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basilico:
All those are your opinions , everyone is free to believe whatever. You may as well argue that his disciples didn't see miracles like feeding 5000, raising the dead, walking on water, stopping storms ,healing the sick etc . They were hypnotized.

You can also argue that Paul formerly Saul was able to open more churches than Jesus disciples because he was a Roman citizen who was free to travel to every part of the Roman empire. Not because of his beliefs and faith

You are free to believe anything. You won't be the first neither the last.

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You are also free to believe anything. You too will certainly not be the first nor the last.

After all there is no dearth of people who believe that various men are God. You may have heard of Olumba Olumba Obu and his followership for example.

You can also go ahead and say God didn't create you,

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Though I believe that an eternal element I call God is the incomprehensible source of all things, I doubt that God directly created this material world.

in another million years there will be a new generation of primates who will have evolved into homo sapiens.
Evolution of the primates didn't suddenly stop with homo sapiens .

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This is indeed a fair point, whether you are being sarcastic or not.

basilico:
The disciples were all brutally executed for refusing to renounce Jesus
At least 9 of them who were witness to his death and Resurrection. The threat of death couldn't force them to stop preaching.
Their death fits into your theory Jesus was disruptive like chasing out money changers in a temple?

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I don't know if you are making the familiar argument that the disciples willingness to die is evidence that Jesus truly was divine and resurrected. If you are, I don't support that argument because the same is true for many charismatic sect leaders. One can certainly remember a number of cult groups who subscribed to mass suicide for example.

However to be clear, Jesus remains one of my favourite people in many ways, certainly as a messenger from the Light. His teachings were elevated, high minded and profound and I would say he is rightly called the Prince of Peace. I simply don't believe the myths about him such as that he was born of a virgin (a common myth ascribed to many spiritual or mythical figures) or that he was God or the only begotten son of God (another common myth ascribed to many) or that he died for our sins or resurrected from the dead.

I believe he was a man and that he taught elevated moral principles for an elevated spiritual life. This however is only if he actually existed as portrayed in the gospels which is questionable. I think there is a strong possibility that what is portrayed may be a composite of several people and ideas.

WizardOfNG:
I did not go mute. I just decided you are not worth discussing with. If people are objective and polite I can talk to them all day courteously and respectfully.

When I see some who simply want a reinforcement of their preconceived notions and opinion, and are happy to be rude and ungracious to others, as you are, then I won't indulge them.

I don't waste my time with unproductive back and forth with insincere people my responses mean nothing to once it is not what they want to hear.

like a black man trying to convince a hardened racist black folks are good and productive and not all criminals. Stop wasting your time quoting me.

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This is escapist and it's simply because you know in your heart that there is no excuse in the universe for the appointment of Atiku Bagudu.

I can't recall being rude to you.

LordReed:
You mean Paula White-Cain the thrice married twice divorced spiritual advicer to the thrice married twice divorced president? Oh you bet she's fine with it after all birds of a feather.

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basilico:
You might want to pray and ask God why Jesus had to die.

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Everyone dies.
As for Jesus, if he existed, the story is clear. He was executed because of his unsettling role and disruptive teachings.

basilico:
Christianity fails miserably if Jesus didn't die and resurrect
Without the resurrection there is no Christianity.

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Well I see that as belief in ritual human sacrifice.

I also see it as injustice by an allegedly just God.

cococandy:
Yes he will.

The technicality means the evidence doesn’t exist. And therefore even your eyes can see it, no you can’t.

Did you hear him kill someone? Not you didn’t.

The way he can easily answer you the other questions, watch him evade this one and beat about the bush

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Sigh.
I am learning.

basilico:
There are people who loathe Xtianity here and support Islam yet they are parents.
You think the Pakistani cleric was wrong about the subject matter? Where you think he got that notion?

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I dont support Islam. I actually loathe it.

raumdeuter:
I choose to trust the legal system and whoever they say is not guilty, I defer to them

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The scenario I drew does not involve the court saying the accused is not guilty. In law it does happen that a person is discharged without being declared innocent. This happens on technicalities.

Its alright. I see you will keep dodging. Enjoy.

basilico:
deepsight
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@ImtiazMadmood
Brescia imam: “In our Islam, after age 9, a girl becomes a woman.”

An “Italian” imam named Ali Kashif went on TV and announced that girls who have reached nine years of age may be considered women, and are appropriate marriage material. The Italian government reacted in an sensible manner and expelled him from the country, putting him on a flight to his native Pakistan.

These words, spoken by the Brescia imam Ali Kashif into the microphones of the program “Out of the box”, have earned him expulsion from the country. It was the Interior Minister Matteo Piantedosi who made the notification.

Subsequent to the expulsion order, he was placed on a flight from Milan’s Malpensa Airport and sent back to his country of origin.”Originally from Pakistan, Kashif had emphasized the legitimacy, according to the Koran, of marriage with young girls: “

The Islamic religion says that if the parents are happy and both are in agreement, they can marry even at the age of 9. In our Islam, after 9 years, a girl becomes an adult. In the Koran, it says that it can be done.”

The order was carried out by the police headquarters of Brescia on the instruction of the Ministry of Interior, which made the decision, citing reasons of security, the lack of a residence permit of the person in question, and his incompatibility with constitutional values.

From Fratelli d’Italia [Brothers of Italy, the party of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni], Member of Parliament Riccardo De Corato expressed “full support for the measure” in the face of “very serious statements”, to which the State must react “with firmness and without any hesitation”. And he added:

“Whoever thinks they can, in our country, justify barbaric practices, contrary to the dignity of the individual, the rights of minors, and fundamental principles of our legal system, needs to know that in Italy there is no room for fanaticism, for extremism, and for whoever disseminates messages incompatible with our legal system.

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Why do you address this to me?

I am loving this Pope.

raumdeuter:
If the court after hearing all sides says he is not guilty then I will vote for him

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I said let go on a technicality, even when guilty. Don't you know what a technicality is?

Let me help you. In some jurisdictions, illegally procured evidence is not admissible. So lets say police searched a suspect's house without a warrant and found iron clad evidence that he is a mass murderer. However since they had no search warrant, the evidence is not accepted and he is let go. Thats an example. In fact, he proceeds afterwards to confess. But based on another rule, the rule against double jeopardy, he cannot be tried again.

There you go. I have given you a scenario where a guilty man is freed on technicalities, since you want to duck the question. In this scenario would you vote such a man if his policies improve your life?

bayelsaowei:
Back in which days? In the days that you weren’t even in existence. In the barbaric days.

You think it’s normal for a president of the United states to post ru—//bish like he was a deranged podcaster or an instagram influencer.

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Each time I reflect that its an actual president posting such things, I just cringe.
How would any one of us view it if our boss in an organization posted what Trump posts?

raumdeuter:
I am not a moral guardian for anyone, Your morals are not my morals, the only thing that matters is what is legal

For example cheating on your spouse is a moral issue but not illegal.
Exploiting tax loopholes is immoral but not illegal
I will vote for a candidate who cheated on his spouse or exploited tax loophole if their policies improve my life

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Will you vote for a serial killer or r a p I s t if their policies improve your life? Assume for this question that you know they are guilty but the court let them go on technicalities.

raumdeuter:
That is for the court to prosecute him, If he was not convicted legally, Then he is innocent and can be voted for

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Answer the question. Its a moral question of values, not a legal question of liability.

raumdeuter:
These mentality that politician should be your moral guardian is wrong

People do not vote for someone for morals, Your parents are responsible for your morals

People vote for people who will influence policies that will positively impact their lives

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Are you saying you'd be cool with a serial killer or r a p i s t as president or senator?

runningriot:
Trump's abnormalities and disfunctional behavior needs quick and urgent medical attention... I can sense someone is suffering from psychosis!

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Its so glaring.

raumdeuter:
What basic values does JD not have?

Trumps family opinion on his didnt stop him from being Senator
JD family opinion on him did not stop him from being Senator nor VP

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There is a problem with this line of thinking. So if a serial killer attains those offices, you would say, oh well, so long as his serial killing didnt stop him from becoming X, Y, Z, then all is well.

That shows a decrepit value system on your part.

raumdeuter:
Did that stop Trump frm being president

JD mom statement on him didnt even stop him from being Senator

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So what. Is being President or Senator beyond basic values?

osuofia2:
See as e sweet to call Jesus name, Deborah was killed because of simple message in a WhatsApp group, you Islamists can't take half of what you give out to others.
Since you are comparing Jesus to Trump, tell us how the Jewish woman poisoned mhd to death

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I am NOT a Muslim.

raumdeuter:
You said you live in Lagos, What evidence do we have you do or do not. Or the better question is why do anyone care if you lie about it or not

I said I live in USA, why are you not quizzing me about it?, How do you know I dont live in Ekiti or Abia. Or the better question is why do where I stay affect you or what I post

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It doesn't matter where anyone lives but if anyone lies about where they live, it says something.
But I agree generally that its not worth being bothered about especially for a stranger online who sounds like a psychiatric patient most of the time.

Righteousness2:
When Religious title holders leave the Word of GOD, THE BIBLE and begin to be Neither here nor there, you know they are gone.

The STANDARD IS THE BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD. Not what a Pope or title holder thinks or feels.

Any stand that not Correspond with THE BIBLE , THE WORD OF GOD is crap irrespective of Title or position of the person.


JESUS CHRIST IS THE KING of Kings
JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD of Lords.
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE PRINCE OF PEACE
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN.
WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST, ALL OF HUMANITY ARE HEADING TO HELL

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You know that Trump is superior to Jesus in your view.

Neoteny:
-Hamas was created to split the PLO and Fatah. Now it exists only to fight against the occupying Israelis and their Eretz Israel plan

-Hezbollah was created to fight against Israeli incursion and theft of Lebanese land

-Al Qaeda is an offshoot of the Mujahedeen funded by the US against the USSR

-ISIS was created and funded by the US and Israel to disloge Syria's Assad.


The total population of armed "jihadists" worldwide out of more than 2 billion Muslims is estimated at 0.0066%, far less than 0.1%, a highly negligible number.

87% of terrorist attacks are in Muslim majority countries against the locals, police/military, and politicians.

But the entire US government has so far killed more than 38 million people since the second world war, the vast majority being Muslim civilians all over the middle east. And you expect these people to nor harbor hateful sentiments against the US and its allies?

None of you has brought forth any evidence how any of these countries are a national threat to the US or NATO. You simply accept the US labeling of anyone they disagree with as a terrorist or rogue and proceed to bomb and kill them. When did the UN or the world decide that only the US, NATO, or Israel can decide who's a terrorist? During WW2, the Germans considered the French Resistance, whose country they invaded, as terrorists. They also called the Warsaw Uprising terrorism.

The European imperialists called African resistance against colonialism similar terms to terrorism, as did the English against the new-found colonies in America.

One man's freedom fighter is another one's terrorist.

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You deserve an award for this write up. Lucid, clear and sensible.

These same Western powers labelled Nelson Mandela a terrorist and the USA had him on their terrorism watchlist up till 2008.

osuofia2:
Pope calm down, I know you are trying to be politically correct, you are doing that for the wrong people who sees you nothing but an infidel, the church should be greatful for having Trump

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Its just the Pope this time around, but I have said it many times that Trumpists would slap Jesus himself for Trump.

Be honest, between Trump and Jesus, who is superior to you?

Trump of course.

Its just the Pope this time around, but I have said it many times that Trumpists would slap Jesus himself for Trump.

bemeruca:
Maybe I live in Nigeria, Port Harcourt, maybe I live in the US. Prove I don't live in the US.

I said I do and I don't have to prove anything. The photos of me heading towards Canada at the toll gate were posted, IjeBos ignored it 😂😂😂

But maybe I don't live in the US? Choose whatever floats your boat 🛥️⛴️😂

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Hey its meaningless to me. I no know you, and I no send you. You sound like a looney to me.

raumdeuter:
Why does where he claimed he lives make you sweat that much and insecure?

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If truly he lies about that, it's useful evidence to assess what level of seriousness to attach to anything he says.

raumdeuter:
Do you know what Trumps niece said about him?

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I know that his nephew spoke up about how Trump advised him to let his physically challenged son to die.

raumdeuter:
Like Trump was supposed to lose hands down to Hillary and Kamala

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Nope. Trump has always had a large base. Vance is nobody.

MarketspaceNG:
Note that we don’t permit sales of missiles or ammunition on MarketspaceNG

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WizardOfNG:
Oga, you are not making sense with the gibberish no one can understand.

Tinubu will keep doing his thing and recording many firsts, as he has already done, to the displeasure of enemies of Nigeria's progress.

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I asked you about the appointment of Atiku Bagudu, you went mute.

Your silence on this matter is very telling.

CodeTemplar:
Since the days of Gba.we to the days of Omoh.ayek to WizardOfNG, same partisan of gibberish from you.
If anything, these are the roads many Obidients actually criticized Tinubu for prioritising Lagos-Calabar highway over. Now it is clear the coastal highway of fraud cannot be campaigned with, they are fixing short portions of the old route and trying to pass it off as a big deal we must all applaud. If anything you and your oga should be apollogizing to obidients and Nigerians like me who heavily criticized wasteful projects you are now abandoning for this one.

For your partisan brain sake, Lagos Calabar highway is around 10% of the mark after 37% of the time possibly available to tinubu to be president. Panicky Keyamo. Lol.

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Where is that hypocrite Gbawe?