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Ola Johnson: Have you found out if those rusted roofs have leakages? Don't bother yourself, they don't. The nature of the SW makes it possible for corrugated iron roofing sheets to be in use for up to 30 years without leakages. This is unlike the SS and parts of the SE with acidic rain. Why should a Yoruba man in Ibadan change his roofs when there are no leakages? Ask somebody that is learned to tell you the meaning of "necessity is the mother of invention."

The thatch roofs were not leaking either.
To be honest thatch roofs are a greener technology, i wonder why we did away with them, they are even more historic.

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Rossikk: Perhaps. But they also show a distinct lack of aesthetic sense among the govt and people.

It really wouldn't hurt to re-roof those houses using modern materials as opposed to corrugated iron, in some sort of state-led public program.

A dash of paint on the houses wouldn't go amiss either.

This is what baffles me.
How is rusted iron historic?
Poverty is now historic.
Poverty is a scourge that should be expunged from our vicinity.

[quote author=on a good day]you are the one misinforming the public, i said in my earlier post that a doctor has a lil knowledge in pharmacology and i expect u to know that it is with respect to a pharmacist, and you came with assertions explaining how knowleadgable a doctor is and all that. Now if a doctor does residency for 6 yrs and 12 monts in sch,which total of 7yrs and a pharmacist is allowed to do 4yrs in sch and 6 yrs residency which is 10yra,pls who,in ur opinion would provide better care to the patient with respect to drugs.
2ndly you said a doctor cannot be better than a pharmacist in being pharmacist,meaning,if i get u,that they have job descriptions anywhere they may cross each other,so why are they fighting tooth and nail to get pharmacists out of the hospital,finally ether they(doctors) like it or not,pharmacist are drug experts hohaa!!!![/quote]I am not fighting anyone.
I just don't want you feeding the public wrong information.
I am here to set the records straight.
Does it not make sense to know the pharmacokinetics, pharmocodynamics including side effects contraindications etc of the drug one is prescribing.
Pls refer to the link i gave.
I don't know why u are trying so hard to belittle doctors.

omonnakoda: A pharmacist is NOT an expert in pharmacology.They are NOT pharmacologists. I don't think you understand what a pharmacist does

Pls refer to my previous post and the link.

[quote author=on a good day]you have just displayed how ignoramous and egocentric you can be,so for the mere. fact that you did 6months or so pharmacology makes you better than a pharmacist that did it for over four years,your shallow reasoning does not you allow reason that mere laboratort posting does not make equal to the scientist, you need to understand that you field is diagnosis,stick to it and stop sending our loved ones and friends who come to the hospital as patients to early grave with your shallow knowledge of other professions and your "i know it all" attitude bcecause you do not know it all[/quote]There you go again with sentimental misinformation and misquoting.
Pharmacology as a medical student runs for a minimum period of twelve months.
Residency as a doctor in clinical pharmacology / Therapeutics runs for 4 to 6 years.
Please i never said doctors are better than pharmacists at being pharmacists cause that is just ridiculous.

omonnakoda: They are not workers they are apprentices. They cannot treat patients in their own name or independently but ONLY UNDER SUPERVISION. What is a permanent practising licence. Young man please be quiet and stop talking rubbish.
If we accept that they are training then the issue of strike should not come up.Why do they strike more than the consultants who are the REAL EMPLOYEES

A document that enables you practice as a professional in a field e.g medicine pharmacy etc independently.
In other words a doctor can decide to open a hospital and employ nurses, pharmacists, lab technicians etc.

omonnakoda: What does any of that have to do with Pharmacy

Did you miss out clinical pharmacology and therapeutics?
pharmacy, the science and art concerned with the preparation and standardization of drugs.
Pharmacists are responsible for the preparation of the dosage forms of drugs, such as tablets, capsules, and sterile solutions for injection. They compound physicians’, dentists’, and veterinarians’ prescriptions for drugs. The science that embraces knowledge of drugs with special reference to the mechanism of their action in the treatment of disease is pharmacology.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/455192/pharmacy#toc35617
In other words they both deal with drugs while one formulates it the other places more emphasis on its effects or interactions in humans.

omonnakoda: Guy calm down and be civil. I will not answer questions about what I have not said so stop conjuring up stories.
What lies ? The issue here is not what residents do or do not do.
Residents do not have any patients in their own name but treat their bosses patients under his supervision and he is responsible for what they do.
What kind of contract do they have ? Is it a contract for service or for training? Is it a pensionable appointment.They are appointed for X number of years whether they pass therir exams or not and then they quit. It is an APPRENTICESHIP period!! Distinguish a resident from even a Hospital grade or a staff grade doctor whose contract is PERMANENT and pensionable or even the Hospital porter the same permanent contract till retirement.

Residents are trainees so I don't know what you are trying to say. Their contract is just like that of a House Officer,though longer, a training post all the same

Please do not modify my posts when you quote me.
That is cheap.
Half truths are lies. You said resident doctors are not workers, i corrected you on that.
If you refer to my previous post remember i said resident doctors have a limited time to complete their training after which they are expected to leave or continue if offered appointment.
This is unlike ANY OTHER medical profession employed in the hospital with a permanent practicing license.
That is why they agitate for better funding and equipment for their training which may span from 4 to 8 years depending on the specialty.

[quote author=on a good day]the problem affecting my family or urs should not be our pry concern. our main concern should be how to make sure everybody does thier job and can be held responsible should anything go wrong. A doctor is an expert in diagnosis,with lil knowledge in pharmacy,nursing,lab and so on,a pharmacist is concerned with anything drug and is an expert in that area,with lil knowledge in diagnosis,nursing etc,s
the lab is also an expert,so is the nurse, then how can doctor be doing his main work,and at this time claim the one of lab scientist and nurses, and pharmacist,while they are there as expert, the
lil knowledge one profession has about the other profession does not make better than them,buh was only ment as an alternative should d concern professioj not be available,so my doctor friends needs to learn this,it is very simple.Every profession must be allowed to exist without bullying and threats from other professions[/quote]Don't spread false information.
The third MB exam is Pharmacology and Pathology which includes laboratory postings in all the essential laboratory medicine.
There is also a residency programme in Medical microbiology, Chemical Pathology, Histopathology, Haematology which are the core of Laboratory Medicine.
There is also residency in Therapeutics and clinical pharmacology.
I don't understand what you gain by misinforming the public.

omonnakoda: In service training is normal thing for all workers? What a ridiculous statement!! what is residency Please tell us
Residency is a training programme from A-Z,essentially an apprenticeship NOT a job. It is a training post on a FIXED TERM contract whose objective is to achieve a further qualification. Those residents at Igbobi will no get that experience anywhere else.This is done at great expense to the employer already incomparable to anyone else in government but the doctors are asking for more. There is no way one can compare training received in a training position to training given to workers doing their job. There is no comparison. Imagine an accounting trainee asking his boss to pay for ICAN for him is it not "vunny"??

The residents are JUST LIKE STUDENTS doing a degree THEY ARE NOT workers and only a tiny number of residents end up working for government.As things are government is already paying for most of their training
If government has money to equip hospitals for complex cases fine.But dealing with malaria and typhoid are a greater prioririty when resources are scarce as is the case in Nigeria.
NNPC workers are NOT government employees. Doctors earn more than other government employees including soldiers and judges

Why do you come to a public forum to disseminate lies.
Resident doctors do the bulk of the work in any teaching hospital worldwide.
Why then does a hospital get grounded when they go on strike if they are just spectators.
A senior registrar can run a unit in the absence of the consultant.
Do you wish for a matron to earn higher than a consultant neurosurgeon?
I really don't get your frustration here.

IYA NGBALI: what do you mean by low quality crowd?is your entire generation better than them?empty veSsel makes the loudest noise,go get a life,you are not in anyway beter than any of those people,stop hating.

Iyaa relax now.
Na so e pain u reach, person no fit play again.

[quote author=One_Naira]i didn't want to comment on this thread but na insult bu dis one. mschewww see this one comparing Asaba to Ibadan. Wetin person no go see on this forum? na which kain insult wey person no go see? Not only are una insulting enugu with daring to compare am to Ibadan of all places, now this one wan drag Asaba into the comparison. na,insult. Ibadan people know your level. know your level ooo. chei, Asaba we don suffer. Ibadan of all places, dirty, disgustin, city wey look like village ibadan, having mouth to compare to ..... eeh insult, insult. we no blame you. we blame shoprite for giving una malls wey una pack am full like una no see mall before. I no blame. tcch tcch the audacity[/quote]Lol!

Gbawe: Indeed. This model is very important as a way of delivering localised healthcare that is adequate. I think LGA administrators must especially key into the need to create awareness about these centres.

Just hope he doesn't wake up one morning from Tinubu's phone call and sack all doctors.
Good development though.
I also need commendation for brushing my teeth and taking my bath this morning.

CyberG: Why are you people so STOOPID for goodness sake? First and foremost, I can tell you VERY CONFIDENTLY that EVERY Yoruba South Westerner is PROUD of their heritage, history and every aspect of their culture, race, etc. You being an ibo man got no clue at all about what you are pretending to speak about. Now, your second point is even far beyond STOOPID when you assert that a SW state is wasting time over Lagos! Are you so small and hare-brained that you don't know that states are created for administrative and government purposes? If the entire land mass of the SW were divided into 100 states for administrative purposes, EVERY last square cm will be defended to the death until ALL greedy soldiers (MOSTLY IBOS) are completely destroyed! Since you are too dense, I will give you and your lot some education:

During the ill-conceived Biafra War, Ojukwu had his sights on Lagos, a bonafide and 100% Yoruba land and heritage! He claimed to be fighting the northerners but a land grab charted the course of his army to Sokoto (the seat of the Caliphate) to pass through Lagos. What happened? At the borders of Ore, LOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGG before he got anywhere near to Lagos, his ARMY was brutally crushed! Credit to the Nigerian Army from every other part of Nigeria but in that Army were soldiers from every Yoruba state, not counting Lagos and they defended it from the front until the last man of the aggressors were utterly destroyed! General of the Nigerian Army Benjamin Adekunle, Commander, 3 Marine Commando is from Ogbomosho, did you read the legends of the conquest of the biafran and ibo armies? How about General of the Nigerian Army, Olusegun Obasanjo from Owu in Ogun State, what did he do? He made sure that he paraded the left overs of the biafran rebellion as surrendered soldiers right before the world. Did he have to be from Lagos?

Oh, how about Premier of the Westerm Region, Aare Ona Kakanfo (The War General), Chief Obafemi Awolowo, from Ikenne in Ogun State? Do you know the stuff of legend Chief Awolowo orchestrated virtually plotting the strategies in concert with other military commanders so much so that ibos are still mad well over 40 years and possibly the next 4,000 years for the large scale defeat?? The Aare Ona Kakanfo is a title that goes back well over 700 years, to indicate for how long the Yorubas have been tactical and superior war machines. There are millions of people I possibly could never know who will defend every square cm of the Yoruba lands of their ancestors to the death until every invader is destroyed! By the same token, just as marauders were trying to enter through Ore, thousands of soldiers who are Lagosians were in the ranks of the armies who utterly smote biafra at Ore! The point is use your sense before you open your mouth to spew putrid nonsense!

Again to correct you, there is nothing of note in Enugu! I have been there myself! I lived in Iboland at a time. I am sure Ibadan are proud of those brown roofs which were already covering those houses before your grandfathers were found in iboland. This is the truth, and I am not being tribalistic but you leave me no choice than to tell you the naked truth if you can't figure it out. At the time they were building those houses, ibos lived in the naked forests, wearing no clothes or leaves tied around their waist to cover their private parts only. Up till today, them men still tie a wrapper around their waists like women. There is no question, every Yoruba in any part of South West Nigeria will more than happily be comforted that it doesn't matter whether he is 'officially' from Lagos or Ekiti, even when he is not there, his brothers as far as Ilorin or at the borders of Ondo State will defend their lands to the last man! This is something your people (ibos) have NEVER done since God created the earth! Think about it.

What has all this got to do with the low quality crowd at suprait?

kingsolve: Wow, great crowd indeed.

According to Ogbeche the crowd is of low 'quality'.

rodeo0070: Going to Shoprite Ibadan...

Falls off amala mound .....

gidiMonsta: Not as dangerous as people think. Anacondas are very gentle snakes despite their humongous size and they very rarely attack humans underwater (or anywhere for that matter).

Thank you for being informed.
I think the snake even looks cuddly.

[quote author=on a good day]do your work and allow others do their...chikina[/quote]How is asking for training facilities and funding preventing others from doing their work?

omonnakoda: University education was free when Abacha was in power what are you talking about
I asked you when tuition was introduced and you are just dodging.You need to learn some humility and broaden your knowledge.Avoid arguing what you know nothing about
You are also dishonest changing your post which is expected from the Nigerian doctor of today

Even now that there are tuition fees it is SUBSIDIZED. How much were the fees at LASU before the recent increase

Are u accusing me of changing posts cause u just did that.
I clearly explained to u that the doctors that were sponsored by the govt are in Nigeria.
Then, when a doctor graduated he was given a car and apartment.
Why would he want to leave?
I remember i paid my tuition so i don't know what u are arguing about.
I also know that doctors do a mandatory internship and youth service before they get there registration.
What exactly is your problem with doctors?

omonnakoda: Please tell us who paid? When was tuition introduced in Nigerian Universities
Teaching hospitals paid for specific electives e.g radiotherapy and Neurosurgery,ophthalmology across Nigeria in the 80s and 90s.

I can assure you those neurosurgeons, radiotherapists etc are the few that are in the country training others because they feel obliged to do so.
Imagine if the govt hadn't taken initiative.
There are emerging fields in medicine daily and we are speaking out for the govt to key in and sponsor doctors to get trained and to equip hospitals for better training and you disagree where do you stand?

omonnakoda: Please tell us who paid? When was tuition introduced in Nigerian Universities

Parents.
Those who benefited from free education are the older profs and most are in the country training others.
I meant to say undergrad electives.
Even many residents sponsor themselves on electives.

omonnakoda: And their undergraduate training was paid for by the UK?No it was freein almost all cases and there are some who were sent on elective training as part of residency in the 90s who absconded so educate yourself not me

Undergraduate training was NOT paid by the govt.
Elective training (undergrad)IS NOT paid by the govt.
It is the individual that pays FULLY for this so NO obligation whatsoever is owed to the govt.
Get your facts right and stop spreading fallacy.

omonnakoda: There are different models in different countries.Government does not have to intervene particularly in a capitalist country where doctors can complete their training and elope. What return has Nigeria got on the 1000s of doctors it trained who are now in the US and UK
In the US Nurses earn MORE than interns,
You can take a loan to further your training

Now that you seem to be amenable to education let me inform you further.
Nigerian doctors you find in the UK, US are those who did their residency training programme there. Thus they owe the Nigerian govt no obligation whatsoever. In any case if they decide to return it is for humanitarian purposes as the govt cannot afford to pay them a quarter of their earnings in the US where they trained.
Remember i said that resident doctors who are sent for overseas training are often required to sign a bond and you called me a liar. Well here it comes up again.
If i take a loan to further my training wont i need to pay it back? Pls refer to my former post on why this is not the best option.

omonnakoda: That is true for motor mechanics and other apprentices .In life everyone makes sacrifices.The issue is why should government pay for your education which they subsidize anyway

Open your ears and listen.

eaglechild: You further expose your absolute ignorance on residency training programme with each post.
How will a radiology resident receive training on MRI spectroscopy or aspects of interventional radiology when no centre in Nigeria offers such?
How can he afford such a training without govt intervention?
When he completes his training how will he practise if such facilities are not available?
Yet people like you yell that govt officials squander our tax on receiving treatment abroad, but will NOT subscribe to funding for training of doctors?
That sounds like bigotry and witchcraft.

Another example.
A training in laparoscopic procedures may take months to years and in many cases are available only to institutions rather than individuals. Costs for individuals are often more expensive we are talking thousands of dollars.
Now, if i take a bank loan and get this training and take another bank loan and procure equipment to enable me practise. What i'll simply do is to cater for only clients who can afford the services because i have to pay back the loans. How will i have helped the common man? Don't you get it that when it come to training of doctors and facilities the govt just has to intervene. It is a global phenomenon.

omonnakoda: That is the radiology resident's personal problem not the government's. Does the government pay for pilot's to better themselves. Your thinking is one of "entitlement" like a petulant teenager . How is a software engineer,Engineer,caterer supposed to get his training etc HIS PROBLEM !! to be paid for by HIM

Surely you are just having fun. I sincerely hope that you did not mean what you just typed.
It is now His personal problem to get trained. However, when he demands better facilities and even better pay, you start quoting the Hippocratic oath for him and you'll be the first to remind him that he is running a humanitarian organization.

gmyguy: i think he is a witch doctor, he said he went to med school before i was born. why would a 50+ year old open a thread to curse his antagonists?!

ROTFLMAO!
Didn't know i was talking with someone who needed a psych evaluation

omonnakoda: Can you cut the bullcrap . Who said it is about paying the residents.The resident extracted a commitment for funding for overseas training the last time they went on strike. The other thing is paying for courses and exams. Nothing to do with buying defibrillators which by the way are not used only by doctors. Why don't other professionals go on strike when equipment are unavailable or is it only doctors that train with equipment.Pleaseeeeeee.
No one is forcing you to be a doctor for the government.If you do not like it leave!!.
By the way this unfortunate Nigerian way of attacking personality is funny.We have a difference of opinion and you believe I don't know what I am on about ; demonstrate it rather than yell childishly.

You further expose your absolute ignorance on residency training programme with each post.
How will a radiology resident receive training on MRI spectroscopy or aspects of interventional radiology when no centre in Nigeria offers such?
How can he afford such a training without govt intervention?
When he completes his training how will he practise if such facilities are not available?
Yet people like you yell that govt officials squander our tax on receiving treatment abroad, but will NOT subscribe to funding for training of doctors?
That sounds like bigotry and witchcraft.