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Sagamite:
So your child should dictate to you?

I am sorry, but my opinion is that, if a child is your ward and it is your responsibility under the law to raise the child, then you have liberty to dictate where to raise the child. Until he is old enough to not be demanded by the government to be taken care of by you, until then his child rights is subservient to parental rights and dictates that is not harmful.

It does not necessarily mean your child should dictate to you, it however limits what you can do in the guise of discipline.

You have a right to dictate where to raise your child YES, but the state has the authority to deny you that right if they believe there is a danger to the child, in this instance the child has alleged forced marriage and abduction and the court is obligated to hear him out. If the parents believe they've done right then let them bring the boy back.

Sagamite:
The courts should not have placed an order based purely on a child's allegation, without any evidence and reasonable realism whatsoever.

The court placed the order not due to the child's allegation but the mother and family's repeated attempt to block his return to come and state his case. If this child turns up dead tomorrow and the judge didn't place this order what do you think the society will say?

Sagamite:
It is as silly as the laws that dictate a woman can call police and demand her husband leaves the house because she fears domestic violence without having to produce any reasonable proof.

DANGEROUS PRECEDENCE!

We all know the law is an ass and is never really right all the time, but would you really preffer to have no law? besides it is not in all intances that the man has to leave the house, he only has to keep his cool and never raise his hand to the woman. Infact there are now cases of women being arrested for domestic violence instead. for example 2 of the WWE wrestlers have had their female partners arrested for domestic violence perpetuated against them.
What the law abhors is excessive self help.

Sagamite:
The court is faulty to take parental rights for a risk that does not exist and has not been checked out or reasonably assessed.

The law is not allowed to be lazy and then impede on people's rights under lazy assumptions. That is DANGEROUS to human rights.

I did not tackle this because I did not want to distract from your strawman. I wanted to address the strawman first.

So basically you are saying the courts should assume the parents are guilty until they prove themselves innocent?

Really?

There is no empirical evidence to show that such forced marriage can realistically occur or has ever occurred.

There is no evidence/witness put forth of the parents planning a marriage.

There is no evidence/witness put forth of the parents saying they are going to arrange a marriage.

There is no evidence/witness that after breaking the law, they have conducted OR ATTEMPTED to conduct a forced marriage. (albeit, this is after the fact)

Gotta step in here Sagamite, yu've ommited some of the things eldee pointed out

1. The parent is not being punished for sending the kid to Nigeria but for frustrating the court's efforts to bring him back to substantiate his allegations of being forced against his will, in following the concept of fair hearing, it is only right for the child to be brought back to state his side of the story.

2. The court has not convicted the parent of trying to forcefully marry off her son.

Sagamite:
So Nigerian parents should be banned from taking their kids to Nigeria because, according to YOU, the British judicial system has a right to BLANKETLY, frivously BLANKETLY, make an assumption that any kid in Nigeria is in danger?

So explain to me what stops a Nigerian court from preventing a UK kid from being taken by his O&G expatraite parents back to the UK where child abuse is a big issue.

There is no assumption being made here, a 17 year old has stated that he has been taken against his will, if the parents have nothing of their own to hide let them bring him back. Put yourself in the judge's shoes and take an impartial view. Parental rights are secondary to the rights of the child.

Sagamite:
So a UK court can prevent a parent from taking their child to Nigeria or ANY other non-first-world country of origin because of NON-direct issues that exist due to weak local structures that is inferior to UKs. WTF! I repeat WTF!

RIDICULOUS!

This is an emotional outburst, so many people take their children away from the UK 24/7/365 without any wahala. A child has stated he is being forced to do something against his will, the UK accords the same rights to everyone and that is why the parent is jailed for preventing the child from being brought back to state his case.

In addition, you should know that an attempt to force a marriage can happen anywhere even in the UK and needs to be investigated where an allegation is made.

The parents aint smart, they are allowing the boy communicate with his defence team via email I guess, I'm not for parents being dictators over their children but the child doesn't even seem to care if he sends his mother to jail? which kain pikin be dat one and why is the mother even fighting sef?  'disown the stubborn boy'  or cope with his unusual behaviour simple.

I wonder why people want to eat their cake and have it, does this mother really think a 17 year old who had his formative years in the UK where they continually reinforced his right to self determination can be forced to change his mind with beatings? The boy will just wake up someday and machete the woman or one of those people to death.

Yup, always thot Tuface would resemble Charles Olumo (Agbako) as he grew older. now its been confirmed.

mukina2:

yeeeepaaaaaaaaaaaa man mus wac is being nice to my team . .erm erm tell us why please?

Peepin at your butt when you come to shite here on their forum has turned his head.

Andre Uweh:
The above nonsense is very irrelevant to the thread.

tpsolomons:
His total wealth has been calculated at $11bn (£6.8bn) which means there could well be some equally big signings following Torres to Stamford Bridge in the summer.

Did you see this portion at all?  or all those billions you saw up there dazzled your eyes and sent you into a trance? 

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=567426.msg7750782#msg7750782 date=1297979365]the beauty of this forum is careless comments like above can easily be dug out in the coming weeks. i rest my case until arsenal face barcelona at camp nou. i already know your excuse cos you were making them on the match thread last night. . . . ."there's nothing shameful losing to a team like barcelona"[/quote]No wahala, when we get to that river we will cross it, lets have our day and not look too much into the future, y'all accuse me of projecting too much.
My opinion hasn't changed, we beat arguably the best side in the world yesterday and it makes me more impressed with our team cos I wldn't have been too disappointed if we'd lost.

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=567426.msg7750717#msg7750717 date=1297978676]the stats would have made sense if arsenal had won a dime in the same period wenger started his youth policy. 5 yrs and 9 months into the project and arsenal are yet to win anything meaningful in europe/domestic football. the youth project is a failure by that standard. [/quote]I didn't expect them to make sense to you, that imaginary bus you saw packed at the emirates is still blocking your view, are yu sure yu aint seeing dead people?

dayokanu:
Thats the difference between Kit a true fan and a duduspace a unreasonable optimist

Who cares about the opinion of a forum pest?  

I've got to give it to Dr. Kit sha, he called this right from day one, even I wasn't so sure we could beat this Barcelona team. Only you and eldee went to look for trouble on the Barca thread.

Rooney's goal was special but then there is too much noise about it, they didn't make this much noise about RVP's flying Karate goal against Charlton which was much better.

Good for him, we are not concerned about his money, if he likes let him spend 500m in the next window, clubs like Liverpool will only help redistribute his money.
Project Youth is in full swing at the emirates, bring on all the money yu like, we're still gonna spank chelsea.

Interesting Stats about our starting 11 yesterday:
Avg age of team: 23.36
Number of Players who joined Arsenal before clocking 18:  7 (Cesc, Wilshere, Szczesny, Clichy, Song, Djorou, Theo)
Number of Players who joined Arsenal before clocking 22: 3 (RVP, Nasri, Eboue)

Anyone still wanna say there is no project youth and that this all happened by chance?

Moral of the story, when Arsene is going for that next young talent, think twice before yu start pounding your keyboard to say he doesn't know what he is doing.

What is happening at Carrington? first Park, now elder statesman Owen have you started an MMA tournament in training?

Happy Birthday Monsieur Slim, lets start up a birthday party with the equipment DK left behind in disappointment. 

Olojo ibi, ijo kan e jare.
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mukina2:
how do you feel now?

He can't come out now, his creditors are currently auctioning his pant.  

And nobody should come and tell us Messi's goal wasn't off, technically it was cos of the double ricochet.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=567426.msg7744749#msg7744749 date=1297896510]i wasnt expecring a clean sheet i doubt anyone was! abeg dont sound like you expected to lose
Don't buss that nut too soon gee! Newcastle is still fresh on our minds![/quote]We were a man down and 2 dodgy penalty calls didn't help but I'm sure he learnt his lesson about those kinds of leg entanglements in the box.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=567426.msg7744749#msg7744749 date=1297896510]Why should I take you seriously you would start Yinka Ayefele ahead of Theo! He had a good 1st half and our midfield didn't go to him enuff[/quote]If yu followed the origin of my discussion with Debo, that was precisely my point, not that Theo isn't good, he seriously turned a corner earlier on in the season, I just felt we would not have the midfield domination to make him dangerous earlier on in the game, on watching the game again though I have to admit he was a lot dangerous than I even thought he would be, the boy keeps gettin better and I have no doubts about him anymore.
My only reason for wanting him on the bench really was that I felt he could be an hidden weapon, with the way Nasri was outrunning Maxwell at the end of the match I can only imagine what Theo would have been doing to him if subbed on.

proudly9ja:
Great game by all to be honest. Kos, Jack and Sczczezny were fantastic.

The emergence of Jack is a critical component of the new Arsenal, atimes he functions as a 2nd playmaker from deep, The next question Arsenal fans should start debating is Who was better at the same age between Cesc and Jack?
Honestly, I'm beginning to think Jack edges it because he combines it with the much touted British Grit, there have been times I've seen Cesc's head drop but I've never seen Jack's head drop. I'm not sure if its because this 5 year drought weighs more on Cesc.

proudly9ja:
If the ref had given the penalty for the handball, would you have said the same?

No need disagreeing tonight, Tonight, we beat the best team on the planet without parking the bus!!

I would have said it was ball to hand and that he was just unlucky. 

Yu're very right, it was important to beat them without changing how we play, we have to be comfortable with our philosophy.

HNIC:
@A-40
You saw Koscielny aka oko oloyun tonight?

When we told A-40 Kos was good, he was yarning megedefegede.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=567426.msg7744534#msg7744534 date=1297894582]oga go siddon! this is like saying walcott shoulda started last season![/quote]You have a point there, I heard Theo put in the kind of shift Arshavin isn't known for in the first half to cover Eboue. After all said and done though, I still would start Arshavin ahead of Theo but Theo is a lot better and at 21 has much room for improvement.
But if it was Arshavin who started and got taken off, yu lot would have been saying Theo should have started.

tkb417:
beautiful stuff from Arsenal
best display from any side playing Barca in about 2-3 years now
end to end stuff. If Arsenal play like this in Spain, Barca would be beaten
impressed. You cant fault the team and tactics
substitutions were on point
well done

Thanks tkb, you're the only reasonable voice on the Utd thread, please tell those 'Bingos' on your thread that they can now come out from their hiding places.  
Ain't my boys coming along just nicely?

Now, do I start saying I was right that Arshavin should have started? Not really I don't gloat.  
Arsene must have had good reason to start Theo and yes on current form he deserved it, nevertheless something tells me he would have been better coming on as a sub and we could have even scored more.
I'm beginning to suspect a subtle flaw in this Barca team, their stamina levels if they're made to work hard, almost same results and same pattern as the last time out, only difference our defence was better this time.
Let's hope we carry that into the return leg and leave no chance for Messi to get 4 goals this time.

FBS:
certainly they are flipping beatable. Just ask JM!  

Still a damned good team though, no matter the result.

dayokanu:
Goal for backside anal

DK, can I start asking how 'Muzik' market today in advance? e be like say e wan rain.  

Arshavin goal

What a finish by RVP. I brought some good luck, just arrived home.  

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=605353.msg7743917#msg7743917 date=1297889644]by going 7 years without a league title? [/quote]Real madrid has not gone 5 years trophyless but got beaten 5-0 so the link between today's performance and lack of trophies is only in your imagination.

chamotex:
Woli Fufuface, you are already changing your story. The game is not even over yet.
So Real Madrid is the team to benchmark your teams performance on abi.

Typical Gaynner " It's not a shame to lose to a team that beat Real Madrid". smh
Because they beat Real Madrid . . . Arsenal should also lose abi. Oma se o

I have never changed my opinion about this matchup?    we shouldn't have had it in the first instance if our boys didn't mess up in the group stages.
all I've said is I want to see the boys compete and I don't want us to be cowardly in packing the bus. There is no shame for any team who loses to this Barcelona team, anyone who loves good football will appreciate this team and we are aspiring to their levels.
The important thing is that you don't get to that level by packing the bus when you play them.

There is no shame in losing to a team that blasted Real Madrid 5 - 0, as long as the boys compete no one will complain.

dayokanu:
We won just last May, You havent won since Benedict became Pope.

SPot the diference!!!

History is story. Dortmund is shyting all over you at present

Which kain useless early yellow is that? was the tackle that bad?

[quote author=*Cougar* link=topic=567426.msg7743370#msg7743370 date=1297884966]who else but fufuface? just handcuff him to the biggest loudspeaker. . . .or strait-jacket his arse. [/quote]Has your back started paining you from your self inflicted punishment?