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EzePromoe:
[color=#DC143C]I'm from Omueke Igwuruta in Ikwerre L.G.A. You shouldn't be surprise to see so many proud Igbos because we understand history better. Now imagine how ironic it is for somebody from Ogbakiri, whose ancestor might have been amongst some Kalabari men who came and settled amongst the locals, to tell an Igwuruta man, a direct descendant of Iwhoruoha, that he is not Ikwerre simply because he refused being naive. Some people are not worth replying by the way.[/color]

Yes o! I knew you were from Igwuruta and how did I guess this? My big aunt's husband is from Igwuruta. Omo, I love those folks, they don't joke with their Igbo identity.

OfoIgbo:
So Tonyebarcanista has brought his landgrabbing plans to Akwa Ibom. Make una no gree. He tried unsuccessfully to annex Egbema in Imo and Rivers states, Ndoki, Bonny, Opobo

His madness stops in Ikwerreland, that we know for sure. I laugh at his folly in trying to add up my community in his expansionist grab.

Who doesnt know the Ijaw expansionist agenda.

EzePromoe:
[color=#DC143C][b]Well, the Ikwerre society is a pretty complex one. Ikwerre initially starts with nine clans which is believed to be the nine children of Iwhoruoha (progenitor of the Ikwerre people), these are: Obio, Rebisi, Akpor, Igwuruta, Aluu, Isiokpo, Diobu and Emohua. Igwuruta, Aluu, Isiokpo all situated in the present day Ikwerre L.G.A are grouped under Iwhoruoha to portend their direct descent from the progenitor of the Ikwerre nation. Obio and Akpor are two children of Iwhoruoha whose descendants are indigenous to the present day Obio/Akpor LGA. Rebisi and Diobu descendants are indigenous to PH city LGA. Rumuokwurushi and Elimgbu are Evo towns under Obio. Evo is the second son of Obio according to history and he begot other towns such as Iriebe, Elelenwo and so on. Majority of Ikwerre people are familiar with Igbo words except those from the Western hinterlands of Emohua e.g Ndele, Ogbakiri, Rumuji and so on. These clans give the fiercest rebuttal to anything that tries to link them with other Igbo groups. Their reasons are understandable. The Ogbakiri people for example constituted a significant number of Kalabari migrants who mixed up with the locals and formed a community today known as Ogbakiri. Till today, there is still that strong lingering Kalabari influence in the culture. I will stop here for now.[/b][/color]

Ezepromoe always on point. I love the way you clarified the different groupings of the Ikwerre people. So, which part of Ikwerre are you from because you tend to be pan-Igbo in outlook, a big contrast to Hopeathand who hails from Emohua. Are you in anyway an indigene of Ikwerre L.G.A? And if from there, which town precisely.

LadyExcellency:
Have you ever seen the pictures of Onitsha, Enugu, Aba, Umuahia and Owerri before the war?



Hate filled and evil minded bigot like you deserve no response.

Help your curiosity with these few pictures of Onitsha
before the war

Onitsha

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Some tribal bigots are better left alone. Leave that dude to wallow in his blindness.

Abagworo:
My view is that Ikwerre ethnic group is not Igbo. The difference is more of attitude than culture and language. The attitudinal attributes of a typical Igbo is different from that of typical Ikwerre. However the culture/tradition and language is same. The Igbos that think Ikwerre is one of them do so out of innocence but most Ikwerres fueled by postwar conspiracy think its for land grab.

This argument of Ikwerre vs Igbo will continue to come up as its difficult for hinterland Igbos to understand the distinct ethnicity of Ikwerre as Igbos believe that anybody that speaks one form of Igbo or the other is but Igbo.

Most Ikwerres posses such unruly attitude and not all? I remember when growing up as a kid in the streets of Diobu in the early 90's with my Police officer father. There, I discovered a stern attitude amongst the Ikwerres when it comes to their relationship with the hinterland Igbos.
Although, our relationship with them was very cordial that you would think we were Ikwerre too. My uncle, at that time, had no issue buying an hectre of land for his business, because to the Ikwerres we were Rivers indigenes. But many hinterland Igbos could not get lands because of the post-war notion that the Igbos were out to dispossess the Ikwerres of their heritage.
Later Popsy was transferred to Kwara and then Lagos where he retired. But even during our stay in P/H, I remember asking my father while the Ikwerre posses such unruly attitude towards the Igbos, he will correct me by saying 'I dont think it has to do with all Ikwerres, just but a few'. I later discovered that the few he was referring too were clans domicilled in the old P/H city, areas like Phalga, Obiakpor, lower parts of Emohua and lower Ikwerre LGA, of which in the long run many northern Ikwerre towns bought the false notion.
But with each passing day, the viel is gradually falling off their eyes. If it was 80% before in the 70s you now have a reduction to less than 20%.

Abagworo:
Should we unveil the history of each and every one of the communities in Emohua? Please I hate distortion.

I saw where you wrote "whi'a" and "fi'a" as "come" instead of "come out". In central Igbo it is "puta" but in Imo State dialects spoken around Owerri and Ohaji it is "fu'a" or "whi'a".

Ikwerre ethnic group might not be Igbo but Ikwerre language is unarguably a version of Igbo language sharing affirnity with other Southern Igbo languages in Imo and Abia States.

Abagworo my boss. You came at the right time. Both Abagworo (maternal) and Hopeathand at brothers so I think this is just a family discussion.

nextdoor84:
I am from Odiemerenyi town in Ahoada east LGA..
I don't join issues with useless folks on this forum.
my uncles fought on the biafran side gallantly and have never regretted their actions till this day..

so knowing where my loyalty lies does not necessarily mean I am Igbo
still yet according to our folklore we were told we migrated from somewhere in the hinterland while others believe they migrated from bini...hope you are cleared now..shalom

Let me believe you.

HopeAtHand:
Number one reason is the history of those communities. And also Proximity to mainstream Igboland. The Okpo Wagidi history has its connections with Igboland.

In speaking for Ikwerre, im speaking for the communities of Emohua LGA which are the direct descendants of Iwhronha, the son of Akalaka. We dont have any historical ties with Igboland.

Another good clarification.

HopeAtHand:
Regardless of the clan, you are able to understand what any Ikwerre is saying. Just a lil substitution of words Eg Evo clan refers to land as eli while Akpor calls land ali

Rebisi calls money ewai, Ndele refers to it as awai and Ibaa calls it iwai

come is called bia in PH, fiya when you get to obelle whiya in Emohua.

All in all, they are the same thing. Ideally Etche is supposed to be Ikwerre but the language is too Igbotic to qualify as pure Ikwerre while Ekpeye is an older language to Ikwerre and have some Ikwerre clans with historical links to Ekpeye language eg being Ibaa and Obelle.

cc: Eastlink.

Wonderful explanation. The same with us, we call land 'ali'.
So why do you see Etche dialect as too Igbotic? What about folks from Elele, Igirinta and Isiokpo? For instance, a new south-east visitor in those Ikwerre towns may qualify them as Igbo speaking because of dialectic similarity. Why do you think they communicate well with the Igbos than other Ikwerre towns. Maritally and in so many aspect?
Abagworo is maternally Ikwerre and can be helpful here too.

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AlPeter:
So now it's about the South East and the Igbos in South South are no longer Ibo?

Daft read before you comment.

joeprince23:
now this is where your confusion is! Ikwerre is not a single community or dialect (not every ikwerre can easily understand each other) it depends on ur locality. FACT: 1.southern ikwerre like phalga and parts of emohua do not easily understant northen ikwerre eg. Elele in ikwerre LG 2.iriebe in obio/akpor actually have same dialect as umosoya in obigbo(oyigbo LG) they are negbouring communities 3. An isiokpo man speaks and understands omuma dialect in imo state and etche dialect in rivers 4.what identifies a man as ikwerre is actually his LGA and not dialect NB: accepted ikwerre LGA's are(4lga's) - PHALGA,obio/akpor (these two make up PH metropolis) emohua(southern ikwerre),ikwere LG(northern ikwere). You can not know if any body in PH is ikwere or not just by dialect (but only by LG identification). Etche LG and omuma LG all in rivers are not not ikwere but have same dialect with isiokpo/elele/ubima

Hopeathand I think should know this. But its quite interesting to see how much you know Ikwerreland even more than many Ikwerres.
Are you Ikwerre by tribe?

Ugomba:
exactly, my man, now our eyes are open that Nigeria is a Tribal game of throne.
If you don't defend ur land, intruders will ride you over.
They will first start tampering with ur history, create confusion and identity crises in you and then finish you off.
" One Of The Greatest Child Abuses is to leave them in Identity Crisis"

On point broda. Nairaland have really taught me so many lessons. With the strong fort have built in this forum no one dare talk ill about my area. Cos am ready to whip any motherfucker that runs his mouth about my ethnicity.
Proudly Egbema,
Proudly Igbo.

HopeAtHand:
Permanently based in PH. Anytime u ready to visit, im available.

No problem bro. Meka!

Ugomba:
Argument is like Food to some people. LOL.
Happy new year to u.

The same to you Ugomba. I saw your tag after church service. Sorry for not contributing earlier. So have the Mods pushed this thread to the front page? I think we need to call their attention.

Ugomba:
My thread is still flowing.. Keep it coming guys. I want it to reach page 15. LOL

You never see chontin. How are you celebrating your new year?

HopeAtHand:
Hahaha. Meka su wene.

The Ikwerres who like being Igbo should first realise that they aren't any wiser than their ancestors who thought it right that Ikwerre stand alone as a separate entity. Our ancestors ensured such recognition is enshrined in the constitution of the land. It is a legal matter.

The lagacy of our ancestors should be defended by us and not ridiculed by those Ikwerres with affiliations with Igboland. So anytime i see them making a mess of themselves anywhere, i whip them into line. Being Igbo isnt bad, Igbos are great Achievers, but we Ikwerres should find our feet first before we risk anything. The timing has to be perfect.

Happy 2016 to you.

Loud Laugh to that Wene. So do you stay in P/H? Lagos na my domain o. Maybe when I come home one of these days we go siddon one place with some bottle of Hero beer.
Happy 2016 bro.

HopeAtHand:
He has vanished into thin air.


One guy claimed to come from Isiokpo in this thread. When i called him out so we can interact in Ikwerre, he also vanished.

Clowns everywhere!!!

Hopeathand nwo Emohua. I can see you smiling there. My enemifriend no 1 in this forum. Happy new year! One thing I have come to learn from you is that you never give up. I was the first guy that called you an imposter on nairaland. But overtime your doggedness and the way you flaunt your Ikwerre dialect usually supports your claim.
My only grieviance with you is not that you want a separate identity for yourself, but that you always kick against other Ikwerre sons who identify as Igbo. Honestly, it interest me to see the face beneath that Hopeathand moniker. Maybe to give him a drink or an uppercut . So what is your native name again wene madu?

MrAnalyst:
Not everyone is active like you o,Eastlink.

Ok o. But am not active o biko. I hardly come online these days. Man needs to do other things for himself. Inshort work hardly give me time for o`gwu nairaland.

I thought Mr Nextdoor guy was asked a simple question about his Ekpeye community. Where went he? Just question and he was no where to be found. Haha! I'm beginning to think that guy is from the South-East.

anticabal1:
Who we go ask?

He is a vocal Ijaw, definately not from Rivers state, maybe Delta or Bayelsa.

nextdoor84:
Hopeathand or whatever you seem to call yourself. .please speak for your Ikwerre self and not dabble into what so ever that concern the Ekpeye nation..
I am a bona fide Ekpeye man and I know where my loyalty lies..
Thanks!!!

Inasmuch as I don't like dabbling into Ikwerre issue, the same applies to Ekpeye. Ekpeye's don't deny their Igboid connection, but they hardly call themselves Igbo. At most you hear them say Ekpeye or Ahoada. If there is one people that love the Igbo in the Niger-Delta, fought and suffered with them in the Biafran war and would even sale lands to them, then you should look towards Ndi Ahoada.
They bear Igbo names, wear similar attires and have similar culture, yet their language seems different in many aspect from other dialects of Igbo. Even different from the harsh one spoken in Ebonyi.
Unlike the Ikwerres, Ogba and other denials they deserve the tag Igboid. The Igbos should respect the Ekpeyes. However, you are the first Ekpeye man, I have seen come out openly to claim Igbo. let me ask you a question and dont be offended. Where in Ekpeyeland are you from, your LGA, community and village.

anticabal1:
So you are now ijaw, you had to to wait for Igbo and Ijaws to disagree here because of Biafra before you jumped on the 'ijaw side" and declared yourself an ijaw but before then if you are asked the name of your village, you'll claim South south. Stupid liar who can't keep record of his lies.

Make una leave Coolscott o. He doesnt lie about his ethnicity. He is a bonafide Ijaw son.

Jesus Christ! How did I miss this thread.
I will never forgive myself today for coming late to the thread. Apologies Ugomba.

@Chiwude, you no go kill me.
But you fail to add my people to the list.
9)Egbema/Ogba/Ndoni - Farming, Palmoil, Trade.

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lordonwils:
I pity for ur deep seated ignorance if u think an ikwerre/Ahoada man or woman will join in ur Biafra nonsense. They're better off with the Ijaws. when that time comes you'll realise who'll laff in the end. Go to ur red mud dry land.[/s]

Shattap Mr man, speak for your people and leave us alone.

TonyeBarcanista:
Niger Delta is very rich. Before crude oil we were rich in palm oil. In fact, we were called Oil Rivers(Rivers, Warri and Bayelsa states) for a reason. We have rich lland for agriculture and our waters were used for fishing. Though our land and waters have been polluted due to oil exploration. We are rich in gas with abundant gas reserve. Whether oil become worthless or not we won't suffer. We will only adjust.


Most importantly, we have access to see and can easily capitalised on it.


@OP cry not for the Niger Delta. We will do just fine!

What made you rich in palm oil. It was on record that bulk of the oil that sustained the Royal Niger Company atcthat time, was gotten from the hinterlands and not some swampy waterways.

Enahi:
Fucking nincompoop, who the hell told you cannibals that you exist in South South.

let the referendum take place and we will check the names and send you idiotss to the East were you belong.
Referendum indeed.

May thunder strike you there you scratch faced LovePeddler. I've been watching you run your mouth amok these past days you dinwit. If you must speak, then let it be about your God forsaking tribe and quit including us into your demonic anti Biafran generalization.
We shall continue to speak for our people,while you do the same for yours. But quit including us into that your shallow S/S republic.

OneNaira6:
[b]

will you shut up if you don't know anything. Massob was very active during GEJ rule. Nnamdi was very active during GEJ rule. Infact Nnamdi condemned all Igbo leaders under GEJ administration. He even accused GEJ of hating Igbo people. GEJ ignored him hence una never knew about him back then but we knew about it. Your GMB decided to engage him and that's how come una knew about it. Hell when BZM tried to take over Enugu government house was during GEJ rule. When Massob was doing their marches was during GEJ rule and when conflicts happened between Massob was during GEJ rule. When Billie was invited by UN for dialogue was yet again during GEJ rule. If you people have zero clue wtf going on, shut the f2k up.

As for Boko haram, why should we fight them? Was it us that told your dimwit government to kill their leader that kept them sane? Was it us that told una to go kill their leader? Was it? Was it us that told una to use Boko Haram as politics and get rid of the only one that was doing pure damage on Boko Haram when they first started. Was it us that told una to get rid of him out una tirbalistic hate for Igbo people in high power. Was it? Why should we assist una to fight something you f2kers started yourselves. Deal with your problem by yourselves[/b].

Spot on.

nwanlecha:
I truly understand where @Goodboiyy is coming from. I think IPOB should not include groups like Itshekiri, Urhobo/Isoko and other Edoid groups in the Biafran map. These groups should not be forced to submit to a referendum, 'cus they do not feel a kinship with us and I totally agree with that. I for one cringe whenever Nnamdi Kanu says that ndị Igbo are one with them.
My humble opinion is that only Igbo groups in SE and SS, as well other willing ethnicities in SS, should be allowed to vote in a referendum for the restoration of Biafra.

This is my argument too. Obiagu dreams is to include everybody that ties two wrapper. That for me is absolute shallowness and not in tune with reality. A referendum is good, but let it be given to people who genuinely want it. Let people be allowed to decide their fate.