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TV01:
Of course there are reasons. There are always reasons, as for pretty much everything. And yes, I have my beliefs, but they remain under wraps for now, because the ask is, not why Nigeria (and as a metaphor for most black nations) are way down on whatever civilisational scale one chooses to use. One could circle that mountain forever, but to what effect?

The ask is how and when they will clearly start to ascend the curve and move forward? If anything they appear to be regressing...Somali incoming!!! I'll accept references to the why, only if they somehow colour the what, when and how. Long\short, I don't want excuses as to why the country is a basket-case, I want to know what will be done to attain basic societal order.

On this same thread I asked the same pointed questions to the Saffa Lionesza? Who claimed that SA was built by both it's black and white citizens. The asks where 1. what exactly did black SA contribute (and I don't mean heavy lifting) to the development of SA and 2. And now that SA has transitioned to black-majority rule , why is the country spiralling downwards and what are the black SA ruling class going to do to reverse and, at a minimum restore SA to what it was less than 2 generations ago. Over 3 responses, I got waffle, then a slur, then a hasty exit.

As for corruption? I'm a British patriot and I am certain that most of our political class and lot's of our elite are not only corrupt, they are also perverse. Please, let's not dellect.


TV

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I am willing to have a proper conversation, however not one in which well researched and pertinent scientific and historical facts are dismissed with a handwave as excuses.

tctrills:
You said so much here but I would ask you to provide evidence that US is using their bases in the gulf states.
Please don't come here and be spreading fake news.
The gulf states refused the US from using their bases.
Let's debate, argue or even quarrel but no lies please.

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Test post. I am being banned no matter what I post. Let me see if this gets banned.

tctrills:
Let me try to explain your thinking.
I start a fight with you, then you start hitting everyone around us, and then you expect them to blame me when you hit them, right? If such happens even in a primary school, other kids would know that it's crazy and weird. Uncle as Emeka beat me, I begin dey beat everybody. How does it sound even to you kids?
I don't know how to argue against that, but I just can't agree with you since I believe in personal responsibility and not blaming others for my actions.

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Lol and this your "personal responsibility" magically forgets that the countries they are hitting harbour US bases from where attacks are launched on Iran?

Can you see how you conveniently leave out the key fact as if it does not exist?

tctrills:
Are you listening to me? I said that Jehovah (Jesus Christ) is the God of the Old Testament. Do not call my claims absurd because that is what the bible teaches.

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You added that the father is NOT that God of the old testament.

This even contradicts the trinity doctrine which you claim to believe in.

tctrills:
But wait oh, if the price of fuel becomes N5000 a liter, you guys would still be rooting for Iran, right?

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It's entirely Trumps doing, no one else.

tctrills:
Now we are making this personal. But that's not even the point; you clearly don't know everything about Christianity, so calm down with your claims. Catholics, for example, believe Jesus is Jehovah, but not in the same sense as I explained. Again, it's just empty pride to claim to know what every Christian believes.

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Yes every Trinitarian believes Jesus is Jehovah but certainly none of them except you will say that Jehovah is not the God of the OT.

I am not making anything personal, I am just pointing out how strange and fringe your view is and the fact that it is not just fringe, it is absurd and weird and no one else would countenance it.

Dogalmighty17:
You got it wrong. Badenoch IGNORED Tinubu. Have you watched that woman engage her colleagues in the House of Commons? That's not a woman that can be ignored.

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She is nothing and nobody and will amount to nothing but used tissue paper.

tctrills:
I did not point to the quran, I used the same bible you use. I Am the IAm is in your bible and every other verse I quoted, and I will still quote. I am not here to defend Christianity as that would be impossible, that's defending 100s of different religions, but I am here to look at the bible objectively with you.

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I am sure you are the only Christian the world that says that God the Father is not Jehovah of the Old Testament

tctrills:
God the Father is always going to be God. I am saying that the Jehovah of the Old Testament is the same person we know as Jesus Christ in the New Testament. One doesn't have to lose His position for the other to be divine. Let me put it this way: The Father sent Jehovah to the prophets of old. And that is why all the titles of Jehovah in the Old Testament belong to Jesus Christ.
Example: In the Old Testament, we learn that there is no Savior but Jehovah; in the New Testament, Jesus Christ is the only Savior.

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Your doctrine that the father is NOT Jehovah is alien to Christianity and I am sure almost NO other Christian in the world will agree with you on that.

This man and him mama sha!

tctrills:
What are you talking about? Are you praising the Iranian regime for surviving 21 days of war? Make it make sense. And you call hitting the global economy Iran's victory, that's a weird way of thinking. The so-called victory is causing them more enemies; it's damaging the economy of their big ally, China. Your understanding of victory means destroying civilization. That's scary.

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You are not getting it. So you really think an Iranian victory would only be by conquering the USA nd Israel and colonizing them or wiping them out? You are funny.

tctrills:
Yes, I AM (Jesus Christ) is the Jehovah of the Old Testament, not His Father. Let's do one verse, and you will explain.
Exodus 6:3

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

You see clearly that the Almighty and Jehovah are 2 difrent people. Yes, many times, especially in the Old Testament, the 2 persons/names are used interchangeably but this is the verse that separates the 2

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So you are saying that God the father is not the God of the Old Testament?

tctrills:
Of course, if Jesus Christ claims He is not God, we can't force Him to be God. But you read His claim, He is I Am.

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Jesus said it many times that he is not God, and you are just hanging on to a vague "I am" which you know has many different possible interpretations.

tctrills:
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You and I both have the human nature too. And we both have names.
Thats the point, Jesus Christ and His Father both have the God nature and still have their different names. Just like you and I both have human nature, too. And we both have names

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And yet you are not me, are you?

Please this is an absolutely incongruous statement maybe you meant to say something else or clarify it.
But you claim to have read the bible 17 times, and you still don't know that the I AM of the Old Testament is Christ? Maybe you should read it one more time

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My challenge is you saying that Jesus and NOT the father is Jehovah of the Old Testament!
Not the father ? ? ? ?
Oh really?

Confusion!


PS: You keep saying 17 times, but go back and look at exactly what I wrote. I mentioned that I had read it several times before a particular age, I didnt mention the amount of times I have read it.

tctrills:
None of the 20 shows in any way that Jesus Christ is not God. Anyone could copy and paste verses; that's no big deal.
Let's do this, just present any one of your 20 verses and explain how it disproves the divinity of Christ.

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I am weary of doing so: even if i bring a verse where Jesus says "I am not God" you will not agree.

donleo92:
The propaganda must propaganda

Iran is not paradise.
Iran is been dealt with by two sophisticated military in the world.

But people want to use to media and AI to make it look as if Iran is winning

Anyway, we know the media has always hated trump and Israel, but on ground they know that Iran is loosing this war, and they just want to use the media sympathy to push USA to stop.

To me, make USA leave middle east, make Israel finish this people

tctrills:
You have no point here. You know nothing about the state or readiness of the Iranian army. You are not a war expert. Don't just be making unwise statements on nairaland.

Wait and let's see, then we can talk about it.

In a week or 2 from now, after the battles have been fought, we can then tell who is winning.
But as of today,
Iran has hit some US bases
13 American have died
On the other hand thousands of Iranians have died.
Hundreds of Iranian military bases in Iran have been destroyed.
The entire air defence is destroyed
The entire navy and air force is gone.
Top leaders and generals gone

So, who is winning.

Even on the economic front, the Iranian currency is toilet paper.
Iran is suffering some of the worst inflation ever.

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You guys are missing the point. In analyzing who is doing better, you have to consider their strength. The USA and Israel are the overwhelmingly stronger side in every respect, militarily and economically. We are talking about the biggest economy and most advanced military and its proxy against a desert country under sanctions for half a century. So there is no comparison.

Therefore the mere survival is the Iranian regime alone is victory for Iran.
The mere fact that Iran can hold the world to ransom at the Strait is victory for Iran.

You have to understand the context.

tctrills:
God is not Identity, God has His name.. Yes, Jesus Christ has a Father who has a different Identity from Him but the bible teaches us that they both have the God nature. So God clearly is not a name of a person. Our God has a name.

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You and I both have the human nature too. And we both have names.

My point is tha Jesus Christ not His Father is the Jehovah of the old testament according to the bible.

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Please this is an absolutely incongruous statement maybe you meant to say something else or clarify it.

tctrills:
My summary

If Jesus called Himself God, then we can agree that the correct Christian position is that Jesus Christ is God. Again, we know that His Father is also God, and that's not a problem because even as humans, we expect the son of a human to be human, so why would anyone expect the Son of God and heir of His divine nature not to be God?

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This is a very bad analogy as being human refers to our nature not our identity. So the fact that you and I are human does not mean that you are me or I am you. In the context you have used the analogy, at best it would mean that Jesus is also a divine being and not that he is God the Father.

tctrills:
You seen yo have forgotten, I did not ignore them, I explained them and gave you verses to increase your understanding.

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I remember very well - you only picked a few verses to give marginal attention to and then said that that should suffice to explain the rest or something like that. 20 solid verses and that was the lazy response you gave, you didnt address them all, only a few, and only marginally.

By the way no verse in the bible shows that Jesus Christ is not God.

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I gave you twenty that showed that explicitly.

But let me start strong, Jesus Christ is clearly the Jehovah of the old testament

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Then he must have multiple personality disorder as the nature of Jesus and his teachings radically differ from those of blood thirsty and violent Yahweh of the Old Testament.

tctrills:
This below might set the ball rolling for our next topic
https://youtube.com/shorts/OhAe-3cGKsk?si=2LK3kot9X7Lg4KoL

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I once gave you [b]twenty [/b]clear verses showing clearly that Jesus is NOT God, but you basically ignored them.
I was not surprised because it is standard and normal for people of faith to ignore their own scripture once it is against whatever they already believe. Both Christians and Muslims do this on the regular. I have seen it too often.

No one can trust anything emanating from the US Govt anymore.
The nature of Trump as a pathological liar has destroyed every shred of meaningfulness in the trajectory and story of this war. One thing this minute, the contrary the next second.

tctrills:
Here is a simplified summary to explain God's Justice and mercy.
https://youtube.com/shorts/otRbtbRX0Eg?si=OfU_128NrDYxlUeT

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Doesnt work.
No matter how much you try to confuse and convince yourself, an innocent man taking the punishment for the crimes of a guilty man can never signify perfect divine justice. Never.

It is also unbiblical.

Jesus himself made it clear not only in Gethsemane but also when he said it would be better for the person who betrayed him if he was never born.

Also consider verses like -

1 Corinthians 2:8: "None of the rulers of this age understood this; for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory."

Luke 23:34: "Then said Jesus, 'Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

But of everything Jesus said that showed the crucifixion was wrong, the Parable of the Wicked Tenants is the most poignant.

The Parable of the Wicked Tenants is found in Matthew 21:33–46. Below is the text of the passage (from the ESV translation):

33 “Hear another parable. There was a master of a house who planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and built a tower and leased it to tenants, and went into another country.

34 When the season for fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants to get his fruit.

35 And the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first. And they did the same to them.

37 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’

38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’

39 And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.”

What do you think the above parable signifies.
Don't just allow confirmation bias to give you a knee jerk reaction. Ponder it deeply with openness of mind and the willingness to change your belief.

Kobojunkie:
Throughout history, the land has always gone to the conquerors. The Israelites conquered the Canaanites, that is one of the major reasons why they were able to claim the land even as they lived in the land with the conquered population. 🥱🥱

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Then no one should have a problem with the Muslims having also conquered the place.

2. There is no record of a genocide committed against the Canaanites given that the Canaanite clans existed in the land even after the Israelites had taken over.
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What happened at Jericho?

TV01:
Smashed those bells llke kilode !

Right, where were we?
If said academic research purports reasons for a lack or progress or hinderances to advancement, fine. But that is all backward looking. I'd never get away with that at work. If these profound research tomes can piece together what went wrong, why can't they prescribe a way forward?

Why is academic research needed to deliver basic amenities? A minimum viable societal proposition. Security, healthcare, schools. Why can't basic utilities like water, electricity, or infrastructure like roads be readily delivered?

You need profound academic research to figure out why a country cannot solve for open defecation? This is just weak. Pathetically weak. Absolute denial.

Leave me jor. Let me go and pester my wife!


TV

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Perhaps you should state what you believe are the reasons, given that you accede that there are reasons.

The truth is there is a scientific reason for most things. It's either you choose the scientific reason or you decide to be unscientific by saying something lazy such as "oh, they are just corrupt."