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Helinuse:
But una go flog am

I am not Igbo.
And worse than flogging has been done to kings everywhere.

FSBoperator:
Ibobland was subjugated by the Bini, Igala and Ekpe .

You might have had semblance of what may pass as a king but after the centuries long subjugation, any one amongst you who rose to claim the position of king was seen as an usurper and rebel by the external powers.

I am not Igbo.

Helinuse:
No one is arguing with you bros.



You are saying exactly what I am saying.
But refusing to put it in the way it's supposed to be: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT KINGS ARE.
You never knew, don't know, and won't know.
This man is not a king. He is just the biggest boy in the community who wants to show off what he has accumulated in Port Harcourt.


Nothing concern una with KINGSHIP.
If this dude no play ball, no be only "removed" una go do am. Una go flog am join.

Na king be that?

Kings have been removed and killed even in history in England and France notably.

FSBoperator:
Then you don't understand what a king is.

An absolute monarch is a king.

What you have is a representative spokesman

You have come with your ignorance again.

mrvitalis:
So tell me which king in Nigeria have absolute power ?

From sultan to Obi to oni to oba to emirs

Which one have anything other the ceremonial power ? Name one

That statement of his was beyond ignorant.
Even in history all over the world many Kings didnt have absolute power.

Helinuse:
The dude doesn't know that for a king to be a king, he must have absolute power. If he doesn't have absolute power, then he should be called a chief, clown, joker, etc.

Nonsense. Have you never heard of constitutional monarchies?

Helinuse:
What is republican about them?



When have they EVER practiced the republican system?

I mean republican in a cultural sense as opposed to monarchical in a cultural sense. I am sure you understand that.

Helinuse:
The obsession that Igbos have with the word "king" is way off the mark.


With one breath, they claim that they respect no one and bow to no one.
With another breath, everyone who can have at least 2 nwa boys, one highlander, and a very plump wife (physically overweight) at home who is maltreating a househelp, will automatically coronate himself as king.

That is why no one sends their kingship. Even them sef no dey send their kingship.
If a person in the north is mistakenly turbaned as sarki, even if it is sarkin dariya, the government will immediately recognize the person and accord them the necessary honor. That is because they know what royalty is. But as for the Igbos, royalty is a joke. That is why we can have four kings on one street. Since they all have highlander, overweight wives, and abussed househelps.

You sound aggressively anti-Igbo here, which I dont care for, because it sounds like you may be tribalist - however you have a point. I dont think Igbos naturally tend towards monarchy of any kind and forcing it is awkward and unnatural. Igbos are republican by nature.

mould4plastics:
From the Atiku's model you presented, I see where it's mentioned that refineries will produce at the preferential price of crude, sell locally and EXPORT their surplus. Is the govt also going to regulate the price at which the refineries export? I guess the answer is no, then expect leakages as most refineries will likely export rather than sell locally driven by the prospect of making higher profits Smuggling issues will also return.

The govt may try to regulate and enforce compliance, but you and me know that Nigerians are the most difficult people to play by the rules, especially when there's profit to be made. Implementation will be the biggest challenge.

Very fair comment.

Svoboda:
This is all word salad. Nigerians want to be convinced, and everything boils down to the very important question: how far after 3 years of Tinubus govt, are their fortunes any better than they were pre 2023?

The guy said debates are childish!
Osanobua!

Vision101:
Nigerians are not naive. Debate is childish and academic. .

JESUS CHRIST!
Bisimillahi Rahman Raheem!

You vomitted this?
This country is finished.

Vision101:
The world is laughing at us as unserious people. A foreign university admitted Atiku to a masters program without first degree. Can you learn something from this

Someone that worked for a multinational company for years to a high level until he resigned and they didn't doubt his competence. He was a governor of a state that has the fifth economy in Africa for eight years and performed creditably. Three years as president and Nigerians are still asking of primary and secondary school certificates. Are we serious.

I have stated it several times that I didn't attend formal secondary school but I'm a chartered accountant and I have other higher qualifications. This earns me respect and acceptance anywhere I go. There are some people like us. It's a mark of brilliance. Nigerians should stop majoring on minor.

Please stop defending a man whose every background detail is a mystery. You and I know this goes beyond the schools he attended. Nothing about this mystery man is known.

Vision101:
This is not wailing. This is policy reply based on sound technical knowledge.

Atiku didn't think these through. All his life he worked in customs collecting bribe. His educational training is one Arabic studies. He has no knowledge of the workings of the petroleum industry. Nigerians can now see that it's easy to make chochocho against a government but to provide solid workable alternative is very difficult.

What silly technical knowledge. Specify the relevance of all the percentages he was mentioning in terms of other products from crude.

Basic123:
I am a Tinubu supporter but I hate Onannuga or whatever.


He gives people unnecessary relevance.


When Atiku replies,he will attack the president not him.

Atiku will just be feeling himself while attacking the president as if them be mate

They are certainly not mates, the president is close to 90.

Parachoko:
Atiku will only do well in the North West and North East

These are the most critical areas in terms of high numbers

AMINDA:
Coming from the spokesperson of a man that refused to attend any debate. The nerve!

I mean!

PS: Aminda, you never attended to the questions I left you here -

https://www.nairaland.com/8733572/aminda-talk-us-atikus-path#140413062

Biodun556:
If business didn't go well how will children feed

If pallying your business partner means starving your children nko?
That is exactly what is happening in the case of Nigeria.

Besides Nigeria has many present and potential streams of business.

Biodun556:
They are more important because they bring in huge amounts of money

This is like saying that your business partners are more important to you than your children.

Cc: SixSeven

I dont know what kind of country we live in where the president will run away from any debates.
In three years, only one very carefully curated meeting with journalists.

Dance for joy, Kukutente23, Unbiased1 and Tctrills.

basilico:
Everyone knows democrats are evil and will always do evil without hiding it

So says Epstein man.

Mynd44:
The first flaw in your argument is thinking Nigeria owns the oil it drills.

The crude oil are joint venture businesses with oil companies and they will not be interested in giving their own when they can sell at international price

Mynd44:
Sauidi has 37 million people
UAE has 12 million people, are you seeing the problem?

Its always possible to completely remodel the system we are working with.

essentialone:
First: nothing is wrong with you for liking a certain "vibe". Attraction is not always logical. The fact that you’re Igbo, grew up in Lagos, speak Yoruba fluently, educated, and you’re drawn to "razz, stubborn, aggressive" energy instead of "toosh, English speaking educated" girls — that just means your heart responds to something different.

What I’m noticing in what you said:

*1. The contrast pulls you*
You said "toosh, English speaking educated girls" vs "beautiful and razz like paraga sellers at bustops". That’s not about education vs no education. It feels like you’re drawn to rawness, confidence, women who don’t filter themselves. Women who fight, who are stubborn, who feel _alive_ and unapologetic.

*2. The Rokibat story*
You liked her when she was reserved. But you _fell_ when you saw her rugged side in a fight. And when she apologized and said she’d change, you told her "it’s ok".
That tells me: the fire, the stubbornness, the "don’t-take-nonsense" energy is what makes her sexy to you. Not in spite of it, but because of it.

*3. "I need help seriously"*
So something about this is stressing you. Is it because:
- People judge it? "Educated guy should like educated girl"
- You’re worried the aggression will turn toxic in a relationship?
- You don’t understand _why_ you like this?

Real talk, no judgment:

Liking bold, street-smart, aggressive women doesn’t make you bad. A lot of guys find that energy magnetic because it feels real, passionate, and challenging. Lagos girls especially have that "I no dey gree" aura and it’s attractive.

The key is: *aggressive ≠ abusive*. Stubborn and sexy is fine. But you also want someone who can fight for you, not fight _with_ you every day. Someone who can be soft with you when it matters.

Since you told Rokibat "it’s ok" when she said she’ll change, it sounds like you actually love her exactly as she is.

3 questions for you:
1. *What scares you about this preference?* Is it what people will say, or you’re worried it’ll hurt you long term?
2. *With Rokibat now* - are you still talking? Do you want her to change, or you want to learn how to date her as she is?
3. *"Razz and beautiful"* - to you, what exactly makes it sexy? Is it the confidence, the way they talk, the way they don’t beg?

You’re not weird. You’re just a Lagos boy with Yoruba fluency and Igbo roots who likes fire.


...And na that fire go burn you down las las.

Nothing can convince me you are not a shrink.

xynerise:
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Use of punctuation............................I am done

GBAM. End of story.

Neoteny:
You brought about the scientific method to this discussion, now you're pivoting to philosophy. Fine, you may avoid polemics, but since you're here and love the scientific method, perhaps you should use dialectics to rip the argument apart.



You forgot how this started? Adam and Eve that theologically were the first of creation? You tried to assert very broadly that males require females and vice versa.

You mentioned science does not accept sexual creatures can exist asexually, that generally males cannot exist without females. I then referred you to the scientifically accepted theory that the first life is asexual. Even in the mammalian class to which human beings belong, embryos are alive yet they don't have any gender until fertilization.

Whiptail lizards are example of sexual creatures in the animal Kingdom that are all female yet thrive via parthenogenesis, as do komodo dragons who can reproduce asexually when isolated from males.

These are examples proven by science that some animals can indeed exist, reproduce and thrive without an opposite gender. You may say they're not mammalian, but remember: they're sexual creatures, and scientifically we all once shared a common ancestor. And that ancestor was parthenogenic.

Humans cannot exist as one sex. It is impossible.
Have you even stopped to think what was the use of all the male functions in the supposed Adam without a female? Did he have sperm for example or that only came into existence with the afterthought that was Eve?

Neoteny:
1. Depends on the underlying hypothesis. If the prevailing thought is positive, provenance can be the opposite, eg the geocentric vs heliocentric models i mentioned. The prevailing belief was an earth-centered model, which was later proved wrong from observation.

No, my good man - it does not depend. Generally speaking, we are not called upon to prove negatives in philosophical polemics.

2. Scientifically, the very first life was asexual and spontaneously reproduced by itself. There's no concept of gender at the embryonic stage until the exact moment of fertilization when chromosomal outcome is random for individuals; this makes gender a heuristic probability rather than genetically deterministic.

Apples for apples please. Sexual creatures such as human beings scientifically do not exist without the other sex. It is biologically impossible.

Ko

Neoteny:
You're using provable phenomenon as contemporary example. It's easy to use satellites and eclipses and telescopes and the ISS to disprove the geocentric model in favor of the heliocentric, or that the earth is an oblate spheroid.

Religion doesn't lend itself easily to the scientific method, as many scriptural lore cannot be proven or discountenanced by repeatable measurement or observation.

Can anyone prove Moses existed? No. Neither can anyone prove he didn't.

Can your science prove that Adam and Eve weren't real? No. This is why agnosticism exists, alongside theism and atheism.

And that's why religion belongs in the realm of philosophy instead of science: there's no physical or quantitative measurement.

1. We are not called upon to prove negatives
2. It is scientific to say that the male could not exist without the female and vice versa

Neoteny:
It matters

Consensus is no different than truth when it's a fierce dogma that you've no way of retroactively correcting or proving otherwise

Nonsense. If you like let the whole world believe that the Earth is the centre of the universe, it will not mean jack.

Neoteny:
Tell that to 5 billion people who believe it

It doesnt matter if one zillion people believe that the Earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the Earth.

Neoteny:
Adam had konji before he even knew what a woman was, prompting god to take pity on him and sent Eve to complete the biological cycle.

This story is a myth. At no time did man exist without woman and vice versa.

No

CharlesCNG:
That is still an assumption dressed up as a conclusion.

Yes, subsidy removal created fiscal space. But it did not freeze every other government cost in place.

The naira weakened, making external debt service far more expensive in naira terms. Wages rose. Electricity support continued. Infrastructure spending increased. So the real question is not “why borrow if you saved?” but “did the new obligations exceed the savings, and was the extra borrowing justified?”

And “we always knew it would be stolen” is not evidence. That is like seeing a man withdraw cash from the bank and declaring robbery before checking what he bought.

If you have proof the subsidy savings were stolen, bring it.

If not, then let us debate the numbers, not suspicions.

You say the naira weakened as though it happened without a policy change.

Also subsidies on electricity were partly removed so that cost went down, and not up.

You have fraudulently tried to make it appear as though that cost remained constant or even went up. It went down massively for the govt because a huge chunk of that subsidy was removed.

You can dance around as much as you like but there is no reason to borrow even more when you have far more money at your disposal.

Hi

emkz:
The way our system is structured, development is supposed to start at the grassroots/states. Most of the issues Tinubu is handling, he is not supposed to. Lagos state has BRT and LAGBUS. What does your own state have? State governments are allowed to generate electricity. What has your state generated?

I cannot answer all your questions. As for borrowing. Are you aware that our crude oil was forward-sold to finance the subsidy regime? Are you aware that revenue needs to be used for development/infrastructure, recurrent expenditure, capital spending, and debt servicing? Are you aware that borrowing is one way to keep government spending running?

Question for you: if you have 10 million naira in savings, and you have someone who gives you a low-interest loan of 8 million naira to handle a project like a road that is going to generate income through tolls and pay back the loan and earn you revenue over a period of ten years with an initial two-year moratorium, what would you do?

In this kind of circumstance no one should prioritize an non-priority like the coastal road. Especially considering the corrupt circumstances of it's award.