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FxMasterz:
I am an Oyo Prince. If you don't understand what I wrote, shut up and get out of my mentions.

Will you shut up with your constant gibberish?

I would leave you with this picture. Ooni is the central father figure!

Shattuck:
obatala was a name of a person not a title it wasnt just lajuwa who seized power the entire ife leadership throne has never been from one genealogy, neither was it organized if you never had an organized leadership how then is it possible than you ancestors found the Benin monarchy when the Benin kingdom already had an lineage of ascension to the throne that ile ife didn't have? If there is anything history teaches us is that a Benin prince at one time ruled ife, which makes sense before ife didn't have a line of succession anyone could have been ooni, even till this day the household of the ooni is been debated and does not even follow a line of succession.

Ode. Obatala was a king and an Orisha. Sink that into your brain first. Instead of constantly writing gibberish.

FxMasterz:
I don't discuss with brainless kids. I only stated facts according as it is written in books. Abusing me and insulting me in order to state your points shows how brainless and untrained you are. Children that lack home training should get off my mentions. I don't reply nonentities.

It's even laughable to read this buffoon saying the Alaafin is the son of Oranmiyan.

See tears and wailing at the face of facts. You started the insult by misrepresenting facts while saying gibberish! I deal in fact, not stupidity. If you weren't stupid you would know Oranmiyan was the first ruler of Oyo and his son continued the reign, just like his other sons ruled Bini and Ife. Oranmiyan is the Link while Ooni of Ife is the head and is under no empire. Ooni is the father, even as Oba of Bini always referred to the Ooni as his father.

As I said, Ooni dresses like Obatala who's the first king of Ife and his descendants continued to reign before another Yoruba named man, Oduduwa of Oke ora was also picked by Ifa to become the king thereby signifying the creation of the universe where both Obatala and Oduduwa formed the equal halves of a sphere which created the universe.

Danand1:
Ōbà-tálá, not ōbā-tálá. That there is a word Oba in one tribe does not mean it can't be in another

Ode, Obatala means king of light! You dey craze?

FxMasterz:
The Ooni was not a king but an ifa priest. The original king of ife went on a war against popular advice. Before he left he installed the priest of ife as administrattor in his absence. The king was stopped by the river Niger on his war expedition. Due to shame, he couldn't return back to ife. He turned aside and founded Oyo ilé which now metamorphosed into Oyo Empire. The ife king never returned to ife till he died but he ruled as Alaafin of Oyo in his self exile. Meanwhile the ife priest who was installed as administrator became king and was referred to as Ooni of ife. The Ooni dresses like an ifa priest till today because he is indeed an ifa priest.

This also explains why the Ooni gives up his stool to the king of Benin on a visitation. The king of bein is Omo n' ọba which means Omo Oba (Prince) in Yoruba land. With the understanding that the Oba of Benin is an ife Prince, the Ifa Priest must honour the prince whenever he visits.

Dundee, Have you seen the letter of the Oba of Bini to Ife where he called him Oghene, father?

If you had a brain, you would know Obatala and Oduduwa were both the king of Ife. And no, the Ooni dresses like Obatala which means purity & enlightenment. Ife is the home of the Yoruba hence has no empire because it controls both the east and west of the Yoruba. The great great grandchild of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan left for igodomido (a Yoruba named camp) to put order in the place while civilizing it. He left his child as the king of Bini and returned to Ife to become the king. He later left another of his child in Ife and Left for Oyo where he also became the king. Thus Oranmiyan was the link. His son at the central of Ife controls the affair of the central, East and West of the Yoruba while he was under no empire. However the West was controlled by another Oranmiyan's son in Oyo who controls the affair of the West which was under the affair of the Oyo empire. While the East of Yoruba was controlled by another of Oranmiyan's son in Bini. Hence why the Oba of Bini back then was allowed to act anyhow he liked in every Yoruba land. So, Oranmiyan was the link however Ife was the central head of everything and was under no empire hence why he was called Oghene, the father by Oba of Bini. He's the head of everything.

Shattuck:
what does oba mean in Yoruba language, if oba truly represents king how come non of your ancient kingship bears the title of oba, if ife is the ancestral home as you claim and ooni is the title of the ruler of ife, why did the ooni not name the the benin king as the ooni of Benin? How come no other ancient kingdom in Yorubaland bears oba, except lagos which was founded by the Benin kingdom which the oba of lagos claim his descendants are from Benin, the Benin kingdom is one of the oldest civilization and according to history a Benin prince left the Benin kingdom to ife the same prince sent one of his son's to return to Benin and become the king after his father's demise, not that the Yoruba established kingship in Benin, btw the oba is not an original yoruba word it is a borrowed word probably inspired by the Benin kingdom, because if it means king originally the ooni of ife, alaafin of oyo, soun of Ogbomosho would have been referred to as oba of ife, oba of oyo, and Ogbomosho respectively.

Even a fool knows the word Oba is Yoruba! You dey craze?

Let me even indulge your stupidity, you don't know about Obatala?

Oba of bini has no right to even suspend them because everyone has a right to talk about his history to begin with. Abi na craze dey worry am? Like, who does that? Na craze dey worry am? He's actually scared because these chiefs are now talking about their Yoruba history when he thought he was the only one who's a Yoruba thus was constantly saying gibberish while expecting the Yoruba to constantly overlook his constant gibberish since he's a Yoruba. Lol. That was how he wanted to be saying gibberish about the Itsekiri/Jekri. Anyway, he now knows that he's not the only one who's a Yoruba descendant. The ogiso of igodomido (a Yoruba name) were also Yoruba descendants and can even take back their throne from him. Do anyhow and see any how!

Tbh, I see why some often bring this up, considering some similar strange cultures such as, making the second twin the elder of the twins, female child inheritance etc and there are also the several Yoruba words which matches the Hebrew words with similar meanings, such as

Aye (Hayah) means to exist or life.

Aanu (Hannah) means Mercy/favour.

Orun (Arun) means height.

Lale (Laylah) means Night.

Binu (benas) means anger.

Melo (Melo) means fullness.

Iwa (Iwa) means strong character/righteousness.

Eyinju (Ayin) means Eyes.

Oluwa (Eloah/Elowah) means Lord.

Ara (Raahm) means thunder.

Ori (Rosh) means head.

Ibere (Barasheet) means beginning.

Baale (Baale of Judah).

And so-on.

Meanwhile, the Yoruba weren't even trading with the Hebrews hence the reason why these are all strange. Lol. Aside that, Ifa which is Yoruba religion (and also entails the history of the Yoruba) talks about the Messiah being the Word born of a virgin woman as the begotten child of God while also referring to the Yoruba as "Omoluabi" which means the children of God. Also, the Yoruba have also got similar names for God as the Hebrew's names for God for example, Yoruba names for God are Oluwa, Olorun, Eledumare, ìyè/Eriwoyah which are similar to the Hebrew's names for God such as Eloah/Elowah, Elohim, El 'mareh, Yahweh..

All these are mysterious tbh.

Anyways, I have come to a stage where I have decided on two theories which are, either the Yoruba were Hebrew who left Egypt at the time the Hebrew were still in Egypt (Moses also left too and would have stayed where he was if not for the fact that he was asked to go lead out the other Hebrews). As I previously stated, if the Yoruba were Hebrews, I understand why all that were happening in Judea were also happening in Yorubaland since the Hebrew were promised of the Messiah 🤔 Either that or the Yoruba are just ancient people doing their things. It's even annoying that the ancient Egyptians described as blacks by the Greeks such as Aristotle, Plato etc were destroyed by the Arabs who had almost destroyed the other Northern Africans, including the Hausa who were already having most of their language changed into that of Arab until Rupert East preserved what was left of their Hausa language by asking the Hausa to document it.

Tbh, while the Europeans aren't without faults of course, however, I actually appreciate the fact that they preserved the African heritage📌 and ensured a lot were documented back then, as well as the map!

April4th:
Your ignorance is stinking and your foolishness knows no bounds. Stop quoting me, if you truly don't have anything to say fool. Mind you, I'm from the two ethnic group been discussed, on this matter I can say I know more than you.

Will you keep quiet? We're talking about facts here which no criminal fools like yourselves can change because everything is already documented. Everyone know their boundaries as I said.

April4th:
See how stupid you sound. If Warri is Itshekiri land, why does your Olu been given boundary adjustment by Agbassa and Okere Urhobo kingdom? Even the land the olu palace is built on, belongs to the Okumagba family. It seems the people advising Tsola, are spoiling for war. They forgot what happened the last time they dared the Ijaws

Who gave him boundary? Last time, Ijaw and Urhobo were sacked from Warri by the supreme court. High time the laws is enacted and Warri state is created to checkmate criminal fools like yourselves. Everyone knows their boundaries.

Iykenuwa:
These people and fake stuff.


Even the Oduduwa is not a yoruba man and none of them can dispute that.

You dey craze. Oduduwa which is a Yoruba name isn't a Yoruba? You dey mad be that.

Even Before the whole existence of Bini and Ekaledehan (a Yoruba name too) who died at Ughoton existed, Oduduwa who was from Oke Ora already existed long ago.

Anyways, the Bini chiefs have always known their histories hence why they came to Ife. Oba of Bini heads were always buried in Ife as a matter of fact because "Ori Ade ko gbodo sun ta".

Lol. He finally admitted.

It's not even about new schools but asking about what Obi did as a governor. We already knew he did nothing in the economy area, even as he was one of the least revenue generating governor while he siphoned the state funds as a Pandora man. Soludo even added that Obi investment was zero, worth next to nothing. So what exactly did he do? Obiano said Obi didn't construct much of the roads he contracted and the few ones were in shambles with potholes which he ended up filling.

Obi only renovated few schools and constructed fews roads which were in shambles with potholes while a lot of people in his state complained about him, even as he was a Pandora man looting the state funds while doing nothing but suddenly he's repackaged by idiots who start to compare him with Tinubu who revamped Lagos economy at the time OBJ was even fighting against him, even as he also birthed BRT, LFTZ, Eko Atlantic, millennium schools etc. Na craze?

Anyways, as I previously stated, Tinubu should focus on restructuring the country to accelerate development. The biggest highlight of the country was when it was practicing regionalism. Also focus on more production industries which includes agro industrialization combined with large scale mechanized farming.

Lol. Truth can't be submerged. The Bini chiefs have always known their histories na. Facts always remains unchanged. The Oba of Bini is Oranmiyan's lineage which founded other towns there as a matter of fact. That's a fact which will always be unchanged.

Meanwhile, Igodomido is a Yoruba name. It was even stated that Bini was a Yoruba camp whenever the Yoruba King journeyed from Ife, even as the name igodomido implies. However, others also began to come there later until Oranmiyan returned to the place to civilize the place with his creative arts & designs.

April4th:
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Dey play except you dey craze. It's Iwere mentioned in Ifa, even as seen in the old map.

As I said, everyone knows their boundaries. Warri is Itsekiri land.

akus6060:
That issue went to court and the ogbolokposo people won the case.

That's why I said only fools think they can steal anyone's territory in this age considering everything is already documented. That being said, the Itsekiri need their own state.

sylve11:
So, why are they in Delta state?

You don't know about state creation again?

Anyways , the Itsekiri need to have their own state. Old map should be used in carving it out. Everyone know their territory. Ijaw's territory for example are in Bayesa, a little above Bayesa and the downward part of River.

sylve11:
I kinda agree with you. At least, you aren't aggressive as the rest of your itsekiri brothers.

Well done.

Nah, you can't cry about anyone's aggression when criminals continue to want to steal land which doesn't belong to them and that's even funny, considering everything is already documented combined with the old map hence, only fools think he can steal anyone's land 🙄. Everyone know their territory as a matter of fact. Anyways, the Oritsekiri/Jekri have had enough. Iwere should have been with their Ondo brothers to begin with, like Ilaje etc..

sylve11:
It'd be nice to give the itsekiris their own state. But there will be issues.

How are you gonna sieve the itsekiris from the local governments where the Urhobos owned?

As I said the old map will be used to carve out the state.

This is 1800's map for example. Can you see the Jekri/Jakri with their Iwere/Warri? It will be simply carved out.

BlackyOne:
Common sense will tell you that before 1991 there was only Warri LGA, and that gave birth to the 3 Warri's.

Okumagba and Okere-usobo was a political kingdom that was instituted using Ibori as their son when he was the governor.

Now let me tell you about Okere Community founded by a warrior from Benin Kingdom called Expenede (Ekpen) in 1497.

Okere comprises six idimis (quarters) and these are;
1. Odekporo,
2. Ogun-Obite,
3. Idimi Ode-lle,
4. Idimi Jakpa,
5. Ajamimogha ( now a Community)
6. Idimi Sobo (Urhobo Quarter) which is the most recent, having come into existence on the arrival of some Urhobo immigrants about 1778 and were allowed to settle there by the reigning Town Head of okere community (Olare Aja) Ogieboro Arukuneyi. Today due to the unhealthy stoning of the embers of ethnicity, Idimi Sobo now calls itself the “Okere Urhobo Clan”.

Idimi sobo (Okere-urhobo) is not only the quarter that broke out from okere, Ajamimogha also broke out to have their own community.

There's nothing like Okere Urhobo. Okere is a Yoruba name. As a matter of fact, when Urhobo who were Bini slaves who trespassed into Bini land were being used as sacrifice by the Bini thus running away, it was Itsekiri who was accommodating the Urhobo in their land. All these are documented as a matter of fact.

Anyways, Itsekiri need their own state. The old map should be used in carving it out.

Na craze? Iwere is Itsekiri land. Iwere is mentioned in Ifa as a matter of fact. In fact, Itsekiri need their own state. The old map should be used in carving it out.

komekn:
You need help you are delusional 😭

I simply stated the truth.

That league has churned out a lot of good talents such as Mane, Haaland, Szoboszlai, Dayot, Alaba etc who are far better than most of the players in the super eagles as a matter of fact. Meanwhile, Tijani actually competed at a young age of 18 against the players in that league after he was invited and was then signed. It shows he's always been a talented player.

As I previously said, defensive astuteness and techniques remain the same irrespective of the league. Someone who's got a good ball touch will always have a good touch irrespective of the league. Likewise someone who's defensively astute will always be the same defensively astute player anywhere. The only area one can question in a poor league is a player's goal scoring ability and vision because it could be that the player has got lots of spaces to exploit, although it may not also be the case in all cases (Look at Haaland for example scoring lots of goals in several leagues .. Moreover, it can also implies that such player knows how to exploit spaces quite well).

Anyways, my point is a player's defensive astuteness or techniques will always be the same except if the player wasn't defensively astute to begin with. Tijani is technical and defensively astute. He displayed the same attributes against inter which he dominated in the midfield as a holding midfielder 📌 Same inter had just recently won the league. Tijani is also rated as one of top youngsters with the top ball recoveries in Europe. He's quite Agile too. What's there not to like? As I said, only fools would cry against the inclusion of a talent in the national team.

Reflect7:
Is this a certified pre-colonial belief, or was Ifa influenced by latter-day christianity?

Ifa predates Christianity. Meanwhile, Ifa also talks about the Messiah which is the Word born of a virgin woman. As I said, if Yoruba are Hebrews, I understand why same events which happened in Judea also happened in Yoruba land however it could also be that the Yoruba are ancient people doing their thing 😂

DOptical:
Speaking of the Hebrew names for God which are similar to the Yoruba names for God.

Yoruba : Hebrew

Oluwa : Eloah/Elowah.
Olorun (Olohun) : Elohim.
Eledumare : El'Mareh.
Ìyè (Eriwoyah) : Yahweh.

Also the Hebrew belief in a messiah to be born of a virgin woman. The Jews are still waiting for their Messiah born of Virgin woman since they already crucified Jesus 😂 While Yoruba had their own Ela, the Word born of a virgin woman, Oyigi. Meanwhile, Elah is also the Hebrew name for God. Ifa also refers to the Messiah as Jewesun, the Lamb. In addition, Ifa also talks about how the Messiah spent 3 nights and 3 days in the grave before reemerging.

All these are really mysterious tbh

Well, if the Yoruba are Hebrews, I can understand why same events happening in Judea was also happening in Yorubaland because the Hebrews were promised of the messiah. Either that or the Yoruba could be ancient people 😂

In addition, let me add that the Jewesun name translate into "let the leaf sleep" which should mean serenity. Well , that was Jesus' character tbh, apart from his powerful nature. Ifa is quite mysterious tbh, considering the mention of the Messiah by a virgin woman and also the name Jewesun mentioned as the Lamb by Ifa. This is similar to Jesus (Yeshua) which Christianity uses today. Funnily, Yoruba also tend to pronunce Y as J sometimes. For example, "it shall be" in Yoruba is "Yoowa" which is "Ye ki o wa" in full expatiation. However, it's also pronounced as "Je ki o wa" in Yoruba. So Yoruba uses J for Y at times. Just as J is often used for Y when it comes to the Hebrew. For example, Yehudah is also called Judah!

All these are mysterious though. Whichever ways, Yoruba could also be ancient people doing their things anyway.

Onakoya. The fila is goated 🔥.. He's Adekunle Olopade's twin brother considering they're both birthday mates. Both of them are intelligent too.

Just imagine. All these useless people must return Nigeria looted money. Useless people who couldn't even invest into industrialization in the country. Very stupid useless people

komekn:
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Comparison creates the standards.

The Nigerian premier league is a top quality league when compared to for example the Niger league.

Playing in the EPL is not the same as the French league, that is fact. And you think the degree of difficulty and technicality required to Excel in the EPL is the same as the Austrian Bundesliga hmm🥺🥺

Top players start excelling in their teenage years and by 21 a good number are top level professionals even world class.

How old was Rooney, Ronaldo, Rahim, Rashford, etc when they broke through. So 21 is definitely old enough.

Jude Bellingham was 16 when he broke through in the Championship and Dortmund paid £25 million for him.

You are too emotional and overcome with favouritism, Tijani has been in the low level Austrian Bundesliga for 4 year's that's enough time to make your mark. He did not just get there.

Injuries do not last for 4 years even an ACL can be overcome in 6 months sometimes less.

As I said, only a fool thinks the Austrian league which has churned out the likes of Mane, Halaand, Szoboszlai, Dayot, etc who are all far better than most of the super eagle's players is a poor league. The brainless fool keep crying about young abroad players who were already in the academy big clubs. It shows the level of such stupidity. How old was Neymar when he left the Brazilian league? He was 21 years old. And yes, 21 yrs old is a young age. Tijani even left for abroad at the age of 18. Competed at the age of 18 against the players there and was signed. Had injury in his first season which disrupted his early season in a new country but he's doing quite fine at his young age.

As I previously stated, the defensive astuteness and technicality of a player remains unchanged irrespective of the league. A case study is Neymar. Tijani is doing quite well as a young midfield talent with his defensive astuteness, agility, technicality and being one of the top youngsters with the top ball recoveries in Europe. In fact, he recently dominated Inter midfield despite his young age. Same inter had just recently won the serie a league.

And I repeat, only a fool keeps crying against a talent in the national team.

komekn:
It's considered intelligent to examine the facts and not just pursue an argument based on blinded favouritism and sentiment.

The Austrian league is rated 14 in Europe just behind Denmark it's obscure in comparison to the top leagues in Europe that's a plain fact.

21 is no longer too young in Football ⚽ and he has been there for 4 years that's too long to make a claim for exceptional ability.

I'm sorry the degree of technicality skill application and difficulty is not the same in every league. Your proposition in bold is with respect nonsensical.

David Alaba played 5 games in the Austrian Bundesliga before he was immediately bought by Bayern Munich. You have given credence to my opinion by default.

Tijani has been in the Austrian Bundesliga for 4 seasons that's too long to be discovered if he is any good as you claim.

Only fools would even say Austrian league which has Red bull Salzburg etc is a poor league. Same Austrian league which churned out the likes of Szoboszlai, Halaand, Dayot, Mane etc?

Of course no one is saying the Austri league is a top league like the EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A but it's a good league nonetheless. In a good league or even less, I repeat, the defensive astuteness and technicality of a player remain the same irrespective of the league. It's only poor scouts who can't scout well. Take a look at Neymar who left the Brazilian league at the age of 21. He continued to be the same technical player in the top league.

Secondly, it's like it went over your brain since you keep forgetting that Tijani who just got there had injury which disrupted his season at 18. He's doing quite fine at his young age and yes 21 years is a young age. In addition, he recently dominated Inter midfield while playing as a holding midfielder. Same inter who had just recently won the league. Point is he's a midfield talent who's defensively astute, agile and technical.

All in all, anyone crying against a talent to be seen in the national team is a stupid fool!

TheSuperNerd:
More lies from an obvious desperate agent trying so hard to market a player on this thread.

Tijani didn't boss nothing vs Inter. 45mins off the bench. Created no chance. Gave no lines breaking pass. Only distinguished himself in duels and was just decent in his ball touches and general passing.


And he has been tried before. He played 5mins plus added time of the game vs Algeria in 2020 under Rohr as an 18 yrs old. ONLY A FOOL WILL LIE HE PLAYED FOR ONE MINUTE AND WAS 17. HE WAS 18 YRS 4 MONTHS OLD, YOU SILLY BOY.


Tijani is below Onyedika and Yusuf in talent and tactical ability for the holding midfield role. There is nothing more to see at the moment. He brings nothing different. This is a lad I watch. So only a stupid fellow will want same of the same tried when it will obviously lead to no different result.

Carry on in your stupidity, desperate agent. You have been exposed. I am done with your lies and desperation to promote a lad under clouds of lies and fake analyses.

Go and watch that match before crying like a lunatic. Lol 😂

Meanwhile, a holding midfielder is supposed to be defensively astute at screening the midfield in front of the defence while circulating the ball with good awareness all around. That's Tijani prowess which he showcased in that match and even more. He's agile, technical and defensively astute.

He was top notch against Inter who just won the serie a. Nigeria team midfield needs an improvement, not the shambles against Guinea, Mali, Ivory, SA etc. Only fools would argue otherwise.

TheSuperNerd:
Tijani played 45mins of that friendly game from the bench. He bossed nothing. Just a decent game he had.


Also, Tijani has been tried before in our midfield. Right now, he just isn't up to par with the profiles in the team in Same role he plays.

Lastly, The bolded exposes you already. You are just another pseudo-analyst cum troll agent hiding behind "midfield needs improvement" to promote your client, Samson Tijani. Why add another banana to a better bunch of bananas? Why not bring an apple or pineapple?

Sorry boy....

Tijani only played 1 minute in the closing match around 89 -90 mins or so while he was 17 yrs thus only a fool would say he was tried at all.

And yes, Tijani bossed the midfield in that Inter match in the recent preseason. Same Inter just won the serie a recently.

I repeat you dey craze for crying against a midfield talent not to be tried in the midfield.

TheSuperNerd:
Tijani never bossed Inter's midfield. And the game you refer to was last year in a club friendly. He was decent. He didn't boss the middle game.

And Nigeria has a holding midfielder already. What we lack is a true DLP, a true regista.

Cease this obvious cry of yours. It is more like you promoting a client of yours rather than you truly analysing football.

It was this season friendly match.
Tijani bossed that match as a holding midfielder. Similar to how Maino did well in the midfield against Arsenal in the preseason.

You're the one crying against a midfield talent not to be tried in the midfield. You dey craze!

TheSuperNerd:
And Tijani is definitely not the answer at the moment. End it.

Same Tijani who bossed Inter midfield? You must be crazy. As I said, Tijani is a midfield talent who's defensively astute, agile and technical. What's there not to like? And yes, Nigeria midfield needs a holding midfielder.