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basilico:
Why is it that the most advanced societies were from JC culture. Before the Asian tigers, Japan China caught up?
Don't you dare say slavery or colonization. Switzerland Sweden Norway Denmark etc didn't have colonies .

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Stop. I asked you a question. Rewind and address my questions first. It will help you.

Did Rome, Greece and Egypt require the JC culture to advance, flourish and innovate? Did the Chinese require it to invent the many things they did including gun powder, paper, the compass, the seismograph and the blast furnace?

The answer is obvious.

I can only smile at how pedestrian your thinking at that of TV01 actually are. There are advanced academic studies on what drives civilization and innovation and you guys are not even scratching the surface.

basilico:
Victors wrote the history about the golden age of Islam.
I'm glad you recognize that ISIS caliphate broke no Islamic law
My take is that Islam doesn't foster innovation apart from the very obvious like using ox drawn ploughs instead of hoes.

Why you think thousands flocked to Raqqa and ISS.To live in the khilafa under Sharia . Thousands and thousands some from western upper middle class families.
When Khomeini returned to Iran ,within 30 days the Iranian people voted overwhelmingly to be ruled by Sharia.You saw how it worked out for them. Today Muslims in Europe and everywhere else demand Sharia based concessions from the hosts like marrying cousins, halal meat, a muezzin blasting the call to prayer 5 times a day

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Let me help you. Forget about Islam for a minute. Tell me about other cultures. They all invented nothing as well?

The JC culture accelerated rapid development of the west leaving every other culture light years behind.

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How so?

Do you know that there are scientifically sound reasons for the advancement of Europe?

Please your absurdity is giving me a headache. Tell me how exactly the JC culture led to innovation.

Be specific.

And as you do so, let me give you a nugget for thought. When Rome, Greece and Egypt were all light years ahead of back waters like Germania and Britannia, was it on account of religious culture?

Would you be smart enough to spare a thought for their location on the Mediterranean for example?

LordReed:
Left to you MAGAts there be no innovation either. You are turning out to be Christian ISIS.

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Very very very well said.

basilico:
ISIS reenacted how the Caliphs of Islam ruled. Every thing they did was to the letter according to the Quran and hadeeths . Everything law they passed was Islamic Every punishment was Islamic including public beheadings.

Do you think under ISIS there would have been serious innovations from their Caliphate?

That's the bone of contention not about Judeo-Christianity.

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That is certainly not the bone of contention. The bone is whether inventions are limited to JC cultures.
And even a two year old can tell you they are not.
Only lunatics would say they are.

Mind you, while you have limited yourself to Islam, I have spread the net to all other non JC Cultures from antiquity - which covers the real question as framed by the obviously unwell TV01.

LordReed:
Well then the question is stupid because you gave a stupid example with the Quran, which is why when asked to produce such an example with the Bible, you turn around to call it stupid. Blame yourself for the stupidity.

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It terrifies me that they cannot see this duplicity of theirs.

femi4:
looking for engagement as usual

Change your style..this is stale

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Will you shat ap and kneel down at once!

basilico:
I already know you don't want to accept that the JC culture is superior to every other .
You will not make believe that Islam did actually shape the innovation sector to the better. I'm already biased against Islam based on what I know about it .

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And I have already severally denounced the backwardness of Islam.

It does nothing to delete the golden age of its empires.

Again, it does not mean that that age derived from Islamic teaching. It means that Islamic people had a golden age, an age where they flourished leading the known world in advanced thought. It also does not mean that other non Islamic people did not contribute to that, as conquest, assimilation and the mixture of peoples is actually key to development and inventions, to new ideas.

Finally, I am glad you admit your bias as you have also admitted many other things.

Does true repentance necessarily involve belief in Jesus being ritually murdered as a blood sacrifice for your sins?

basilico:
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Entertainers draw crowds.
And make no mistake a serial draft dodger can never be a warrior.

basilico:
About the Bible verses ,I rightly pointed out that was human misinterpretation,not a divine revelation.

Ancient cultures you mentioned had a spiritual culture too that guided their day to day . Hammurabi had an eye for eye punishment.
Egyptians worshiped the sun god and built huge pyramids? Some of those cultures had good things that enabled innovation and creativity and they also had evil things that would land anyone in jail if they was practiced today. Their treatment of conquered subjects was horrible.
Some Africans used to leave their sick in forests to be eaten by hyenas.
Indians used to bury the rulers with their wives as someone pointed out here a few days ago.
The JC is more superior to other cultures, if you care to admit that.

The Islamic culture during those golden ages was exactly like ISIS, Taliban and Al Shabab.

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Makes no sense. If it was, they would not have achieved so much.

Modern evolved culture is superior to barbarism yes. That is modernity. Not JC culture because that included the divine right of kings which led to totalitarianism, feudalism and slavery for example. Also the witch hunts and much more.

cococandy:
I absolutely agree

He said he could shoot someone in the middle of New York’s busiest streets and wouldn’t lose their votes. Every single day, they try their hardest to prove him right

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Turns out he knew what he was saying.

basilico:
You expect the scriptures to show you how to invent a water pump or an EFI engine. Because that's what I've been asked about bible creativity.
Stupid question, stupid answer.
It's the culture encouraged by the scriptures that will lead to innovation.
If the scriptures say the earth is flat ,you are a heretic when you start thinking about launching satellites to orbit the earth

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So tell me about nations and empires before and without the said scriptures. Rome, Greece, etc.

They too didn't have the necessary culture to allow inventions?

What are you smoking?

Besides, you still haven't addressed the verses I provided you with. You keep yapping about flat Earth I have never once mentioned.

Are you stable?

GloriousGbola:
This happened 🤮

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Pitiful.

What is sad here is that this woman will not understand what she is doing. She will not understand that she is saying that it is okay for a president to be so debauched and that it is okay for him to act debauched to women generally.

cococandy:
And claim he’s not racist. Just questioning

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Well, what has been established is that Trumpists dont see anything as racist, no matter how extreme it is. Its a symptom of cults. The steady eagerness to justify and dismiss even the worst things.

It might sound as though i am speaking in hyperbole when i say that i am sure some Trumpists would defend Trump even if he r a p e d their mother or daughter in their presence.

But i am not.

cococandy:
Kirk would’ve found a way to discredit this astronaut even though he has the most masters degrees out of all of them

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One hundred percent sure. In fact they would say all the masters degrees are DEI degrees.

basilico:
No invention should come from scriptures directly, maybe they can get the juices of creativity flowing in an inquisitive mind.
For instance The Quran is not in chronological order,it starts with the shortest verse to the longest verse
Oga,with that you could think of inventing a modular incremental energy storage system. Start with a small capacitor, which then feeds serially into large batteries. You could sell your ESS by its physical length to fit your storage space at home. .How many inches/feet of my ESS do you want? One only needs to measure where to store the ESS ,and a suitable one is selected for him/her.
Oga ,you could call your ESS, the "Q inspired ESS". To avoid someone sizing what machete to use on your neck, you'd never let anyone know what Q means 😀😀😀

So now you see how Islam impedes innovation .

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This post discloses someone who needs urgent assessment and assistance.

basilico:
The bible does not say the earth is flat.
It was left to human interpretation that's my point.

Quran 18:86 is specific. The sun sets somewhere.
"Until, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it (as if) setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. We said, 'O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish (them) or else adopt among them (a way of) goodness.'" (Sahih International)

You cannot challenge anything in the Quran if you love your head sitting on top of the neck.

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Oga can you not read. I repeat, the verses I cited are not discussing flatness at all. So who are you responding to?

In fact, when have I brought up flatness of the earth ever? ? ? ?

I simply gave you a list of verses the church relied on to persecute scientists. On matters such as the movement of the Earth, not its shape.

Gloriously:
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Thank you. Probably according to that low grade hack TV01 the seven wonders of the ancient world never existed!

What madness!
.and the guy goes about with confidence.

TV01:
Have you no depth...is your moniker meant to be entirely ironic !

You have a very limited and ultimately futile toolkit, consisting of,
1. Copy & Paste
2. Avoiding questions
3. Strawmanning positions
4. Slurs
5. Tantrums

I see no depth, no artfully constructed points, no comprehensive analysis. I'll try again, because I like your discomfort !



It did so progressively and as long as it sticks, progress will continue. Nothing else can or has sustainably delivered all of that. At best mimic it to a degree. Where are the nations and empires you mentioned? Why are non-JC nations today mostly lagging - even to mimic .

It's why Nigeria is imploding, Somalia is war-torn and South-Africa is spiralling. The "inherency" required to inculcate the necessary ethos does not exist. Chaos and disarray is the natural state - and too be honest, you like it

ee.slam by it's very nature cannot of itself give rise to meaningful or sustainable innovation. It's contrary to it's design and intent. The golden age you speak of was history written by the victors.

I have noted repeatedly. ee,slam will claim anything in extant, in development or that lands after it conquers a people or territory. Long-term it will be degraded and ee.slam will revert to type - 7th century Arabia. The link you shared, showed that in detail. Did you read it?

The conquered Persian mathematician who forcefully converts to ee.slam will have his invention labelled ee.slam.eek, and himself a moose.slim. Labelled moose.slim does not mean natal to ee.slam. Did moose.slims settle and build Cordoba or Baghdad or Cairo?

Where are your gods .


TV

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Worthless.

A complete non starter.

If you wish to make a proper effort start with these -

1. Address the list of inventions I provided (a hundred) from non Judeo Christian backgrounds.

2. Address the verses in the bible which enjoin the murder of witches and slavery and properly break them down as to why they do not say what they obviously say.

Anything beyond these is just noise.

It will eternally be ridiculous for anyone to claim that only Judeo Christian backgrounds allowed for inventive thought. I mean this is not just ahistorical, it is dim and half witted.

basilico:
The bible does not say the earth is flat. Those are interpretation by people .Those persecuted , why didn't they use this one in defence?
Isaiah 40:22: This is the most commonly cited verse. It states that God "sits above the circle of the earth". The Hebrew word used for "circle" is chug (חוג), which can refer to a circle, vault, or horizon. Some scholars argue this describes the Earth's curvature or a sphere ical shape.

I have this Jehovah witness neighbour He frequently invites me to his church because they follow what the Bible says exactly..Stuff about the cross of crucifixion,last week he invited me for Thursday service because that's the day to commemorate before the death . I have told him outward manifestation is not important,it's your faith that's more important.

The bible is by diverse authors and doesn't claim to be the unchangeable word of the Lord. Unlike Islam ,if any Muslim remotely suggests their prophet was wrong, he faces certain death

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The verses I cited did not discuss the shape of the Earth so you are discussing something else. The point of those verses was to show you that there are several verses which the church used to counter and persecute scientists. You are a weak discussant.

LordReed:
TV01 is one of the better ones, unfortunately when you have to defend something as "wierd" as Christianity you are going to sound insane.

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Claiming that inventions only exist in cultures with a Judeo Christian background is as bad a case as I have ever come across.

Altar no do, you still hammer for poultry farm? Disturbing chickens with vulgarity? Haba, pastor.

LordReed:
First move by whom?

The Portuguese didn't want slavery to end in Japan so I dunno what you mean by Western influence.

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The chap lives in an alternate universe.

He reminds me of the saying that it's better to remain silent and let people think you are a fool than to say something and confirm it.

Because I actually thought this one had something in his head before I became acquainted with his delusions.

TV01:
Christianity first moved to abolish slavery in the 11th century.

Slavery was finally abolished in Japan under Western influence as it modernised. Formally in the 19th century and fully suppressed in the 20th.

There is nothing outside the JC truth as a basis for sustained, enduring and flourishing nations. Second best is to mimic it as Japan has done - aided somewhat by it's ethnic and cultural homogeneity. Now starting to fail.

Outside that nada, nothing, nowhere - as demonstrated by Nigeria' abject failure and South Africa's spiralling backwards after one generation of emancipation from apartheid. Even the post-Christian West is starting to fall apart.

No Christ, no nation, no nothing. His kingdom come.

Keep up .


TV

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I suppose Egypt didn't flourish. Babylon didn't flourish. Assyria never flourished. Persia didn't flourish. Parthia never flourished. China never flourished. Greece never flourished. Rome didn't flourish. Aztec Empire didn't flourish.

None of these nations / empires flourished before or without Judeo Christian teachings.

Oh, I provided one hundred Inventions by cultures outside Judeo Christianity in response to your claim that no inventions exist outside Judeo Christianity. Silence on them, just the same silence as with the verses on slavery. Your satanic verses.

Brother, you should consider medical attention.

TV01:
Beams
Nothing can add it .

If The Son sets you free, you are free indeed.


TV

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What level of delusion is this? Hahahahahahahahahahahahha! Pity!
Live with it bro. Denial dont change it.

TV01:
It's called consistency boyo - try it .

The fact that slavery is mentioned, doesn't mean that slavery is endorsed. In fact the Bible is the most anti-slavery book every - the whole message is about setting human beings free.

I appreciate your need to see slavery in order too underpin your worldview. Evidenced by your refusal to answer any questions or admit your own incorrect biblical exegesis from the very first time I posted a response to this.
https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/5556#137573719


Come, why did the gods of your people, of iron, of thunder of smallpox, not deliver you from slavery and help you invent better gadgets .

He who The Son sets free is free indeed .


TV

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Yawn.

nothing can remove it.

TV01:
I'll afford you the benefit f the doubt this last time. Please read carefully and slowly - several times if required .

No one claimed inventions should spontaneously arise out of what ever anyone considers to be holy text.

The position is that it is the truth of the JC culture that creates the milieu as described in my last post - which has been hidden. To paraphrase below,.

"Only the JC ethos creates the sustainable culture which can deliver full-suite human rights, individual freedoms and civil liberties. Which at once guarantee individual pursuits and free association, formsng the basis for open trade, guilds and capital markets, which drive, innovation, research, scientific inquiry and technological advancement, as well as progressive social welfare programs".

Likewise your mate DeepSight continues to insist that Christianity advocates slavery, and continues to argue that against himself, when the position is the Christian scriptures do not preach slavery. Not that some people who claim to be Christians have not used the bible to justify slavery - no one ever claimed that.

Pay attention sir .


TV

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Repeating yourself a thousand times will not remove the clear slavery endorsing verses from the Bible.

I don't need to shout. It's written there in black and white and nothing can remove it.

bemeruca:
Yes it is reasonable to have 3m votes and still lose. Before Trump it happened 4 times. Hillary has access to the collage as well. It is not madness, it makes perfect sense.

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It makes nonsense of the purpose of elections. It also makes nonsense of the meaning of a democracy. But I have learnt a lot about you and your ilk, so worever.

The US is a constitutional federal Republic not a democracy

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The US is not a democracy? Gotcha.

bemeruca:
How is it a minority victory, in each state, you have to win the majority.

The states come together as a union to decide not a single state.

But tell us your alternative

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There is the possibility that the person with the higher popular votes has less electoral college votes as happened for example between Hilary and Trump.

Do you think it is reasonable that one person should have three million more votes than the other candidate and still be declared the loser? That is madness.

There are alternatives to ensure a spread. Look at the Nigerian option for example. The winner must win at least twenty five percent in two thirds of the states. That ensures the winner is always a person with a national spread.

SmartPolician:
It's a good thing that they gave him a warm reception, but it's obvious that why Tinubu hardly organises press briefing is that he has nothing reasonable to say. Whenever he opens his mouth in public, he says nonsense

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Also he is so damn corrupt that he cannot face serious press questioning.

bemeruca:
Imagine states like New York and California deciding our president.

The electoral collage applies to all so it's fair.
The US is a federal union. The system is designed to balance population power with state based representation.

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There are other ways to balance things out. Any method which allows a minority victory is simply not democracy. Democracy is majority victory with minority rights. Minority victory turns everything on its head.

themanderon:
Let's go back to first principle and ask why should a president be allowed to appoint an iNec chairman to hold an election he will participate in?
It's like a student being asked to nominate his best friend to invigilate him in an exam.
Such should not be allowed in a corrupt cesspit like ours.
That was how Yakubu was wearing Asiwajus cap at a function.
It's time for the opposition to get serious.

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GBAM. This is the core and Koko of the matter. It's madness to allow the president to appoint the umpire for elections. Sheer madness.