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velo10:
Yes please count, how many people he has killed. You want to blame him for an uprising when rebels looted weapons to fight against he government and the government defended itself. Go on! You want to blame him for NATO extending the war, go on. You want to blame him for the Rebels massacaring black people like yourself in Libya, go on. Libya was one of the most peaceful nations in North Africa. You're about to see a War Zone. But unfortunately people like you supporting a western-backed conflict would sit in your peaceful country while a victim nation roasts

His own people rose up against him my friend, do you want to rewrite history? even before his people rose up he has been killing his own people.
How many leaders in the west that you detest so much need to use the kind of bodyguards he uses? The symbol of oppression was everywhere, don't pretend to be blind to it just cause you hate the west.
All those people coming to see the fall of Ghadaffi and rejoicing, were they paid or something?
You people just like seeing conspiracys everywhere. Even the west that you hate so much, their own people protest despite having a democratic platform but they are not gunned down like dogs when some of them probably should be.

ochukoccna:
For those celebrating the 'liberation' of Libya, take heed.
Will the NTC be able to unite the different tribal clans of Libya?
Only time will tell.
Any one who has been following the news out of Egypt can see the rise of radical Islam inching to take over the government.
Any one who followed the Libyan revolution will recall the former head of the military wing of the rebels was killed& his body burnt by Islamist fighters.
The same America which called Gaddafi a dictator lost her voice when the Bahrain government crushed protests of her citizens asking for equal rights with horrific brutality.
Haba!
Without NATO, Gaddafi would have crushed the rebellion easily like the massacres currently taking place in Syria .
Is it the love of the Libyan people or Libyan oil fueling the love of NATO?
Let not CNN fool you.
Ask the people of Iraq for the answer to the above question.

Abeg, lets leave the judgement of NATO for another day, at least nowadays they don't come in uninvited. Like the yorubas say, if there is no hole in the wall a lizard cannot enter.
This was a popular uprising, not some surreptitious coup.

velo10:
Bad enough to start a civil war on his country that has claimed 100,000 of lives? Dictator or no dictator as long as you can put your people first, then you deserve the acclaim. No Libyan was living in poverty isn't that an achievement? Why not take a look at your fake democracy in your country.

Bad enough to be removed at all costs. And how many people has he killed again? I forgot, no records. Their lives don't mean scat cos of some so called supreme leader.

What is it about dictators and holes sef? Saddam and now Ghadaffi. Why can't they just give up when its obvious things have fallen apart?
most african dictators don't die this way Doe apart who was tricked by ECOMOG.

velo10:
P/S: Without NATO, the rebels would have been history since March. NATO bombed cities to clear way to the rebels to invade.

Without his guns would he have been able to terrorise his people?
Ruled for 42 years, many years older than a lot of us haba?
I was running about in pampers in the 1980s during the lockerbie bombing and the US bombing of his palace.

playmode:
Very True

Gadaffi may have being a brutal leader but he was only brutal to those who questioned his leadership.He was better than all Africa's leader second only to Thomas Sankara of burkina faso.

Today is a sad day for Africa.No wonder Iran is building a nuclear bomb.Africans will never try hard to see through the lies of the western media.

Even ordinary American citizens are unhappy that Gadaffi was attacked because they know that their Government is only after Libya's resources.The monster called NATO continues to slowly colonize African countries.What is worse is that we Africans are urging them on.

It is his own people who are rejoicing in Tripoli, there is no one rejoicing in the streets or honking horns in London or Washington. You people just refuse to get it.
Why should he be brutal to anyone? is every one not equal before the law?
If you or someone close to you was a victim of his brutality, would you still say this?

chai, na the mighty Ghaddafi dem dey drag for street so?
if only the others would learn.

an image is already out o. I don't think he survived.

sleekdot:
His death, good or bad for Libya?

Time will tell but methinks the end of a dictator should always be applauded. He terrorised his own people.

Now, they are saying he is dead and that his body is in Misratha.

Yeah, its on Sky too. I hope its true.

Glad for the man. His progress in life shouldn't be truncated by an unfaithful and unreasonable woman with no honour who would set up the father of her own children just because of money.

Riddle me this Wackyj.

Where is Shisui's body?
Maybe its because I've watched too many Sherlock and Poirot movies but an unfound body is usually an indication someone isn't dead.

WackyJ1:
It cannot be Shisui oh,  One Shisui's eyes were taken by Danzo and the other was given to itachi. It wasn't an illusion for them because Danzo used the eye to control Mifune and shisui's chakra signature was confirmed by Ao's Byakugan. Itachi used the second eye to break free from the edo tensei which proves it was indeed Shisui's eye,

It still could be his original eyes  if he had gained the EMS, if I'm not mistaken the EMS is gained by replacing your own eyes with another's MS isn't it?  If he'd implanted someone else's eyes (Madara for example) would he still need his own eyes?  

WackyJ1:
1. Who told you he never Felt bad about the massacre. He just shut off his emotions so No one would suspect his true feelings since He made up his mind to play the villain.  why was he there that night if he didn't participate? Why did he attack sasuke? Who killed his Parents if not him?  Remember it was said that he was asked by Danzo to kill his clan members.

That is the story about Itachi but for so long everyone thought the reason he kept Sasuke alive was to take his own brother's eyes. Itachi is a very big mystery and with him you hardly ever know what is up. I believe he would still have some part to play in stopping Madara.
Just like Naruto continues to protect Sasuke because of the bond between them, what if Shisui was corrupted by Madara about the time of the massacre just like Sasuke was corrupted by Orochimaru?

WackyJ1:
2. Okay why did Danzo kill Shisui if he
helped him in acquiring the Sharingan and during the Massacre.

Good question but my premise is that Shisui isn't dead and that his ability to control people without them knowing had a part to play in the events of that time. It is not beyond imagination that even both Danzou and Itachi were controlled by him at some point to alter their perception of what happened.

WackyJ1:
3. If the death of his beloved made itachi develop his Sharingan Then how did sasuke see it when they came to accuse Itachi of killing Shisui?

Good question, can't explain that. But what if Itachi at that time did think he'd lost Shisui? remember the loved one doesn't have to die but the person who gains the MS must have gone through the emotion of losing someone so dear to them.

WackyJ1:
There are only two sets
of Ems in the naruto world. Madara and Sasuke.

That is as far as has been revealed. The EMS evolving into the Rinnegan was not on the menu until very recently. What if there is another EMS user who chooses to remain in the shadows?

WackyJ1:
Another question that might be raised is where did shisui get to meet madara from? Before Shisui can know a lot of information that madara would know to be able to fool everyone, he must have been with madara for a considerable length of time and someone would have suspected him just like they did Itachi due to some of his activities back then( which he himself said was due to him being mentored by Madara)

What if Itachi was largely a pawn in the whole process and if putting suspicion on Itachi and gettin to be elected to spy on him was the ruse to shift suspicion from himself? Kill 2 birds with one stone.
The way I see it, if you were to choose someone to spy on another would you really choose his best friend if it wasn't really his best friend who outed him from the onset thereby convincing you he was not on his best friend's side?
I'll go out on a limb again here.

At the time of Madara's return, Shisui and Itachi were the 2 elite members of the Uchiha, what if Madara chose to mentor them and successfully turned one?

WackyJ1:
Madara just like he said before gave rinnegan to Nagato. Back then we didn't know where madara got it from but now we do. Shisui wasn't alive at the time of the transfer so it can't be shisui,
The People of the Uzumaki clan did not come from Konoha originally though they had strong ties to Konoha specifically the Senju clan, they had their own village and so far only 3 Uzumaki's have been mentioned to have been in Konoha. After the Home village of the Uzumaki clan was destroyed, the survivors spread out and settled in many places just like the Senju and that's how Nagato got where he was

You are still holding on to the view that Shisui is dead, when he comes back with an Edo Tensei I'll accept.
Yeah, I read up more about the Uzumaki and had some prior misconceptions which I've now cleared up but how exactly did Madara give Nagato the Rinnegan? isn't that worth exploring?
I take it to mean that Madara has known and been Involved with Nagato as a baby.
One interesting thing about the Uzumaki's I recently found out is their longevity. Naruto's mum survived a tailed beast extraction. Could that be the reason for Nagato's choice to bear the Rinnegan?

For laffs, Ox and Tech9 clowning around. 

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Madara is really hardcore, is he already pulling down the moon? 

I am now almost a 100% the person behind the mask is Shisui, and the corrupting influence that set him along this path I now think to be Madara. One other thing is that Itachi I believe is an unwilling participant in all these and knows more than he reveals even from his grave. He might have experienced a bit of what choices Naruto might have to go through with Sasuke having gone through the same with Shisui and probably being unable to kill his friend when he should have.

Has anyone ever wondered why Itachi has never felt bad for the massacre of the Uchia clan?  
I don't think he was involved at all, it was done by Danzou and majorly Tobi/Shisui? hence the sharingan eyes on Danzou's hand and the multitude of Sharingan eyes in Tobi's fish tank.
Unlike what people thought, Itachi's sharingan was actually activated by the death of his beloved during the massacre and not by the death of Shisui.

I'll spin a bit of a long yarn here.

Madara lived up till the time of the Uchiha massacre but he handed over to someone else right about that time because he was close to death. That might also explain the extra pair of EMS eyes which I've wondered about with Shisui.
I believe Shisui is the "He" that Madara refers to about having a plan and that the plan is not going well because the plan was probably to find a way to bring Madara back at some point with Nagato's rinnegan. Infact, when Madara came back he thot he had been brought back through Nagato and not by the Edo tensei something Tobi also alluded to when he discovered Nagato's use of the Rinnegan to bring back the dead at the time he attacked Konoha.

.There are still some unexplained things as well, how was Madara's awakened Rinnegan transferred to Nagato who is descended from the Uzumaki tribe? or did Nagato just get his by some dint of fate?
From what both Madara and Tobi say, it seems they had something to do with how Nagato obtained the Rinnegan.

Another thing that had bothered me for a while is how Nagato who from his hair has been suggested to be descended from the Uzumaki's ended up so far away from Konoha. Could it be that he was an abducted child who had been experimented upon by Tobi/Madara and left with adoptive parents?   (This is based on the utterances of both Tobi and Madara knowing about Nagato).

Questions:
1. Why did the Rinnegan have to reside in a Senju child and not an Uchiha? could it be that a Senju would develop it at some point to balance up things? is it possible Naruto will also gain the Rinnegan at some point?

2. What effect does the Rinnegan have on an Uchia body? can it be that only a Senju body can sustain it for long hence its use on Nagato?

For once, we profited from a late goal, nice turn around boys and that is what happens when your squad is deep. You can take off Arshavin and Theo yet still bring on Ramsey and Gervinho

gOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOaL

Its our boys who cause their own problems, after that close shave, Song still felt the best thing to do was to dribble in the box.

Roland17:
Santos think say na set we come play for france

That chap's fitness needs some serious work. Quite skillful though and great composure.

edoyad:
My friend stop complaining, when i was your age we used to wait 48hrs to read about matches on Complete Sports in the school Library

The days when DSTV dish was a status symbol.

Santos, Santos, Santos.

Come on Gunners, time to do the biz.

slimyem:
watched iton Ostv as a kid.guy had a funny way of tucking in his shirt and matching the combo with a face cap.

Yes, I remember the cap very well.
nice dramas like Ipile rere as well with Mr A-D-A (Adan) and the Iriri Aiye series.

Lets look at the character called Tobi.

1. He is definitely an Uchia or at least doesn't get drained from activating the Sharingan like Kakashi does and Danzou as well.
2. Is seemingly able to assimilate the Rinnegan as well without any adverse effect
3. Is able to manipulate and control people without them knowing
4. Employs high secrecy and is only known to a few.

Kmaster2010:
hey guy what are you saying, both itachi and danzou could use the sharingan, danzou used it agains mifune which was confirmed by aoi nd itachi used it to free him self from kabuto's control,  Plus izuna mangekou sharingan can not be the only 1 with the ability to cast kuto amesuke.  I think we just have to wait

I wasn't talking about the Sharigan but the combination with the Rinnegan. The only other person who has wielded both in history is the sage, Nagato is the only person apart from the sage in the entire Narutoverse who had the Rinnegan but he didnt have the Sharingan. By assimilating both ocular techniques Tobi has effectively become like the sage.

Feraz:
it can't be shisui cos the 4th's too advanced for him. Pls, don't call young people who the 4th saw when they were born. . . .i don't think Madara's clone could do all of that and the 4th didn't know. I suspect madara's younger brother. . . .

I understand your viewpoint, but from the story do we really know how old Shisui was? the only thing we know is that he was Itachi's best friend but its easy to forget that Itachi was the youngest ANBU unit leader at 13 so its not likely he and Shisui were exactly age mates, and remember that during Naruto's birth during the 2nd attack of the 9 tails, Itachi was shown holding Sasuke and promising to protect him, also remember that Shisui was already acclaimed as one of the most talented in the Uchia clan, fought with Ao and already renowned for his proficiency in the body flicker technique (which sounds very similar to Tobi's favorite teleportation technique). Does that really sound like someone Danzou could easily kill and take his eyes but leave alive?
And the 4th would definitely have defeated Tobi mano a mano during the first attack if not for the weaker people Tobi endangered by releasing the 9 tails whom he had to save as well.

There are other things that point in Shisui's direction as well in that he was a shadowy character (remember that Itachi said he was the one who taught him that a true shinobi protects the village from the shadows surreptitiously?)

He was known as one of the most talented in the Uchia clan and his Kotoamatsukami ability makes for impressive reading.

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Kotoamatsukami is the ultimate genjutsu granted by Shisui Uchiha's Mangekyō Sharingan. The technique itself allows the user to enter the opponent's mind and manipulate them by giving them false experiences, making it seem as if they were doing things of their own free will. It is regarded as a genjutsu of the highest class, due to the victim being entirely unaware that they are being manipulated[/quote]1. What if the experiences of both Itachi and Danzou about the demise of Shisui were implanted after activating Kotoamatsukami?
2. How old exactly was Shisui?
3. Why is Shisui the only one who hasn't been brought back by Edo Tensei despite a popularly known death by drowning and why is Kabuto unable to get Shisui's DNA despite getting that of even Madara?
4. Why did Tobi cover his other eye until he got the Rinnegan? could it be because it was always empty? If Tobi was really Madara, no one would recognize him anyway as there is none alive now who ever really saw Madara so why exactly does Tobi need to wear a mask if not because there are still people living who would recognise him e.g. Tsunade and the older Kages and the 4th himself when they fought.
5. Whose death activated Shisui's MS? and where is that person's eyes?
6.Why didn't Itachi activate his own EMS with Shisui's eyes but remained susceptible to going blind with the MS? could it be because it wasn't really an MS eye he was given? Note that the eye Shisui had supposedly lost to Danzou is the same eye Tobi used until he got the Rinnegan while keeping the other covered.
7. What was the meeting between Danzou and Tobi prior to the time of the Uchiha massacre about?

The only 2 people with known teleportation techniques (body flicker) are the 4th and Shisui, the 4th uses seals to mark locations he can teleport to but is it not likely Shisui did his through his Sharingan just like Tobi?

I agree Izuna is also a creditable option for the masked man as little is known about him but I strongly believe Shisui's abilities have a major part to play in all of these, it is too strong IMO to be a coincidence. Right now the identity of the masked man IMO can only be one of Shisui, Izuna and the Sage of the 6 paths, it can no longer be Madara. You have to be dead to be brought back by Edo Tensei.

For some weird reason, I also believe that Itachi knows the true identity of Tobi and if it isn't Madara, the only other person Itachi respected who he would lie for is Shisui.The other person who knew Tobi's real identity was Danzou who is now dead.

What is making this team so confident to be playing a mid season friendly? 
is your squad depth that high that you don't mind copping a few more unnecessary injuries?
Rangers is already about 10 points ahead of everyone in their league.

Okay, e ma binu I think its for the Hillsbro disaster.

That part about you not backing any youth player is not really true, you and A-40 are Theo's major backers and the boy is really a fighter.

debosky:
How long do we wait is my question - what did he do last season?

As long as it takes 
I accept he has not taken of as well as someone like Miyaichi for example but personalties and circumstances differ. The club saw a talent they thought worth developing and paying for, it doesn't make sense to chuck all that away just cause of a rocky start. The club did pay 3.5m to get the boy because they identified something in him and actually tried to get him to stay in London. Nordtveit also had problems settling in Spain, now he is a starter for Monchengladbach in the Bundesliga and some would say we sold him too soon at 21.

debosky:
Stop comparing apples with oranges. Szcesny was good on loan, keeping clean sheets. Wilshere was very good at Bolton, Gibbs was good when he was fit, so was Coquelin and Frimpong. Some of these lads should be further ahead than where they are now - if you can't get a starting berth on loan, it is unreasonable to expect to come back and challenge for a spot at Arsenal.

Its you who needs to take your own advice about apples and oranges. Szczesny came to Arsenal at 15 and was a starter on loan at a Ligue 1 club in England at 19, you need to cut an 18 year old we just bought from Brazil and sent to spain some slack if he can't make the match day squad of a club who is currently ahead of Real Madrid in the La Liga.

debosky:
Was Cleverley not playing regularly at Wigan? My point is that if players are out on loan and simply warming the bench there (e.g. JET) then that may be a sign that they should be sold off and not occupy space on the club roster/wage bill.

True there might be a sign, but isn't the coaching team the best placed to make that decision? as much as I believed JET had talent, I had to accept he might have other issues the coaching club couldn't persevere with after a while and his performance so far shows he still has to get over that hurdle. We sold Seb Larsson cos there wasn't space for him and even he accepted he wasnt good enough for Arsenal when he parted with us but even Arsene is now calling him the best free kick taker in the league.

debosky:
Dude you're way off point - I am very interested in the process of development, but when players are endlessly on loan and not getting anywhere (even at the loan clubs) then there should be a reasonable limit on how long we 'hope' for them to come good. Even if it means selling them on with a buyback clause, it's better than hoping forever for boys to come good.

If you are, you don't show it much, I've hardly ever seen you say any words of encouragement about a youth player. As caustic as Dr. Kit can be about all things Arsenal at least every one knows he backed JET to the last and still continues to back him. I can't point out 1 youth player yu've ever backed. Even Szczesny and Wilshere yu never backed and that is fact. I clearly remember the taunting and jest I got while posting the reviews Szczesny was getting while on loan at Brentford on previous threads.

debosky:
As for RVP, his talent was unmistakable so it was worth taking a gamble. I feel the same way about players like Gibbs, but I haven't seen that unmistakable talent in Bartley. Besides, we know how bad Arsenal is at producing CBs.

RVP was bought at 21 and his development was majorly pursued within the club, players like Lansbury and Bartley were developed from much earlier ages and are being treated differently by using the loan system. What I appreciate about them and which indicates their quality is that everywhere they go to, they earn a shirt. The SPL might be inferior in quality to the PL but if a boy goes to Rangers and earns a shirt immediately, it makes no sense to cut him off just because he has an injury.

debosky:
Provide evidence please - how exactly do you  know they NEVER do so?

Arsene categorically states it everytime he's asked and infact always speaks against clubs like Man City subsidising Adebayor's loan to Spurs. It is against his principle.
It has also caused the breaking down of a number of loan deals for our players.

debosky:
That is not necessarily true -  Wenger would have created a real gap between low earners and big earners, giving the up and coming lads motivation to work harder.  Utd have young players in their squad and didn't all demand increases because Rooney's pay was increased massively MID-SEASON (not in the summer) last season, so why would Arsenal's case be different?

Rooney is not Nasri, Rooney has done it time and time again and only a silly person would say he is not worth whatever Manure is paying him.
If it was RVP, I would say maybe he's earned it. Nasri definitely has not earned what City were willing to pay him at Arsenal. But even then when comparing Manure's mid range earners to ours, I must point out that Cleverley has also moved into the 40k per month bracket after less than 5 games for Manure in the PL and that is the same bracket the likes of Vela/Bendtner/Wilshere and Ramsey are, I seriously doubt that either of Frimpong or Coquelin earn more than 15k.
The view point that we are the only club not engaging in dichotomy of wages is a myth, that viewpoint doesn't explain a difference in wages of 20m+ between us and the clubs at the bottom of the pack we're chasing. It is the top end earners that grossly inflate the wage bill not the bottom feeders. One Yaya Toure on your payroll would more than pay for Bartley, Wellington, Galindo, Campbell and Miyaichi particularly when you tack on the 20+ million he was bought for.

Depends on 3 factors:

1. Circumstances leading to slap
2. Location of where slapping took place
3. My mind set at the time. I'm not always good neither am I always bad.

Some slaps could lead to some serious bedmatics, a calm turning of the other cheek or a full scale summer slam of the WWE type depending on any permutation or combination of these 3 factors.

Not much to add, it takes some energy to move your butt and it usually takes even more energy to make money if you don't win the lotto.
You can't have it all Kapish? 

nasoeb:
@ duduspace

There are constructive arguments and then there are mindless rantings of idle people looking to while away the time. Which of the two are you referring to?
I am an Ekiti man and we don't spend our lifetime arguing so at some point we must have lost an argument.
If you mean that Ekiti people due to their high literacy rates are good at adopting a sound logical basis for their arguments then yu're very right, why the hell I should accept an illogical point of view beats me and would require some serious convincing and headbanging on the part of the person putting forth such a view.  

Shut up you deluded being
Its either you are on "Expired Drug" or your "Medulla is Acting up"

You must mean High Level of illiteracy

Shame no dey catch all the Ekiti People, see how dirty the state is

Lord Have Mercy

If your symptoms persist after 5 minutes, kindly check in at your usual place of convalescence, I don't exchange words with loonies. 
That Ekiti state is in the top 4 states in Nigeria in terms of literacy levels of the population is a statistical fact, if you want the data I can give you when yu're in your placid state.

@Debosky

Wellington will come good, FYI Levante is currently above Real Madrid in the La Liga table.
If he is playing for them at this point in time, that would make him better on current form than a lot of players at RM a fact we all know is untrue. 

Keep on cutting se o gbo like your Tory paddies, maybe they should have cut off Szczesny and Wilshere too abi? and while at it cut off Gibbs, Coquelin and Frimpong too? 
despite buyin the likes of Jones and Young for such high values, even Manure held on to the likes of Cleverley till he clocked 22 but you want to be cuttin a player of Wellington's talent off at 19?  arrant nonsense.
You are only interested in the talent when it comes good and not the process of development, do you pick money off the ground or you go to work during the month and pick your paycheck at the end of it? 

Campbell scored for Lorient on his first start, had one or more assists as well from the bench and seems to have staked a good claim for a first team berth even ahead of Sunu who we sold to them, Bothelo is also a starter at Rayo Vallecano and already has an assist.
Bartley has been injured for a while and that is why he is not playing. He is a fan favorite at Rangers. If it has always been club policy to cut off players who are injured, RVP wouldnt be our captain today.

I believe you are also aware that Arsenal NEVER pay any part of the wages of players they loan out while they are on loan?

@Proudly

It was their new coach at Levante who actually requested that Wellington be loaned to them again, the same guy who was Pedro Bothelo's coach last season. The boy has to be patient, the manager is going for experience for now and its paying off.

As to Arsene's comments about half of the players wanting to leave, you could have just imagined what would have happened if they'd bent to Nasri's demands? Even Frimpong would have demanded an increase and that boy has some kain strong head. I am glad the club stayed strong on that.

Congratulations to our new Vice Captain on renewing his contract, that is the kind of commitment the senior members need to be showing that they've got faith in the current squad. I know RVP is bidding his time and really wants to be sure he is making the right decision at the age he is, his next contract will be his last major one. I hope team performances and future results help to convince him to commit to the club.

Well, Scientists say beauty and brains actually go together. In this era of dodgy statistics, I'm not so sure they aint just sucking up to vox populi and the Beyonces of this world.
But if there is a gene that turns on big bosoms, curvy backsides, faces to kill for and genius level IQ, I'm sure I've got it so all the ladies in the house had better start queueing up at my door if they want such children.