₦airaland Forum

LAGrejectIBO:
This is not the first time or second time but numerous times that Ibo leaders under the apex socio cultural group Ohanaeze has insulted and denigrated our cherished institutions. Insulting an Oba tops it! After our Oba the next authority is our Orishas. We will not wait for you to insult them. We thetefore are putting restrictions on you to blockade your pride in Yorubaland. We have heard you, going forward you will feel us.

Your Oba made a genocidal speech and deserves all that is coming to him.

We do no want a genocide in Nigeria induced by an Oba that cannot bridle his tongue.

Awoofawo:
You are wrong based on the context you throw your point.

First only Lagos Island used to be federal capital, not the mainland. The movement of the capital to abuja automatically reverse lagos island back to its former status just like in the case of calabar and lokoja.

Let them move the capital to onitsha today, will you people allow other tribes to do half of what you are doing now or you will go and drag Abuja with the true native...?

What exactly are you allowing us to do in our country.

Caracta:
Lagos natives didn't do that either. A traditional ruler did and his action has been condemned several times. Since when did one person represent an entire tribe or ethnic group? Even if he was a representative, a public and humble apology has been made by both individuals and political figures.

We have apologized for what another person said. Not once, not twice. Do we really need to go on and on over this matter? For how long?

Personally, I don't expect Igbos to be moved by threats.

Can we just move one already and stop this Lagos-ownership baseless debate?

If the Oba of Lagos the paramount traditional ruler of Lagos does not represent a people then who does?

Yes he is human and can err, but since he is human, he should also be able to apologize.

For his subjects to now throw their weight behind him and say that he is above apology then they also share in his short comings.

abu12:
A yoruba people shld not attack igbo people physically, but the oba of lagos and lagos state govt shld b strict on tax collection and increase their tax rate. Stop all illegal trading they are involved in, then they won't interfere in ur state issue or insult ur oba no matter what he has done. For ifeanyi and others like him shld not be giving any opportunity or contract from lagos govt.

Get an education.
Tax collection is the duty of the government.

netmillionaires:
Nobody is acting funny instead the hosted are.
I am glad u mentioned the issue of having families abroad. Assuming someone is my family abroad, will he try nonsense with a common immigration officer let alone a Mayor? If someone abroad became a threat to his host, will he not be deported? Let a Nigerian go to USA and start making mouth just because he has business in the US and enrich d US economy and see what happens. When authority in US talk, he better shut up or risk deportation. 1st rule of Power: don't abuse ur host.
Hatred and anger kills slowly.
I don't know who and who were sent back to their land by Fashola. But it is the reason why they are now working against the government believing that's the only way to vent their anger. Lagosians are OK with their government. Imagine someone come from the east and appoint a govt for lagosians, and the govt then went ahead to destroy lagos. Who will bear the consequences? Lagosians of course. The Easterners will sure relocate back to their land and leave the yorubas to bear d impact of what they caused. The yorubas want to determine who governs them. Is it too much to ask for?. If I am in d USA and didn't like their terms, it is either I stay and eat their crumbs or I leave and go back to my country. It is not a must. Boasting that I am one of the people who help to develop their land and that they can't survive without me will only make them to want to prove me wrong.. I am tired of having talks like this because there is no way one can tackle this without sounding like an ethnic bigot.

Do you need a Visa to go to the U.S.?

Does an Igbo man need a Visa to go to Lagos?

Do you now see how lame your epistle is?

Caracta:
Pls don't compare Abuja with Lagos.

Let's cut the chase. Do you agree that Lagos has owners or belongs to some group of persons or group?

Btw, Abuja belongs to some set of people originally. Making it a Federal Capital doesn't take away the rightful ownership but just a bigger responsibility and National management.

Pls answer my question. Thank you.

That is exactly the point.

You do not see Abuja natives coming out to threaten residents to vote a particular candidate or get their heads smashed against Aso rock.

Masterkolade:
all am saying is that the igbos are getting way too sentimental on this issue they should let it go and people should move on. I also think JK went too far

Did you mean to say that the Oba went too far?

I do not recall JK wishing anyone death for not voting for him.

netmillionaires:
b4 u lash out at the Oba, I will ask U to ponder on some few lines...

During Agbaje campaign, Agbaje promised to elevate the Ndigbo to the level of the Oba of Lagos... It is the same thing as saying I will take over ur monarchy in ur own land and nothing U can do. What ll U do if u are the Oba?

JK said the Igbos will soon become the deputy governor and later governor and finally rule over lagos. Will any Igbo accept a yoruba to even campaign for councillor in Igbo land let alone governor?

U allow someone to come reside with U in lagos and then they gang up and open their mouth to tell U that lagos is a no-man's land. Haba!
I don't have to go on and on. Lagosians are angry. A common yoruba man will get angry let alone an Oba whose throne is been threatened... Ndigbo even made the mistake of going to his palace. To do what? It is a big insult. That gave him the chance to vent his anger and frustration. One thing I like about yorubas is that they are very accommodating but ***

You allow..... someone to reside in Lagos you say.

On what basis are you making that allowance?

On the basis that Lagos is not in Nigeria and has not been the capital till the recent past.

On the basis that I require a Visa to go to Lagos as a foreigner?

On the basis that when one gets to Lagos he is accorded free shelter, food and clothing?

Please tell me the basis of allowance.

It is this phantom basis of "allowance " that your Oba has latched unto to make his despicable statements.

Please liberate your mind.

bakynes:
Igbos in Lagos state you don't have to be scared we are peaceful people just watch your utterances towards the Yorubas on their lands. As for the Oba we totally condemn what he said but in Yoruba land Oba cannot apologize to no one, someone from the palace and our leaders have come out to apologize on his behalf so accept it don't take this matter too far.
But this is a call to all Yorubas, we need to drop our liberal behaviour, and keep our rship with other ethnic groups at arms length especially the igbos, until they reciprocate what we are doing for them here before we allow them freedom here as well.
I just heard on the a program on radio Gov. Rabiu Kwankwanso of Kano has a Yoruba man has commissioner in his cabinet. Until igbos start reciprocating this gesture to other tribes, we have to keep them at arms length and be careful of how we relate with them.

You say the Oba CAN NEVER apologize.
That it is a taboo.

Well I respect your culture, unfortunately that is not an excuse. Not in 2015.

Every tribe has harmful cultural practices that must be done away with.
Giving birth to twins was a taboo in Igbo land.
Burying the king with human heads was a practice amongst some tribes.

No one is infallible under a constitutional democracy.

You cannot wish millions of people death then hide under cultural infallibility.

siegfried99:
Hmmm..in those dark ages, yes

But not in this new century, it cannot happen. Believe me.

That generation still has some people alive.

And we are talking about 70 years ago not a millennia.
In a supposedly advanced Europe.

timunstopable:
Last time I checked asari dokubo is yet to apologise

Patience Faka Jonathan yet to apologise


now wait for this one

2013 Obi of Onistha cursed Apc, Chris Ngige he is yet to apologise

look at the comment of my fellow ibo brother on the Curse by Obi Of Onitsha ."Obi can't do any wrong cant apologise" so even in ur custom obis dont apologise

Did the Obi of Onitsha wish death on anyone?

Or are you hinging your argument on a side comment by a nonentity.

Your link does NOT show the Obi wishing anyone death in anyway so why do you bring this up to save face.


Accept that the Oba of Lagos is a disgrace and should be reprimanded and stop trying to paint another person evil to atone for his sins.

siegfried99:
Tell'em

I believe it's an issue of not knowing ur boundaries.

I'm not in support of what the Oba said but u cannot expect an apology from a king, other ppl have done that for him.

So let's live in peace, I cannot count the number of friends I have from other. Tribes.. I see all as Nigerians

#SayNoToTribalism

Our igbo brothers be not afraid our kings threat shall not come to manifestation.

I am sorry but history has it that genocides have been started with much less provocative statements by even less influential people.

" I ask nothing of the Jews except that
they should disappear. ”
—Hans Frank, Nazi governor for occupied Poland.

Well some months after and over the course of 3-4years 1 million Jews disappeared in Poland and over 6 million disappeared across Europe.

masseratti:
that is a big lie,the difference is as clear as 7up vs coca cola,

A Niger deltan will always do everything necessary to make sure u are aware that he is not Igbo,they are mostly humble and easy going,an Igbo man is much more noticed and business minded.

But this man calling himself the head of Ohaneze in Amino odofin,this are the people fueling this issue,the palace of the Oba has spoken that the statement was misconstrued and you are still demanding for a documentary, we didn't destroy your property during the war,is it because of Elections we would now destroy it?never has Igbos being attacked in lagos so why now?

Asking or demanding for apologies from the Oba which is a taboo in yoruba land,will never work because rather for the Oba to apologise they will rather commit suicide.

I thought you were from Niger delta then all of a sudden you start talking "we not destroying property".

You need not hide behind Niger delta when it is very obvious where you are from.

osikiabu:
Honestly speaking i felt really bad seeing the way the igbos were dragging lagos state with their hosts who has given them everything. I just pray that the yorubas will find a place in their heart to forgive them for the sake of peace and the love of God. And hope the igbos have learnt their leasons. Without any fear or favour I make bold to say that the yorubas are one of the best and most tolerant ethnic group in nigeria.

Did you also feel bad about these words by the traditional ruler of Lagos to the Igbos who came to pay him a courtesy visit.

"On Saturday, if anyone of YOU, I SWEAR IN THE NAME OF GOD, goes against my wish that Ambode will be the next governor of Lagos state, THE PERSON IS GOING TO DIE inside this water. I am not ready to beg you".

sweetgala:
Given what folks like Asari Dokubo , Obi of Onitsha , Boyoaf , Tompolo and Edwin Clark have spent the last 1 year threatening on behalf of Jonathan. These idiots did nor think of starting wahala

ICC ko JCC ni , the case would be dismissed rather quickly, even if abgaje wins do you think even he can look the king in the eyes. I'm sure he doesn't want his wife to become a widow.

Abeg drop this matter I'm sure the oba has learned

What did Obi of Onitsha say?

Did he threaten genocide on any tribe?

Stop feeding your brain with baseless hearsay.
The Obi of Onitsha is an erudite emeritus professor not some ragtag tout like Akiolu.


The Oba of Lagos is a despicable disgrace to the throne he occupies.

Ralphlauren:
How many kings in the north cautioned or stopped their subjects when they were killing the Ibos in the north? How many kings in the north have apologised over the death of numerous Ibo men, women and children killed by their subjects?

Imagine that their crime was keeping mute at evil. Then compare that with encouraging genocide publicly.

theAtheist101:
Who is god?

Is it god that would file the law suit? Or is ICC the quarters of god? All I can see man runs anything god. Why is that?

Don't be paranoid, no one is harming anyone. The oba erred and they have told you "pele". Still you want to be forming victim. The man talked and una don talk back, so sefini -- case settled.

One has every reason to be paranoid since genocides have been started on less flimsy statements by less influential people who remained obstinate.

Ilekeh:
Yorubas are neither filled with Love or hate. They are strategic.
They choose sides for their self-interest. They act for their self-interest
Yorubas were not filled with hate when they harbored Igbos and kept them safe their the Biafran war. Remeber how you came from the North down to the West?
Were Yorubas filled with hate when they welcomed you to their land after the Biafran war?
Were Yorubas filled with hate when they gave you high positions in Yorubaland?

How quick you forget.

Yourubas harboured Igbos during the Biafran war?

Please which war are you talking about?

The one that every light skinned person in Lagos was discriminated against on the assumption of being Igbo even before it started.

Igbos returned to all parts of the country after the war and started afresh. From Kano to Kaduna, Lagos to Potiskum

Did Yorubas give out free land or food or shelter to them?

They started from scratch with nothing and diligently worked their way up and it has nothing to do with Yoruba love.

Ilekeh:
Igbos voted OBJ, not for Yorubas, but to satiate their hatred for anything North. Ibos hate North more than they hate Yorubas.

Yorubas love Igbos that is why they keep telling them that they are a defeated tribe and can never be president. That is why their Oba said they will perish in the lagoon.

Yorubas love Hausas that is why they keep calling them illiterates.

Yorubas love Ijaws that is why they keep calling Jonathan a clueless Otuoke fisherman from the abandoned land of fishermen.

Yoruba love Ibibios and Anangs that is why they keep calling them house boys

Yorubas love themselves so much that is why they keep assassinating one another politically, Bola Ige was killed out of love.

Yorubas are filled with love.

theAtheist101:
So kings don't make mistakes that cannot be corrected? What he said is wrong and his subjects have apologized on his behalf. He wouldn't never apologise even if the sun was to consume the earth. Just live with it.

Only God is above apology.

The last time I checked Oba is not God.

If you claim he is above apology then you are awarding him the status of God.
He may be your god but he is not mine.
He will continue to receive condemnation and law suits and will eventually end up at ICC if he refuses to do the needful.

Luckily he may not be as heady as some of his followers.

Origin:
I just recently watched Chinamanda's film and was so moved that I researched the Biafran war. This finally took me to the origin of the matter - the first Nigeria coup.
Chinamanda is obviously biased and may be prejudiced by her people's ordeal during the war but she did not fully represent the matter in its true light in her movie.
Please feel free to research this.
I feel the Oba said a prayer which I say regularly " the people who do not want me to succeed will not succeed". Any inconvenience is deeply regretted.

You feel that the Oba said a prayer........ in his"prayer" he said that if the Igbos do not vote for Ambode they will perish in the lagoon.

What kind of prayer is that?

theAtheist101:
Yes, igbos would live in Lagos, but do you think it would be like before?

Virtually everyone has castigated him for his statement, myself inclusive, and you guys over flogging the issue is responsible for the feud. Some Igbos are expanding the insult from the king to his tribe or one political party. The man talked for himself, not anyone or group.

Finally, no one is indispensable.

That is the point you are missing.
As an Oba he is a king and and a representative of his people.

He is no ordinary citizen and his words and action are weighty and cannot be equated to that of other citizens.

His seat is traditional and thus representative of his tribe or clan. That is why there is an outcry in the first place. If his words were said by some political tout on the street or online (worse has been said on nairaland) no one will even notice.

futprintz:
it's rather unfortunate n appalling dat an Oba culdnt have envisaged de ramifications of de words dat proceed frm his mouth, atleast by virtue of his occupation of dat exalted stool. the Yoruba nation hav no right watsoever to blame the Igbos for their reactions or to dictate to them how to react in de face of such unwarranted n witless threat! One wuld expect dat they atleast show their acclaimed enlightenment n civility by holding Oba Akiolu responsible for his careless utterance and duely punish him for such unbecoming behaviour n for bringing such infamy, shame n disgrace to the sanctity of de stool by unsitting him! BTW,wat bizness has an Oba with mingling so deep in politics?!!! nigerians shuld learn to hold ppl responsible for their actions! Oba or no Oba NONSENSE!!!!! RUBBISH!!!!! dat's wat i expected of dis Oodua of a ppl...nt coming here to reel out jaundiced history dat no one really cares abt

On point

Is Lie Mohammed disrespecting the Oba?

Hausa are becoming ungrateful visitors.

bomijuwon:
This Igbo people will not learn. I warn that this issue should tread softly. This was how many northern/Igbo mayhem starts. The Surdana Sokoto said it. The Igbo likes to migrate but will want to dominate their host communities interest.

You sound insecure.

What exactly is this "domination" you speak of?

Sanchez01:
Please don't get me wrong. When things happen and I don't feel it directly, I try to imagine myself in the "feeler's" shoes. I bear no ill will against anyone just that bigotry sickens me. I still believe the movie was never needed still.

I disagree with you.
History must never be swept under the carpet.
Half of a yellow sun was necessary.
It is a reminder for those at present and in the future that they should never tow a certain part.

Over 6 million Jews died in the holocaust and their story has been told countless times and will continue to be told no matter how bitter it is to the Jews or how it demonizes the Germans.

It is unfortunate that today an Oba is making similar statements to that the Nazi made.

Sanchez01:
He should have apologized. I'm no Yoruba and I don't know IF their culture permits an Oba to do so. Regardless, people have disassociated themselves from him. Even a press release was released claiming the "Lagoon" mention was only an adage. We all know this is false but we shouldn't prolong this issue further.

One cannot hide behind cultural practices to commit atrocities.

If not killing of twins, FGCutting etc would perfectly legal.

You cannot hide behind the stool of Obaship to utter genocidal statements and then expect the law not to apply to you.

Statements from coming from a traditional ruler who is a custodian of the people's culture MUST be guarded at all times.

Similar and in fact less inciting statements have led to genocide in the past.

The Oba is yet to tender an unreserved apology, he is the one responsible for his actions.

Sanchez01:
I religiously followed Chinua Achebe was a man I saw as the broken link between the Igbos and other ethnic tribes. I revered him and his works not until he wrote "There was a country". The so-called autobiography was uncalled for as it described what Achebe had nursed over the years. I saw him as someone who cared less about critics and only wanted to write to finally lay claims that he has not forgotten the struggle of his people. I could remember Wole Soyinka said the book was uncalled for as well and it was 'shocking' his good friend could round off his hard work with a disturbing autobiography.

As if that was not enough, Ngozi Chimamanda Adichie wrote "Half of a Yellow Sun" and the movie adaptation clearly revealed that a young lady who was obviously not born during the war managed to write a 'detailed' epistle of the war. I could remember I submitted a review saying "This movie and the book should not have existed". Being a sensitive fellow, I cried at some point in the movie and I thought "how would an Igbo man react to the movie?"

I've never been a fan of Ngozi Chimamanda Adichie and I was obviously not disappointed at the bigot adaptation, rather I blame Chinua Achebe for this. But like Chimamanda started with in this article, we're all born with prejudices. True, we might be born with them but we should be able to live above it. If people around Chimamanda cannot make her forget or shove aside the words of a disgruntled Oba, then she should take to the streets with whoever to protest. We're way past this issue. NCA is relevant and is already a giant in the literature sphere but thinking this piece would make her more relevant is saying black when an object is obviously white.

Shove aside the words of a disgruntled Oba indeed.

How about an unreserved apology for trying to incite genocide.

Ymodulus:
I think I will start by trying to be Anthropomorphic, as it will bet express my heading.
Its really sad when insanity realizes that he has a mental disorder then he is as good as cured. The moment a people come to terms with their complex problem which often place them at loggerheads with their host communities the better for them.

I seem not to fathom how a tribe claim to have suffered humiliations and deprivation from other ethnic nationalities. This allegation should be consider very weighty even though it was not substantiated. Nonetheless, this aggrieved ethnic nationality needs to ask herself what is about it that could be responsible for the purported hostile acts of other ethnic nationalities toward it.

One problem I have with Chimanda is all her articles tends to quote Chinua Achebe, even when its evident chinua actions are wrong. The sane mistake she made, about his book "there was a country". Now she is trying to say that the Igbo's were murdered in early 1960's for political reasons? Who started the war? Was it the Nigerian Arny or The late Ojukwu ? I see Chimabda is biased. And she is just a staunt re-echoer of Chinua Achebe's belief.


I liked the fact that she related the massacre of the Ibos in different parts of the country before the civil war. However what I do like to ask her is this,

1. chimanda was there nothing that led to the massacre?

You can't deny that the tendency to dominate in another man's land which is being exhibited now by taking the Oba to court is what led to such. Tell me when you come back from court if the people of Lagos will still have a good relationship with the Ibos.


Chimanda while trying to play a neutral ground at the surface, is been biased deep down. I am sorry to say but if Chimanda spent her time writing this, she wasted that time. As this just further lowered NY respect for her as an internationally recognised writer. Novel is her thing not politics.

Just imagine how shez is spreading lies about 1960s massacre. Posterity Judge you.

When Chimamanda lashed out against Jonathan's short comings she wasn't biased.
Now she speaks about a horrifying genocidal statement from an Oba she becomes the devil.

Please read the article again and you'll see where she refers to folks like you.