Culture › Christie Sells Nigerian Statues Of Igbo Deities That Were Looted by dermmy(op): 6:40am On Jun 30, 2020 |
Nigeria is "saddened" by the sale of two sculptures belonging to the south-eastern Igbo community, an official from the Nigerian National Commission for Museums and Monuments, has said.
A prominent art historian had called on the renowned auction house, Christie's, to cancel the sale.
Prof Chika Okeke-Agulu told the BBC the two objects were "looted" from shrines during the civil war in the late 1960s.
The items were sold for just under $240,000 (£195,000) in Paris.
Christie's rejected the claim that the sculptures were stolen, saying the Monday sale was perfectly legal.
The wooden objects about 1.5 metres high, one male and one female, represent deities from the Igbo community, their hands face upwards waiting to receive sacrifices and gifts.
Why is the sale so controversial?
Central to the controversy is when the statues were taken and where from. "Christie's ought not be dealing in Nigerian antiquities that were probably taken out at a time of conflict, contrary to the Hague Convention of 1954," Babatunde Adebiyi, legal adviser for the Nigerian National Commission for Museums and Monuments, said, adding that Nigeria "was saddened" by the sale. The Hague Convention of 1954 was adopted to protect cultural property in the event of armed conflict. Nigeria joined the convention in 1961. Prior to this Nigeria already had an antiquities ordinance law which made the trade of stolen cultural artefacts illegal, which was adopted in 1953.
The 1970 Unesco convention also banned the international trade in stolen artefacts. Mr Adebiyi, who also advises the Nigerian government, says he believes these objects will always belong to the people of Nigeria. "There is never going to be a universal principle that says something made by my forebears belongs to you in perpetuity because you bought it in an auction house. African antiquities will always be African, just like a Da Vinci will always be European."
Where did the items come from?
Prof Okeke-Agulu from Princeton University says the objects were looted from communal shrines in his native Anambra state, with the help of local conspirators. He said they could not have been acquired legally because they were removed during the 1960s Biafran civil war, when the Igbo community attempted to secede from Nigeria.
"Growing up in Nigeria, we would pass by these destroyed and looted shrines and they would point to them, [saying] 'these were the shrines that were looted and destroyed during the war,'" he told the BBC.
The historian believes the loss of these sculptures has meant that a key part of Igbo cultural identity has been lost for future generations. He accused Christie's and other art collectors of "expropriation".
"To pretend we don't matter - what we think doesn't matter - is for me a recast of the colonial arrogance that we are still dealing with in other parts of the African continent," Prof Okeke-Agulu said.
Could there be another explanation?
But art historian Professor Clifford Nwanna, from Nigeria's Nnamdi Azikiwe University, says that more information is needed. He says that in the past some local people chose to throw away some ritual objects or sell them. This sometimes happened when people felt the object "was no longer potent" or stopped working as protection. Prof Nwanna also points to the arrival of Christian missionaries in the area as another reason historically why some local people rendered the objects "as things that don't have much value". "Some people were persuaded to do away with their gods, idols, and those statues," he adds. He said the onus should be on the local community to call for the return of the items: "They need to make a claim for the objects... because legally the community are the people that have the highest interest."
What does Christie's say?
It has defended the auction. "The auction house believes there is no evidence these statues were removed from their original location by someone who was not local to the area, or that the area they came from at the time they were acquired was part of the conflict at the time," it said in a statement. "Our understanding is that even prior to the conflict, local agents were trading in objects such as these and they were starting to circulate more widely," it said. It added that at no stage "has there been any suggestion that these statues were subject to improper export".
How did the sculptures get to Paris?
According to Christie's, the sculptures were acquired by Jacques Kerchache, a French art collector and a close adviser to former French President Jacques Chirac. But the auction house says it believes Mr Kerchache didn't travel to Nigeria in 1968/69 which suggests local agents were involved in initial trading, probably to Cameroon before shipment to Europe. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53218138
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Iran Issues Warrant Of Arrest Against Trump, Others Over Death Of Its General by dermmy(m): 3:53pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
[s] Nuel4: whites own the world. Did anyone tied up our forefathers when these clowns were claiming continents upon continents?[/s] |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Breaking news :Iran Issues Arrest Warrant for trump, calls interpol. by dermmy(m): 2:09pm On Jun 29, 2020*. Modified: 2:30pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Trapping: Na mumu dey worry dem. You are not getting the message Iran is passing. They are trying to expose the hypocrisy of America and her fellow western bullies. Let's say it was an African country who did what U.S did by striking the government official of another country what do you think would happen? Won't ICC file a case against the African/weak country? Iran knows no country would try America for its war crimes they just wanted to expose the hypocrisy of the western institutions set up by the west to witch hunt and bully weak countries. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Breaking news :Iran Issues Arrest Warrant for trump, calls interpol. by dermmy(m): 1:55pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Originality007: Iranian weed is the best 
A rogue nation that shot down a civilian jet Iran a rouge nation? What will you call America and Israel the rogue twins who sponsor terrorism and destabilize the peace of other countires. Tell your America that they will never control Iran's oil the way they did under the Shah. The 1979 Iranian revolution will continue to be one of their biggest regrets of the 20th century. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Breaking news :Iran Issues Arrest Warrant for trump, calls interpol. by dermmy(m): 1:36pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
Whyem15: In a lawful and just world, Trump would be arrested and prosecuted immediately after finishing his term and losing his immunity because he was directly responsible for the murder of a country's official on diplomatic mission to another country. He not only committed murder, he also violated the law protecting diplomats all over the world. But we all know that the US is a lawless country that twist the law to kill and bully other countries while threatening and punishing institutions of justice when the same laws it twist is applied to it, just like they sanctioned the judges of ICC for investigating the war crimes US and Israel committed. The same country that placed sanctions on Russia for annexing Crimea and almost went to war because of it is the country telling the world that it is solely Israel's business whether they want to annex the Jordan Valley or not. This arrest warrant will test the integrity of interpol whether it is just another organization used in bullying weak countries to submit to it. The number of international laws, treaties and deals Trump has broken will put the next president in a very difficult situation because most of these deals took decades to sign by past president only for Trump to dismantle them because he felt they aren't favorable to US. Many governments around the world will be very cautious of making deals with the US because they have shown that they can cancel deals and treaties at will. Let us not also forget that the US has illegally kept it's troops in Iraq 5 months after the people and government of Iraq had told them to leave. God bless you Sir. International laws are for weak countries. I just pity weak and helpless African countries  Any country that does not have power in this present world order won't survive. Now they are accusing China of repealing Hong Kong autonomous status when they themselves have violated the international laws hundred times over. Britain seized Chagos Island from Mauritius in 1965 and evicted the Chagosians even after intl laws had been in existence, last year February UN ruled and ordered Britain to return the Island back to Mauritius within 6 months but Britain refused, it's over a year now. America is the one taking side with Britain because America has a military base there. Now they want China and Russia to comply with international law I'm just happy for Russia and China. I still weep for Africa cause we'll remain subservient to these western powers. Any country that does not have power in this present world order won't survive. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Breaking news :Iran Issues Arrest Warrant for trump, calls interpol. by dermmy(m): 1:21pm On Jun 29, 2020*. Modified: 4:00pm On Jun 29, 2020 |
illitrate: But wait oo, what will they do for retaliating? The retaliation was in line with international rule of engagement. The killing of Soleimani is an act of war it contravenes international law. Remember Iran invoked article 51 of the UN charter citing self defence. By retaliating Iran passed a strong message that any attack against her won't go without consequences and i believe America got it by not carrying out further attacks. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: The World's Largest Free-flying American Flag Has Been Ripped In Half After A Th by dermmy(m): 11:00am On Jun 29, 2020 |
ovcwality: If you don't stop spamming threads and asslicking trump, you will go to hell, this is spiritual  He has been banned.  That guy na nuisance. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Russian Spy Unit Paid Taliban To Attack US Troops, US Intelligence Says by dermmy(m): 7:01am On Jun 29, 2020 |
If this is true i'd call it a pay back. America also armed terrorist jihadist groups to launch attack against Soviet troops fighting in Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan war. America's CIA and British Mi6 armed the Mujahideens that later transmogrified into Al-Qaeda. The operation was codenamed "Operation Cyclone" |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Trump Is Facing The Prospect Of A Landslide Loss. by dermmy(m): 10:02am On Jun 27, 2020 |
Antiochus: He has lost already. He'll leave the white house through his bunker because the shame will be too much to bear..   |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Gabon 's Miserable regime Decriminalises Homosexuality by dermmy(m): 7:31am On Jun 27, 2020*. Modified: 9:23am On Jun 27, 2020 |
Jimi24: Homesexuality is not a crime. It is a curse. You have to be a completely ignorant person to support laws against gays. Govt has absolutely no right to outlaw a possible genetic or mental defect. Is sicle cell disease a crime?. Is dwarfism a crime?. A lot of Christians are going to hell because of the wrong attitude to gays. You should be praying and interceding for gays. Deliverance is possible. Don't judge, don't ostracize or you are falling into the devils trap. I understand your point but many won't see it the way you are seeing it. I'm a strong christian and i believe gay is perversion and it's against the will of God for mankind. I believe gay, fornication, adultery , masturbation are all perversion. Tell a christian to define perversion he would include gay/lesbianism and masturbation and exclude fornication, adultery without knowing any sexual act that is outside the confines of marriage is perversion even watching pornography is perversion and they are all sin anyone who indulge in any of these things is going to the same hell the bible preaches. These are religious and unspiritual people who see gay/lesbianism from the Sodom and Gomorrah perspective and feel those who practice such should face the wrath of God and even the wrath of the state. They forgot that fornication/adultery and the rest are against God's law if we are to go by old testament law. Even in the new covenant apostle paul admonish us in 1Thess 4:3 "This is the will of God, your sanctification that you should abstain from sexual immorality" Someone who fornicates, commit adultery, masturbates, watch pornography and all forms of perversion should face the full wrath of the law too if we really want to establish the law of God on earth. Why are we excluding and discriminating against gays only? Is that not hypocrisy? if God does not condemn them and wants them to repent why do we have to discriminate against them. Will our utter hatred and discrimination against them change their sexual orientation and bring them to christ? Will they receive deliverance from Jesus if we continue to crucify them? These are the questions my fellow hypocritical christians who have assumed the position of GOD who judges should answer. I am not supporting gay but we have to rightly didvide the word of God thruthfully. Even if we start sentencing them to death by hanging will it stop it? Because there are so many people who are practicing it silently without coming out to confess that they are gay so what are we fighting? Those crucifying them won't go out to do evangelism. They were former perverts, fornicators, adultrers, masturbators, porn addicts. (Hypocrisy) The church of God has a role to play we have to preach against it but not discriminate against the people. we have to let them know they are not ok because anyone who practices gay is not normal same goes to anyone who fornicates, commit adultery and masturbates. There is a demon who is at work in their lives and we'll let them know God has the power to deliver them. And anyone who is a former gay and has been delivered should come out and testify about how he/she was saved by doing this it will give hope to others who are still yoked with such practices. Condeming gays won't change anything it will continue to harden their hearts. Take it or leave it. SHALOM |
Foreign Affairs › Re: China Warns Britain That Beijing Will 'Strike Back If UK Steps Out Of Line' by dermmy(m): 6:32pm On Jun 23, 2020 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: China Warns Britain That Beijing Will 'Strike Back If UK Steps Out Of Line' by dermmy(m): 5:25pm On Jun 23, 2020*. Modified: 10:49am On Jun 24, 2020 |
digitalman2811: since China was foolish to have signed the agreement,she should have respected the agreement. No, China won't respect it anymore cause China is not one of your weak and useless African countries. China will not continue to remain subservient to a former colonial thief who took her territory from her forcefully. 21st century China won't take orders from any imperialist. China is not an African country. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Obama Calls On Democrats To Go Further In Pushing Unfinished Leftist Agenda..... by dermmy(m): 2:20pm On Jun 23, 2020 |
You don try this guy, if Donald Trump no give you visa God no go forgive am I hope say Trump dey notice your work o cos na futile effort all this your sweating go be if you no get that Visa.  |
Foreign Affairs › Re: See What Black Lives Matter Leader Said About Jesus by dermmy(m): 9:33am On Jun 23, 2020 |
nelsonoba: I knew these Marxists whose agenda as stated on their website includes "tearing down the nuclear family" and "promoting LGBTQ rights" would get to this at some point in one way or another. I pity those who are fooled to think BLM is "helping" black people Have you ever seen Jesus before? How did you know that's the real Jesus the bible talks about. As a christian It is your faith in him that matters not the worship of one statue or symbol that has nothing to do with eternal life. And remember It's a free world they are free to say whatever they like about any religion what matters is an end to all forms of racial discrimination and i think that's the creed of the BLM movement. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Saudi Arabia Comes Under Missile And Drone Attacks From Yemen Houthis by dermmy(m): 8:57am On Jun 23, 2020 |
Saudi Arabia should withdraw from Yemen. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: What These 6 Black Leaders Told Trump He Needs To Do by dermmy(m): 7:43am On Jun 23, 2020 |
vioment: Choi. I always taught white peoples creativity and ingenuity are cool like others, I gave them and still give them their respect. But this olaadegbu person loves to get on his knees to give their trouser zipper area a hourly appreciation.  |
Crime › Re: I Stole My Client's Pant For Money Ritual - Vulcaniser Confesses In Ogun State by dermmy(m): 6:02pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
Neddstark: Fools, why you no go bend down select, collect pant of white people wey dey succeed better? Fool. Someone like him needs to be tortured before he does armed robbery. I can't laugh oooooo  |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Bolton: Trump Told Netanyahu He’d Back Israeli Military Action Against Iran by dermmy(m): 4:04pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
They really gambled with the destiny of middle east thank God Netanyahu didn't make such stupid move. The crazy man telling Netanyahu to attack Iran couldn't do that last January when Iran smashed U.S base in Iraq leaving over 100 troops with traumatic brain injuries. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: BLM Founder Admits Org's Creators Are Trained Marxists To 'Get Trump Out' by dermmy(m): 3:45pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: You seem to know more than one of the founders of BLM?  Do you even know what Marxism means. If the call to unseat the inept and racist called Trump in the next election means Marxism to you then you know nothing about Marxist ideology.  |
Foreign Affairs › Re: BLM Founder Admits Org's Creators Are Trained Marxists To 'Get Trump Out' by dermmy(m): 1:07pm On Jun 22, 2020*. Modified: 2:24pm On Jun 22, 2020 |
BLM movement has nothing to do with Marxism. They aren't asking for a violent overthrow of the capitalist class what they are asking for is an end to police brutality and racial discrimination. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Blacks In The US Are The Most Freest & Most Prosperous Black People In The World by dermmy(m): 7:33am On Jun 22, 2020 |
OLAADEGBU: "It’s never been clearer that far-left ideologies have overtaken American universities.
Political correctness, critical race theory, Marxism, gender theory and social justice are all concepts being taught mostly radical, leftist academics." What's your problem with the left and what do you know about Marxism? |
Foreign Affairs › Re: John Bolton's Book On Trump Leaks On Twitter by dermmy(m): 11:57am On Jun 21, 2020 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Rare ‘ring Of Fire’ Eclipse “from Book Of Joshua” To Appear On June 21 by dermmy(m): 7:22am On Jun 21, 2020 |
Righteousness89: The signs of the end is everywhere. In the sun in the sky, in the star,on land, on sea, everywhere!
Living life Without JESUS is a great risk
Live Ready Folks!
Just any moment! The big one will hit the Earth!
This is not the first time the world would experience eclipse ok. So tying rapture to Eclipse is what i dont understand. As christians we are to prepare for the D-day with or without eclipse. Just preach this Gospel jejely and let it be based on pure love of God for mankind. Eclipse has nothing to do with rapture ok. Na so you go dey praise President Trump dey tie his blunders to rapture. May God help you. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Supreme Court Blocks Trump From Cancelling Daca Immigration Program by dermmy(m): 7:48pm On Jun 19, 2020 |
Abbeybailey: The same Trump that think Finland is in Russia or the same Trump that doesn't known Britain is a nuclear power. As in I'm still in shock.  |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Kindly Take Note by dermmy(m): 3:47pm On Jun 19, 2020 |
Clown. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Facebook Takes Down Trump Ads Featuring Symbol Used By Nazis To Mark Political P by dermmy(m): 7:21am On Jun 19, 2020 |
Righteousness89: The Globalist and Nwo proponents are all out against President Trump... He is the Physical major Hinderance to them..
[s]President Trump is Likely "The Last Trump" the Holy Bible spoke about.. [/s]
The End of all things is Much more closer than we imagine.... How did you know Trump is the last Trumpet the Holy Bible spoke about?  Any christian who knows what he his doing should not take you serious. Mehn you have added to the word of the prophecy in the book of revelation and you know that angel told John that he'll add to the sorrow of anyone who adds his own prophecy to revelation and take away the name of anyone who removes from the words of the prophecy from the book of life now you are adding your own prophecy. Read Revelation 22:18-19 Your far right Neo-Nazi Trump is still your Biblical messaiah. The way you worship this man and attribute his errors to Biblical prophecies and events still baffles me. You are not a christian sir. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Donald Trump ‘pleaded’ With Xi Jin ping To Help Him Get Reelected by dermmy(m): 9:14am On Jun 18, 2020*. Modified: 12:06pm On Jun 18, 2020 |
Bombshell |
Foreign Affairs › Re: China Warns Britain That Beijing Will 'Strike Back If UK Steps Out Of Line' by dermmy(m): 8:15am On Jun 18, 2020*. Modified: 9:19am On Jun 18, 2020 |
grandstar: At the end of the day, how does your stance help the people of Hong Kong under the tyranny they face? That has always been my point. Well, sovereignty may be defined as the power of the State to make law and enforce the law with all the coercive power it cares to employ. It is the characteristic of the State in virtue of which it cannot be legally bound except by its own will or limited by any other power. The way China administer its own territory shouldn't be a headache for the west. The west has always propped up dictatorial regimes around the world for their own selfish interest so they should stop acting like a saint and respect China as a sovereign nation. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: China Warns Britain That Beijing Will 'Strike Back If UK Steps Out Of Line' by dermmy(m): 6:25am On Jun 18, 2020*. Modified: 7:12am On Jun 18, 2020 |
grandstar: Stop being petty. This the 21st century. Hong Kong was an extremely prosperous place when handed over and not a Banana republuc. Nowadays, most colonial territories under rich western nations tend to be prosperous or relatively prosperous compared to what was the norm 60 years ago.
Centuries ago, the standard was conquest in the West Now, it is devolvement, the Rule of Law and human rights.
And the issue here remains the rights of the interest of the people of the territory which you feel is a non issue. They should go die because Britain colonized then almost 180 years ago. I find this bizarre. Stop being ignorant. The international rule of law is only meant for weak African countries. Even these western powers violates the international law unilaterally. Look at the war crimes American troops committed in Iraq and Afghanistan now America is using her power to stop ICC from probing her by placing sanctions on the judge handling the case and you call that rule of law? The west you are praising have sponsored terror and unseated democratic regimes around the world and you call that rule of law? US continue to help Israel annex Palestine lands and Syria's golan which is against international law and you are talking of rule of law. Honestly I understand your sentiment but when a power is about to use its power to turn the table against you you have to challenge that power if you are able that was what happened when Russia annexed Crimea. Russia wouldn't have done that if the west didn't intervene in Ukraine affair. It is power politics bro you are still learning. I just pity African countries in this 21st century they are so weak and unable to challenge these powers who are still scrambling for Africa. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: China Warns Britain That Beijing Will 'Strike Back If UK Steps Out Of Line' by dermmy(m): 4:50am On Jun 18, 2020*. Modified: 5:07am On Jun 18, 2020 |
grandstar: Is it about weak or strong or the rights of the people of Hong Kong?
It's just like the Bakassi issue? The issue was not about Cameroon or Nigeria. The people should have been given the option of self determination. They had a right to choose where they wanted to be. This option was even initially on the table.
For Hong Kong, the primary problem is Xi Jinpings autocratic and belligerent style. He is the epicenter. If someone else was premier, I'm sure this problem won't exist. China had a 1 China 2 systems policy 8n Hong Kong which worked very well. Xi is an autocrst through and through.
He has been going all over Southeast and Far east Asia throwing China's weight around and threatening the neighbours. He's been seizing disputed islands from neighbours, islands no more than uninhabited rocks. UK should have thought about the rights and sovereignty of China and Hong Kong before they forcefully took away Hong Kong from China. Oh yeah it's about being strong or weak. China was weak then and China even displayed more weakness by allowing the autonomous status for Hong Kong. Go and read about power in international politics it is that power that Britain used against China when it took HK from her in 1843. China now has power to take back what belongs to her. Autonomous status be damned, international law be damned, when you have power no bloody imperialist can dictate to you how you should manage your affair. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: China Warns Britain That Beijing Will 'Strike Back If UK Steps Out Of Line' by dermmy(m): 3:11am On Jun 18, 2020 |
etrange: You quoted his dumb post to call me ignorant and here you are quick to abandon him.
If not for the colonization, a lot of things would have been different. There wouldn't have been a single nation called Nigeria, Nigeria wouldn't have been English speaking or Christian's, etc. How many of these things went back to the way they were 100 years later after colonization? None. Each territory and colony big enough evolved into independence because the people have, over the years, instituted a system for themselves. So why must HK go back to it's former status if the people of HK does not concent to it? It's not all about China vs the UK. The people being fought over should have a say. They could vote to stay, fine but nothing will settle all this dispute after that.
Your argument simply doesn't make sense. You can type all you want but there's no justification for denying the people of HK a referendum. Nothing at all. Lols. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: China Warns Britain That Beijing Will 'Strike Back If UK Steps Out Of Line' by dermmy(m): 3:03am On Jun 18, 2020 |
Judybash93: It's partially under their jurisdiction in the one state two systems thingy The one country two systems doesn't even make sense. I don't know why China had to agree to it in the first place. Well I would accept they were weak then but they have to act fast before those Hong Kongers start pushing for complete independence from China cause that's what the colonial thief called Britain wants. |