₦airaland Forum

Xander85:
The man was just too much of an idealist, and of all the three main ethnic groups it's his own people that are being cheated the most in this cursed 'one Nigeria' experiment!

It's quite unfortunate

She raised series of alarm about what was happening but many ignored them as the usual rants of a woman. Even Zahra who is fond of her dad is no where to be heard.

SpecialAdviser:
Looking at the mentality and dispositions of the Nigerian leaders then, one would easily understand why Zik was of the opinion. They saw themselves as one but was short sighted to understand that a time will come in life when new generation of Nigerians would jettison oneness and become selfish and nepotistic.
Any which way, it was wrong not to have included power to secede in the constitution.

In addition, I wish Awolowo who had a clearer vision of a non working united Nigeria exploited Ojukwu declaration. He had argued vigorusly in that regard previously. I bet that would have saved all the mess we found ourselves in a pseudo united Nigeria.

I quite agree that the arrangement was not well thought out but then, it might not be as explicit as it appears. Do not forget the British influence. The push for independence was initiated by the south yet the Brits handed power to the North who had always argued against an independent Nigeria citing that they were not ready.
Mind you, Awolowo already had a master plan for the west, building on education and human capital development. The Eastern region was also growing rapidly and the Brits were not comfortable handing power over to a self-sufficient southern region where they would most likely lose their Influence.

They have always backed the north to ensure they control Nigeria. If the first coup had gone as planned, Awolowo would have been the president and we probably will not be talking about illiteracy or our poor education standard and all the catastrophes would have been averted. Yet the north remains behind other regions even when they have had all the power.

Take out the British influence and Nigeria might gain some sanity, but that's not going to happen now is it.

Volksfuhrer:
Okay. The thrust of my argument was that: Zik was no true nationalist because he later supported Biafra's secession project. He argued with energy for One Nigeria, despite the fact that pogroms were commited against . Igbos in 1945 and 1953. He later supported secession in Biafra using the pogroms against his people in 1966 as a reason.

History might disagree with this point. Compared to Ahmadu Bello who openly made the "northerner first" comment and Obafemi Awolowo who always argued for the benefit of the Yoruba nation you're suggesting that Nnamdi Azikiwe who has been fingered as one of the proponents of One Nigeria is not a nationalist?

I never said he succeeded, but he tried. In any case, he sought out some African Heads of States for Biafra's recognition. Didn't he?

Unfortunately I cannot confirm or refute this claim because I don't have that information that's why I requested initially to share a reliable link with me if you have it.

Volksfuhrer:
No, It wasn't a contradiction. Remember, I brought up this statement, '...pogroms against igbos in 1945 and 1953 never dissuaded Zik from gleeful arguments of "indivisibility" and."perpetuity!"', only as an objection to arguments justifying Zik's support for secession during Biafra.

Pardon me, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Please explain further.

Did you say, "Nnamdi Azikiwe never supported secession"? Well, he evidently supported secession during Biafra! If he wrote Biafra's anthem and canvassed for Biafra to join the OAU as independent country, then he supported secession.

I'm aware of the anthem part but which Biafra did he canvass to join OAU when the Nigerian government tried to ensure Biafra did not see the light of day?

Anybody can sit behind a computer and compile essays but how has the rumor been proved wrong.

When there were speculations about former president Yaradua's death, Obasanjo placed a call in public to dispel the rumor. Whether it was Yaradua who was at the other end of the line or not is irrelevant at this point.
Had the then minister for information not raised alarm there might have been a cover up.

My question is, what steps has the presidency taken to prove beyond doubt that these revelations are false?

The series of attempts so far made by their media team only raises more suspicion. We will find out in due time.

GlorifiedTunde:
This is where our problem lies in Nigeria.

In a country where you cannot hold leaders by their words, a debate is useless.

Someone like Trump has achieved over 70% of his promises in his debate.

So if aspirants come with fluency and eloquence, knowing fully well that's it's only grammar we want, you'll think they're genuine.

Someone like Fela Durotoye will win such, whereas we all know he's not likely to succeed as a President.

Is it not Nigerians that still celebrate these failures?
I understand from the perspective of partisan politics, sycophants and paid propagandists but I still can't figure out the workings in the mind of the ignorant, non-reflecting supporters.

post=73043393:
An average Nigerian youth doesn't know that Buhari is the right person that has the capacity to deliver Nigeria.. I trust the fact that most of the cabals are against him..

People should have small sense

Do you even know who the cabals are

Stocking:
Answer simple question and stop foaming in the mouth

Your question was/is laughable and is not deserving of a response. People are quick to mention the constitution when all that is needed is common sense.

teboi:
How? I am sure the country would have been better off if we had broken up long ago instead of this useless contraption where others hold you back and feed off your resources and infrastructures under the name of one Nigeria

I still reiterate that we can confidently say this because we have established that the union is not working. At that time it probably was a matter of trying to make the Nigeria work by every possible means. Let's keep the argument of interests aside for now, because that's a huge argument on its own.

Volksfuhrer:
The secession clause should have been inserted unconditionally, without time limit!

My argument is on the premise that they wanted to make Nigeria work by every available means. We can confidently say the above now because it is clear the union is not working.

Let's keep it simple, Zik never had that vision; he only had selfish reasons to rule the whole country!

A Pan-Africanist would never support Biafra nor write Biafra's Anthem. And please don't bring the "survival of his people" argument; it won' cut it, because pogroms against igbos in 1945 and 1953 never dissuaded Zik from gleeful arguments of "indivisibility" and."perpetuity!"

Is this not a contradiction
Are you sure you're not mixing up regionalism with secession. Nnamdi Azikiwe never supported secession; if you have a link to prove that by all means please share with me. Again, if you had said he had "ambition" I would have agreed.

Afterthought:
Please read the excerpts below. Do you think it would have been beneficial to Africa? Do you think Gaddafi had selfish reasons for pushing for a United States of Africa?

In February 2009, upon being elected chairman of the 53-nation African Union in Ethiopia, Gaddafi told the assembled African leaders: "I shall continue to insist that our sovereign countries work to achieve the United States of Africa."[6] The BBC reported that Gaddafi had proposed "a single African military force, a single currency and a single passport for Africans to move freely around the continent".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Africa


Meanwhile, in 2009 Gaddafi, then President of the African Union, offered the states of the continent to shift to a new currency, independent from the US dollar, the so-called "Gold Dinar."

According to the researcher, the idea, voiced by the Libyan leader, received high praise from Tunisia's Ben Ali and Mubarak's Egypt.

Gaddafi called upon African nations to create a currency alliance making the gold dinar the primary means of payment for oil and other resources.

The dream of the African nations was at the same time a nightmare for Western financial elites.
In light of this it is hardly surprising that Wall Street and the City of London threw their weight behind the NATO-led campaign aimed against the "rebellious" Libyan leader.

https://sputniknews.com/amp/politics/201603171036485001-gaddafi-gold-story/

Susu888:
Actions speak louder than words! We don’t need a stupid debate where they will spew lies nd unsubstantiated theories trying to sound smart nd serious! We the sane ones r satisfied with Buhari’s actions so far nd hv experienced both Atiku nd PDP’s actions. We prefer our retired General... Sai Buhari till 2023 by God’s Grace! Nigeria will take back its place as the Giant of Africa.

Where is the sanity in perpetuating failure and recycling incompetence. A sane person will not be interested in the WHATs but the WHYs, WHENs and HOWs which is the only way to decipher real vision from unsubstantiated theories like you put it, through an open debate. A sane person will recognize that there are alternatives to Buhari and Atiku.

You can not celebrate mediocrity and claim to be sane.

ImperialYoruba:
If you put Atiku in debate to freestyle he will embarass Nigeria with his weird policies. Please save us the ridicule.

Ill give 100% resource control to ND
Ill sell 99% of NNPC
Ill risk high inflation & bring investors
Ill do one term but entitled to two
Ill restructure even without NASS
Im be allowed into US if im president

Such an embarassing chippychappy

Let them all debate, present their facts, counter their arguments, puncture each other's arguments. It is very necessary at this time.

Stocking:
And so what?
Is it in the constitution that a contestant must debate?
Nonsense!

Some people can defend nonsense sha

If the secession clause had been included in the constitution at that time, the union would have broken up within two years because there were several post-independence crises. However, I strongly believe that the clause should have been included but made terminal.

It should have been written as option of a referendum after a cyclic period not less than 30 years (for instance) for the people to continually decide if or not the union will continue.

Nnamdi Azikiwe had a vision of cohesion in Nigeria and Africa in general but he probably overestimated the situation.

chemK:
This guy should shut up and stop saying anything to get attention. He has already lost value.

It's either you are totally out of touch with reality or you are just in denial.

Does anyone else not find it suspicious that, inspite of all the revelations, the Nigerian media have been unusually mute on this matter.

Is it not also worth noting that Femi Adesina, while trying to prove Buhari's participation in the Paris event, was busted in a deliberate attempt to manipulate old pictures as part of the cover up.

The article below was written by an anonymous individual. I noticed that the thread I opened was taken down within an hour. Read and gauge for yourself.

PROF. OSINBAJO and JUBRIN AL-SUDANI CONNECTION

It's with a heavy heart but a great sense of responsibility and patriotism that I give this brief account of what I know as an insider about the very catastrophic events that have seized our dear country Nigeria currently. Every man must account for their actions and inactions before our maker sooner or later.
Our highly cerebral brother Prof. Yemi OSINBAJO is a highly learned attorney and Pentecostal Pastor who likes to put up a facade of a wiseman and a pius Christian.
Therefore it was not a surprise that many Nigerians were shocked at the news-break a couple days back that he has been indicted by the National House of Representatives with regards to his misappropriation of a whopping N5.8B being monies meant for the most deprived, endangered and vulnerable fellow citizens of Nigeria.
The question on the lips of most Nigerians now is, Prof, where lies thy wisdom, thy piety, thy anti- corruption mantra and posturing?
This brings us to the major theme of this piece. Prof. Yemi Osinbajo is a very important pawn on the chase board of a very rabid, ferocious and vicious power hungry cabal who currently exercise absolute hegemonic authority in our country today.
This cabal is made up of COS Abba Kyari, NSA Monguno, former DG DSS Lawal Daura, Buhari's relative Mamman Daura, COAS Buratai( keeping an eye on the military), El-Rufai( providing the intellectual fibre because of his pseudo-intellectual pretensions) and a few others. This cabal has an inexhaustible war chest and unfettered access to the national till.

That is why it will not be wrong to add the GMD NNPC Maikanti Baru, the Controller-Gen of Customs Rt.Col Hameed Ali and the DG of NPA Hadiza Bala Usman as members of this cabal. They bring the cash as and when needed, any amount. Hadiza is represented by El-Rufai and some other proxies.

The reasons and how our learned brother, SAN and Pastor got himself into this big mess in which he currently finds himself speak very loudly to his unbridled greed and inordinate ambition. It's a well known fact amongst the Aso Rock cabal that our brother the VP is very corrupt and has his locker full of financial skeletons.
Right from the inception of the current government when PMB put him in charge of NEMA, OSINBAJO has been neck deep in unsavoury financial malfeasance and the cabal has been taking note. This rendered him vulnerable and subject to blackmail in the hands of the cabal who didn't want to bother him as it's well known that the matter of anti-corruption is not something that ranks high in their lists of priorities.

So when in January 2017 Buhari passed on in a U.K. hospital, our learned brother, SAN, Pastor and VP was expected to take over as per our constitution. However the cabal told him that he could not as they would not allow a Yar'Adua-Jonathan scenario to replay. One would have expected him to resist the cabal at that stage with the full support and weight of the famed Lagos press and the formidable Lagos based Civil Society Orgs. But alas our man had lost his voice and chickened out and surprisingly agreed to serve as VP to a body double, a half educated, low profile, local actor and ex jail bird from Sudan. OSINBAJO could not stand up to the cabal because his hands were soiled in corruption at NEMA. N5.8B was traced directly to him amongst many other financial infractions. The cabal opened book for him and ordered him to keep quiet. One of them confided in a close aide that "he can never open his mouth because he'll end up in prison, that he's too greedy and corrupt"

The cabal proceeded to viciously humiliate and undermine him in every material way on daily basis, sidelining him in major decisions, preventing him from having direct dealings and interactions with his principal, Jubrin Al-Sudani and assigning very menial and sometimes dirty jobs to him to do.
Like always justifying the murderous activities of the Fulani herdsmen and asking Nigerian Christians to pray for the herdsmen while declaring that his unarmed IPOB Southern brothers should be destroyed by the Nigerian military. Even telling blatant lies and using his legal skills to defend the indefensible failures of the the Govt of the cabals.
A source very close to him and one of his security details once came to tears while narrating the ordeals of his Oga in the hands of this vicious and merciless cabals that has no conscience but blamed him for making himself vulnerable because of greed for money and political office.

Now, last week the cabal decided that it was time to "shake him a little" because of the new NNAMDI KANU's revelations about Jubrin Al-Sudani. Following the very precise and mind blowing revelations by NNAMDI KANU, the cabal quickly met and reviewed their strategies for survival. They reasoned that under pressure that Osinbajo cannot be trusted being Yoruba and an outsider in the power caucus of Aso-Rock. So they asked their point men at the National Assembly to open his case in order to remind him to remain loyal and remember that "we are all in this together"

Osinbajo's immediate crisis of confidence started on the eve of Prince Charles' visit to Nigeria. The cabal tried to make overtures and offers to Aisha Buhari to come to Abuja to play the role of First Lady to President Jubrin but she refused. Prof. Osinbajo was expected to put the wife forward to play the role but he wasn't forthcoming but instead was " speaking grammar" according to insiders. That singular behaviour raised some suspicions about his continued loyalty and commitment to the oat of secrecy regarding Jubrin. They therefore asked their men at NASS to 'beat him into line' by opening the 'book of sins'

Now that the NASS has done their work, Osinbajo has gone to the Cabal on his four limbs to renew his pledge of absolute allegiance and oat of secrecy and the matter of N5.8B public fund embezzled by him will be swept under the carpet for now. Nothing will come out of it as long as he cooperates with regards to Jubrin Al-Sudani project.

They say Osinbajo is not a man of honour or piety as he would want the world to believe. His major character flaw is greed.

When Osinbajo was invited to the UK hospital to meet with Jubrin, after the passing of Buhari, the cabal said they expected him to show some surprise or to raise some objections but instead he was grinning from ear to ear saying it was a 'perfect job and we'll push it through, no problems, God will help us'

On the other hand Mrs KEMI ADEOSUN is an honourable woman. From the outset she worried that the Jubrin project was terrible, perfidious and will attract consequences at the end of the day. She confided in close aides that she couldn't wait to exit 'a deceitful, desperate and ethnocentric Govt'

ROCHAS OKOROCHA who was in the habit of speaking only Hausa to Buhari when he was alive, after his first encounter with Jubrin in the Uk hospital expressed mixed feelings that 'this project might not fly for too long. This man's Hausa is not very "done" and might give him away. Again I know my Igbo brothers they will scrutinise and scrutinise until they find out our trick'

TINUBU from the outset was for the Jubrin project, although he was informed very late, but he felt he had IOU with the Govt and would not mind if Lucifer himself would come to Aso Rock to honour it.
He's an unconscionable political entrepreneur who has always boasted that he can deal politically even with the devil himself. That's Jagaban. He's a co-conspirator in this project and that explains why his TV station TVC and Newspaper The Nation are silent.
He's not a patriot but an opportunist.

ATIKU ABUBAKAR is very much aware although he was a late convert to the idea after the deed had been perfected. They couldn't trust him at the inception but had to carry him along later.

OBJ got to find out much later and was furious but confided in close aides that in the interest of national security and peace the best thing was to vote Jubrin out into "oblivion or grave in 2019"
This is also IBB's position.

TY DANJUMA was mad when he found out but was overwhelmed by the fact that he hasn't the means to fight the cabal.

NNAMDI KANU has a formidable international intelligence network that enables him to do what he's doing and stay a step ahead of us. The Govt knows this very well and should have employed a different initiative in dealing with him and his group. The Govt aroused the beast in him in the botched attempt to assassinate him and his parents. That was a regrettable error.

AISHA BUHARI is a very humane and enlightened activist widow.
She hates the cabal who are using a foreign body double to impersonate the late husband. She complains that whenever she sets sight on Jubrin Al-Sudani even on the television, that she experiences nightmares as she feels like she's seen the ghost of her late husband.
She complains to her children and relatives that her husband is not resting in peace and that what the cabal has done is against the teachings of Islam.
The cabal has now bought her silence with money, Billions in US Dollars, the type she had never dreamt of.

This ruling cabal excises rulership and authority over a country of about 180 million citizens with over 300 ethnic nationalities through a collegiate group made up of only three tribes- the Fulani, Hausa and Kanuri. They are in power for only three reasons:
(1) Money
(2) Supremacist ethnic agenda
(3) Islamisation of the social, public,military and paramilitary spaces in Nigeria.

Nigerians should take note that in this evil project the entire APC leadership including State governors and ministers are stakeholders and also many privileged Nigerian elites. They are all benefiting from it through corrupt financial deals.

Written by a concerned Nigerian

PS: I am beginning to believe the allegations about the mods in this section. No matter how people conspire to bury the truth it will be exposed very soon.

Officialpdpnig:
Not necessary

I'm actually interested in the news that's why I asked, but if you decline no bigs

Officialpdpnig:
If you say so. All I am saying is that you mark this post down. I have said my piece.

Willie Obiano has vowed to deliver Anambrs to APC. He has sent his PA, Chinedu Obidigwe and other top chiefs to assure Buhari of this victory in exchange for a free and fair governorship election in Anambra under the backing of the FG.

I will not say more than this. If you like call me a psycho. It will not change what I have said.

Explain further.

JustRUN:
Very well said bro, why threatening to speak out when you are keeping mute? They can as well be bold and outspoken without giving a hint to the zookromorons involved rather than being apologetic and seeking pity face from Nigerians.

I believe the plan is to use whatever information they have as a bargaining tool. In a situation where they are ignored, they probably will start singing. Unfortunately, it might be too late because I expect countermeasures to be in play by now.

25yearsme:
igbo should forget this second place fight and wait for 1st place, when i was sch someone asked me the first man to travel the moon, i answered, he then asked me the second man to go there again i couldnt reply. no one remembers you, u dnt matter if u are not the first. as 2nd u will be in the shadows of the 1st. vision 2023

The analogy does not relate in any way.
Then again, is it thesame 2023 that SW bargained with four years ago that you think the Igbos will bank on.

If this report credited to him is true, he actually said nothing with all those words. If he, and the others threatening to "talk", are sincere with themselves let them start talking. Since they have agreed that there is evil, keeping mute about it only show they are part of the evil they claim to raise alarm about.

RockHard:
Dude, no matter how you want to slice or dice it, the fact remains that the data in question is the closest to anything credible to guesstimate the country's current population spread. If you wanna argue about multiple lines, then that 'slash' you speak of would have to apply across board. And unless you wanna argue that SE folks prefer single sim phones or are too broke to recharge their phone lines in order to keep them active compared to Nigerians in other parts of the country then I don't see the point. The remarkable thing about the data is that it is devoid of bias, unlike general censuses that are always mired in controversy.

I don't recall discrediting the credibility of the data, it satisfies it's own purpose. Mind you, if you actually read my post with an objective mind, which I doubt you did, you would have noticed that my own argument is that none of the statistics is sufficient to give a realistic idea of the population by ethnic groups.

While my point as regards the original post is that it is impossible that the Hausas will have a population approximately equal to the two other major ethnic groups (Igbo and Yoruba) combined, you are probably interested in proving that the Yorubas have more population. It is not my interest to debate in that line so you must understand that before you argue further.

RockHard:
In the words of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, 'You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts'. I have presented some credible and verifiable data that at least serve as a guide to the estimated population spread of the country in the absence of a recent census. You Mr. are free to believe whatever you please.

You fail to understand my point. When I said "those assumptions will not fly", I was referring to these:

RockHard:
Look here, even if we are to dash igbos 4 to 5-million out of the SW numbers...

RockHard:
Even if you subtract 10-million from the Lagos numbers and dash them to the combination of Igbos, foreigners and other tribes in the state...

In the first instance, the debate here was that the statistics in the original post are grossly misrepresented, but basing your own argument on telecoms active voice subscription is totally off point in this discuss.

If you even consider that most people use multiple lines it will probably slash the actual head count by half which would mean that the data spread is just about 25% of the population which does not sufficiently address the topic, but I understand what you are particularly interested in anyways.

RockHard:
Yorubas don't have to leave the SW to prove any point. Even without including Yoruba population in other parts of Nigeria, we still dust una hands down with our SW population alone.

RockHard:
Go back to my earlier posts where I addressed that.

Those assumptions will not fly.

RockHard:
The only thing we have that is closest to an informed estimate of population spread are the telecoms data (attached below) because it is unbiased in any form, and it clearly shows the SE as the least populated while the SW is the single largest/most populated. Oyo and Ogun population alone are more than those of the SE combined (without including Lagos or Ekiti, Ondo, Osun or Kwara and Yoruba-speaking Kogi).

You do recognize that this data does not sufficiently address the population by tribe right?
Let us assume everyone is fully captured, how then do you account for the non-locals in other regions

I expected to see a picture of the leader or spokesman of the group not the picture of a mosque.

OP, I can assure you than any Igbo man you see claiming to be a Muslim is just doing business and not religion; I'm assuming you've actually seen one.

bigfrancis21:
Because it is a combined figure. Even at that, 27% is somewhat on the high side. Individually you might have 14% and 13% respectively for Hausa and Fulani (my guess). I still wonder why those 2 different ethnic groups are often grouped together.

There's a 6.3% quoted for the Fulanis which appears to be independent of the Hausa figure, so that should bring the total to 33.7%

I find it hard to believe that the Hausas (alone) are more than a quarter of the country's population, their population being approximately equal to the other two major tribes combined. That's totally ridiculous

Interesting perspectives