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Pastor Kun: Would appreciate more credible suggestions, the irrelevant buhari issue is just an unfortunate distraction.

Deep Sight: @ Demdem, please at least quote and comment with the proper tags.

What do u mean? dont understand u.

As regards our discussion, just answer me this simple question.

1. There is a coup today and GEJ is removed from office

2. Let us assume for the sake of argument that the majority in Nigeria are happy with the coup

3. Should the military officers involved be tried for treason in future or not?

Answer me.


Majority of Nigerians cant be happy with it because times have change. The people are much more exposed, much more knowledgeable and empowered than the 70's and 80's when it was common. The probability that there will be a coup now is much more lower than then so its wrong for u to compare and that's the message have been trying to pass across.

Because of this exposure and change in times, its much more difficult for one general somewhere to succeed. Of cos, if it happens now, such will most likely be tried for treason and punished. Not because it was legal then, but because it was much more acceptable than now. That is a major difference u will have to consider.

Again i state, the times have changed. And that cant be ignored.

Yhemit: Crowe@nyc talk,but let av d faith dat naija NPF stil can CHANGE for Good....lukn forward for a beta NPF this yr....

utumunta: D issue was thrown out on technical grounds a la; issues nt raised at 1st instance cannot be entertained on appeal. We xpected d judgement and it does nt exonerate Oshiomhole, or otherwise, of d allegation.

Deep Sight: There is NO such thing as acceptable treason, PERIOD!

i never said there is. However it passed a message which u u have decided to ignore. Yes it was treason based on our law books but as at then Most Nigerians wanted it. That to me is "acceptable Treason"


And the acceptance of such by the Nigerian population at the time wreaked havoc for 16 years. Period.

Even the acceptance of shagari when he was voted in caused havoc. These are decisions and each country has an history that are meant to fashion the future. It was a trying time for us and not that we have outgrown this, no one hopes to go back to such again. The populace decided what they wanted and they face the consequences. period.

Aside from being illegal.

Look, the mood of a population does not justify such brazen illegality. If GEJ was overthrown in a military coup today (albeit impossible and unlikely) there will be vast swathes of the population who would celebrate. That would not make it either legally or morally right. And yes, it would re.tard the progress of the nation.

I never doubted that. Fine it was illegal but the people (majority) who the law seeks to protect thought otherwise as at then. Dont compare Now to then, its a different ball game entirely. exposures differs and knowledge has now increased.


At all events: the point remains the same: Buhari committed an act of treason and the only reason he has not been tried is the fact that Nigerian Leaders are corrupt, conspiratorial, and fearful.

Yes an "acceptable treason" that form part of our growing phase as a country. it wasnt the best of approach though as it is known to us today. If leaders refuses to try him, am sure citizens like u can claim in the law court that u are affected by the regime can sue him to court

As such, no sensible person should recommend him for public office; you should recommend him for prison.

On the contrast, its only non sensible peeps that will believe nothing good can ever come from him just because he did what the majority of his country men wanted from him despite the fact that it was against the law books.


Do not make me believe you are this dense. The comparison re: apartheid arose from the specific point you made about the support of Western Powers. As such, the question is whether such support validates or exonerates wrongs?

Good to know u arent comparing both apartheid and coups. they arent on the same pedestral however no matter how we want to detest the western powers, they tend to have their ways somehow in developing world even much more as at then. That was the message i was trying to pass across. ur hatred is definately affecting ur comprehension skills.


Again, you miss my innuendo. Far be it from me to discuss you family you I do not know. My innuendo was simply that a man who shows no respect for his society is embarrassing his entire family, period. No offense meant to your literal family, which I was not referring to.

Good to know. There is no disrespect against the society if one's sees a way out of the present mess and suggest such. Knowing fully well that even from the mistakes of the past, there is still something good that could be beneficial for the present. Only u alone and those within ur line of thought thinks otherwise.


He was not the first: but EVERY living person who has done such should be tried, if we have any respect for ourselves. As far as I can recall anyway, the first persons to do such are all dead.

So since they havent been tried, should we live our lives again? are u saying without them being tried there is no hope for us as a country again? I have challenged u to pick up the baton and raise the flag. Initiate the proceedings. u have the right to do so.


And no; I am not blaming him for the excesses of IBB and Abacha.

But u attributed the subsequent 16yrs afterwards to his decision right?


I am simply reminding you that the coup that brought Buhari to power truncated a democratic government. No matter how corrupt that government was, if democracy had continued un-uninterrupted, we would be the better for it today.

And i have also told u that as at then it was a norm that was generally acceptable though illegal not as we have it today. Above all, the govt was for the people, if the vast majority feels that is the destiny they have decided to choose for themselves in their own country what and who is that law made for stop that will stop them. we have learnt from our mistakes and its wrong for u to even conclusively states that we could have been better off if it wasnt truncated. its simply 50-50. a lot of things could have happened chief among which is disintegration.


And the core point remains that he is unqualified to seek democratic office for that simple act.

U are wrong again. Nothing in our law books today disqualifies Buahari from being voted for. Ur hatred cant change that fact.


Much the same way as IBB's annulment of June 12 renders him odious as a presidential candidate under a democracy. If you cannot see this, then like most Nigerians, you have no conscience, judgement or perspective. Period.

Ur Opinion that should be shred completely. in as much as i dislike IBB, if he decides to pick up the ballot today and contest, nothing stops him. Not my hatred or urs. u better wake up to present realities.

By the way, IBB should also be tried for his participation in the coup that brought the democratic government of Shagari to an end. Period.

Sue him to court ursef since our leaders have failed us if u feel its not a futile effort



Nonsense.

If he wasn't a coup plotter then as Head of State, he should have renounced the coup as an army officer and re-instated the democratic government and had the coup plotter tried; no?

u are now beginning to talk like a kid. Renounced a coup in the presence of very powerful coup plotters who did what the majority wants and u still his head will still remain on his neck? Abegii apply wisdom jor.

Again, Dont get me wrong here, am not for coups but as at then, what Buhari did though against the laws of the land was generally acceptable and welcomed. [size=22pt]The law is made for man and not vice-versa.[/size]

Deep Sight: There is no such animal as "acceptable treason." That is an oxymoron, sir.

This isnt English class and my highlighting such suggest such. It was a message i was trying to pass from both words. Yes it was Treason but Nigerians wanted it as at then

Do you really believe that coups were acceptable because Western Powers supported them then? You are a laugh, kind sir.
That is like saying that apartheid was acceptable in the eighties because western powers condoned it.


Nop, and my post didnt suggest such. Read carefully and understand what i meant. The Buhari takeover was unfortunately acceptable to most Nigerians then because they were fed up with the status quo. It wasnt the best of approach as it is known to us now however it was common then as a way out not only in Nigeria but in the whole continent.
Secondly, Apartheid cant be compared to coup. Dont do that

Please dont EVER say that again, for the sake of the respect of your family.

lets be civil please. dont need to bring up ur family to this discussion

The succeeding military governments did not seize power from a democratic government. Buhari did.

But Buhari wasnt the first military man that seize power from a democratic government in Nigeria, was he? And by the way does it matter? is that the reason why he should be blamed for the excesses of IBB, Abacha and Abubakar? I dont think so.


The only reason it has not been done is the same as I earlier pointed out: our collective lack of self respect - and also corruption. Because taking such a step will open a pandora's box of other necessary steps: other former military Heads of State and their families would be affected and they are too influential in Nigeria today for this to happen. Period. Corruption at play.

and what stops u from embarking on this task? Even i doubt if the late Gani Fawehinmi of blessed memory did embarked on such furtile task. abegi, lets face present day realities.


This is why I despise every ruler in Nigeria, including GEJ, who fails to dig into Nigeria's scandalous past and bring all of these thugs to book. If I was president, whilst I am being sworn into office at Eagle Square, the SSS would be arresting EVERY former military head of state, their aides, ministers, et al. Babangida will have to explain even the source of his house in minna. Under the Public service rules, and given his legitimate income as an army officer and even as (illegal) Head of State, he has no explanation for that villa. I would ensure that they ALL spend the rest of their pathetic lives in Prison. Nest of killers that they are.

Good initiative u have there, i hope u become one one day



It is simple: I do not speak simply of coup beneficiaries. I never said so. I said that Buhari has no moral right to benefit from any democratic experiment in Nigeria. Period.

Buhari isnt perfect neither is he a saint but ur moral stance is just to u and those within the same line of thought. As long as u never said Buhari has no "legal" right to benefit then its in order then.
He may not be our best bet however considering our present challenges coupled with our so limited choices that we realisticallyhave, its politically expedient to bring in this lesser evil that has the capability to break us off from the present status quo. By the way, probably for another day, its on record Buhari wasnt a coup plotter but the primary beneficiary of the coup. Ask ur history teacher and u would be told about what transpired.

As for the law: the fact remains simple: AT THE TIME OF THE 1983 COUP, UNDER THE LAWS OF NIGERIA, IT WAS AN ACT OF TREASON. HE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR THAT. PERIOD.

And since no court on th eland has found him wanting as regards this, then he is a clean man and free to vote and be voted for. Since his political rivals feels its not the right way to go, u has private citizen can go ahead then.
Dont get me wrong here, am not for coups but as at then, what Buhari did though against the laws of the land was generally acceptable and welcomed. The law is made for man and not vice-versa.

mukina2: You can use your own words, as long as its in sync with what's being discussed and its not offensive.

There lies the problem. Me think u should have used "ur prerogative". There is no way Demdem can write something on this forum that someone somewhere wont deem it offensive despite the fact that its the truth. so many are born to detest the truth. thats life.

whenever its a breaking news story from one source only,(minus blogs) we do that. Sahara is not singled out and i definitely do not hate them. We do it for others too.



Am sorry i went too far by stating u hated them. Just pulling ur legs. Probably because sahara always brings out these authentic news undiluted most times before any the local channels who may have been bought not to publish such. Anyway, i now understand why most times it affects Saharareporters.
Thanks Alhaja.

Deep Sight: Treason is petty and "ignorable" ? ? ? ? ? ?

It was an "acceptable treason". its on record that the vast majority of Nigerians welcomed the idea unfortunately considering what shagari and his cohorts were doing then. It wasnt the best approach but as at then at least in the African continent considering our level of exposure, it was generally acceptable. Other countries also experienced it. While some may be said to be better for it (Ghana) some werent. its part of our growing phase. The way coups are seen now and treated now at this day and age cant be compared to then so its wrong on ur part to see it the same way. Even world powers were known to encourage coups then, do they now? If Buhari still believe in Coups, why should he still be contesting. Abegii, that time has past. by the way, that wasnt the only reason u gave that made it really petty and ignorable.

This alone shows exactly why we have a long way to go in this country.

Ur opinion. its perfectly in order.

You actually regard the illegal take-over of a democratic government which leads to 16 years of military rule to be "petty and ignorable" ? ? ?

Wow. Just wow.

And how was he responsible for the 16years? Its even on good record that infact, his government was much more responsive, disciplined and prudent when compared to subsequent military regimes and even the shagari regime he overthrew. Like i said earlier, it wasnt as criminally unacceptable then unlike now that its a taboo even though it was in our law books. It was illegal fine but that exactly was what the majority wants as at then.


That is incorrect. Under the laws at the time of the 1983 coup, that act was Treason. Thus, he can, and should still be tried for that act.

Look, considering his numerous enemies that abound out there against this man, what will it take them to go to court to receive an injuction barring him from contesting because he once benefitted in a coup plot if its possible at all?
What i said which u refuted wrongly was nothing in our laws presently prevents former coup beneficiaries from benefitting from any democratic setting, if u know of any in our law books kindly fish it out for all to see. What i said still remain.

SmartTalk: Nah! Does have to be. That is the purpose of a referendum. The parts of the East that choose not to go with Biafra can stay with whatever remains of Nigeria. Biafra does not need excess and unnecessary baggage.

vanstanzy: I have him, he's been held hostage at my bunker and i demand a ransom of 500 million for his safe release.

Just 500Million naira for a whole governor. U are so cheap

Noblechyk: Dis is d political scenario in Enugu state. D Deputy senate president is eyeing d seat come 2015. D speaker house of assembly is also interested. D chief of staff is reserved for a senatorial seat. If Onyebuchi becomes d substantive governor, d above mentioned interest would b undermined. Presently d state is run by d speaker & d chief of staff. I was in d company of my uncle 3 days on a visit 2 d member representin our constituency, enugu south (rural). She told my uncle dat d law makers & d commissioner's had a teleconference with chime but said he wil stil not return even by feb. Dat part i don't understand. Wat i think is dat d governor is incapacited hence impeachment plot agains d deputy a month ago dat later failed.

ledafaze: Yeah... to small but with a BIG MicroSD like 16 or 32GB, u can install an application called Swapper Configuration from the market and with that, you can add extra 2 gig or memory to ur ROM

I use Sony Ericsson Shakira... with 128MB that I bought new like 2 yrs ago and with swapper, Fill in the gaps jare.. i dey enjoy am like anything with Ice Cream Sandwich... a custom rom... whao!

mukina2: Like the other debe ojukwu thread, for the sake of clarity, Topic titles should be in sync with the subject being discussed. The chime thread, was turned into a question because you do not know for certain if he was kidnapped or not.

Please let this matter rest now.

taharqa: Smtimes @Demdem, i swear you behave as a KID, a naive scared one. You smhow bliv dat this name-calling Game that is going on here on this thread means ANYTHING, now or in d long run. You actuali bliv dat... Pity

saintohia: Pat Utomi / Donald Duke

Saint Ohia / Fashola ( though Fashola must hands-off Tinubu & ....)

With Buhari given EFCC to run.

akintun: Dis man has not even spent two years in d office, and u all want to kill him. I sincerely don't have an opinion on d president now, becos I believe he his been undermined by some politicians. In 15 months, I should be able to have an opinion on d presidio.

Pastor Kun: It seems the buhari gang are gloating here, despite my regrets about Jonathan I would still vote for him ten times before I vote for buhari who I consider to be a very tribalised religious fanatic who has absolutely nothing to offer Nigeria. People continue to deceive themselves that buhari is capable of fighting corruption, they forget that in 1983 when he did it he was wielding military power and ruling by decree which made it easier. Today it's much more complex and buhari would not know were to start from. Asides that people also forget that it was Idiagbon who was effectively in charge and not the dummy called buhari. Lastly I keep on wondering how buhari who could not curtail corruption in a small organisation like PTF want to curb in a much bigger and far more complex entity like Nigeria.

jp philips: [color=#990000]point of correction, there has been power spending from 1999 however, the NIPP was inaugurated in 2003. most of the projects that were funded before the NIPP are equally referred to as NIPP projects an example is

the AES barge project in egbin which was completed in 2001,firing about 270mw, funding was released around 99 or so, but today we include AES as part of the NIPP, this is so because the NIPP master plan not only covered generation plants but also distribution and upgrade for existing ones.
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afam4eva: 4) Buhari: I voted for this man in 2011 because i didn't see status quo written on his forehead. He's his own man and not tied to anybody or any political structure. Infact he's a Maverick. He can do and undo. He's someone that can turn Nigeria's situation for the better or for the worse. He's a no nonsense person with an authoritarian background. A vote for Buhari is a vote for the destruction of the status quo.

Deep Sight: One of the problems of Nigeria is the fact that its people have no sense of morality, justice, propriety and honour. Buhari may be a disciplined figure, but he lacks every moral right to ever seek to benefit from, or participate in any democratic government in Nigeria, much less be a democratic president. The simple reason is the fact that he truncated the democratic 2nd Republic through a military coup: an act of treason which took this country 16 solid years of military rule to reverse.

donroxy: Obasanjo was also put on his toes!!!

Truckpusher: send the pm boy! it's confidential nobody is gonna get hurt...just send it don't be steupid ur far way smarter than typing craps on NL...c'mon ! Give it a try

Demdem: Crap.

jp philips: [color=#000099]@ GEN BUHARI

i don't like people who read articles written by thieves to bamboozle the public on Non performing governments.

I asked you to list power plants that has been completed by Jonathan's administration and you wrote a press release.

in case you failed WAEC, i am a very precise person, if i ask questions, give answers, to give you a head's up, here are a list of Nigeria's thermal and hydro plants that benefited from the NIPP either through upgrade or construction from scratch and tell me whose brain child it is.

that reminds me, Elumelu investigated the NIPP and told gullible Nigerians like you that the money was embezzled without anything on ground abi?? later the contractors accused him of collecting bribe from them, he was later indicted and disgraced. such are the press release Gen buhari is showing me.

Gen Buhari, tell me where these power plants came from and year of commissioning


AES barge located at Egbin generates 270mw completed in 2001, project lasted 3yrs...whose brain child was it? your father?

AFAM iv to v, of course afam 1 to 4 was commissioned in 1976 but no longer operational, another 4 to 5 was constructed at a capacity of 350mw, in 2002 a new afam of 726mw appeared in 2002. whose brain child was it?? your father??

ALAOJI power station in AbA, still under construction,expected to be upstream 2014, project start date 2006, whose brain child?? your father

CALABAR Power station

generates 6.6mw commisssioned in 2006, it includes 3 turbines, whose brain child?? your father

EGBEMA power plant

expected to deliver 336mw by end of 2013, project start date, august 2005, whose brain child?? your father??

EGBIN Power plant

Egbin Thermal Power Station Egbin Gas-fired steam turbine 1320 MW Operational 1985-1986 Has six 220-MW independent units.Egbin - Thermal Power Station in Egbin, final upgrade feb. 2007,

whose brain child?

IBOM power plant in Ikot abasi, commissioned in 2009, project start date, august 2005. whose brain child?? FGN/Akwaibom state govt.

ihovbor power station benin city

under construction, expected to deliver 450mw of electricity by 2013, project start date; 2006. whose brain child?? your father??


okpai power station: produces 480mw of electricity, commissioned in 2005, whose brain child??

olorunsogo power plant: produces 336mw of electricity, commissioned in 2007, whose brain child

Olorunsogo 2 power plant, expected to deliver a whooping 750mw, will be fully operational in dec. 2012 project start date;
may, 2006 whose brain child

Omoku power plant, delivers 150mw built and commissioned in 2005 by rockson engineering, whose brain child??


Sapele power station:

began operation in 1978 first upgrade commissioned in 1981, generating 225mw, final upgrade, started in 2007, expected to deliver a whooping 450mw by 2012, whose brain child was the upgrade your father

GEREGU power plant: delivers 414mw commissioned in 2007, whose brain child?? your father??

Omotosho power plant: fires 335MW of electricity, commissioned November 2006


oloronshogo: operated by Nigeria and Chinese government fires another 335MW in ogun state, completed 2009, project start date may 2005, whose brain child your father??


ughelli power plant:

commissioned in 1966, produces 60mw, upgraded to 360mw in 2012,upgrade start date 2008, whose brain child? YARADUA


KANO power station:

expected to deliver 100mw by 2015, project start date, FEB 2012 whose brain child?? JONATHAN

Zamfara, kiri, 100mw and 50mw respectively, due date; 2012 and 2016 brain child: JONATHAN.

Now with this facts on the ground, most of them i have visited myself, no si!!y press can tell me that obasanjo embezzled the NIPP projects.

if you think otherwise, kindly tell us where all these plants came from.

@ Gen Buhari

i ask you again, tell me one single power plant started by Jonathan from scratch and commissioned, just one, he was close to commissioning the Zamfara 100mw but since NNaji left, nothing is going on there.

please don't give me si!!y press release of these projects, i have the addresses of the ones i have visited during a tour of NIPP projects.

i will paste it later so you can go touch it your self. now, answer my questions.

obasanjo as a corrupt person may have inflated the said contracts and did some shaddy deals no doubt but OBJ is the reason Nigeria is close to having steady electricity.

jp philips: Thank you for recognizing that NIPP was OBJ's brain child and he is the reason we are close to having steady electricity.
during my tour of the NIPP i knew this day will come, not long ago, i visited yaba left to send relief materials to the inmates, i ran into a desperate man called Gen Buhari.
he told me that OBJ embezzled all the NIPP funds without a single block on the ground. all efforts to convince him otherwise with proofs of the ones ive seen myself proved abortive.

excerpts our discussion.


[url]https://www.nairaland.com/1134045/obasanjo-cant-stop-criticizing-jonathan/6 [/url]

Genbuhari is a nutcase no doubt.
Only the very foolish will say otherwise as regards NIPP. Infact its interesting to note that this Geregu plant in question has since been commisioned by OBJ as far back as 2007. Availability of gas has always been one of the main challenge.