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What rubbish is this?
Mod, what the hell is going on?

BlackLibya:
No because the CIA and Belgium funded Mobutu so he could kill Lumamba, Belgium issued an apology about this a few years ago.

France used Boigny to setup Sankara because they felt he was disrespecting France.

So no, i wouldnt appreciate it since it was their fault that they died anyway.

No wahala, yu're welcomed to stay bitter about it despite the fact that the belgians who did it are probably dead or old and their offsprings have issued an apology for it since.
The Biafrans who lost their lives, Adekunle Fajuyi and Ironsi's family and other numerous Nigerians families are still waiting for apologies from Nigeria till day after tomorrow about the way they were killed and I see none coming.
He that is without sin, cast the first stone. 

@Ogaju

I'm taking up that your offer o, abeg inbox me jare.

[quote author=*dhtml¡ link=topic=786166.msg9385988#msg9385988 date=1319154574]Haba! Now i am going to start crying here! You guys are not PATRIOTS OF AFRICA!

An African brother gets killed, african brothers go drinking.[/quote]Okay take it this way so yu feel better. We are going to drown our sorrows in drink.

BlackLibya:
Lumumba or Sankara,

did u just call them despots?

mba o, where did you hear that one?
those ones could have made africa great but is it not fellow africans who later became despots who killed them?
if the west help you get rid of Campaore or Mobutu who killed those 2, would you applaud them or not?

[quote author=*dhtml¡ link=topic=786166.msg9385964#msg9385964 date=1319154050]Now you guys are depressing me more. You cannot even do a 1 minute silence for the great African leader?[/quote]Abeg come join us with 1 minute of drinking jare. Na yu kill am?

ogaju007:
Just carry 2 omo ele come just incase i need a bobby to lean on when im sobbing lmao

But haba, Ghadaffi na wrongest persin to sob over o. I fit gree you if na Lumumba or Sankara. All those despots I nor just like.
take better WKD wash am down jare. About the omo ele no shaking but yu nor go drink too much o, dem like better service.

ogaju007:
Ok we go finish the arguement for Lounge 31, The Park or Madison Lounge choose one.  Make we take 2 pints of Carling wash Ghadaffi down.

No wahala I'm game. Make I bring bodyguard come abi I get cover?

ogaju007:
YYeeee See my life ooo this guy wan claim doctor say in school for Dublin. hey na waaooo. I didnt work in any hospital. I'm an IT Consultant Worked with Kerry Group in TyGlass. Stop Bulshitting people.  Dumb Bottom. who cares where anyone lives now. Its now a global Village (Internet).

Just answer the question. You see lybian dey follow una job for abroad? Dumb Bottom.

stop being a silly Bottom wipe, I never said I was a doctor, I have a sibling who worked at Tallaght Hospital and I had a lot of medico friends who worked all over the place like Cork and Limerick, there were a lot of Nigerian doctors in Dublin at that time who I got to meet.
I worked in IT support for Ebay at Blanchardstown while schooling.
See the asswipe again? who mentioned where he stayed first? me or you?

ogaju007:
I know its still sharking you that you're in obodo oyinbo. Moston is towards oldham urmston is toward altricham. I work on Talbot Road the Big Building next to the cricket ground. Im glad im far from funny Jobs but even if i was doing a funny job i will be proud of myself. Like i said get real dumb Bottom.

Well, since we're gettin to know each other, I reside at Salford Quays, not too far from OT. And don't start getting smarty pants, the dumbo who started on jobs and funny stuff was you.

ogaju007:
OMG see what i'm talking about. You're being defensive. I live in manchester as well so to me you don't live abroad dumb Bottom!! Not every Nationality does your kinda job. Saudis  and Lybians don't cause they didn't have any reason to. They got paid whether they worked or not which is why they employ a lot of expatriates. Please dont misinform people. At no point in time did Painters in Ireland get paid than Medical doctors . I worked in Dublin on a contract during the boom though such jobs got paid well but not as you put it. Most Doctors earn average of 65k - 75k Eur in Irelan and GBP in UK. Stop Misinforming People.

What hospital do you know in Dublin? and I'm not being defensive just want to know if I bumped into you while I was schooling there.
And yes, I'm certain of it, at the height of the building boom in Ireland in 2006 -2008, painters earned more per hour than doctors.

ogaju007:
Now you're begining to analyse. Thats what a learned mind does. Glad you live in Manchester possibly the worst part called moston. Have you come across any Lybian hustling in the UK. Guy get Real! The uprising was just an avenue to get rid of him by some peeps.

I haven't seen any analysis here, only rantings and half truths mostly from you. I've never heard of Moston to be honest, does one of your people live there who has described it to you or is that where you live doin funny jobs?  
The only part of manchester I know that sounds like that is Urmston which I pass by Rail atimes when commuting.

ogaju007:
Duduspace: Dont just watch NTA news, broaden you horizon atleast youve got access to the net. I've never met a lybian in a foreign country doing funny jobs that most naijas do abroad. click on this link and educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Don't be deceived, I live abroad and I know all nationalities do what you term funny jobs. At a certain time in Ireland Painters were earning more per hour than Medical Doctors.

[quote author=*dhtml¡ link=topic=786166.msg9385825#msg9385825 date=1319151500]All of you guys that are shouting here. . . . .how many of you here have real legitimate jobs? Acquiring good and decent education is one thing, getting a good job is another thing. In fact getting a job at all is a very great achievement.
Hmmnn, maybe, so if Gabon was as big as Nigeria nko?
Thank you very much for that jare. Them blooody illiterates here are comparing themselves with real educated people.
Yes na, i think i even recognized one or two medical doctors amongst them sef.[/quote]The Libyans truly are literate and yu're illiterate.
How many patents are held by libyans again?, what is their manufacturing sector like? and what major inventions have emerged from Libya again that makes Nigerians illiterate and Libyans literate?

Besides if you you recognized 2 doctors among those dragging him who are literate when yu're not, how can you claim to know what goes on in their country than them and what exactly would make this 2 Havard and Cambridge educated Doctors to turn the Libyan paradise into hell? 

ogaju007:
I'm sure you meants illiteracy rate in Nigeria has tripled cause what you guys have there is far from education. It's more like a cultural cycle you must go thru. In Lybia, if a course is not available withing the country's universities, Lybian govt will sponsor the student be it Havard or Cambridge.

GET REAL.

And all those people shouting Allah Akbar in that clip where they were dragging him on the road went to Havard and Cambridge as well? 
and were living in that same Ghadaffi created paradise you painted above?

BlackLibya:
So what? Gabon is even smaller than libya.

Omar Bongo, former president of Gabon(1996):

Hence why his people disposed him off quicker.

texazzpete:
'Before Gadaffi' was 1969! Why do you not expect literacy rate to go from 20% to a much increased number in 42 freaking years?!
Every country in the world is modernizing. Every single country in the world has 10000% more hospitals, schools and industries since 1969. What kind of stoopid 'facts' are you presenting?

Abi o, even Nigeria's literacy rate must have at least doubled within that period sef.

Nayah:
^^And I'll add Dede that KHADDAFI was the only one talking about UNITED STATES OF AFRICA but governement like Senegal, Ivory Coast ( OUATTARA), Compaoré or Bongo ( Father) have done everything to ruin it!

United States of Africa where? has he united his own people first of all and given them a voice?
Wait a minute, has he even united his own family first of all?
or he wanted to be dictator over a United States of Africa too?
Good riddance to bad rubbish I say, only thing is I wanted him in a cage too, death was the easy way out.

cap28:
When i hear africans speak like this it makes me cringe with embarrassment - ever heard of the slave trade? ever heard of colonialism? ever heard of neo colonialism - the IMF, world bank?  No?

well all of the above are the reasons that western powers are running the world today - okay? not the fairy stories that you seem to be wrapped up in.

and your analogy of the west being an "elder brother" to africa would be laughable if it werent so tragic - i thought elder brothers look out for the well being of their younger siblings - tell me do you call enslavement of millions of people a "brotherly" gesture? how about the financing of war, coup detats, the propping up of dictators all over the world, the dropping of depleted uranium, white phosphorous, nerve gas and napalm on unarmed men women and children is that the kind of thing  an elder brother does to protect the interest of his younger sibling?

ever heard of jim crow? ever heard of red lining, ever heard of COINTELPRO?  something tells me your answer is likely to be no.

any evidence to prove gadaffi ever gunned down his own people? if yes, kindly post it here on NL for the world to see, as that would mean you know something the entire western corporate media doesnt, dont know if you know this but the US has access to satellite systems which track the movement of air traffic - dont you find it odd that they didnt produce one shred of evidence in the form of satellite pictures as evidence?


why would they go after Mandela when he had already done a deal with them and had agreed that whites would retain control over south africa's economy while a few blacks would be given political positions?  Let me let you in on a little secret - south africa is still run and controlled by whites not blacks, the likes of zuma and co are mere front men - thats why zuma voted in  favour of the no fly zone over libya.


but the US did not think twice about dropping two atomic bombs on japan even after it had surrendered.


Thats weird the bodies were stacking up very quickly in rwanda and i dont remember america lifting a finger to help anyone in that country do you?

I also dont recall the UN mentioning about intervening in DRC where the body count to date is 6 million dead and counting - why is that ?

with regard to Bahrain again no intervention - why?

infact not only has there not been any intervention in the case of bahrain - the saudi police have even been drafted in to KILL even more of the protesters but america remains strangely silent - why?

talking about bloodbaths in benghazi - have you seen all the videos of black libyans and black immigrants being beheaded like animals by the NTC?  how come the western media has remained silent about this ? these beheadings have been takign place way before NATO even started dropping bombs on libya - why is the west silent about these killings?

the US image took a battering - you must be a comedian?  you need to watch a video in which a US general tells the world how the US govt had planned since the late 90s to take down 7 countries in less than 5 years - libya was no 2 on the list after iraq - it was all premeditated - so you think the US's intervention in libya and iraq had nothing to do with money - you must be on another planet - libya has the largest oil reserves in the whole of africa, its oil and banking system is not run or controlled by western interests, it has a multimillion underground man made river which western multinationals cant  wait to privatise - the list goes on - you dont know the half of it.


talking of body counts - what do you say about an entire town of black libyans which was wiped off the face of the earth for being pro gadaffi - a town of 30,000 people - what do you say about that?

No western power will ever come to defend any group of nigerians who seek to overthrow the nigerian govt - you know why? because the nigerian govt are western stooges who have already sold nigeria to the IMF and the world bank - remember biafra? why didnt the west save the biafrans from the northerners - didnt they sit back and watch 3 million igbos die of starvation after being blockaded by the nigerian army?
Didnt they sit and watch while obasanjo terrorised the people of the niger delta, odi and gbamaratu, you really think these europeans give a damn about you? you really think they want the best for you?  hahahahaha  - how naive of you.


the despots of the developing world as you call them were all put in office by the west lets take a look at them:
paul kagame of rwanda - butcher and CIA asset
Museveni of uganda - butcher and CIA asset
campaore of burkina faso - butcher and Sarkozy puppet
biya of cameroun - butcher and Sarkozy puppet
Ouattara of Ivory coast - butcher and Sarkozy puppet
Bongo of Gabon - Sarkozy puppet

Africa has been bought paid for and sold to the western powers, the only african nations that remained free of western control  were libya and zimbabwe - libya has now been taken down - its just zimbabwe left now,

Yeah right, and the US also ordered the Genocide of the Tutsis as well while trying to put Kagame in power abi?  
Nigerian Government are Western Stooges because it was the US that bought the Nigeria polls with GMG bags abi?  
Glad you mentioned Japan. How is Japan doing today? are they not better off economically than Nigeria where a bomb was never dropped despite having 2 major cities leveled to the ground?  
Chuck this victim mentality in the dust bin, this is not the way people progress.
Blame it on the rain, no matter what you do don't put the blame on yu, just blame it on the west. Arrant nonsense.
Why aren't the Japanese who were levelled with the atomic bomb blaming the West now? why have they progressed and now rival the west now? 

The people of Libya rose up against a despot and are now free to take their future into their own hands. Its about time you did rather than blaming the West for our own inadequacies.

ochukoccna:
See, you just don't get it.
Who appointed America & Europe judges in the imperfect world system principally run by them?
America who blindly supports Israel's bombardment & repression of the Palestinians all in the guise of been on God's side even when the same God is one of JUSTICE & FAIRNESS.
Europe who propped up Gaddafis, Mubaraks & Ben Alis of Tunisia but left them to hang dry when their people revolted.
Did they advice and arm-twist  them to implement human rights & practice multiparty democracy when the going was good?
When this chaps where doing their bidding?
Why is it that America slapped the Bahrani govt on the wrist for massacring her people demanding for their rights while NATO parachuted guns to the Libyans in this same ongoing Arab spring?
No be George Orwell's Animal Farm be that?
All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.
Fela sang about this hypocrisy America and the UN demonstrate in Animal wan dash me human rights.
I never said I supported Gaddafi [read all my posts in this thread]
I'm only faulting this white men who remove specks of other nations yet have loads of logs in their own lands.
Who taught the world gunboat diplomacy?
Is that not why N Korea and Iran appear untouchable?
Apparently you've thrown in your lot your white partial judges
Best of luck to you, after all you reside in their clime so you wouldn't want to rock the boat by spitting the truth
as it is.

I end with what frosbel said,
How on earth can you support western state assassins, killing leaders of countries all over the world when they are hypocrites and have more blood on their hands than any nation on earth.
What is the matter with you Africans , falling over yourselves and rejoicing over the death of this man.

We forget the whip that was used for the senior wife will one day kiss the bum of the junior wife who's cheering on their husband.

They became de fact runners of the world by virtue of being more advanced than the others, in exactly the same way an elder brother shows a younger one the way. Now that elder brother is not perfect or immune to his own mistakes but he is still a lot more matured than the younger brother. You must have heard the phrase that with power comes responsibility?

I said and continue to repeat that this people are not perfect and are probably more selfish than us individually but you continue to not pay attention to that part of what I'm saying, you can only focus on a perceived agenda that this is all about exploitation and I do concur that there is a lot that past generations of the west need to answer for.

One thing they have done is to make their own societies largely equitable and continuing to fine tune that state of equality. If you can conceptualize a little and imagine a Democractically run Libya where people had freedom of speech, would there have been a need to to gun people down for protesting? even our own Nigerian brothers who were looting and probably deserved to be gunned down in London recently were not.

If Ghadaffi did not turn guns on his own people, there would be no UN resolutions, everything that happened subsequently is politics, countries choosing their fights and looking to feather their own nests. The truth is that in life people choose their fights. If I see Hulk Hogan attacking someone I wouldn't support him but I'd think twice about fighting him and getting my butt handed to me on a plate either but if I see someone weaker than me intimidating some child I would most likely step in and put a stop to it.

Like I pointed out to Roland, why didn't they go after Nelson Mandela, Mbeki or even Zuma? why aren't they going after any leader who is well known to have the support of his people? Whenever any ruler turns guns on their own people for crying out against injustice, I am comfortable with any means by which they are toppled. Such is the case of Ghadaffi.

The world is not perfect, has never been and I doubt will be in my life time, even if you know he is doing wrong you would think twice about attacking someone with a nuclear bomb, you basically just hope and pray that level of power is attained with a certain level of responsibility. He can end up destroying the world and yu've got to live with that, its simple self preservation and common sense.

The uprising in Bahrain was either not as popular as in Libya or the people there did not hold out as long. If the UN didn't intervene in Benghazi the death toll was starting to stack up badly and those people were suffering, I don't think I'd appreciate any Nation who had the power to do something but chose to stand back at that point just because their predecessors had made mistakes in the past, the body stack is mounting again in Syria and if they finally get a UN resolution passed and go in,  the same uproar about western intervention will start but do you know for how long Assad has been killing his people now?
Now that they haven't gone in yet, yu'd say why Libya and not Syria? 

After the US's image took a battering with their unilateral action in Iraq, I don't think any country will intervene in another country now without a UN resolution and that is what has delayed action in Syria. The Russians and the Chinese do not care about life all they are interested in is the money so they will continue to oppose the US and Europe just cause they want to gain some relevance in international affairs while the body count continues to stack up.

If Abacha had become a problem in Nigeria and we took up arms against him, I would have welcomed anyone who chose to stand with Nigerians at that point in time even if it were the devil himself who came from the pit of hell to help.
Until the despots of the developing world start to recognize that their people also have fundamental human rights to self determination, I say ride on to the "West" as you call them. The day they go after a Democratically elected government with the support of its people, my opinion will change and then we can have a different discussion about what they are doing wrong.

debosky:
Are you listening to DK?

Arsenal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dortmund>>>>Bayern

DK go soon start to dey count UCL Trophies Bayern won when he was still sucking bosoms as a baby to negate that assertion.

Ibime:
You sure say na gym cause that one? If na gym, I advise you to cancel your subscription NOW! The problem must be lack of Naija food in Manchester. I know say you no like Fish and Chips. Bros, if you need help, please visit Hallelujah restaurant in Moss Side, or go to Hulme and look for one Igbo boy wey dey sell Naija foodstuff for market there.

You be Ajala nii? where you nor know for this UK sef? na for which side your beer belle for come naa? yu suppose don walk am off 
Anyhow e go be sha, you know Ipukulu Marines are going down this game week?

dayokanu:
You better go and beg the witches in London, They have been sucking your blood 24-7

Go fold yurself put for somewhere jare, before yu take head carry live wire. too much of everything is bad and that includes height.

chamotex:
Its clearly summer in that pic . . . but look at Dudu carrying winter jacket like a village man

Na Sweater, nor be winter Jacket e just dark small, go buy glasses. 

Ibime:
Are you referring to his historical performance in FPL. . . . .or the picture on his profile. . . . cos I was starting to take it literal. . . . ninja look like the physical embodiment of dry bones! 

Why yu dey envy my gym discipline naa?   
its not my fault yu're developing a beer belly and are left with showing us your backside.   

debosky:
Dudu sef don dey make mouth for FPL? 

***Walks out singing dry bones shall rise again oh, dry bones shall rise again.***

Yes o, why I nor go make Shakara? I go make shakara 
Don't worry, when next we meet I'll walk up to introduce myself. Thats me and my younger brother.

DK yii ti sign sha? na so una hand dey fall comot for Allianz ni?
Old papa, your 3rd leg go soon fall off o.

Roland17:
What was Ghadaffi's sin against NATO and the west, Libya is an independent sovereign nation, what have they gained? Ghadaffi was a dictator, but was a leader, something the west dread so much in Africa.

et tu Roland?  :oDid the west dread Nelson Mandela or Thabo Mbeki as well? 
do they dread the leadership in Ghana?
despite Ghadaffi's despotic rule, they couldnt even find a way to get him until he turned guns on his own people.

@ochuko

No one says the West as you call them are epitomes of virtues, they are as bad if not worse than we are but they did largely entrench equity in their own society and largely question the action or inaction of their forebears. They even make symbolic gestures of atonement for past evils by them.
Even amongst themselves, they've fought and been cruel to one another (read up the history of the Irish, the English and the Tudor line of royalty in England).

We in the developing world however are satisfied with the status quo and always find an excuse for inaction.

I don't think we need to wait for the "West" to become squeaky clean before we get rid of despots like Ghadaffi, atimes you choose your fights or yu'll never move forward. If truely the west is bad then the time will come when even they will answer for their transgressions, (even though what most people call the west is a very loose definition that serves as a convenient stooge to pass the blame of everything on to).

For now it is the turn of Ghadaffi to receive justice and I rejoice with that multitude of people rejoicing in Libya today albeit with a tinge of sadness that even they couldn't be the better people and not execute him summarily. I will also gladly rejoice if anyone found in the so called "West" is brought to book when they are.

justwise:
There is no point having him alive, Libyans have to move on, his trial would have given his supporter more reason to fight on and more lives lost.

Naa, I disagree I believe in the sanctity of life and redemption, he was no threat to anyone after being captured.
Sagamite got his wish anyway of another Doe like tape. Not as long sha but he was captured alive and later shot. They even strangled him a little sef
Arabs are really violent people.

This isnt nice, he was actually caught alive, they killed him like Doe. That is sad. 
new footage showing he was captured alive on Sky.

justwise:
If all these is true why then did his pple raise against him?

Some of it may be true but all of it CANNOT be true. If true, that would be an heaven on earth and people (myself included) wouldnt even be bothered about who ruled them. 
The guy try sha, came to power as  a 27 year old, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

cap28:
I pray that many africans who are now rejoicing and jubilating live long enough to experience the starvation, war, poverty and despair that NATO and their allies are now determined to bring to the entire african continent.

You don't need NATO and their allies for that, your GMG collecting representatives at the National legislative houses are already working actively towards that.

mikron:
why do these cowards always hide in holes when they know they ve lost the battle. Saddam did the same. Was osama bin laden caught in a hole too? Just wondering

All holes are equal but some are more equal than others.  
Osama's hole had a comfy bed, DSTV and some fine yanriyans  

ochukoccna:
Even though you've sided with the west, try to see the whole picture and spit it as it is.
We all know NATO twisted the UN mandate to their advantage.
The West -Occidentals- have never had altruistic intentions towards other races especially Arabs and Africans.
I believe that you know yourself.
We remember how Iraqis celebrated their 'liberation' by the West some years back.
Thankfully, the western press are still relaying images of the 'smartness', of that decision unto our retinas up till today.
Do not complicate it further.

Fair enough, the west will fight for their own interests, if you were in their shoes wouldn't you?
Should the UN have stood behind and allowed him to continue killing his people like the Syrian guy?  
fair enough other countries will exploit any situation to further their own aims when on peace keeping/other missions
didn't Ghana actively connive with Yormie Johnson to deliver Samuel Doe to him? but does that make Doe a good person?
Lets stop blaming the "West" for everything jare, if we solve our own problems by ensuring equity and justice in our countries and societies
the scheming of external entities like the so called West will be immediately obvious. He that would come to equity must come with clean hands jare nuff said.

The Iraqi people will ultimately solve their problems, infact aren't they already? can't recall when last I heard of a bomb blast there to be honest and they will have a better and freer future than when they were under Saddam. It is up to them to determine if the sacrifice was worth it not yours or mine.

What history will write about Ghadaffi is that he was a despot who met a violent end at the hands of his own people in a popular uprising, the jury is out on what NATO's legacy will be.