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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 1:21pm On Dec 21, 2009
Found this very funny:

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How to be an Arsenal doom and gloomer in ten easy steps

1.  Take individual moments from games and use them as proof for your point.   But avoid seeing these in context.   So if a player makes a bad pass just before the opposition score, focus on that, blame him for the goal, and ignore anything else he did in the game.   Keep the whole argument incredibly simple, as in, “I don’t know why he perseveres with Denilson, he can’t pass, he can’t tackle, he can’t do anything.  Better to play Diaby – at least he’s tall and can get in the way.”

2.  Blame individual players - for example, Almunia or Denilson.  Make it clear that they are utterly hopeless, and that everyone who has properly watched the game will clearly see that this is the case.   It thus becomes an article of faith that anyone who doesn’t see this fact, was not watching the game, and therefore does not have a valid opinion.  The awful players (in your eyes) are not fit to wear the shirt, and should never be allowed to play for Arsenal again.

3.  Do not allow everyone to have own opinion. Rather than ever admit that there might be multiple opinions about a particular player, event or whole game, insist in all your writing that your opinion is the only possible conclusion that can be reached.  Anyone who can’t see it is A SlowPoke.  A one line put down for someone speaking up for a player you are slagging off is the best way to deal with alternative perspectives.  Your view is that it is possible to see the world through a singular pair of eyes.  In which case anyone who disagrees is clearly not seeing the world as it should be.   (Which is why it is also important to develop an incredibly pompous style).

4.  Take as a starting point the vision that you know more than the manager, even if you have never managed a team, and never won the league title.  Likewise take also as a starting point the fact that your views are not being put into effect as proof that the manager has lost it.  Since there is only one right vision of the game, and you are expressing it, the manager is, by clear extension, a dope.   Clearly you must know more about the players’ abilities than the manager even though you don’t see the players in training, because you are critical of the manager.   In effect you have to take the vision that everything can be judged from the game.  This has to be self-evident.  What you must therefore deny is that a match can be part of the development of a side.  So if you were there watching the first games of Bergkamp or Pires or Henry you would say, “they are rubbish, they can’t score, they can’t pass”, because if you watch those first games (in Pires’ case most of the first season) you will not see the players they became.   Becoming and developing are not permissible.  Everything is to be judged on the game today.  If it is not right today, the player must go.

5.  If the manager gets it right, argue that he should have done it before (on the grounds that you have been telling him).  This again is part of the argument about being against development – if the manager believes that a player can develop and become better and better, you will not allow that.  Since no one is right all the time, the manager will make mistakes, but since you are against all development, anyone who plays for the club and is not perfect has to go.

6.  Never admit you were wrong. This is easy because you know you are never wrong.  In fact, a short-term memory dysfunction is rather good here.   Keep it simple.   Insult anyone who disagrees with you, since your approach is obviously right.  If you were part of the “Song’s not fit to wear the shirt,” brigade after the game against Fulham, just let that memory go, unless you really want to stand up against the crowd and say that Song is still no good.  But be careful – go too far and you could look silly!

7.  If we win well, say that we were lucky. If the defence shuts out the opposition, say that the opposition attack was weak and that we won’t be ok when we come up against real opposition.  In short, when we win always say, “don’t kid yourselves.”  Remind everyone of the defeats that have hurt all of us, and focus strongly on them.  A good line would be, “You can’t seriously believe that an Arsenal team that can be beaten 3-0 at home is actually going to win anything.”   It is important to ignore details.

8.  Avoid statistics, especially such things that show in numbers that Denilson touches the ball more than other players, makes more passes than other players, has more successful intercepts than other players.  If anyone else quotes stats then say, “you can prove anything with statistics.”  Alternatively make some up – for example arguing that our attacking potential is clearly useless, when we are in fact joint top scorers in  the league.

9.  Always deny that you are part of the doom and gloom mob by saying that you are telling it as it is, and that anyone who suggests otherwise is being silly or silly, or whatever insult you want.   Call any blog that does not agree with you, “an unhealthy love-in”.  But do not at any time have anything to do with humour.  This is a serious matter and must be discussed seriously at all times.

10.  Ignore all economic realities. Ignore the fact that Chelsea are run and owned by a Russian to whom the club is now £700m in debt.  Ignore the fact that Manchester United are £750m in debt and have stopped paying interest on their borrowings.  Ignore the fact that Liverpool are £350m in debt and the banks want their money back.  Ignore the fact that West Ham are living in three month bursts as they wait every quarter for the courts in Iceland to decide how much longer they can live.  Ignore the fact that a coup, economic downturn or simple bout of plain old boredom could leave Manchester City as much on the scrap heap as Portsmouth.  Ignore all these and other economic truths, and insist that the only way to win anything is by buying some of the top players of the moment at current prices.[/quote]Now examine yourself and see if you partake in any of these.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 2:47am On Dec 21, 2009
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 2:20am On Dec 21, 2009
[Quote]But I don't want to always be remembered for being the youngest England player to score a hat-trick. I need to look at that game and see what I did well and use it as a springboard.

"With the injuries I have had, it has set me back a bit since then.

"I need to get back to that level. I need to get MORE involved and I need to get MORE goals.

"First and foremost, I need to get a consistent run in the Arsenal side. That has to be the focus. I can't start looking too far ahead.[/quote]Nice words from Theo, I will no longer hammer him though he still has to convince me of his creative abilities and justify why he is more deserving of a first team position aheads of the other lads. He is right in saying that this year is significant for him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 11:43pm On Dec 19, 2009
edoyad:
Somebody tell me if Wenger is planning to use Sylvest against Agbonlahor and Milner so i can predict correctly ? I'm sure y'all start saying Almunia is the greatest goalie in Arsenal's history grin
I hope and pray Traore has recovered by then cos Young and Milner wld expose his lack of pace seriously.
Almunia isn't bad but he isn't very good either, Tech9 is doing very well on his loan at Brentford (has had about 3 MOM performances in 6 appearances for them), he will go out on loan again in the new year and then will be back next season to take up the gloves.
Here are quotes from a Brentford fans forum on his performance against MK Dons  today:
"Some class saves from Poland's no.1 who is one of the best I have seen in our colours."

"We defended well, Chesney was more than outstanding, if he doesn't pull on the no1 shirt Poland in a senior match, then there is no justice."

"We played our new "winning" formation of 4-1-4-1, defended well most of the time, rode our luck, a goalkeeper who made a stunning save and was dominant"

" Brilliant defending- we must keep Chesney for the rest of the season!"
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Eduardo was sharp but final ball disappointing, do you know if he wasn't so near the touch line he'd have directed that ball away from goal ?
Methinks there is something up with him yet to be made public, Eduardo used to be an assasin but now is averaging about 2 howlers per match, glad he scored today though shld do his confidence a world of good
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: **Breaking News- Man City To Sack Mark Hughes Today !*** by duduspace(m): 8:55pm On Dec 19, 2009
Fools are often soon parted from their money. Let the Abu Dhabi group continue to waste their money, I hope he gets good compensation.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Hull City [3 - 0]On Saturday 19th Dec 2009 by duduspace(m): 8:51pm On Dec 19, 2009
debosky:
He was decent and it is appreciated to have a cool head to slot in after your first THREE LBs are injured.
Silvestre did great and its good we have him, I still have heart murmurs when he's playing against a pacy winger but he's got so much experience but the legs are no longer obeying his instructions.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Hull City [3 - 0]On Saturday 19th Dec 2009 by duduspace(m): 8:27pm On Dec 19, 2009
Ibime:
Where dem Diaby haters at?

1 goal, 1 assist, who wan try?

All dem criticisms of overdribbling is cos he was playing on the wing. You wont see overdribbling when he's playing in CM.
I will take a player who can at least hold the ball and dribble ahead of one who just runs around all day.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Hull City [3 - 0]On Saturday 19th Dec 2009 by duduspace(m): 8:25pm On Dec 19, 2009
Muki, its not just about scoring but the total contribution in the game and that is the root of my complaints about Walcott.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Hull City [3 - 0]On Saturday 19th Dec 2009 by duduspace(m): 8:08pm On Dec 19, 2009
Goal or not, Eduardo has got some problems that need sorting out, I wonder if everything is as it shld be on the home front. undecided

Our boys have really grown, this was a game we could have lost last season, and does anyone still need convincing of Diaby's abilities?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Hull City [3 - 0]On Saturday 19th Dec 2009 by duduspace(m): 7:21pm On Dec 19, 2009
Is this the emergence of a new dead ball specialist for the Arsenalhuh Good one from Denilson 1-0
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Hull City [3 - 0]On Saturday 19th Dec 2009 by duduspace(m): 6:31pm On Dec 19, 2009
The formation on ESPN had Diaby as the most advanced MF player, I think Nasri will be dropping in to the center a lot, Diaby will almost play like a support striker to Asharvin while Eboue will provide width on the right. But Silvestre shld just keep his peace on the left cos he hasn't got the legs.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester City Fan Thread!! by duduspace(m): 6:02pm On Dec 19, 2009
Statement expected from City at 7:30 today, it seems Hughes is about to get the sack and Mancini is being touted as replacement.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Hull City [3 - 0]On Saturday 19th Dec 2009 by duduspace(m): 5:58pm On Dec 19, 2009
Team list out on ESPN:

Almunia
Eboue
Gallas
Verminator
Silvestre
Song
Denilson
Diaby
Nasri
Eduardo
Arshavin

Walcott and Sagna out. I thot Fabianski wld get the nod ahead of Almunia today.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by duduspace(m): 5:55pm On Dec 19, 2009
Some of us saw this coming, Ol' man Giggs cannot pull manure's a**s from the fire all the time, there is a changing of the guards at manure and its not exactly goin smoothly at present.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fulham Vs Manchester United [3-0] On Saturday 19th Dec by duduspace(m): 5:51pm On Dec 19, 2009
Reality check for manure, not everyone will roll over like Mick Mc'carthy. Sauron, where hath thou? have yu lost your big mouth? grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 5:11pm On Dec 19, 2009
The big question now in Youth football is: Who gets to sign Romelu Lukaku?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 3:56pm On Dec 19, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5146839#msg5146839 date=1261233988]U know what. . . . . . . .Letz freeze this debate till 2010/11
It's not Wilshere watch and Morrison watch.
I will remind you in few months time, ok?[/quote]No shakes Sauron, the jury is out.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5146839#msg5146839 date=1261233988]I hope you are aware Everton have a better pool of young players than Arsenal.[/quote]Where were these young players when we were doing the double  undecided , I thot you wld mention Liverpool after they kicked yur  b**ts in the Lancashire senior cup. Anyway I'll pass on this Sauron, I've had enough of hitting yur brick wall for today and I've got to go replenish my Arsenal.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Liverpool F.C Fans Zone - the Mighty Reds ! by duduspace(m): 3:45pm On Dec 19, 2009
Its looking like its going to be Pool dropping out of the Top 4 this season. they continue to walk alone.
My dear maedan, I can't bear to see yu suffering like this.  embarassed
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 3:40pm On Dec 19, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5146740#msg5146740 date=1261232396]This is what i expect of Jack Wilshere to be considered a bright prospect but he is being sent on loan to Burnley. grin grin[/quote]The circumstances then are different from now, then we had players (such as Edu, Vieira, Pires) reaching the end of their careers and we gave prodigies such as Cesc the opportunity to shine and we paid for it missing out on silverware, now those young lads are becoming men and we can't start replacing them so soon when we need to win trophies, the MF where Jack will come into is already full of players aged under 23, Jack also still has some physical development to undergo before getting into that frame of putting performances in every week at the level at which Arsenal plays.


[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5146740#msg5146740 date=1261232396]Morrison has won the Milk Cup twice for Man Utd. . . . .[/quote]What a great achievement, the fact that the team beaten by Manure to win it both times was Everton tells you all there is to know about that competition.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 3:15pm On Dec 19, 2009
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5146154#msg5146154 date=1261223652]This is why the intelligence of the average GAYnner must be questioned. . . . . . .
At 18, Rafael Da Silva won the league title, Carling cup and FIFA world club cup and Cesc Fabregas hasn't won anything.
Going by Duduspace's logic. . . . . .Rafael Da Silva is better than Cesc Fabregas. grin grin grin grin
It's a shame that even one of the most seasoned GAYnner on Nairaland has a distorted view of analysing football prospects.[/quote]totally irrelevant:
1. Fabregas at 16 was European U17 MVP and highest goal scorer (from a MF positions) at the U17 World cup in 2003
2. At 18 was a full spanish international
3. Was considered so good just like Ramsey, he wasn't allowed to play U18 football when he joined Arsenal at 16, he went straight into the reserves and the first team soon after.

Its not just about having your name in a victorious team but winning individual honours, can yu tell me just 1 honour Gravel has won apart from Winter's annual award for overrated players?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362333.msg5146154#msg5146154 date=1261223652]Wilshere is on his way to Burnley. . . . .That alone tells me Wenger does not rate him enough.
Prodigies don't leave their parent club. . . . .[B]All the world-class young players in Europe are with their parent clubs.[/b]
They don't go to lower clubs to hone their skills.
Wilshere might have broken into Arsenal's Carling Cup team but we are talking about Arsenal here. . . .A team that has got just 14 good players.[/quote]Can you ask dayokanu what Tony Kroos is doing at Leverkusen?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 4:19am On Dec 19, 2009
Sauron's statements can be very annoying atimes, he has no basis for his statements aside from an obviously biased Mr. Winter. Lets compare the careers of both players so far.

Ravel Morrison: born 02 February 1993
Won nothing so far
Not even a guaranteed starter in the current England Under 17s
Member of Manure's youth academy team currently lying 2nd in their division and 5 points behind leaders Blackburn rovers (albeit with game in hand).
Hasn't even played for the manure reserves (who aren't exactly setting their division alight) yet.

Jack Wilshere: born 01 January 1992
Victory shield winner with England at U16 level
FA youth cup winner(U18) at 17 years old, (with multiple MOM awards and still eligible to play in it for the next 2 seasons)
FA Premiership academy league winner (U18) at 17 years old
Current youngest member of the England U21 team

At this stage last year, Jack Wilshere had won Man of the match awards during Arsenal's Carling cup run including beating Wigan a PL club 3-0 in the carling cup (given bottles of champagne he couldn't drink cos of his age), even if you allow for age, Morrison is yet to achieve such a feat this year and even seems to find it difficult holding his own against his age mates.

Both Sauron and Mr. Winter must be on some very bad pills, I think the only youth matches Mr. Winter watches are those involving manure and he definitely has his red tinted glasses on during those matches.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 2:54am On Dec 19, 2009
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Wilshere is like Arshavin, Ribery, Rooney, Messi etc. . . . a playmaker with skills that money cannot buy.

I was at Emirates for the Emirates Cup. I was sitting up in the roof watching some short guy run rings around everyone. . . . from where I was, I thought it was Arshavin. . . . the nucca played exactly like I would expect Arshavin to play. . . . it was only when he was substituted that I found it it wasnt flucking Arshavin, but it was Wilshere. . . .  thats the greatest compliment one can pay to the boy.
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You dey dere too that day? I think say na only me see am. The reason Arsene isn't playing Jack now is because we already have too many youngsters in the first team and he still a bit behind physically to compete in the PL at the level expected of Arsenal.
I have so much faith in that boy. I wldn't bet against him going on to have a stormer at any team he goes on loan to, the boy is that gifted and his game is so matured that he needs to be playing. I understand Arsene's fear but Wilshere is not the type of player yu hold back, I wld be more comfortable with Arsene giving him game time than Theo as he can't do worse IMO.

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Lansbury?
The same Lansbury that Tom Cleverley has outperformed in Watford?
Cleverley does not even have 1% of Morrison's talents and that was why SAF sent him to Watford to cop more playing time.[/quote]Sharon, you too dey yarn opata, Cleverly arrived at Watford b4 Lansbury, yes he has got more goals than Lansbury has but he is not outperforming Lansbury, they are both starters in Watfords present team and doin well. Besides, are you trying to say yur Gravel boy is ahead of Cleverly?  shocked shocked
I knw Fergie can't be as barmy as you are. Cleverly and Morrison are not in the same age group and Morrison will definitely go out on loan at some stage with all the young boys coming through at Manure, yu lot are still relying on old men Giggs and Scholes, una yansh go soon open.[quote][/quote]
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 9:02pm On Dec 18, 2009
debosky:
Rodwell is better at the moment no doubt - but that's not the point.
Wilshire is barely 17 - he will become a great player in his own time but not the media's.
I wouldn't go so far, I'd rather say he is more advanced in his development. They don't even play the same role in the team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 8:45pm On Dec 18, 2009
@Debo

You dey mind Sauron, he is on a wind up misssion. I actually saw a post where he was trying to convince our resident Nazi that England had talent and the first name he had on the list was Wilshere.  grin

If Wilshere had emerged 2 seasons ago, I'm sure he wouldn't have gone on loan, we have a lot of young players all coming through at the same time (even our first team is actually full of young players who need playing time). I think its a good idea for Wilshere to go on loan and it is indicative of his rating that a PL team is actually asking for him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 8:31pm On Dec 18, 2009
debosky:
Walcott is still developing - he's only 20 and no footballer's development can be said to be complete at that age. Let's judge him either after sufficient games or at the end of the season before we say he's a failure or otherwise.

It is unwise to compare player development in certain guises - people proceed at different levels. That Cesc and Ramsey seem to be doing pretty well at 17/18 doesn't mean everyone will.

Theo has needed significant operations - two shoulder operations (that have modified his running style) and the knee op in addition. Let him get a consistent run of games and we'll see his quality shine through.
Of all the points made in Theo's defence, this is the most valid so far, as I said previously I am surprised someone who was so highly rated could now be looking almost out of sorts on a football pitch. I trust Arsene will give him his chance as much as possible particularly because we need to prove our credentials with developing English talent. I wish Theo all the best but I'm glad we have Ramsey and Wilshere so close to the first team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 7:41pm On Dec 18, 2009
[quote author=A-40 link=topic=362333.msg5141698#msg5141698 date=1261157607]@Duduspace
1. Diaby was not fast tracked because he was and is not as good as Theo[/quote]I totally disagree, Diaby won the European U19 as captain of France, Diaby would have captained France again to the U21 of 2007 if not for his injury. Tell me one thing Theo has won? if Diaby was English he would have gotten more opportunities earlier and wouldn't be made fun of as much as he is.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=362333.msg5141698#msg5141698 date=1261157607]2. Theo has always been injured for at least 2-3 months each season! to make things worse his injuries are of a stop and go nature which make it hard for him to establish any sort of rhythm. I also think it is an indictment on Diaby's quality as a player that after 4years at the club he is still not a starter at Arsenal and had to resort to breaking Nasri's leg to take his place. Look at their int'l caps and if you consider that Theo is way younger and England has a stronger squad on paper then Diaby ought to be ashamed of himself[/quote]If that is the way you see Diaby's emergence into the squad this season, then I have nothing to say.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=362333.msg5141698#msg5141698 date=1261157607]3. Diaby is not English this is not Theo's fault[/quote]I agree, bringing Diaby into it is a distraction but you were the one who brought him into it. My thoughts about Theo have nothing to do with how I see Diaby. Diaby rightly got stick for being a bit unstable last season and was rightly made fun of when he scored an own goal at OT, he got his head down and is still a work in progress but he has never looked crappy in a reserve team.


[quote author=A-40 link=topic=362333.msg5141698#msg5141698 date=1261157607]My memory is on point! Diaby's goal was going to be useless if Theo did not produce that magic move. Too bad our D lost us that game. I am talking about games against Milan,Liverpool,Villareal in the knockout phases you are talking about Fenerbache? Perfect case of "Awa n gbe cutlass e lo nyi tractor" na wa for u oh even in the group phases Theo has done more! He has out-performed Diaby and is doing better at 20 than Diaby is doing at 23 abi na 24 sef[/quote]You can hold whatever opinion you want to about Diaby, he has justified his place in the team this season and has just come back from injury also but still lookin good.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=362333.msg5141698#msg5141698 date=1261157607]You are over-reacting to a game that was a mere formality a game we would lose 100-0 and still win the group. This na pure satis beef! Diaby single-handedly condemned us to defeat against Utd. He, Denilson, Fabianski and the geriatric one cost us an F.A cup final last season. Walcott can't top that
Merida ko Mirinda ni! Even Aaron Ramsey thats younger and newer at Arsenal has more of a future than he does[/quote]You are taking things too far, when exactly did I mention Ramsey? FYI, I believe Aaron Ramsey at 18 is already twice the player Theo will ever be which basically tells you all there is to say. I can almost count the number of good games I've seen Theo play in. Yes you've got the occasional moment when his outstanding pace is put to good use but it is his contribution over the duration of a match and over a season that I question.
And why exactly is it that Ramsey and Song went on to have the games of their lives when they played in this so called inconsequential match while Theo didn't? I'll give you an explanation, he can't hold the ball and can't pass, doesn't know what to do with the ball if he isn't running at or away from someone, he is only good in counter attacking situation just like against liverpool and while that is a nice variation to have, that is not the main Arsenal style.

I won't talk much about Merida and Theo, just watch as their careers unfold. In a footballing sense, the distance between them is just too great even if its just in versatility alone. Merida was on loan to Sociedad in the spanish Segunda and walked into their first team as a playmaker and nearly earned them promotion. Do you know how many spanish clubs want him? or why do you think Arsene is loathe to lose him?

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=362333.msg5141698#msg5141698 date=1261157607]This your honeymoon with Wilshere would soon end he is good but make una no take hype kill am! Asides Emirates Cup and a few Carling flashes he has not done much yet[/quote]I am not hyping Wilshere, he is one I've followed since 15+ years of age and I've seen Wilshere take over games at Reserve level where older heads have held their peace. One of the hallmarks of an exceptional player is to be able to fit into multiple roles and I've seen Jack play across the MF to wide forward and he has been good anytime he plays (He might not be exceptional in a game like at Olympiacos and he obviously has a lot of physical development yet to do but he wouldn't be crappy). He doesn't depend on any one attribute, passes well, has good vision, can beat his man with skill and generally makes it look all simple.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 5:38pm On Dec 18, 2009
HNIC:
Enough of this Theo diss
He has hardly played football this season.
We can assess him after he has played many more matches
I have a better option, lets send him out on loan and take him out of the spotlight. grin just jokin.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 5:20pm On Dec 18, 2009
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Wenger - Wilshere could join Burnley on loan


By Nick Teale

Arsène Wenger has revealed that Burnley manager Owen Coyle has spoken to him about the possibility of taking Jack Wilshere on loan in January.

The Frenchman has previously admitted that he would consider allowing his teenage midfielder to leave on a temporary basis during the window if the right club comes along.

Midfielder Mark Randall joined Burnley on loan from Arsenal in January 2008 but only started two matches for the Clarets so Wenger wants assurances that Wilshere will play regular football if he makes the short-term switch to Turf Moor.

"My response [to Coyle] is that it is possible under the condition that he plays," said Wenger.

"For us Jack Wilshere is in a period where he needs to play.

"Burnley is a very good club that I respect. They play good football but first of all Jack must want to do it and then we need to have a good hope that he will play if he goes somewhere on loan.

"I like the idea but at the moment I must say we are a bit short. Jack is involved with us for nearly every game."[/quote]Now this is my great English great hope and I know this boy will not disappoint, he is the real dog's bollocks. Got everything Theo lacks. I hope this goes through so I can pop over to see him in play in Burnley though that Turf moor get as e be.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 4:48pm On Dec 18, 2009
[quote author=A-40 link=topic=362333.msg5140642#msg5140642 date=1261149385]@Debosky
Trust me you would not find more comical Poo if you went to a circus! Diaby is at least 3 years older than Walcott but Walcott has been a far more useful player for us compared to him which makes the criticism even more ridiculous[/quote]1. Diaby was not fast tracked the way Theo was
2. Diaby had a long term injury and was not as much a first team player as Theo was
3. Diaby does not earn as much as Theo
4. I disagree with the statement that Walcott has been a far more useful player than Diaby has been (yu have a short memory to forget what Diaby did in the first leg of the match where Theo made his run or against Fenerbache away in the same competition)

For me, its about optimizing the use of your resources, I saw Theo with basically a reserves team and he looked like the worst player on the pitch, I dare say Diaby has never looked like that. If he can't shine in a team of reserves, how does he justify his first team shirt and why exactly should he get more opportunity ahead of the likes of Merida who have never looked so crappy?

For the avoidance of doubt, here are Theo's appearances in the first team since he joined us in 2006 compared to Diaby.

                      06/07                          07/08                             08/09
Walcott              13+19                       20+19                              27+8
Diaby                  13+5                        20+8                               25+11

Legend: Starts+Subs

You can see the steady growth in appearances year on year, meaning he is considered a first teamer now and should no longer be judged as a developing player.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 4:40pm On Dec 18, 2009
debosky:
That's the crucial fact that is ignored so far. Someone who has delivered in UCL semis and against BIG teams is being slated like this? Yes we all have high expectations and should rightly be disappointed, but writing him off is patently unfair.
Most of all by duduspace - if Diaby can be given time, then why on earth should we give up on Walcott?
@Debosky

I'm not saying he shouldn't be given time and I still believe he is going to be a PL quality player. He might just be the right player coming at a wrong time. Arsenal at this stage can't afford to be carrying passengers, it is you folks who will blame Arsene at the end of the season if we end up trophyless.

I have always stated my opinion of him even before now when the clamour for his head is growing. I also don't believe we are getting enough for what we have invested, if it was Vela who has been given the first team run Theo has had so far, I can't begin to imagine what manner of player we would have in our hands by now.(Theo has been in the first team frame since the 07/08 season)

I agree its not everyday precocious talents like Cesc, Messi or Rooney comes along, Theo was seen in that light previously but he has not developed further. I don't believe in form players who blow hot and cold, I believe a player gets to a level of performance which he then maintains like Song, Cesc and even Traore in recent times.  I see basic flaws in Theo's game that have been there since he arrived and are still as glaring.

Something is wrong somewhere an needs to be fixed quickly.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 3:38pm On Dec 18, 2009
dayokanu:
Owusu Abeyie, Jeremy Aliadiere, Arturo Lupoli and Justin Hoyte are cooling their asses in the lower division

These were players thought to be the next Maradona by Wenger
Don't say what you know nothing about, Owusu did not go much beyond his initial Pro contract extension before he was sold, Aliadiere never did well on his loans and never really got into the first team. Hoyte was given a long enough rope until Arsene had enough. I hope he is not as persevering with Theo.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only. by duduspace(m): 3:31pm On Dec 18, 2009
Ibime:
Sanchez Watt? I laugh in Kasa-Vubu. . . . I dont know who told that boy he has a future at Arsenal.

It remains to be seen.

Ibime:
Sanchez Watt is a pile of poo. . . . I foresee another Jay Emmanuel Thomas. . . . 10 years from now when Sanchez Watt is playing in Division 2, he will be hunting autograph from Salomon Kalou.
What rubbish is this yu're writing? do yu know JET just signed a long term contract today? did you see what he did while on loan at Blackpool? Ian Holloway is waiting for the January window to try to get him on loan for the remainder of the season. Maybe Arsene thinks he fastracked Theo too quickly and that is why he now wants Wilshere to go out on loan to reduce the burden of expectation.
Sanchez Watt at the least uses the ball better than Theo and played for England at Under 18 level. Theo was fasttracked into the National team at 17 becos everyone thot he was an exceptional player (not only Arsene was taken by the initial promise), he has turned out to not only be nothing of the sort but is looking almost below ordinary at present.

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