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11.

How old was Aisha(one of the Prophet's wives) when she was married? And is this something to be emulated?

tbaba1234 continues-

There is no short answer to this so i will give a long one if you don't mind,

The age of A’ishah, daughter of Abu Bakr, when she married the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is something that has only recently become controversial. The traditional account is that the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old, which naturally appears strange, if not uncomfortable, to many in a modern, western context. Hence, some recent Muslims (of varying levels of intellectuality, motivations and scholarly qualifications) have re-visited the sources. They have discovered some evidence in the classical historical texts, and reinterpreted the traditionally adduced narrations, to suggest that A’ishah may actually have been older (with various ages suggested). My aim is not to analyze the arguments for and against a young marriage age for A’ishah, but rather to contextualize the entire discussion with a bird’s-eye view that remains intact regardless of which view (if either) an individual chooses to commit to.

The first (and most) important point to note is, as indicated above, is that the controversy is a relatively recent one. The Prophet’s own contemporaries took no issue with the Prophet’s marriage to A’ishah; it was not problematic in their eyes. This includes both his disbeliever antagonists and his believing followers. Certainly, his antagonists were ever eager to discredit him, and the Qur’an itself records details of this. They accused him of being a sorcerer, a madman or a soothsayer. Yet they did not attempt to discredit him on the basis of his marrying a girl too young for him. Neither in the Qur’an nor in any historical source is there any mention of such an objection having been raised, despite the fact that these sources do mention numerous other strategies used by the Prophet’s opponents.

So, if the Prophet’s contemporaries did not object to A’ishah’s age of marriage, then we conclude with certainty that her age was within the norm. Logically, this in turn implies one of two things: either it was acceptable, in 7th century Arab culture, for older men to marry younger girls (even as young as 9), or the reason for their non-objection was that A’ishah was in fact older. Once again, my aim here is not to prove one or the other, but to put the whole issue in perspective. The age of A’ishah is not a central tenet of Muslim faith, nor should it eclipse the core message and teachings of Islam. Muslims contemplating the issue of A’ishah’s age might find it beneficial to recall that; ‘Part of the excellence of a person’s Islam is his/her leaving aside what does not pertain to him/her.’

Non-Muslims would serve themselves better by contemplating the Prophet’s teachings of monotheism and righteousness, and the Book he presented as God’s revelation, rather than dwelling on what is, at most, a socio-culturally historical oddity.

Hence, without necessarily putting the two possibilities (regarding A’ishah’s age) on equal footing, and without stifling those who wish to delve deeper into the scholarly (and sometimes non-scholarly) arguments on either side, it is sufficient for the Muslim to defer the issue to God, saying, “I believe whichever of the two is the truth before God.” There are many more useful and pressing issues for us to occupy ourselves with.

The Catholic Encyclopedia observes about the Virgin Mary (peace be upon her) that, “it is possible that Mary gave birth to her Son when she was about thirteen or fourteen years of age.”In Shakespeare’s classic play Romeo and Juliet, Juliet was only thirteen, yet her mother tells her that “ladies of esteem” younger than her are already mothers.According to the “Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society,” both Christian Canon law and European civil law considered seven years as the age of consent, but judges in medieval England would approve marriages based on mutual consent at ages even lower than 7. As recently as the nineteenth century, ages of consent of 13 to 14 were common in Western countries. Now, we are responsible for acting in accordance with our conscience, and our own societal norms may well factor into this, but it may be a bit presumptuous to pass judgment on people of the past and future, and those of other cultures. People in the future may well look on some of our mores as bizarre.

The bottom line is: God knows best about all the details of things. And, it remains well-established that Islam’s central message is one of monotheism, decency and morality. It is to this that our energies can be more profitably devoted.

It was probably acceptable in a different socio-cultural environment, not now,

10.

Do you think that Sharia law is an adequate legal system in this modern world?


tbaba 1234's Response-( https://www.nairaland.com/802617/questions-muslims-those-want-know#9551032



Yes I do. The sharia law encompasses all aspects of law: family law, criminal law, an economic system, civil law: It is all encompassing. A lot of the negative impressions of the sharia is based on a lack of information on the legal processes of the sharia.

Paschal007: Ok o.

Could please remove pen might's no.3 answer to kuylie question? I don't think it's succinct and apt enough. How can you tell someone not to question the rationality of their belief and just believe blindly? It's not encouraging for prospective converts especially the female ones. My opinion though.

If you have a succinct answer, post it and I will add it to the previously provided one. But I doubt that you do.

hadizadeezy: jummmat fadeeel

same to u

9.

From Kulyie

furthermore is it ok for a man or woman to have tattoos on his body?


PEn MIGHT's response-

Tattooing is prohibited by consensus in Islam. It is a form of unlawful changing of what Allaah has created and made perfect by His wisdom. It falls under the same heading with all sorts of 'fakery' we find in our society today. It is prohibited just like making artificial gaps in teeth, wearing wigs,cosmetic surgery, skin bleaching etc.

Ibn Umar relates that the Holy Prophet cursed the maker and wearer of wigs and the tattooer and the one who is tatooed(Bukhari and Muslim). Allah condemned such as the ploys of the devil.

He says- " They invoke beside Him none but lifeless objects;and they invoke none but Satan,the rebellious one,whom Allah cast away.He said to Allah: I will surely take a fixed portion from your servants,and will lead them astray,and will exit in them vain desires,and will incite them to slit off the ears of cattles and TO ALTER ALLAH's CREATION". Q 4 vs 118-121

olawalebabs: the mods should look into the case of sticked thread on this section. Threads that worth it will always remain.

You should be clear. which thread? the singles?, hadith of the day?

Argh!!!!!!! srzly?

Audhubillahi oooo.

While amnesty might be a preferred solution, it would not have been perfect even by the laws of the Qur'an. Isn't killing to be met by death under the Islamic law? The right thing would be to have them killed for having killed others.

But like I have always said, whatever would bring PEACE is a wise move. If amnesty would, we should embrace it.

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@honeric01, I was thinking in d same line. But scientists are trained to choose their study population in a way that may be representative of the general population.

Getting a hold of d research paper to see the methodology may be a good idea.

But if science is right

and tbaba deserted d thread

AbdH: *clears throat* You may wish for another now.

wetin be ya own.

It makes so much sense.

Inter sectoral partnership has been seen as one of the tools in combating any harmful cultural practice and in promoting health.

The roles of religious leaders is therefore never over emphasised.

Also using terms and scenarios that the people can easily identify with are helpful.

Telling them to abstain because God says so may ring a louder bell than because they could get Aids.

I don't believe this story. So, help me out!

First, hurting yourself in this way cannot be called Islamic. or let me say, you will have to prove it as allowed in Islam. In fact deliberately hurting yourself is haram - d reason smoking is disallowed and suicide totally hell-leading.

Some attribute suffering to piety and this kind of just goes in line with that.I don't agree with it either.

Finally, I would appreciate that you provide d source to this story...

where was I when logo companies were being floated??

nitori kini?

It isn't impossible actually.


It must definitely take two to tango. So if two people are ready for it, why not.


It may not have happened because not many people have participated on this thread.There aren't so many to choose from.

I have seen threads about people who got married on NL. One happening here would not be a bad idea even though it is not the main aim of the thread.

No. I dont have hard palms. The hand creams help me get rid of cuticles on my finger nails..and of course, the palms get well moisturised and are softer than usual.

My feet on d other hand do require long processes anyway.

[quote author=ify's world]Steam ur hand then use a good exfoliating scrub. Wash it off with warm water, slather on a good mosturiser, oil, shea butter or good old vaseline. Put on a cotton gloves and leave overnight. Voila, to a baby soft palms. U can try same to ur feet. Hope it helps.[/quote]I have to try this. I buy hand creams and foot scrubs but if this works, I'd be saving money.

Thanks for sharing

deSika: sis, tnks for this opportunity to ask
my question is
1.is it wrong to represent islam with the moon and star.
2.is it wrong thing in islam to build a mosque on the site where other peolpe had their own holy building
3. whats ur view of the quran. is it the verbatim true word of Allah and is it complete (contains everything Allah wants us to know and should not be added to)

Your question would be answered soon in sha Allah.

Paschal007: The answers are not debatable?

You can post whatever you don't agree with here in form of questions...and they would be answered in sha Allah.

tbaba1234: This thread is a duplication of this: https://www.nairaland.com/802617/questions-muslims-those-want-know

It took a lot of effort to keep that thread running for as long as it did, i am sure you can probably get some useful answers from there.

I mentioned in the Op that questions would be drawn from pre existing threads which shows that I am aware they exist. Yours is one of them.

But this is different from yours and not a duplicate like you said because the questions and answers were on the same thread and derailments happened unlike what is happening on the answers thread that is locked, preventing any form of derailing.

The essence of this is not to make yours insignificant. I am sure there are people who may prefer it or search and find it, etc

The answer thread is d main thing with the aim of putting all in one and without any unnecessary arguments, etc

I didn't even leave to come and finish later like I used to.

and at d beginning, I thought this was going to speak to me..hehe

Yes! Let Muslims be Muslim..God help Us.

JUJU has recruited more chauvinists for this thread. smh


I hope none of u is like this for real.

[quote author=Okija_juju]@ Bolded: I couldnt agree more with you on that!! This OP eye go shine when she lose this nice man to a more respectable woman.

@ Second paragraph: I pray he never finds another woman like the OP. She sounds like a malicious, manipulative and controlling woman. May better and finer babes come the way of that young man in Jesus Name!! AMEN!!!

Bia!! Did you just advice her to stop carrying out her responsibilities to the man?! NA WAH O!! Why not advice her to just break-up the relationship at once instead of occupying another womans space?!


Na wah for Nairaland advice o!![/quote]what makes him a nice man?

slimyem: Okija juju and Richfella are just trolling on this thread.They are better ignored!!

A day shall come when the poor will have nothing else to eat but the rich.

People don't know the value of what they have until they lose it.

the guy may never get a woman to treat him this way again.

Op should also respect herself and not go sleeping with and washing, cooking, etc for someone she is not married to.

[quote author=Okija_juju]Typical woman!!!


Why cant you bet that the new girl does not behave as badly as the old?!

Instead of advicing her to learn how to be a good woman, you are encouraging her to break-up with a man that dosent cheat on her or even beats her.

I hope you will still be there to be advicing her on break-ups when she is 60 and still single. [/quote]So not beating a woman is now a standard? shouldn't that be normal?

Nothing in d Op says she is a bad woman. She is in fact overdoing the goodness. Nothing to advise her on in that regard.

There is no way I would make a washer woman for someone I am not married to. NEVER.

In fact, she should be d epitome of a girl being real good to a man. If he cannot reciprocate d goodness, he doesn't deserve her and should be sent packing