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You're denying the truth. Yorubas voted against GEJ cos of Igbos. This is a fact!

oyatz:
Yorubas did NOT vote against Jonathan, he actually got millions of votes in Yoruba land. What truly happened what that the PDP was and is still a minority party in the S/west.

Not only, Jonathan but many prominent Yoruba politicians who contested on the platform of the PDP lost to the APC, the majority party in the S/west.

How do you think Jonathan could have won in Yoruba land when his part lost in all other elections (Local Government, State, National Assembly and Presidential elections)?


And even if Yorubas voted against Jonathan, how did you just conclude that it's because he surrounded himself with Igbos? What if they did because they wanted a better deal from the APC?

Nobody will vote Wike!

LasgidyPort:
Wike has good followership in the SS and SE.

That's enough for a VP's contribution.

This fake pastor nor dey tire?

Anyways, for equity and justice,

Peter Obi for president
Zulum for vice

Unless you want PDP to do it for doing sake! If you want the SE to get presidency, it has to be both APC and PDP doing the zoning so that Nigerians will have no choice than to vote Igbo man they hate just like 1999 when it was Obj and Falae and Nigeria had no choice but to vote a Yoruba man

obinoral1179:
APC are not obligated to do so because the party are not well received in the zone so PDP are the best party to give them a shot at the president

PDP zoning their ticket to SE will not give SE the presidency. So what's the point if APC will not equally do same?

obinoral1179:
Nice thread, this should make the PDP zone their tickets to the South East alone because they have been loyal zone to them...

What about Igboho? You support fg move?

oyatz:
This is not my point.


Nnamdi Kanu was busy preaching hatred against other Nigerians with many Igbos cheering him up and repeating his messages.

When the FG decided to arrest Nnamdi Kanu and curtailed his excesses, it's natural that these other Nigerians who were the victims of his agitations will support the move.

I was discussing this with you

aribisala0:
You can lose all the people you like
It is not for you to tell us what to do or how to go about it.
That is very disrespectful on your part
If you need to defecate do so which one is
come make we go shit?

I really need to push back on this idiocy

Why should we leave BECAUSE you think we should?
Did we come into Nigeria together

You went and organized a coup for your own benefit it did not work out and then the Northerners did their own at which point you decide
"We no do again" . That is your choice
How is that the business of Yoruba .Why should we secede because you decide to do so when you decide?

We do not owe you any explanation

We were absolutely right to support Nigeria is supporting the crushing of Biafra and would do so again . Hear that clearly

All this emotional manipulation will not work
Whether we stay or leave Nigeria is not your business and we are not engaging you in any competition for who hates Nigeria most

You can continue with your denial but everything is a matter of time. If we survive an uncivil war, nothing we can't survive

Igbos will be victorious, just as Isreal is victorious

aribisala0:
Why are you telling me this ? Is peace not reigning?
Why are you telling me what I must do
You do what you like that is your business
Did we bring you into Nigeria? Don't you know how you got here . The same way you climb a tree is how you will descend.
We do not despise you. That is your way. We are tolerant of you

We're saying same thing....we despise each other so for peace to reign, we must have the courage to go our separateways!

How's this difficult to understand?

aribisala0:
Quit whining bro

Yoruba have no major problem with Eboes and generally tolerate their many quirks.

The Eboes grew up on a diet of hatred for Yoruba .The story is Yoruba caused them to lose the Biafra war and somehow dispossessed them of phenomenal wealth. A mixture of generational trauma and obsessive hatred. We did not seize your property or do you harm so you have a lot of mind purging to do

There you talk about being civil but to my face you are telling me Eboes are the most hardworking and when I raise it you ask me to suck it up? The feedback is that you come across as borderline barbaric> Especially when all the evidence negates this narcissistic sense of self. Anyhow fast you drive you will always see the road in front .That is Yoruba to you. You know the truth but must show yourselves. That is very uncivilized conduct .Stop telling people you are better that or best this. Just FEM!!!
It is difficult to be civil if you are not honest. The whole thing is a waste.
You have not shown a track record anywhere in your land of good governance or even any kind of vision so from that perspective leaving tribalism to one side I won't trust my affairs to your current politicians as you are too emotional to be reliable partners.

The army cannot fight two solid wars at the same time. There was a good opportunity to pull out. If you're afraid to loose a few persons then you're not ready. Even till today America still looses soldiers in the middle east

T9ksy:
Why do you guys keep referring to some phantom opportunity to pull out during the civil war. Where is the opportunity when the region is under occupation by murderous Nigerian soldiers armed to the teeth and spoiling for a blood bath.

Every Yoruba claim to be from Lagos State!

aribisala0:
There is a difference between a plan and a dream

A plan is not a dream . Educate yourself on that
There is a Masterplan authored by Tinubu's administration that is still alive today

Are you from Lagos State?

I can proudly tell you I am

All Lagosian and even further afield acknowledge the impact of Tinubu from 1999

He implemented the BRT
The LASTMA
The LAWMA

Do you agree?

Anyway I am on record as opposed to Tinubu's presidential ambition and do not want to be seen as advocating for such

But there is no one alive that has contributed more to to the progress of Lagos State since 1999 than Tinubu.

You're not from Lagos! Some Igbos have far more say in Lagos than you. What you're doing is just feel good euphoria that your state is in proximity to Lagos.

Lagos belongs to all Nigerians equally because it was developed with Nigerian resources

ViperAda:
Tinubu takes the cake. However, my honorable mention goes to Fashola who had the balls to deport ibo destitutes back to upper iweka. Lagos would have been far saner, cleaner and more picturesque without the burdens of overpopulation created by the economic refugees.

-Viper

How come all yorubas are from Lagos State?

headSmasher:
I wouldn't be surprised if this one is also from Imo state like princeoflagos that have thrown away their identity.

We were having a civil conversation, we can keep it that way.

Anyways, the country cannot move forward if Yorubas and Igbos don't work out their differences. Enough said!

aribisala0:
That was the conversation


Who is shifting goalpost


You said that Yoruba are happy when Eboes are being dealt with
I showed you a link where your folk were celebrating because they though Yoruba wee being dealt with to show that you are the ones guilty of that and now you are talking rubbish?

You are just dishonest to your DNA

Hopefully the leaders do the right thing that's based on equity and justice!

Ojiofor:
When that time comes I will support it as was the case in USSR.Any region trying to breakup Nigeria by force at this time will end up at losing end.

Others will join in due course....as the country continues to decline, it will get to a threshold.

The breakup will be like USSR where not a single shot was fired cos everybody was tired as at then

Ojiofor:
Nigeria can only break up when other tribes supports it.One tribe out of 300 tribes can't break up Nigeria.Know this and have peace.

If you're not ready to enthrone equity and justice then you're inadvertently ready for breakup. There's precedence as happened in Yugoslavia where the Serbs were lording over everyone.

Ojiofor:
Other ethnic nationalities that make up Nigeria is not ready for break up the country so we as a people must do what we have to do to get our rightful dues within Nigeria as permited by the constitution.

If goofed at independent for not pulling out Yoruba nation. What about during the Civil War? Why didn't he use the opportunity to pull out Yoruba nation?

T9ksy:
I believe that was where PA Awo goofed. He should have just pull yoruba nation out of this colonial creation. But then, he wasn't to know that zik has already conceded the topmost post to the sardunna as requested.

The sardunna was never going to agree to a Nigeria where his people would be subservient to the infidels to the south unless of course, he was given power at the center.

Jokers!

T9ksy:
Ojukwu used the "Biafran babies" to drop the bombs.

Before IPOB there was no MASSOB of Obj era?

Seems I'm talking with someone that is not truthful!

aribisala0:
What is your business with my enthusiasm? Is there a competition? We do not seek your approval or endorsement.
So what kind of dance were we doing under Jonathan? When Jonathan was in power you were not talking about leaving you miscalculated in 2015 and started IPOB madness and blackmailing everybody?
We no send you . Dey your lane.

I do not have sympathy for the coup plotters. My issue is why must present generation suffer for what they have no hand in?


If we cannot bury our differences and forge ahead, then let's go our separate ways. All the nationalities in Nigeria precedes Nigeria by over a 1000 years so what is Nigeria?

Ojiofor:
Killings unfortunately will always be there it did not start today.
Is North not killing themselves today?
Were Igbos not killing themselves before and even today?Before you argue Remember intercommunal killings going in Ebonyi state and Aguleri and Umuleri war.In the West remember Ife and Madakeke war.It is human nature there must be conflict here and there even in families. As for whether it is Igbo coup,ask yourself why you seems to have sympathy for the coup plotters.I am Igbo and see their actions as anti Igbo in every aspect that has set us back for decades.

In that case we will continue with this macabre dance!

aribisala0:
There is nothing wrong wanting out? You as people have to figure out the optimal way to achieve that. Since you are among the most dispersed ,a starting point would be to start relocating to your homelands. People would take you quite seriously when you do that go back home and stay there.
As adults you have to deal with reality not fantasy. Most of you are in fantasy land on this issue with no realistic plans just empty talk Empty ignorant talk

Show proof!

coolitempa:
Yes we did stop you at ore…those are facts. The bombs were from Biafra fighter jets …..those also are facts.

Listen, I genuinely want Nigeria to succeed but I know it's wishful thinking.

There has to be unity of purpose for a country to succeed. You and I know this does not exist in Nigeria. It doesn't matter what the cause is, what matters is we have proven for over half a century we're not willing to bury our differences and work together.

In divorce, it's called irreconcilable differences!

aribisala0:
My bad
The smart hardworking Eboes are dominating

See! Even this your comment shows lack of enthusiasm to see people you despise go.

This macabre dance we're doing in Nigeria will never end until we go our separate ways.

I can tell you with all certainty that Nigeria can never work, people who hate each other can never be compatriots, doesn't work that way!

aribisala0:
How and where am I mad when Igbos say they want out?
Some Yorubas say the same that they want out that does not mean they have a mandate> . That some Igbos say something is very different from "Igbos say something"
So what do you mean by "Igbos say they want out" ? Have you appointed a spokesman or advocate ?
Talk is cheap. If you are serious you know what to do.

The North are not dominating and they know it. Dominating is not about few people in power while the majority are in poverty and living under extreme insecurity

aribisala0:
You are free to say what you like and people are free to react how they like

Stop whining like bitches about like hate and all that crap.

Nigeria is a tough neighbourhood so spare us the whining.
You are the smartest and most hardworking being dominated by lazy dumbos is that not funny

That first coup was like 56yrs ago and we still talk about it like there hasn't been other coup in Nigeria.

My question to you is why are you mad when Igbos say they want out of Nigeria? You don't like them, they don't like you so there should be mutual willingness to separate

aribisala0:
Change of subject
at independence your ancestors agreed to an arrangement where the North had 174 to 138 seats at the federal Parliament.
Which is a higher ratio than 19/17


however the north were able to do this 19/17 because they dominated the military

So ultimately they have achieved through the military what we believe Eboes were trying to achieve through that first coup

It is what it is.

It's understandable if you don't like Igbos because they say it as it is but truth is always bitter.

If Nigeria should to go merit base and scrap quota system, Igbos would dominate all sectors of the economy!

aribisala0:
Just imagine the kind of things a presumably sensible person would say?

"Ibos are the most hardworking"

You always project the emotional intelligence of an 8 year old >

You are totally oblivious to the consequences of that kind of speech and how that is at the core of your difficulty wherever you are

Most hardworking indeed

When you talk like that there will be consequences that s common sense which is uncommon among you

You know you're a goal post shifter right?

SE took DEPUTY senate president, Yorubas were supported to take Speaker and not deputy yet they rejected it through Tinubu so they could have propaganda to sell.

You showed a link about Yoruba elders complaining of GEJ marginalization and I told you Tinubu caused it. You agreed but found a way to shift the goal post!

aribisala0:
Yes
Mulikat

But that was not the point

Your claim about Yorubas being cool with Ibo marginalization .That is the point

I am sure you can recall all what your brothers had to say and likely contributed with your various monikers that is the point

That you go aroun accusing people of what you are most guilty of

Mulikat

Awolowo being thrown in jail was instigated by Akintola and a possible treason he allegedly committed.

So why do you think the North has 19 states today and South 17? Is the 19 states beneficial to the North politically or not?

aribisala0:
I forgive you because you are young and ignorant
The 1953 census resulted in the following seat allocation
North 174
East 73
West 65
At the National Assembly
There was no such forum for "voting or taking decision by region". That is just your imagination.
The Parliament was supreme
Let me educate you a bit about the parliamentary system
Every person contested election in his or her constituency ad was elected as a legislator. This included Zik Awolowo Balewa Bello who were all leaders of their parties They ALL WON LOCAL elections wherever they came from and it was an indirect system of governance( just like delegates at political party primaries)
They won election individually where they came from not nationally
After elections in the parliamentary system the government is formed by the party with overall majority. If no party has majority two or more can do a deal to form the government.

Bello had 148
Zik had 89
Awo had 79
Zik and Awo could have formed the government if they could do a deal. They could not and Zik went with Bello. They formed the government and Bello sent his protege , Balewa to Lagos to head the government but Bello had control over the party and chose to stay in Kaduna as Regional Premier not wanting to go to Lagos.
It was an INDIRECT SYSTEM OF GOVERMENT.

Most if not all Minsters were first elected as members of the Parliament as was the Prime Minster

Those numbers above for Zik were not all from the East . His party NCNC was very strong in what is now the Plateau Area and Northern Cameroon which was allowed to secede. Whilst some southern minorities went with NPC in the federal parliament

So your assumptions about how decisions were made is wrong also the history is wrong
Zik took a strategic decision to align with the North rather than the West .Accept responsibility and concede that right to others
# Shortly afterwards Awolowo was thrown in jail. Put yourself in the shoes of the West from that history. Why should we trust you or want to have anything to do with you in politics?

You and I know that the GEJ govt tried to make Mulikat speaker but Tinubu ACN voted against her to have propaganda to use against GEJ that Yorubas were not represented in his govt.
These are facts!

aribisala0:
You are excellent at projection your foibles on to other people
https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan
Have a revision of this.


Whenever things favor you it is merit when it is others it is nepotism

You generally never see good in other folk and are seen as toxic

Like I said insofar Yorubas feel Igbos are being dealt with, they're fine even if the North buries the country!

Igbos dominated Nigeria in the 50s and 60s because they're the most hardworking. This is why today, inspite of coming out of a civil war they lost, they're doing better economically than the other tribes.

Same way heat hardens the egg and softens the potato, Igbos are made of intrinsic survival instincts.

Nnamdi Kanu is hated for talking about Biafra restoration and you wonder why the people who hates the Igbos hate to see them go.

Imagine Nigeria fought Biafrans for 3yrs to ensure they remain in Nigeria only to start hating and marginalizing them

aribisala0:
The North have only succeeded in doing what everyone believes the Eboes were trying to do in 1966