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@OP

There are constructive arguments and then there are mindless rantings of idle people looking to while away the time. Which of the two are you referring to?
I am an Ekiti man and we don't spend our lifetime arguing so at some point we must have lost an argument.
If you mean that Ekiti people due to their high literacy rates are good at adopting a sound logical basis for their arguments then yu're very right, why the hell I should accept an illogical point of view beats me and would require some serious convincing and headbanging on the part of the person putting forth such a view. 

debosky:
There is nothing absurd in limiting the number of people coming to a country when it is not in the country's interests to continue allowing such high numbers.

That the public do not wholly agree is a separate issue. The public in Greece do not agree with the cuts the government is trying to make, and that resistance is almost bringing the world economy to its knees so this is not simply about public opinion.

As I have repeated many times over,

The only lever available to the UK government is to reduce non EEA immigration. Their hands are tied when it comes to EEA immigration (unless they leave the EU, which is not going to happen. They are not doing this because they 'hate' non EEA immigrants, but that's the only number you can reduce.

I do not agree that their hands are tied when it comes to EEA immigration and yes they can leave the EU if it becomes economically expedient to do so, it is not in the best interests of the country to cut the number of skilled people immigrating into the country or bring policies that will discourage such people from coming if you still leave your country open to benefit migrants who are not contributing but getting benefits. The highly skilled migrant/ Tier 1 program even by its very rules under the Labour govt disallowed resorting to public funds which are not contributory and yu wld never meet the requirements of residency if you resort to public funds whereas these EU migrants are not curtailed in resorting to public funds.
Which is more benefitial to the UK economy? those who can contribute and not take out or those who can take out and can easily choose not to contribute yet still be taken care of?

debosky:
If 3 factors are responsible for an effect and you can only control one, you have to focus your efforts on that one - that’s as simple as it is.

My personal circumstances are not important here - it is a philosophical agreement that holds for any country on the planet. You cannot continue to have continuously increasing uncontrolled influxes of people into a physically and economically constrained country without dire consequences for the local inhabitants. There is an optimum level of immigration that benefits a country - if that level is exceeded, it is only reasonable to reduce the level back to a realistic level.

This is an intellectually lazy way of looking at the issue, taking the path of least resistance has never benefited any society from history and that is not what government is elected to do. There are more pressing dangers looming in the background above and beyond the influx of skilled immigration (which has actually been shown to benefit a society) and this government is not focussing on those in the name of pursuing a unified Europe. The whole Eurozone concept itself is currently on very shaky foundations and needs to be thoroughly reexamined. The taxes being paid by these Working migrants whose numbers the proposals seeks to cut is also going towards bailout funds for the troubled countries in europe in case yu've forgotten.
There is already a Needs analysis test for any application put forward for a work permit which must clearly show that those jobs cannot be done by a UK or EU national but if someone moves to a different country to fill a post, it sounds crazy to say he is only there for 5 years and cannot stay on after 5 years if he remains relevant and useful within that system, its akin to madness.

debosky:
Limited skilled migration, in both directions, is a natural and beneficial feature of open economies. The issue is one of scale. The issue here is that too many people are moving to the UK, and this has to be stemmed, especially when the outward movement has reduced.

The policy IS in the best interests of the UK in my view. People are not being prevented from contributing to society - the simple thing being done is being more selective about those who can come and contribute, weeding out those with lower potential. Why this simple fact evades you is quite puzzling.

I have said and continue to repeat that I agree that there is a problem with immigration in the UK, if you however read that article well, it clearly points out that the problematic types are not Higly skilled, worker immigration or even student immigration, rather its

1. Low skilled worker migration from the less affluent and economically troubled countries of europe
2. Those who exploit the assylum system.
3. Illegal immigration which is actually the main problem.

Let the government proffer solutions to these ones first of all.

debosky:
PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING PREVENTED FROM CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY.


This shows your abject ignorance of the issues being discussed. You believe that the rules should remain static in light of changing external circumstances? That is not only unrealistic, that is patently foolish.

You cannot allow an endless influx of people (bringing dependants who are a drain on the economy, and who remit a large portion of their earnings abroad) and claim that this ‘contribution to society’ is the end all be all, especially when those countries don't offer you reciprocal rights as the EU does.

I repeat, people who want to contribute will still be let in. You need to stop saying contributing to society is being stopped by the policy when it only seeks to reduce numbers to manageable levels.

There are principles at play here which in your flimsy appraisal of the proposals you continue to overlook. This is not about reciprocity of rights by countries. The rules do not prevent people from contributing to society but it DISCOURAGES THE TYPE OF HIGHLY SKILLED MIGRATION THE SOCIETY NEEDS. Would you personally consider migration to the UK under these proposed rules?
I asked you the question if you consider it fair to have someone relocate from his own country to the UK with his family and work within that system for 5 years, contribute his taxes and remain a model citizen and then be told Sayonara after 5 years? Would you come to the UK under such a rule? I personally wouldn't go to a society that doesn't give a hoot about my own future but only seeks to use me for its own benefits and if such able people are being discouraged from coming when any riff raff from a EU country can walk in and begin collecting benefits almost immediately, how can you say that is beneficial to the UK in the long term?

dayokanu:
thats to keep the game competitive.

I am sitting pretty at the top echelon of the table, I figure I should be considerate to bottom feeders like you

See as yu're jabbering like regurgitated plankton, I'm shyting on you in the H-2-H and thats consistency, not riding on fluky game weeks in which yu're lucky to have Dzeko do somethings he will never do again in the PL. 
Even in the league, I'm coming for ya. 

@OP

Your happiness is at stake because you chose to hang it on a stake.
What the hell happened to your fundamental human right to self determination? Abi your parents still dey flog you with cane?
man or woman up jare, all these sob stories make me wanna puke.

DK, wetin be your excuse? abi ya boiz chop too much fufu before dem come pitch?

chamotex:
How will this improve your points tally?
Abi na technology go give you points?

Yeye boi, e fit don get 10 different apps for him phone so wey dey do all kain analysis come dey deceive persin for hia.  
I can't be at my PC at all times, even though I still dey agonize over the 1:50 sef as I be proper scrooge but the free one came handy for checking my point tally today without having to switch on my lappie. Long live freeware.

Surely that pic by texazzpete can't be real?
Anyone with that kinda Scan cannot be alive, maybe its a corpse being transported and packed with drugs.

Chew on this Debo and stop supporting absurd Tory initiatives that are going nowhere. Even the populace can see the stupidity in all this.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7317438/voters-support-lower-immigration-but-not-the-governments-policies.thtml

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[size=14pt]Voters support lower immigration, but not the government's policies[/size]

Matt Cavanagh 6:20pm

A major new survey of public opinion on immigration, published today by the recently-established Migration Observatory, should prove troubling reading for realists inside the Conservative party.

As yet, the opposition are not threatening them on the issue – Labour still find it easiest to get noticed when they are apologising for their own record – and the general thrust of the Conservative approach, that immigration has been too high and must be reduced, is clearly very popular.

But they have two problems. First, hardly anyone believes the government will actually deliver on their promises. A recent YouGov poll found 78 per cent believe it unlikely they would succeed in reducing annual net migration "from the hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands".

Second, while the general idea of reducing immigration is popular, there is far less public support for the way the government is going about it. This is the main value of today's survey. It finds only a minority (32 per cent) support reducing the numbers of either foreign students or high-skill migrants – the policies the government is actually pursuing.

The strongest support (64 per cent) is for reducing the numbers of low-skill migrants; but for many years now, the great majority of low-skill migrants have come from the EU, which the government can do nothing about. Indeed, the most recent figures show net migration from Eastern Europe increasing. (There is also strong support for reducing illegal migration, asylum seekers, and extended family members coming from abroad; though in the latter two cases, this is likely to be based on an exaggerated view of the numbers.)

This picture confirms what some of us have been saying for a while: not only is it dangerous for politicians to promise what they can't deliver, especially on an issue as emotive as immigration, it is perverse to end up targeting those categories of immigration which are the least unpopular, simply because they are the easiest to cut. It is especially perverse in the current economic climate, given that these categories are the most economically valuable.

The minister who has the job of trying to manage these contradictions is Damian Green. He is neither silly nor an ideologue, and it is said that privately he chafes against the net migration target. He has been experimenting with a different narrative: that net migration was "increasing relentlessly" until the election, and that the government should be given credit for stabilising it, even if they haven’t been able to reduce it. Unfortunately for him, the UK Statistics Authority has stated for the record that they "do not see evidence of an upward trend since 2004", and that they "would not regard the end of 2010 as the point at which the figures levelled off".

A better approach would be to follow the advice of the Migration Observatory, and abandon the crude target on net migration in favour of a wider range of indicators. In turn, this would allow the government to begin a longer term process of realigning their policy and language.

They should start by focusing on illegal migration. Today's survey finds that among the 69 per cent who say immigration should be reduced, a majority say the reduction should come "only" or "mostly" from illegal immigration; yet at the moment, the government's efforts in this area amount to little more than a new "shop-an-illegal" helpline, alongside cuts to border staff.

Next, the government should shift its approach to the categories of legal immigration which today's survey shows people are least bothered about: high-skill migrants and foreign students, where in each case a majority think the numbers should increase or stay the same.

On foreign students, Australia has just reversed their own restrictive approach, concerned at the damage to university revenue and the loss of export earnings. I have argued that the UK government should follow suit, concentrating on tackling visa scams and bogus colleges, but separating this from the numbers game of the net migration target – especially since only a small minority of foreign students stay permanently anyway. Today's survey confirms that despite foreign students making up the largest category of immigrants (37 per cent) on the government's chosen definition, they are seldom what people think of when they think about immigration. (People are still most likely to think about asylum seekers, despite the fact that for the last five years they have made up only 5 per cent of immigration – a damaging legacy of the asylum crisis of a decade ago, and the way the media covered it.)

On high-skill migrants, the government should abandon the idea of a further reduction in the quota, which David Cameron trailed in his speech last week, and move away from the crude and unfair emphasis on wealth, which in a lengthy analysis I identified as another big distorting influence across the range of current immigration policy. As I argued, it is hard to identify the next generation of entrepreneurs or Nobel laureates – and it certainly can't be done by looking at how much they are currently paid. The history of migration is one of talented, motivated people who start from fairly humble beginnings, and spend years working hard and making sacrifices for themselves and their family. It can take many years before this pays off, but when it does, it can do so spectacularly, for them and for the society which has offered them a home.

It is to Cameron's credit that he leavens his generally negative language on immigration by reminding people of the enormous contribution it has made to Britain in the past. But without a major change in policy, it will be significantly less likely to do so in the future.

Matt Cavanagh is an Associate Director at IPPR.[/quote]No one says there is no problem with immigration but for someone who migrated to the UK himself to support these policies is absurd, are you one of those people who believe in destroying bridges after you've crossed over?
I apologise in advance for making it a bit personal with you but that anyone could support these Tory policies riles me, it should be clear to anyone that it is definitely not in the best interests of the UK in the long term. The people who are able and ready to contribute to society will not be encouraged by these rules.

If I came to the UK on the Tier 1 and have successfully integrated myself into the society because of the opportunity afforded me, why exactly should any other young person with such talents and abilities as I have or even better who is willing to contribute to a society that accepts them be denied of such an opportunity just because some people want to score cheap political brownie points? 

Just noticed an Android App for the PL Fantasy league in the Android Market, comes in 2 editions Lite (free) and paid for (1.49 pounds).

Did you spend any significant part of your childhood in Ondo State? I think this was a program on the old OSTV/OSRC. Watched it up to my early teens methinks.

hannie:
As usual SONG has proved he is the MOST important player at Arsenal . . .sell SONG and we would be headed for relegation 

I agree with you, I hope he isn't run into the ground like last season. We need to keep him fresh to prevent that usual end of season slump. Coquelin and Frimpong should be used in the cups.

Park will get his opportunity, this was exactly the same way Eduardo was slowly brought into the team.

[Quote]on free-kick opportunities…
We didn't make enough of our free-kicks, that's an area that we can improve. If you consider the number of free-kicks we had today in interesting zones and the corners we had in offensive positions I feel we have to make more of our set-pieces.[/quote]We really need to improve on what we get from set pieces, to be honest I'd given up on RVP ever scoring a free kick again but he turned up and surprised me today and I can't remember when last we scored from corners. We need some dead ball specialist(s) in this team with a success rate above 50%, in those times when we're on top, we need to make the most of it and demoralise the opponent, punish them for every mistake our style causes them to make and make our possesion based game count for something. We will always be susceptible to counter punches because of the way we play.
It is important to note that we would have dropped valuable points yet again if RVP didn't score that free-kick.

Gervinho has gone a bit off the boil after a good start, I'm almost beginning to wonder who is better between him and Theo these days,  . They do peg back the opposition fullbacks but I expect more particularly from  Gerv as the ability to do more is there, I know if the MF can deliver the particular kinda ball Theo wants into space, he will score at least 1 out of ever 3 balls played behind the full back, but expecting him to contribute to build up play might be asking a bit too much even though he's come some way even with that. Gerv is a bit more unpredictable and he really should be doing more.

If we do end up winning something this season, letting go of Clichy would turn out to be a master stroke, the more I see Gibbs and Santos' composure on the ball in all areas of the pitch, the more I ask myself why Arsene tarried with Clichy's unsettled mind for so long. 

Jenkinson has some interesting qualities going forwards, he needs to get a bit stronger and will definitely get better with games and as his confidence grows. I like his tenacity and the height he brings to the backline as well, we don't usually look aerially vulnerable when he is on the pitch. Definitely a talent worth persevering with even though his introduction could have been more gradual but then when yu're good enough, you're old enough and we haven't got a choice now.

Too many false dawns to start getting bullish but this Arsenal team is beginning to look very interesting. The fact that we were able to rotate the team and use subs so much but still maintain a level of dominance is indicative of strength in depth and bodes well for the rest of the season.

Lest I forget, our oldies (Rosicky and Arshavin) looked different today, something seems to have lit a fire under them. Whatever it is, long may it last.

Weird, I'm now totally confused. Masashi Kishimoto has thrown us all a curve here and keeps us guessing once again. Great story writing.
But could this masked baddie be the Sage of the 6 paths? Surely only he has the power to wield both the eternal mangekyo Sharigan and the Rinnegan as all the eye techniques descended from him originally? 
In a twisted way, maybe he's trying to claim what is rightfully his but given to the Shinobi world and has since been the source of all war and its attendant sorrows. I can't remember who made the statement that as long as the Shinobi system existed that there cannot really be peace.

What exactly is the masked man's Great eye of the moon plan or whatchamacallit? isn't even he in his own very twisted way also trying to bring peace by subjecting everyone to some kinda Genjutsu control like the Matrix equivalent?

While Twisting's Madara clone theory sounds very appealing, can a clone really do all Tobi has done independently of the original's thoughts and control? IMO, if Madara is really dead and can be brought back with an Edo Tensei, then he couldn't have been behind all of this. I think Tobi was worried about Kabuto's 6th Casket because it would finally confirm the lie he'd perpetuated that he was Madara.

The only other person I can think of as this baddie is Shisui Uchia, he had a very interesting Sharingan ability to control people without them knowing (just like the current baddie in bleach who is able to alter people's perception of their own history with his book of the end ability), only thing is that according to the story, his 2 Sharingans have been shared between Itachi and the silly old man with the Sharingan covered hand (Danzou), but what if he was in reality just controlling both of them to have that perception of how things happened? He is also known as being proficient in the body flicker technique which is a lot like Tobi's escape technique which I'm not so sure is an implementation of Izanagi even though that has been implied.

He is also the only one of considerable power yet to be brought back with the Edo Tensei as Kabuto stated he was unable to find sufficient DNA samples to bring him back. The only thing I wonder about is what could have set him down this path? and who did he kill to gain his eternal Mangekyou? also, I don't think he was quite old enough to have mapped out his strategy as at the time of Naruto's birth.

3 points required and delivered. Thank yu Captain Vantastic for sparin our blushes. At last a platform to build on. Bring on The giants of Stoke.

Haaaaa DK, no escape for you o, your butt is seriously mine.
Which one should I use tomorrow as my big hitters haven't played? apola, belt or mallam's koboko? 

Okay, the thread has assumed some semblance of sanity. 
2 weeks to try and iron some yamayama things out on the training ground. Na which kain soup this boys go prepare tomorrow? 
Butter is not food for the monkey except for the one with a confused identity like Coogar
Bottom half of the PL table is not Arsenal's usual position. 3 points is required and must be delivered,  End of story.

@4ller
Leave Diaby alone abeg, our enemies know how good that boy can be that is why they jinxed him with injuries. 

By the way, when will people send out search parties for DK? he hasn't posted on this thread since the 12th and that is highly unusual. Did he get banned again?

What kinda marriage exactly is being referred to here?

1. Monogamous or polygamous?
2.The one that is for life or the one where you can divorce?
3. The one where I have to move out of the family house if I have irreconcilable differences with my partner or the one where I can chuck my wife's suitcases out if she burns my food?
4. Any other permutation and combination of order or disorder that I can't even begin to imagine.

Blanket statements like this are asinine and indicate no depth of thought whatsoever, life is too complex for such oversimplification.

This question is better rephrased "Why do Nigerians look for every excuse to vote for idiots who lack vision and are underserving of leadership positions when there are better options available?" 

Erm, its the kidnapping part I disagree with, I'm sure many men would gladly donate given the right conditions and then there wouldn't be any problem at all.

Yay, Diaby will be back soon and hopefully fit for longer. A different element in the MF when Ramsey is off colour would be nice and I'll like to see how he dovetails with Arteta.
Meanwhile, Arsene says he intends to control how the OX is fed so he doesn't get constipated too quickly. I hope he also doesn't starve him in the process.

debosky:
I just tried out an undiscovered usage for our favourite last choice CB. If you ever suffer from constipation, just imagine Squillaci starting a game for Arsenal and I GUARANTEE that your bowels will be loosened faster than a randy man's shokoto in a Lagos whorehouse.

You bad mon.  the toilets at the Ems would be a sight after such a match.

[quote author=Natasha,, link=topic=780936.msg933 2026#msg9332026 date=1318520039]^^how can you say a thing like that? she obviously isn't mentally stable she needs help[/quote]How do yu know she isnt mentally stable and what do yu define as sanity?
You should be aware that she might consider you dull and unexciting also. Who is to determine another's preference? as long as she aint ending up in A&E continually, all is fair in love and war jare.
Sean Connery also thumps Mrs Connery occasionally when they are playing their Bond fantasies and their marriage lasted more than Al Gore's and some Bishops I know.

We dey here o V3, na International break cause yawa and some of us are not in the mood to dispute asinine arguments from some people indicating that their noses share the same orifice with their backsides. 

Normal services to resume on Sunday with the usual yabis for underperforming players. It is incredible that in the first 3 months of the season, Szczesny has won player of the month twice. 
The boys have to turn this around.

dayokanu:
We learnt on this thread last yr that Chamakhs main strght is winning penalties and assists.

Where has that gone now?

Nowhere, it is sitting with him on the bench but doesn't get up when he does. 

Too many coins.

Nice joke

Well, now that she is no longer his daughter, he should also travel back in time and unborn her. What a crass buffon.

The height of absurdity, how did this buffon become an ACP?  
and from what bush did he emerge from?

@tkb

Don't tell me yu're joining Coogar in perpetuating imbecility, I will carry out a DDOS attack against stakersden o, be warned. 
leave us in peace on this thread.

Ibime:
@ Duduspace,

Be careful what you say on these pages. Comparing Frimpong to Tiote is prepostorous. First and foremost, Tiote is a highly technical midfielder, not just an enforcer. Frimpong is just an enforcer for now. Tiote plays on the left side of a 3 man midfield for Ivory Coast with his brief as much attacking as defensive and he acquits himself better than Yaya Toure who plays RCM while Zokora holds behind them. In other words, Tiote can play CM, DM or AM if need be, with all the technical qualities to flourish in each of those roles. Frimpong vs Tiote is like comparing Sani Kaita (very effective DM despite WC red-card) to Sunday Oliseh (highly technical with a passing ability better than most AMs)

Noted, I was referring to how he is being used at Newcastle and the comparison was between Coquelin and Frimpong. It remains to be seen what exactly Frimpong will become as Tiote has a 6 year headstart and the boy should just be glad he plays for Arsenal for now.  Lets see how Ghana choose to use him. Pardon me though, are you suggesting that Tiote is better than Yaya Toure as a CM/AM or did I get that part of your post wrong? 

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=743413.msg9292065#msg9292065 date=1317979096]I'm not even talkng 4-4-2.Even in 4-3-3,we can have both on the field with both switching roles like Theo/Gervais/Arshavin do in most of our games this season.What's wrong in giving opponents' fullbacks something to worry about from both sides a la Lennon/Bale,or Agbonlahor/Young?[/quote]I get you jare Kay, just that I would play the Gerv ahead of Theo anyday. A-40s boi dey try but abinibi pass abiliti. 
Ox is in the right place and being used aright for cups and subs appearances with a smattering of starts for now. With time even Theo would raise his hands and acknowledge he was overtaken by a better player. At least Arshavin no longer complains now abi who is he capable of benching now? 

[quote author=dipo+ link=topic=743413.msg9293813#msg9293813 date=1317996326]Guys

I'm I the only one itching to see Young play in our attack?
This Jackie Chan nucca be kicking goals for Korea on international duty steadily. Yet Wenger never even brought him in as a sub.

Beats me[/quote]Na so Arsene dey do him thing, someone already in the team either gets injured, fcks up badly or you perform exceptionally when called upon, Park did himself no favours when he didnt make an immediate impact against Shrewsbury, the 3 who did well have got other opportunities since (Coquelin in the PL and Frimpong and OX in the UCL).
Park is a cup tournament player for now until he starts delivering the goods anytime he is called upon. That was exactly the same way he handled Eduardo when he initially arrived.