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basilico:
One of these fine days I'll send you the address of a former classmate of mine in California. Last I checked she was doing a Masters in Law and a PhD in nursing..
She might convince you I'm not evil

Evil, perhaps not.
But stupid, yes.

bemeruca:
Lol,

You can't tell the difference between an apple and orange

And you , who will compare a Singapore that is a single city, and one quarter the population of Lagos to Nigeria that is over three hundred ethnicities and over two hundred million people, you can tell the difference between an apple and an orange?

basilico:
Still has a long way to go
This is you. Catch someone on something and your freeze your argument on that.

I also sided with TV01. Africans haven't proven their worth ,if left to our own devices we fill our stomachs first.

Time is everything. It simply means you would have said the same of Brits and Germans at some point.

raumdeuter:
They dont need to mirror England just mirror Malaysia Singapore those countries who got independence around the same time

Apples for apples child. Apples for apples.
Singapore is a single city. Its population is one quarter that of Lagos.

Nigeria is a complex 250 million peopled behemoth with over three hundred different ethnicities!

The potential for strife and conflict alone speaks!

Think, man, think!

Stop acting as though different circumstances count for nothing in life!

basilico:
Botswana metrics are way better than every other African nation..Reliable
Water 96% , electricity 83% ,$8000 per Capita income.
(Add Tebogo an Olympics sprints gold medalist, world lead 2026, beat Usain bolt record too)

.Yea and it is an example of a country doing very well which puts a lie to everything TV01 says to the effect that black Africans cannot grow positively.

bemeruca:
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc.

Make excuses and constraints all you want o 😂

It does not explain why Nigeria could not maintain water boards and electricity.

And see how he just robbed the Palestinians off their imaginary land and state 😂😂

You really have to realize that you can't compare apples with oranges.

Palestinian land is imaginary? Lol.

bemeruca:
Israel

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DeepSight:
Very bad argument. In the case of Israel you are actually talking about a nation that was simply in diaspora for two millenia and lived right in the midst of Europe and in fact were part of Europe in every sense.

TV01, note this, since you refer to Israel as well.

A nation consists of people. Land, animals and trees do not make a nation. And the development of a nation is carried in the minds of people.

That is why today if you take people from Europe and plant them in an empty fertile parcel of land, they will replicate Europe there.

In fact this is what happened with America.

Comprehende?

Israel is a terrible example for the above reasons, but aside from this, it actually already existed as a full Kingdom 3000 years ago.

basilico:
I remember,but you can't keep saying 60 years, climate, Sahara desert.
Investigate planned Parenthood on the plight of Black American economically. I know you can do a thorough job on that.
I should block you until I see your take on planned Parenthood.
Let's move on to that now.

Sir, sixty years is not enough, in addition to myriad other factors.

And saying this does not take away our responsibility for our state of affairs.

In fact I throw this challenge to everyone who has been yapping black African countries.

Show me one developed nation that is only sixty six years old.

And no, Israel is not an example, neither are those tiny homogenous wealthy states such as Singapore, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, etc. Because the dynamics are too different.

basilico:
It's a people mindset not necessarily the wealth beneath .
When you say we are only 60 years old ,nothing tangible can emerge with that mindset.
How about Korea? Were they living in Europe.

For heavens sake I wrote the 2nd book of DeepSight to the Basilicains on the matter of Korea which you raised. It was what prompted my treaty. Have you forgotten everything I wrote?

bemeruca:
It seems you don’t know anything about building, project delivery, or management.

Nations do not develop by normalizing failure and calling it growth cycle.

Development starts with vision, planning, standards, maintenance, accountability, and execution. You are trying to make excuses for failure by comparing nations to children and teenagers.

Even your England example is nonsense.

Some buildings and infrastructure in the UK are centuries old and still functioning because when they were built properly according to the technology and standards of the era they were built, and they were maintained till date.

The concept. Is called continuous development.

That is the point you keep running from.

We are not asking a 60y old nation to magically become a 1000y old nation overnight. We are asking why, after 60 years, we still cannot maintain basic water boards, electricity, roads, schools, hospitals, and public systems.

A teenager may not have the wisdom of an elder, but even a teenager is expected to grow, learn, take responsibility, and stop repeating the same foolish mistakes. If a 60y old nation is still blaming childhood for every failure, then the problem is not age.

The problem is leadership, institutions, culture, corruption, bad choices, and lack of accountability.

You are not explaining development. You are romanticizing failure.

Nonsense.

Sixty years is not one thousand years.

Think for heavens sake, think!

England example is nonsense?

Don't come back tomorrow and take it back and be too dense to see you have taken it back oh.

I asked you a question before which you evaded.

Show me one developed nation that is only sixty years old.

If you can, I surrender.

If you can't, you are talking trash.

basilico:
How about Israel? A nation forged in 1948, 12 years before Nigeria.
In 12: years we should where Israel is today, 300 litters of water per person per day, $200 billion in reserves, installed 24GW capacity of electricity,etc ??

We should be planning how to achieve such kind of metrics . That's the argument we have put forth last few weeks ,but you are still making excuses .

Very bad argument. In the case of Israel you are actually talking about a nation that was simply in diaspora for two millenia and lived right in the midst of Europe and in fact were part of Europe in every sense.

TV01, note this, since you refer to Israel as well.

A nation consists of people. Land, animals and trees do not make a nation. And the development of a nation is carried in the minds of people.

That is why today if you take people from Europe and plant them in an empty fertile parcel of land, they will replicate Europe there.

In fact this is what happened with America.

Comprehende?

raumdeuter:
Excuses excuses and more excuses

Half of Africa is in one form of conflict or another whether its Sudan Congo Mali Nigeria Chad Niger

How hard is it for anyone to understand that the life cycle of a human being is not the life cycle of nations? Nations grow and develop over far longer stretches of time.

How hard is it for anyone to understand that a child must make the mistakes of children, an adolescent must have the impulsiveness of adolescents. Why can you not get this into your head. How do you want a 60 year old nation to mirror an England that is over one thousand years old? How do you want a teenager to be the same as an elder?

How are these normal cycles of growth suddenly incomprehensible?

How hard is it for anyone to understand that the life cycle of a human being is not the life cycle of nations? Nations grow and develop over far longer stretches of time.

How hard is it for anyone to understand that a child must make the mistakes of children, an adolescent must have the impulsiveness of adolescents. Why, bemeruca can you not get this into your head. How do you want a 60 year old nation to mirror an England that is over one thousand years old? How do you want a teenager to be the same as an elder?

How are these normal cycles of growth suddenly incomprehensible?

bemeruca:
You cannot be helped.

Goodlawd.

Abeg shift.

Kushites:
SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING RUBBISH.

THE FEDERAL BUDGETARY ALLOCATION TO THE STATES HAS MORE THAN QUADRUPLED, AND THEY ARE ALL CONSTRUCTION SITES NOW, FROM ENUGU TO KADUNA TO SOKOTO TO DELTA.

Why did you leave out the biggest project? N15 Trillion Coastal Road project which was not appropriated, which had no public tender and which did not go through the Bureau of Procurement rules, and which was awarded to an international criminal, Chagoury, who has the son of the president sitting on at least of one his boards?

Sure if you remove subsidies and float the naira, allocations go up but so do prices and so that is cancelled out.

It's like you had one hundred naira before and it could buy one car. And you now have four hundred but that's now the price of the same car.

Kushites:
SHUT UP THERE.

EVERY COUNTRY BORROWS MONEY.

THE AMERICA YOU WORSHIP IS THE WORLD'S LARGEST DEBTOR NATION, OWING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, INCLUDING 3 TRILLION TO CHINA.

AMERICA HAS AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF $7 TRILLION.

BUT STILL BORROWS HEAVILY.

BUT NIGERIA WITH AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF $40 BILLION FOR ALMOST THE SAME POPULATION AS AMERICA, WHEN THE PRESIDENT BORROWS TO BUILD THE COUNTRY, YOU START BLABBING RUBBISH.

HOW DO YOU WANT TO DEVELOP?

BY MAGIC?

ABRACADABRA?

NONSENSE!

The problem is that he borrows to steal, not to build any country.

TV01:
Oga, I am not just small, but miniscule . I am the runt of the family litter, and my family is barely noteworthy in our hamlet .

Please stop strawmanning and artfully tapping out. The question was never about "blacK achievement". It was as follows;

What will Nigeria et al (most African, Arab and Asian people groups) do to shift their cultural milieu to enable full sustainable modern societies

I maintain, I don't personally see anything to suggest they will. If your position is tenable, it should be easy to articulate - regardless of what anyone else thinks or says. I know you hope, but you do not see. As the Bible says, "one does not hope for what one sees"

The floor is yours.


TV

Oh, you have added Arabs and Asians to it?

Interesting.

As for progress, its the inevitable direction of the whole world at this stage, no matter how some parts may struggle and stumble along the way. A certain stage has been reached whereby it's really just a matter of everything permeating to the furthest reaches. It's unstoppable at this point. That you can look at it and practically insist that virtually all non white people will not be part of humanity's overall progress is alarming.

basilico:
Any example of something I posted that was proven wrong.

Many conspiracy theories have not been proven wrong. It is hard to prove that the elite are NOT lizards for example.

basilico:
cococandy.
You never responded to this.

https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/6114#139464104

history lesson for today.

I showed how all Jews in neighbouring Israel were chased away or fled to a man leaving all their properties behind. Most were business people, the Muslims forbade them from owning land then. To this day those Arab countries never returned that wealth , running into hundreds of billions today.
The Arabs who are now called Palestinians were told by invading Arab armies in 1947 to run away so that all Jews in present day could be driven to the sea ie exterminated which is nothing short of genocide.
They fled Israel to the neighbors, around 750,000 of them at most, very few of them alive today.
Their children are called refugees. In international relations successive generations of refugees are not refugees and supposed to be settled by the host countries.
Israel happily resettled all fleeing Jews from all corners of the world,including airlifting a black Jewish community from Ethiopia. Arabs. Said no to Palestinian resettling them. In recent wars Arabs won't resettle their Muslim brothers,it's left to America and Europe to give them a hope and new life .
Arab countries occupying 5.2 million square kilometers of land verses Israel 22,000 sq km could have safely given these people a home. Instead the UN established UNRWA which gave them permanent refugee status. Most of their staff in Gaza are either Hamas militants or support Hamas.
Neighbouring countries that hosted then like Jordan expelled all Palestinians. Reason. They wanted to overthrew the Jordanian king. They went to Lebanon where they caused more problems launching attacks after attacks into Israel and gave rise to Hezbollah.
Others went to Kuwait, when Saddam invaded it, the Palestinians supported Saddam. Kuwait expelled all of them.
This year Qatar expelled their Palestinians because they support Iran.

Palestinians are just an entitled people whose sole reason for existence is to exterminate every Jew. They were given back Gaza , voted for Hamas which immediately set about launching rockets , coming terrorist attacks in Israel whenever they got s chance. Instead of building Gaza , they built massive tunnel networks with the cement they got in aid. The naval blockade exists because Hamas interest was to smuggle weapons from Iran to kill Israelis. They smuggle weapons through tunnels between their border with Egypt. Egypt doesn't want these troublemakers. Egypt has built a multi layered fortified wall barrier along all it's boundary with Gaza. With cameras, armed guards and concertina.
The world berates Israel for it's security fence against Gaza ignoring this wall by Egypt below.

You dont know the history of this matter, worse you are not rational enough to understand it, and worst of all, you have racist beliefs which will at all events support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

bemeruca:
It is a shame that you and C lack basic comprehension.

I told you exactly what you would do: take my post in isolation, remove the context, and pretend I said something different. And that is exactly what you did.

You quoted this part:
My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.

But you deliberately ignored the two main BUTs in my argument:
But internal choices also matter. Leadership matters. Culture matters. Accountability matters. Family structure matters. Greed and selfishness matter. and the other.

That is the context.

My argument has never been that climate, history, colonialism, racism, or education have zero effect.

My argument is that they do not answer the present question of why many African countries are still badly governed, badly maintained, corrupt, tribalistic, and underdeveloped in 2026.

See through this example:
Gravity makes flight difficult, so gravity matters. We humans did not sit down and say, “gravity is a root factor, so flying is impossible.” We used intelligence, science, engineering, to build a mechanism to overcome it.

That is the point.
Climate may create difficulty, just like gravity creates difficulty. But serious societies respond with technology, planning, discipline, institutions, and accountability. Unserious societies turn every difficulty into an excuse.

Many of the climate barriers you are talking about had already been conquered by technology before most African countries gained independence.

You can continue to be ignorant and accept failure because you are normalizing it. Don't just cry when people look at Africa and call it a sheet ole.

If you knew they mattered, you would NOT have called them excuses - to the extent of mocking any mention of them.
As for progress, as with all societies, it doesn't happen overnight.

Rome was not built in a day, but since black men cant build their Rome in a day, they are useless, according to you lot.

Its not just that you attack everything black. It is how when the tables are turned, you defend everything white. That is what shows your colonial mentality and inferiority complex.

TV01 -

For your, concerning your darling Tommy Robinson

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYfBNQ3oQ_y/?igsh=MXhzMXpiOHh0MHp1bg==

GloriousGbola, this should concern you. I am sure the accuracy of the report can and will be challenged, but what is not in doubt is that despite the removals of several subsidies, the govt is still borrowing at a perplexing rate. This is something several senior economists have drawn attention to.

I know already all the story about debt to GDP ratio, but it's still very telling.

I hope you can fairly try to imagine what a future govt is likely to unveil about this govt.

Kushites:
WHY EXACTLY DOES THE SITUATION AMONG 50 MILLION BLACKS IN AMERICA DEFINE WHAT ''BLACK'' IS TO YOU?

DO YOU KNOW THE BLACK POPULATION OF THIS WORLD IS CLOSE TO 2 BILLION?

WHY NOT THE BLACKS IN BOTSWANA?

OR GABON?

OR LESOTHO?

OR IVORY COAST?

OR CAMEROON?

OR SENEGAL?

WHY ARE THE FAR GREATER NUMBERS OF BLACKS LIVING A 'NORMAL' EXISTENCE IGNORED BY YOU, ONLY TO FOCUS ON BLACK AMERICANS, AND THEN USE WHATEVER THEIR SITUATION IS TO LABEL OR DEFINE ''BLACK PEOPLE'' AND ''BLACK CULTURE''?

WHAT SORT OF STUPID NONSENSE IS THAT?

IF BLACKS ARE NATURALLY PRONE TO VIOLENCE, WHY ARE SENEGALESE NOT SLAUGHTERING EACH OTHER ON THE STREETS?

OR GHANAIANS?

OR MALAWIANS?

OR GRENADIANS, BARBADIANS, KENYANS, ZIMBABWEANS, UGANDANS?

THE FACT THAT BLACK AMERICANS HAVE PROBLEMS THAT ARE LARGELY UNIQUE TO THEM SHOULD TELL YOU, IF YOU HAD A WORKING BRAIN, THAT THEIR SITUATION IS STRUCTURAL AND ADAPTIVE, AND HAS A BIG FAT ZERO TO DO WITH THEIR ''SKIN COLOUR''.

IN COUNTRIES WITH A LONG HISTORY OF AGGRAVATED RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AND APARTHEID SUBJUGATION, YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND THE VICTIMISED POPULATION ACTING IN WAYS THAT DIFFER FROM THOSE WHO HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED SUCH A SITUATION.

EVEN LONG AFTER YOU'VE GRANTED THEM 'FREEDOM', WHICH IN ITSELF IS ALWAYS A RIGGED, IMBALANCED 'FREEDOM' THAT STILL CONFINES THEM TO THE LOWEST STATUS.

IT EXPLAINS WHY BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS ARE REPORTEDLY ''LAZY, DRUNKS, ETC ETC''.

ALWAYS THE SAME THING.

ALWAYS THE SAME POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER.

YOU ARE NOT FROM SUCH A SOCIETY, SO HUMBLE YOURSELF, KEEP QUIET, STOP LECTURING THEM, STOP FEELING RACIALLY INFERIOR, AND LEARN!

Dayum!

So so well written.

There is a gang of self hating Trumpists on this forum I have to cc with the hope that your lucid logic will get through to them.

cc: TV01, Tctrills, bemeruca, benalvino3, raumdeuter, basilico.

Further cc: (these do not belong to the above inverse racists: cococandy. LordReed, budaatum, ijebos, graciex3, bayelsaowei

So so well written bro!

bemeruca:
If they ask you to prove this you know you can't.
When you read or take information in isolation, you will never know the context of it.

I am in the mood -
Here you are. . .

bemeruca:
My point is still that education matters, history matters, racism matters, colonialism matters, institutions matter.

And these are the very things you spent pages denouncing as excuses. Abi you forgot to remove this from the AI draft?

I said -

DeepSight:
Retract this hideous lie immediately. You have been here shouting about how these things do not matter or even do not exist. You have laughed off history, you have played down the relevance of education, you have denied every allegation of the existence of any racism at all, you have denied that colonialism has had any role to play.

Stop trying to change the script, this is hideous dishonesty.

And Madam C added -

cococandy:
Are you seeing what I’m seeing? All of a sudden the things he calls excuses now matter?

Now history and colonialism matters? It hasn’t even been two pages back when he literally said they were excuses.

I can’t with them. It’s exhausting

So are you joking or what.

If anything this just proves what a waste of time engaging you is.

bemeruca:
If they ask you to prove this you know you can't.
When you read or take information in isolation, you will never know the context of it.

Lol. Don't worry, when I am in the mood I will scroll back and drop your quotes here.

Not for you. For posterity.

bemeruca:
When will you drop Jesus or Jehovah, since our colonizers also brought that along?

Do you benefit from Jesus, Jehovah, the Bible, and the Gospel, or are they automatically bad because they came through colonial history?

You know better, don't argue for the sake of it like Deepsight.

I am not the one who spent forever shouting "excuses!" only to come here and admit that the said excuses matter and then remain daft enough to fail to see that I have ceded the entire debate.

bemeruca:
You should be shouting this to DeepSight, not me.

I am not disputing this at all.

You need to come up with your own magic answers

RodgersAkpafu:
Coonery of the highest order is what we get from these lot

Imagine arguing that speaking the language of a coloniser is a benefit.

these fellows are tripping

Honestly TV01 is the most comical of the lot. Only he has ever argued that blacks have never achieved anything and also never will.

The guy baffles me because he doesn't know how small he is.

TV01:
All of these have been conquered by mankind. They are no longer limiting factors - stop with the excuses bro'


How do you know? Do you imagine "much of white\middle America" care or obsess about BO . And on what basis. If they found a black presidency objectionable, they have their votes. Wyy do northern Nigerians find a non-northern presidency objectionable. Or Nigerians more generally an Igbo one? Please take the advice from my previous response - what ails you requires attention!

No grounds for hatred here sir. Race is not a lead indicator or reference for me. All men are crested the image of God, and all came from one blood.

Some have developed backward and regressive cultures. I say it like it is. You can reference a far-away, unrelated past, and point to an unfathomable distant future. But can't make sense of the present.

If I said "what" at work, but could answer the "how" and "when", I'd be sacked. Please forget discussion\debate for a while, perhaps take some time out to reflect.


TV

I would have recommended reflection for you but it's no use.

Anyone who believes no progress can ever be made by black people.....

bemeruca:
My issue is with Bayelsaowei, who I believe is a very smart person, siding with this lunacy for the sake of picking a side.

Budaatum, who is a champion in criticising colonialism, recognized its benefits.

These people can't help themselves.

Will you go to your room at once!