QuinQ: Do you know all those people who tried to put Trump in jail before he won second term? He hasn't been able to jail any of them. Now compare to Iran
+ Oh but he made sure to sack every Federal Attorney and DOJ staff who worked on the case against him. How is that normal?
Look the USA is weird. Just ask any AI how many countries in the world allow a convict to contest for their presidency and you will see how weird the USA is.
KobolanderSegun: The fact that we can create is proof that we are not programmed. Ai finds it extremely hard to be original ai is trained to copy. Ai at this point in time cannot create anything new. The fact that man is a creative being with independent creativity is hard to use the particulate collapse theory. Since my creation is in my head and in my head alone for me to bring my creation to life and for everyone to see means only two things. We al programmed to see things the same way or there is no programming and my mind programmes what people will see. If we are programmed it will begger to ask who or what is doing the programming. It is random programing or is it planned programming.
It cannot be random programing and it cannot be programming by chance, Random programing will create different uncountable variations since it is random. An untidy room is a randomly tidied room with no planning and no structure gives rise to chaos and confusing like an untidy room. A room that is tidy does not happen by randomness it happens by careful thinking, planning and keeping to the schedule and structure of the arranged items.
The collapse of all structures. Structures that do not obey laws collapse rapidly through time. Even in a democracy if laws are disobeyed you have anarchy, dictatorship or tyranny. The constitution serves a means to preserve the country.
The Egyptian pyramids do not stand by chance they stand by mathematical prowess of the Egyptians.
Is the Programming Conscious or unconscious ?
What is Unconscious cannot create anything because consciousness and awareness are 5 And 6. A man in a coma is Unconscious and he cannot do anything. This goes to show what is Unconscious cannot create Consciousness.
+ I dont argue for randomness being at the root of anything. I also dont argue for any unconscious factor. There is a good argument that the root of all reality is primordial consciousness.
Islam does not promote honor killing. Honor killing, like underage marriage predated Islam, is what you don't seem to acknowledge, and the Quran, written in its time, does not deviate from it much.
You also seem to pretend to not acknowledge the evolution of understanding that has occurred in most Islamic cultures barring perhaps Afghanistan and bokoharam since those verses were written, so below is about us, as in, Islam's penetration into Nigeria. The context is, educating women eradicates wife beating.
But in spite of this sound Islamic position, ‘the devils among men’ still believed that women should remain at home in ignorance, knowing very well that ignorance could lead women to hell. In addition, such devilish scholars had remained silent in situations of moral and social decadence in which women freely engaged with men in drumming and dancing, and in which they displayed their beauty on festive days. If a woman could go as far as to ḥajj, why should she not go out to learn about her faith, which indeed, is a greater obligation than ḥajj, the Shehu asked.
benalvino3: When it happens it is normal. The wives cover their body from head to toe, they believe in the Quora too, so they must subjugate themselves too not to get beaten.
My ex Asiya in London was a ninja anytime we meet. We go far away from where she lives to meet. All the eyes were on me holding the hands of a ninja as we walk.
Asiya lived in all these countries, Oman, Saudi Arabia, and London. Never been to Somalia, although that's where her parents are from.
Another one Fatima I don't know if her dad would have killed her. But she was locked up for a week for dating a black Christian boy when she studied in the UK. She is originally from Yemen, but her parents have refugee status in Norway. Even her closest younger sister stopped communicating with her. Eventually, her family disowned her.
Today, she recently got married to a Nigerian guy. She was the one my Muslim friends were not happy that I was dating. So when I say I don't like Islam, it's because of things like this.
+ Budaatum may pretend he does not know about honor killing.
Per our "civilisational development"' discussion. Tribalism and ee.slam are 2 reasons - not the only ones - it can't happen for Nigeria in its current form. I'll respond to that and this later.
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+ I more than hinted at tribal conflict as something that must first be overcome in what I said.
budaatum: That verse in the Quran is read and understood as you pressume by only stupid men. You know many Muslims who that verse may try to talk who would refuse to beat their wives. And you are admitting that women in even immoderate Islamic Iran wouldn't accept their men beating them despite, according to your understanding, the Quran says they can. Or is it, should?
You'd likely argue that bokoharam are Muslims too who are doing what the Quran has written in it telling them to do what they do, but you'd need to ignore all the other Muslims who do read the same Quran including those whom bokoharam terrorise, for that to wash.
+ The Quoran says so, and it is applied by many. The Quoran recommends gender apartheid and it is implemented. That's all. I don't have any interest in your twisting the matter towards irrelevancies.
budaatum: Are you saying the husbands in immoderate Islamic Iran may accept the authority conferred on them to beat their wives but their wives would never let them?
+ Look the Quoran is speaking to men in that verse. Go and read it.
budaatum: Muslim women in what we'd consider immoderate Islamic Iran are demonstrating on the street against the hijab. Do you believe they accept being beaten by their husbands?
+ Of course they would never.
The proper question is if the husbands accept the authority conferred on them to beat.
Drifter02: I have a job. Earning a decent salary and my own place.
Yet all the women I keep talking to don't seem to want something to do with me.
I'm not being pathetic. That's how it is actually. There's always some other guy that outspends and competes for their attention.
The other ones I see are soo downright immature. Just babies masquerading as women, girls that have never faced adversity, girls that have no sense of responsibility. Attention-sucking leeches. Girls that can't even make up their own minds. Girls that keep running to their mothers for any single thing.
Other ones fancy themselves as hustlers and are always so difficult. Those ones are always competing with you for dominance. Soo crazy man.
And there are the brokies. Liabilities. No job. Nothing.
Omo I'm always so alone staying in my room, particularly at night. I feel soo alone.
I don't want a woman because of sex. Sex is sooo trivial. I honestly don't even care. Next time I have sex, it'd be to make a child.
I just don't know how single men honestly cope. It's so crazy out here
+ How old are you and how long have you been single.
GCC countries will turn against the USA if he tries it.
If he strikes Iran's power plants, Iran will strike the power plants of those countries that have America's bases and they will turn against America because they know who the aggressor is.
I am sure the Gulf countries have warned him against it. He just trying to act as if he controls the cards.
anonimi: Would you say that there is a greater chance of redressing Trump's dictatorship desires in America, than there is for redressing Tinubu's dictatorship desires in Nigeria
+ Better chance for USA. Mid-Terms could possibly correct it.
KobolanderSegun: We could actually be the size of micro organisms that a not seen. They say there are millions of bacteria on a pin head. What if our planet is the size of a pin head and the universe is the size of Lagos State in reference to the pin head.
+ Its not what if. The size of the known universe alone means this is the reality, in fact, it will only be the case that the known universe itself is probably a dot on a pinhead compare to the unknown universes, multiverses, planes, dimensions, etc. Its a very sobering thought.
And I cannot resist chooking something else inside. If it is so, there will probably be beings larger than our entire planet, larger than our entire galaxy, etc, just as we walk around beside pinheads and on one pinhead, a planet may exist.
I have some questions about the particular theory that things only exist based on your perception of them. My house exists regardless of my thinking of it. The world exists regardless of our thinking of things. That is why if there is a chair on the road and you tell people to write down what they saw on the road they will come up with the same chair on the road because that chair exists and does not collapse or shrink when people are there or are not there.
+ This goes to the matter of object permanence which LordReed insists upon. The fact remains that if it is a program so made, we will always see an object which is programmed to be in a particular position based on the algorithm and the workings of the program. Such an object will always be accounted for. This does not mean that it is not a programmed reality, virtual reality or the result of some advanced software.
Lordreed, apologies I have taken a while, been turning around in my head how I can present the case better to your very exacting mind.
tctrills: This by far the most intelligent of all your arguments and I will prove it to you with something you believe. The president appoints the chief judge so by your argument the president can claim to be the chief judge. Jesus Christ was appointed by His Father to judge the world, it would be incorrect and dishonest for the Father to claim He is the judge. When you delegate your daughter to wash plate, you don't go telling people that you did the dishes.
+ Surely you know that when we say Dangote built a refinery we dont mean that he lifted the bricks and pipes and mortar. Others did that. And yet we credit Dangote with building the refinery. Same way as with your own house. We say you built a house even when you only instructed others to do it. Same way we say a leader wages war when he only gives orders.
As to your argument that Jesus created the world, scripture says the world was created through him. There is a difference.
Dtruthspeaker: Good. This is where I respectfully tell you to keep using your experiences to examine it, so that you won't say it is me who said it. So go check it out and see
If man that you see and whom you offended did not find it just to forgive you, how do you think that God, would forgive you?
But please, go check it out.
+ If forgiveness and atonement were left to man alone, no one will be saved.
tctrills: You know what to do. It's as easy as typing the guys name. Let's not play dumb
+ I actually thought you were saying I should notify the person who actually made that argument. I only just realised what you meant and have done that.
DeepSight: + I must say this is a thorough and interesting argument and very well put forward, also emotionally compelling. Tctrills, someone has done your homework for you.
While I thank you for this, I must juxtapose what you have written against the justice of God. God, remember, is not just said to be an emotional loving father in the human sense, but also our creator and most importantly in this context, our judge. And God is said to be perfectly just, and divine justice would simply not be perfect if there are escape loops such as one person coming to bear the consequence of another persons sin. It is written in the bible itself that we will reap what we sow, and so it is clear that in terms of divine justice, there can be no escape hatch by bringing one person to bear the consequences for another person.
Another thing you should reflect upon is that such a practice would make God a bad parent in that it would amount to a kind of cheating and therefore fail to instill the required discipline in humans.
Your argument is emotionally compelling but it ends there - it only appeals to the human side of things and does not speak to the matter of justice. Furthermore, it also fails because as an analogy it does not depict your child having committed a crime which deserves punishment, it only depicts him or her in an unfortunate position of distress without any sin and in need of rescue. Such an analogy is incurably bad when we are talking about sin and conseqence.
+ Tctrills has argued that Abram was willing to do this because he knew Isaac would be resurrected. As an aside one may question the value and sacrifice of Jesus laying down his life since he knew he would be resurrected in a short three days. But I digress.
The point remains that it will forever be barbaric to ask a parent to kill his child. And in this instance what for? To make God happy? Does God drink human blood? What exactly for? What kind of God will make such a barbaric, pagan and contemptible demand? There can NEVER be anything holy or righteous about such a satanic command please.
+ SirTee15, it was not Tctrills who argued the bold. I was mistaken.
tctrills: I can't force you to do the right thing. You claim to have a higher moral standard than God but suddenly, you don't know that you owe it to me to restore my name after your dishonesty
+ What can restore your name better than an open apology?
tctrills: Oga stop being a pretender. Go back and let the guy know you made a mistake. But you wouldn't because it was not a mistake. You were just being wicked.
+ It was not on this platform and it does not concern the person.
It's absurd the way you think. What could I gain by deliberately telling a falsehood about such a point?
Anyways, I have done my bit by owning my error and apologizing. No one can do better than that.
I can only conclude it is worthless interacting with such a one as you further.
tctrills: We both knew you were never serious with your apology. You made a false witness against me but you don't feel the responsibility to contact the person you lied to and make sure he sees your corrections? Well I can't force you to do the right thing. I will only advise you stop your wickedness. You gain nothing spoiling other people's name just because you don't like them
+ This is intolerable arrogance after someone apologised with an explanation. I hate this kind of nonsensical behaviour. Good bye.
budaatum: I have read the Quran, thank you very much. Reading is one thing however, understanding and learning what is practised and why does however need to be considered.
+ Those who oppress women and practice gender apartheid under the dictates of the Quoran are in millions especially in the Middle East and Muslim dominated countries .... Stop using moderate Muslims in the west as the standard.
Secondly those who practice what the Quoran says about these matters can always accuse those who don't of not being true Muslims.
Science/Technology › Re: LordReed - Revisiting The Simulation Of Reality by DeepSight(op): 6:22pm On Mar 23
