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Oga,
The simple question is :WAS THERE ANY MARRIAGE BETWEEN PERO AND INNOCENT IDIBIA?
If there was any,(Traditional, Court or any recognized by law) let us know.
Marriage is not about assumptions. It's a deliberate thing.

babaolofin:
I just came across this topic where youths exhibit youthful exuberance.

While it is good for matured mind to look the other way, but for Chief Jide Adeniyi, a man of means,repute and inter networking , someone may say few words.

Three children in Africa tradition and you are talking about baby mama. Tuface father and family can never say a woman with three children for their son is not their wife.

Whatever happened in Dubai or at Calabar was just Nollywood Stars celebrations of Youthful exuberance. It was a marital carnival celebration. A marriage conducted by polygamist.

In a legal marriage, any other child or children is / are termed illegitimate child or children or children born out of Wedlock. Can Anne or whatever her name called the three children or other child illegitimate ? For your information, from experience, Tuface and Idibia's family recognized those children as Tuface children without any act of illegitimacy whatsoever. Three children and relationship that spanned over a decade or almost two decades is not just baby mama in Africa tradition. Benue (Idoma, Tiv, Igede) cannot call such relationship baby mama. When those children become adults is when the real issue begins. If Sir Louis Phillips Ojukwu had lived longer, can his legally married wife called Dim Chukwuemeka Ojukwu (Ikemba) mother a baby mama in the presence of Ikemba ? Never.

She cannot stop Innocent from visiting her children or stop the children from seeing their father.

The Dubai party and Calabar Carnival have just come to an end and the Juju has finished its work. They should go and renew the Juju and the witchcraft covenant. I will come back later.

No mind them.
I would have ignored them but to carry those nonsense come Church, which is supposed to be a ground and pillar of truth, vex me

Munzy14:
As in eeeh....

Some naked women no fit make diick move pim!..

Some ladies are equally moved by sight of a man she is interested in...A babe i ones dated was open to tell me my unclothed body arouses her...Now isn't that being moved by sight?

Like you said, people generalise falsehood alot.

Kindly oblige us with the part of Yoruba land you are talking about.
Besides, so they are married because he considered them married?

wirinet:
In Yoruba culture, it's not until you do big wedding in church or Dubai that you are considered married. Ordinarily giving a woman "belle", she is already considered your wife, not to talk of borning 3 children for you.

Besides, 2face must have brought his people to see the old man. Whether it is for marriage proper or engagement, the old man has considered them married. He said, 2face went to marry another woman after marrying his daughter. Polygamy is very common in Yoruba culture and is not seen as a big deal.

I wonder where they get those ideas from. That's how some women will be telling us who men are.
That you are a womanizer doesn't mean other men are.
I remember a Sunday school session some years ago, where someone said women aren't moved by sight and that all men are moved by naked women. Imagine?
I stood up and reminded them that a man will only be moved when he sees what he's interested in and craves for . Even some womanizers would be turned off if they see some naked women.
Again, it's an illusion that women aren't moved by sight.
People go just read one book and wee just be parroting falsehoods

Munzy14:
Not all men fancy womanizing bro....Yes all men are believed to be polygamous in nature, but not all will follow that even if he has got the resources to.

But this Papa funny o...
Na so marriage dey happen?
She said he loves him and he said he "wanted to" marry her.
Is that equal to marriage?
Wetin people don turn marriage to, I no understand again.

If he was married to your daughter and you watched him marry Annie with pomp and fanfare... No complaints?

Hmmmn..
It's easy to call him a fool but do you think you know what's happening more than Uduak?
I don't support him disowning the sister but I believe it's a subtle message.
Did you read him saying "no one should contact me about the issue"?
He must have spoken to the sister in private but Annie would have disregarded him.Prolly because she has "arrived" or she's the one feeding him.

She must have told him to leave her and treated him as nobody (as many have dubbed him here on NL).
The guy, like many men with ego, decided to dissociate himself from the "goddess" that provides for him.

Two things I perceive
1.He wants her to know he can be independent and
2. he doesn't support her actions

Away from that,
Principled men don't personalize things. If they believe, for example, that it is wrong to do something; they'd never bend the rules because you are their brother, sister, townsman etc.

frankson1:
The Uduak of a goat is a big fuuuul. Fight for your sister first and ask questions afterwards. Family is family.

He should be ashamed of himself.

Na wa for you o.
So is Tuface a Yoruba man?Or is he legally married to Pero?

Imagine, she's entitled to EVERYTHING he has as a babymama.

Stop misleading people abeg.

If this is truly Yoruba culture, there'll be no need for marriage. Just get pregnant for a random guy and be automatically called his wife.

RiyadhGoddess:
In Yoruba land, a woman who has a child for a man is no longer regarded or referred to as Ale - Concubine, She is now a wife. Forget religion and western culture now. She will be referred to as wife once she have a child for the man whether they are married or not


Also such woman is entitled to everything the man owns, she is entitled to attend family meetings and events etc let alone a woman who had a whole 3 children for a man!

So much debate...
I know it may be unethical for him to spill the beans.
However, I know the man can no longer be silent seeing the wanton killing enabled by a government that swore to protect us. He sure knows more than what is published and reported. He knows the implications of coming out to say what he said.
What he said is no secret to many observers.
The government is only embarrassed that he came out to say what he said.
How can any normal human support what is going on in Nigeria?
For those talking about authorization to say what he said, how is he different from our public servants, Buhari inclusive, who would do things without recourse to the rule of law? Why won't they lead by example?
I don't worry much about the massive corruption in government but WHY THE KILLINGS AND LIES?

I think more brave Nigerians would still speak up.
Things won't continue this way.
Imagine ,Wasting lives because of religion.

Kudos Prof. Olawunmi, you've just shown patriotism.
You owe Nigerians the truth even if it means dying.
You, for me, are a real soldier who isn't afraid to die for a just cause.

Not those Cowards lying and protecting killers of those who they promised to secure.

As much as i pity the guy,
I see the futile attempts by some people to defend homosexuality. Someone even said he/she wants to educate us.
First, Homosexuality is abnormal NO grammar can change that.
Besides, asking for people to tolerate abnormalities as norms makes it more dangerous. It is confusion and unnatural for a lady to desire sexual intimacy with another lady. Same for a man to burn with lust towards another man.

Let's just oblige those who see their genes as the culprit. They claim they were born that way.
OK..
If you were born with a tumor, would you choose to live with it all your life when you can get help and have it removed?
Or
If you discovered very early in life that you have the urge to steal.Will you resign to "fate" and say I WAS BORN A THIEF?

All the story of THAT IS HOW I WAS BORN is a lie.
There's is usually a wrong exposure to sex which leads to unhealthy sexual cravings.

I don't want to bring in the spiritual angle...Because sexual desires can be unnatural too. Just as you can't explain how a guy with a beautiful wife would be seduced by an ugly and dirty prostitute.

If something is telling you that you are homosexual , never agree with it.
If you find yourself struggling, then you need help.
Psychological counseling won't help...
Trying to rationalize it won't work either.
Cry to God to help you. Many who were trapped in homosexuality have been helped. Jesus is the way out.

STRUGGLES INDICATE YOU NEED HELP...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz9uAP3Y-mg

After watching this interview, my respect for Gov.Ortom quadrupled.
It takes courage and selflessness to speak the truth.

I noticed the interviewers couldn't ask much questions because it was obvious Ortom was saying the truth.
I mean, it will take a heartless individual not to be moved by the ordeal of Benue people.
Imagine, They even prevented him from seeing Buhari.

One thing that humans easily forget is that NO MAN can boast of living till the next 60seconds.
If you like carry AK-47 or be President, You can't add one minute to your life. No Man is God.

LilMissFavvy:
The last time I was curious enough to read about the causes of marriages collapsing, infidelity was the number reason, not submission, so this people can continue to spew whatever they wish, the only thing that bothers me is that they never preach LOVE/SUBMISSION hand in hand, as Bible recorded it. Yes, I believe in man loving his wife and wife submitting as Bible mentioned, but what these preachers preach is not complete, I see them as preachers who just want to garner the attention of men with reasons best known to them, my opinion anyway.

I'm glad you know the Truth.
However, as believers in Christ, do your part even if the other hasn't started.
God rewards obedience and will definitely deal with the other party.
Bible aside, it's easier to win a man with your submission than him winning you over with his love. Love no be beans o.
Hope you know the woman isn't exempted from loving the husband too? The Love demanded from the man is at the level of Christ for the Church. Not all those romeo and Juliet ting

onlyhope:
Well, at this information age, no employer shd just make an employment without reason. I wouldn't have replied, but so that all of us can learn and keep learning.... I discovered recently why there's no job in Nigeria because all of us are doing the same thing. I can graduate as an engineer and do the work of a receptionist and vice versa because we rarely train for special skills in Nigeria.
When I check websites abroad, there're always jobs. Why? Because they have specific problems they want to solve. Now back to the issue....
Let's assume the vacancy is for a web developer with javascript coding knowledge with laravel framework, jquery, etc. You as a developer can do the work with swishmax and Php or Flash. And you now came for the interview, you want me to employ you? The people/interviewers asking him know what they are doing jare. If I'm a senior developer looking for a junior developer to work with, we must be able to work with the same codes (By the way, I'm not a developer).

Agreed they know what they are doing but telling them the tools and framework used should be enough.
If you want to test him along his claims you are welcome but which one be "gerrout" because hin no show dem the codes?
Employers should learn to value budding developers and stop acting like everything depends on them.
An amiable and smart employer can easily get those codes and more from the guy.
One thing you forgot to add to why jobs are "surplus" abroad is that they value you before your services.

onlyhope:
Hi, you were wrong! The fact that you told them the applications you used does not mean that they will or they can do it like you would. Let me give you an instance here right now OK. I used Figma, html5, Adobe InDesign, Adobe Photoshop, Dreamweaver CS5, CSS and Bootstrap to design the website. What did this take away from me after telling you just now? Job seekers, you guys will just be turning an easy task to another complex issue. Well, I believe you're still young sá. All the best.

Hmmn...but did you read where he said "...application and the codes"
If they love his work, why not employ him first?
Or better still give him a similar task to see if he can do what he claimed is his.

Funny you...
I wonder why "U.K or whatever" is the standard for some people.Why won't you be a standard for them?
Though, we are not here to debate countries but some Londoners would gladly work for some Nigerians domiciled here.
Do I expect everyone to understand what I wrote? No

kingxsamz:
Abeg shift.
Tell this gibberish about "spirit man" to an average person in the UK and you'll see how clownish you'd look. Dem no carry the thing for head. They don't even understand what you're talking about, but yet dem still better pass your country wey people dey enter spiritual realm to control the physical.

Kikikiki...You have a point but that's just a small piece of the puzzle.
Technology or not, you cannot wipe out Israel. I'm sure you know that Israel won't be saved because of their technology?

PotatoSalad:
My brother, forget spiritual backing or whatsoever. Without iron Dome or those isreali sophisticated weapons, it'll be raining 4th of july there everyday.
It's like not studying for your exams cos pastor don pray for you and told you that you'd pass.
You'll chop carryovers with egg sauce

You think other countries don't have intelligent thinkers?You think they are not researching to wipe out Israel?
Oga, it's not just book, determination, or research. There's an insight and a spiritual backing.
There is a spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty gives him understanding... Job 32:8-9
The spirit controls the physical bro.
Are we saying people shouldn't work or think? No.

But you must realize there are some solutions you can't get from school books or human experience. Many innovations don't start with piecing things together. The inventors have seen things that their peers can't see and considered impossible.

Even Those terrorists trying to islamize Nigeria don't just depend on their guns. Those terrorists would be defeated not because we have guns but There's a God who rules in the affairs of men.
What do you think would happen if Shekau , if he's still alive, wakes up one day mad and decides to detonate a bomb so that all his fellow jihadists would go and meet the promised 72 virgins? That of course is beyond technology.
Boko haram as it were, is a product of an Islamic ideology. For them, it's a spiritual duty.

Summary,
Technology is a product of science. Science is simply organized knowledge. If your spiritman is sick, it'll affect your knowledge and technology. We have intelligent lunatics but are we safe with them?
Finally,
Man is more of a spirit.. The earlier we get that, the better for all of us.

PotatoSalad:
Imagine isreal believed on only fasting and prayers will improve the condition of their country, the Palestinians would have had a field day last month.

I bu onye isu na nbogu?

NwaAmaikpe:



All filmtricks.

Baba is receiving him at Asorock.
I hope he told our darling daddy that asides disgruntled members like 'Owelle' and a few Onicha-Olona touts that followed him to APC, his support base has been completely won over by the Ajudua political dynasty.

Quite shameful that he had to wait for the state's PDP to suspend him for anti-party activities before he had the balls to show he's been a traitor.

Peter will leave the Senate by 2023 for you know who, but does not want to be retired... So he now decided to decamp to APC to serve as Omo-Agege's deputy in 2023, but 'o ga e-me ya voom n'anya'.

APC's grip in Delta State is as strong as that of an 80year old man suffering from stroke.

ibedun:
Here we go again, NONSENSE!!!

When will stupid Nigerian people realise that we are the government? Why is it that your useless uncle and his equally stupid neighbours are willing to stand by while helping people to steal OUR COLLECTIVE resources? And they all standby like cowards suffering and wallowing in underdevelopment and poverty in silence?

You can make your point without calling his/her uncle useless.

Imagine someone talking about why we must take beef and milk from them as if others can't import better breeds and rear them down south.
What's the big deal about ranching in the North? Can't grasses be grown there?
Most of these problems are avoidable but some just want to spill blood.
You need not tell us about why we must take beef. People rear goats, snails,fish and can survive if you don't disturb their farms.
It's annoying for someone to be telling another freeborn what he MUST eat as if we are in an Emirate Asylum.

I know there are wonderful Fulanis but I think the violent ones amongst them are those with the agenda of Uthman Dan Fodio and they have their accomplice in the South who don't see anything wrong in the massacre of innocent lives just because you want to islamize Nigeria.
If it's not wickedness, do you need the whole length of Nigeria to rear cattle?
Unfortunately, the outcome will surprise them all.

Bros, that's a nice initiative BUT would you play Second half before playing the first? The RUGA idea must be resisted first,then if they need to graze down south, then that can come up.
I don't understand how people value cows more than human lives.

olawonder:
Meat that are born, fed and raised on Southern soil and feeds are technically not the Fulanis’! Those who negotiating grazing laws are not smart at all... what they should be insisting on is that Fulanis pay for the fields by way of rent and when the cattle grow to certain size, should pay state taxes in the state in which the cattle are farmed... because at the moment its like we are paying to buy what rightly belong to us in the first place!

HappyPagan:
Yes Sir, God is interested in your heart. It is The man of God that is interested in the other things.


Your tithes and offerings are his salvation from Poverty.

Not Just your heart...the fruit of your repentance is equally important. The outside gives us a snippet of what's inside.

Well said bro.
But the issue here is beyond opportunity for Nigerian techies, it's about the breach of the freedom of speech verging on empty pride and personal vendetta.Don't be surprised with this attitude, they'd ban Nairaland too.

Concerning insecurity we know Buhari can't solve what he is supporting.He pretends not to know what to do.

Unemployment? That one pass dem.

Born2conquer:
Twitter is suddenly a greater issue than Insecurity, unemployment and police brutality.

People won’t care until their money source gets affected! Lol!

If we could allow Ecowas to serve Buhari for twitter suspension, why can’t we do the same for the numerous insecurity facing Nigeria ranging from bokoharam and banditry in the north? To herdsmen issues in the south?

What about the issues of police brutality and economy dilapidation? Dollar to naira was 360 last year but it is presently dingling around 512 today!

WHY IS TWITTER BANNING CURRENTLY EVERYBODY HEADACHE? Twitter is a private organization and i believe Twitter should be the one negotiating or doing the sueing if they feel they’re unjust!

I even feel the banning should have spurred a NIGERIAN Or seun Osewa to have reposition Nairaland to Twitter position in Nigeria, the power twitter is wielding is too much and I believe a tech guy can harness that to develop a competition for the Nigeria market, apart from Nairaland, what else do we have?

Nigerians baffle me, they will rather leave the important problems and focus on the unnecessary ones and that’s basically because most people especially the influencers makes money from it (untaxable money)

Let’s use same ENERGY to convince ECOWAS to SUE this government for the numerous atrocities (if we feel they’ve commited any though)

Why you dey wonder?Every Bible believing Christian knows how to identify a true prophet. It's not a big deal.
It's not about rivalry, it's discernment.
Popularity means nothing, the truth is what matters.

CardiNice:
I remember when a certain man of GOD built a big auditorium in a so so so state in Nigeria.
Many popular preachers where invited and surprisingly no TB JOSHUA, no prophet Jeremiah of Mercy land Warri, infact all the major prophets of GOD in Nigeria and Africa were not invited.

And i began to wonder why.

Friend, clear your mind.I already told you what I'm addressing- if a pastor can be a freedom fignter.I think it was you or somebody who asked for an example in the Bible.So, why moving the goal post now?
I'm not particular about any pastor persay, just saying that they are nonviolent freedom fighters.

And who told you I don't listen to their preaching or read their tweets?
Truth is most tweets have nothing to do with what we are discussing now.

I don't like to discuss about pastors' shortcomings in public fora except it's a Christian forum or when we meet. Many of them take correction and adjust when they see scriptures.

If this had been a Christian forum, there are some home truths I would have stated but I can't do that here.

All I want you to know is a pastor can be a freedom fighter but not like Sunday Igboho or MNK.

Concerning proverbs 31:9 , I only wanted you to see that it's not only directed at kings as it were but to people who have capacity to help the oppressed. If God has brought you to prominence, it's for a purpose. Never look the other way when you see oppression EXCEPT God ask you to be quiet at the moment.
Just like giving is the natural thing to do as a believer but there are rare occasions where you may be restrained.

Image123:
How is it that you do not follow their tweets and speeches/preaching but you judge or adjudge them as not speaking for the oppressed or against evil? Is that not a sin in itself? All pastors and preachers preach freedom, it just depends what form of freedom they are preaching. Some preach or focus on freedom from sin, some from poverty, some from curse, some from evil spirits etc. No new testament bible preacher will preach freedom from government.
i did not say that Proverbs 31v9 was ONLY addressed to kings. i also gave the "nonetheless" clause which you overlooked. "judge righteously" in the verse is definitely not jungle justice or everyone taking laws into their hands.
If you go close enough as to read from them and hear from them, you will see that they do speak against evil and oppression.

I think I now get where you are missing it.
You think I'm saying they should lead riots.Nah
If they are tweeting and speaking against oppression, then they are engaged in what I'm saying.
Just to be clear, I thought the issue is whether a pastor can be a freedom fighter? I said YES provided he is using nonviolent means and what he is saying is truth not lies or propangadas.

Besides, who told you Proverbs 31:9 only addresses kings? You can as well say that the verse that spoke about strong drinks only addresses kings too.

I don't want to bring in the dimension of believers being kings and priests.
Suffice it to say, it is evil to keep quiet when evil is holding sway .Why did the Bible say "have nothing to do with unfruitful works of darkness...rather reprove them"...(Ephesians 5:11)?
A Christian should never support evil or oppression in anyway. A pastor shouldn't do less.

Image123:
Pro 31:9  Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

Firstly, this is addressed to a King/Judge. Nonetheless, it is not a call to be a freedom fighter. Most of the pastors preach and speak and even tweet against oppression and plead the cause of the poor and needy. They do not have to run riot, cause aluta and other civil demonstrations. Like i said, that is not their calling or that of any of Christ's disciples as seen in the Bible. They have a ministry and calling to fulfill, so allow them to focus on that. Those of you that have no calling, why not go ahead and do your stuff without roping others in?
Jesus said, IF His kingdom was of this world, His servants would fight. But His kingdom is not of this world.
i remember when Adeboye saw the way the last year protests was going, he went on a prayer march or something like that to try and call the christians out of it. Many of these pastors and churches do help poor people and liberate/empower them in different ways. They cannot pitch people up against constituted authority. At least(like you've advised) they empower VP reach VP, we no see the man brakelight . Like i have said, the Bible is very complete and up to date. If christians follow it properly, they will not have problems.

I was thinking we can reason but it's clear you are full of assumptions.
Pastors are not my problem,get that clear.
Like I said, learn to understand what is being discussed before contributing.
To remind you what was being discussed before you started talking about another thing.
The issue is can a pastor be a freedom fighter?That I have answered with an emphatic YES.

Relax, and learn to interact even if you disagree. You just said I never answered your questions. If I may ask, why assume what you can't substantiate?

The only thing for you about patriotism is getting PVC and following a DJ ?
So a 10year old can't be patriotic?Or a sick old man who couldn't get his PVC with all the attendant stress can't be patriotic? Or Nigerians in the Diaspora can't be patriotic?

I want to believe you are smarter than this.

If you forget everything I just replied, NEVER FORGET Proverbs 18:13

OLORIPAPA:
you didn't answer any of my questions...one would think someone like you that pretends to have the interest of the country at heart will have a PVC and vote but no...na pastor be your problem and I am very sure a Lilly livered like U has not join any protest before...show me were a pastor had been a freedom fighter as U argued...my friend you better take yourself more seriously..

Have you ever read Proverbs 31:9 ?
Jesus was to fulfill why He came so He focused on that.

There's no part of the scriptures that says we shouldn't defend the weak.
There are nonviolent means of doing this.
I don't want to delve into the spiritual, which is more important.
But Do you know that when a man is free spiritually, he tends to have a sound mind? What do you think would happen when you have Christians who understand that " they rather obey God than man" and they are asked to disobey God by a wicked ruler?
To boot, if you have learned pastors amongst them, do you think he'll do well to keep quiet when he knows he can fight with the law? Sit down and obey especially when you know the repressive law would enslave many?

My brother, amongst other things we are the Light of the world - we should also be involved in the translation of men from darkness to light. We are to fight darkness and enthrone righteousness howbeit not with Violence.

You can not be privileged as a believer and cultists are oppressing people under your watch and you won't do stand up.

Summary,
God empowers us not solely for ourselves but to help others.Pastors are not exempted.As leaders they should guide their followers.Teach them to be followers of good and not bad.
On the flipside,
Pastors feeding their congregation with the true Word to liberate their spiritman, is preparing them for freedom. These ones in turn go out and replicate freedom. If we have enough free people in the society, oppression will be harder to effect.That way, God has used these thought leaders called pastors to fight oppression. That's why I believe they should be freedom fighters.

No one is blackmailing anybody, it's a natural thing to do like eating when you have food and you're hungry. You can decide to fast or abstain from food when God asks you to.
In the same vein, pastors can decide not to especially when God ask them not to. THEY ARE, like other Bible believers, to defend the weak.
I'm not talking politics,I'm talking about righteousness, what is right.

Image123:
Good, you could not name even one of the disciples of Jesus that was a freedom fighter. Pastors and preachers are not called to be "freedom fighters". The freedom they will normally know is freedom from sin or satan or the flesh. [/b]Jesus was very clear and straight to the point as He had people around Him who thought and expected Him to be a "freedom fighter".

John 18:36  Jesus answered, [b]My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Act 1:6  When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 
Act 1:7  And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 
Act 1:8  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 

The message is very clear especially in John that i quoted. We never see or hear of Paul or Peter or John telling or writing to Herod Agrippa or Caesar about politics. We leave that to Nnamdi Kanu, Sowore, Igboho and co. If God tells them specifically to do it, or raises someone to do it, fine. But stop blackmailing people into doing or supporting your political views by force.

Very funny question.
Anyways, I'll attempt it.
Believing affects your reasoning and interaction with others.One who believes in God is one who fears God and he's more likely to be humane and accountable. Hence, he'd positively affect those around him unlike the godless atheist who lives for himself and believes there's no hereafter. To borrow your word (from your initial post I quoted), he's not different from an animal who thinks about sex, amongst other selfish pursuits.
Summary,
How one leads his life would elicit what people would say about you.The memory of the righteous is blessed but the name of the wicked will rot.

sunshineV:
how does beliving in a god changes how people talk abt u when u die?

Friend,
People only talk about important things.
Do you know how many people die in a second
Besides, there are many who don't even know those who say there's no God.Why? It's unthinkable and so foolish.
When such people die, they believe nobody died.

sunshineV:
he mocked himself. the people that serve are dying like fly why the ones that dnt give a fvck are banging pussies and living life

You don't need to assume.
When you ask questions, wait for an answer.
It's sometimes better to be mum than voicing an opinion that is off tangent.

Where in my post did I say that I put my hope in pastors?
And if DJ Switch or DJ Cable is your role model, why should I adopt her as mine?

It's your type that make people think young people can't reason. Learn to appreciate issues before contributing.
You could as well ask me to join touts and urchins fighting during an unrest to prove I'm a freedom fighter.

A case of comparing Apples and oranges.

OLORIPAPA:
do you even have a PVC,did U vote in any of the election's?be putting Ur hope on pastors it's Ur mate that is DJ switch that was fighting be there blaming pastors..people like U will never come out when it is require U sit there in Ur small cubicle opening Ur mouth whaaaaaaa...

There are many terms defined to suit certain situations by certain groups.
That said, A freedom fighter is basically one who is against oppression and may resist it via violent or nonviolent means.Simply Put, freedom fighters fight for freedom.

The Early disciples were not violent but were "nonconformists" to what would oppress or enslave others. All they preached was for men to know of the freedom purchased at Calvary by Jesus and man's redemptive rights.

Christians would suffer wrong but No Christian (Christ's disciple) would keep quiet when others are oppressed
especially when he/she can speak or do something for the oppressed.

Image123:
Which of the disciples of Jesus was a freedom fighter and what is the definition of freedom fighter?

I disagree that pastors are not freedom fighters.In fact, they are the biggest freedom fighters just that they won't behave like Sowore, Nnamdi KANU or Igboho.
Concerning the last election, you know what happened -except you weren't in this country

OLORIPAPA:
All of you condemning the pastor what have U done except to come to nairaland and claim e-thug...were were all of U when he led a protest sometimes last year.Pastors are not freedom fighters they pray...If U want freedom fighters look for igboho or sowore and join them,but no U won't do any,U won't even come out to vote.You better shut your mouth if you don't have anything to talk.