despicable hypocrites in the Trump regime, along with Bondi and Hegseth. Thank heavens we have seen the back of Noem.

PHIPEX:
What is the population of Iran again?

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92 Million.

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nairalanda1:
Buhari inherited an economy that was already failing in quote for several months.

In 2014, March, oil prices started falling. People who had seen the same story before in 1982, began nodding their heads like agama agama. By January 2015, NOI was prophesying that the economy would be bad, regardless of who won.

So, yes GEJ handed over a bad economy to buhari. Na high oil price he dey use to hide the cracks.

The problem with Buhari and tinubu is that instead of using hard times to shine, dem come dey do borrow borrow to maintain what we had when oil prices were high, because the sane decisions they needed to take to pull us out of danger, they no take because they preferred to be in power rather than do the hard decisions to leave Nigeria a good leagacy

All of our leaders are the same.

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You completely lack any iota of shame.

ReubenE:
That undisputed title belongs to Ijaw people
No try am.
Ijaw people bear anything and everything as name whether in English or in the native language. You'll hear:

Lagos
Urban
Asset
Fullpower
Goodhead
Machine
Nigeria
Ghana
Aeroplane
Government
Famous
Accra
Navy
Light
New-world
Newman
Dijay
Barbar
Welcome
Christmas
London
Money
Honour
Captain
Jerusalem
Think-of-me
Water-owei
Courtkiri - (Courtyard) Ijaw people have names that Ijaw and English is joined together. They can add "ere" and "owei" to the end of any English name they want to identify female and male.


It is endless

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Even I who know of someone called Appeal Court (Apili for short) am amazed at your list. Surely you are joking about Aeroplane ✈️

VOsimhen144:
Let me tell you the future of Lagos state.

Former Gov. Akinwummi Ambode is coming back to finish his 2nd term.

Then, Seyi Tinubu will become the governor of Lagos immediately Ambode finishes his second term.

This I have seen.

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Nothing for Hamzat?

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