₦airaland Forum

zimoni:
I'm with you TonyeBarcanista.

It's good to have this discussion now than to have another South Sudan in nearest future.

You can't force yourself on people who do no share the same ideology with you.

If Singapore that is not bigger than Bayelsa could exist as a country, what stops Ijaw nation from having their own nation? Must they form a country with Igbo's?

This discussion is important now before it's too late. People are reading and learning.

Every man for himself.

To Your Tent Oh Israel.



And, the emotional ones should stop bashing Tonye. He had to say the truth even though he's partisan.

atbu1983:
ignore them.
they are cry baby who depend on deceit.

i have said it several times.
PDP and APC are Nigeria parties not Niger delta party,
Any Niger Deltan can support PDP or APC.

South south people can disagree on political issues. But when it comes to our ethnic issues we are one. we are not for sale.
if they cant understand you, ignore them completely.

atbu1983:
When I say most nationalities in Niger delta including Ndoki,Ikwerre, ika, Anioma are descended of benin, all these Igbo land grabbers will start making noise. They dont know history.

I summary, there is no Igbo in Niger delta. You only have some nationalities who have interacted with Igbo for a long time and borrow some Igbo culture along the way. That does not make them Igbo.

Today we from edo state from benin understand the following fact and we accept it completely:
Ikwerre is Ikwerre. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Ika is Ika. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Anioma is Anioma. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Esan is Esan. they are no longer Benin.
Ndoki is Ndoki. They are no longer Benin and where never Igbo.
Urhobo is Urhobo. They are no longer benin.
Isoko is Isoko. they are no longer benin
Itsekiri is Itsekiri. they are no longer benin or yoruba

These niger delta nationalities are now developed enough to be a complete tribe of thier own.
The fact that they have common acestry from benin, does not mean they cant be a tribe of thier own.
After all we all came from Adam and Eve including Arab, chinese, europeans etc.

Igbo should allow these nationalities be. They are not Igbo but distinct nationalities.
Igbo should grow up and move on.

Fulani, yoruba, Igbo, chinese are all product of adam and eve. but today are distinct nationalities.
Therefore all niger Delta ethnic nationalities are distinct nationalities.

Igbo please leave Niger delta alone

fastestfinger:
bro,the ijaws in bonny and opobo are immigrants who were allowed to stay as traders and potters.IGBO is the language of choice in those two towns...AM BEGINNING TO THINK ITS TIME WE FOCUS ON THIS IJAW LAND GRABBERS CUM EXPANSIONIST AND PUT THEM IN THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!

Yujin:
We have learnt from history and we won't repeat the mistake again. May I know your tribe in Rivers state?

Truckpusher:
Any politician can identify with any region especially if they share any cultural attribute.Believe them at your own peril.

So, on the highlighted you said that ''chibudom Nwuche despite being an Ekpeye man has always identifies himself with Ohanaeze'' and bang! that automatically changes his entire tribe men and women to Igbo?.....Just listen to yourself sounding like a broken record

You guys are land grabbers but we are waiting for you to declare your Utopian Biafra without respecting ethnic boundaries, Let's see how that pans out.

bugzbunny:
Mr man.... Have u been to Asaba...
Hv u been to PH..nobdy is forcing anybdy.... Igbo is not just a language...but a tribe.. Igbos are in SS.. just d way yorubas are in kwara and kogi. Though north central... Learn to move around.. Not only to sit on ur computer in ibadan and eat amala and ewedu...

Truckpusher:
They want out from the stranglehold of the North and the South West at all cost but each time they are always eager to drag the Niger Delta into the whole brouhaha and when it fails they turn around and shoot them labeling them traitors and all sort of insults - This generation will not fold their hands and watch the Nigerian state and the Igbos use the Niger Deltans for shooting practice in their quest for control because of their greed for oil. Never.

Truckpusher:
[s]Keep your lies to yourselves my friend ,who are these your phantom brothers that you keep imagining that are resided in the South South or Niger Delta ?

Why haven't kicked against being carved into any of the 6 ss states or is it only you and your kind from the hinterland that is aware of their existence?

No matter how much lies you spread, all the minorities that are acculturated and share any similar cultural attributes with the Igbos are South south and do not wish to be be addressed as Igbos and I am one of them and I reject it and on behalf of my people I reject it too.

Go to the streets of Port Harcourt and refer to any Ogba,Ekpeye and Ikwerre or Etche as an Igbo man and watch them lynch you[/s].

Truckpusher:
I asked you a simple question and here you are barking like a rabid dog without an owner - Chibudom Nwuche is an Ekpeye man from Odioku Town who's proud of his identity and will never refer to himself as an Igbo man ,Peter Odili is an Egbema man from Agah whose side and interest is solely on the side of Rivers State.So, pray tell me how, where and when they have declared themselves as Igbos ? or shut up and speak for yourself- Empty barrels calling others empty.

bettercreature:
Exactly what my father says,you are damn intelligent,IGBO SURELY NEED PORTHARCOURT FOR THEIR SEA ACCESS AND THEY WILL FIGHT TO THE LAST MAN TO GET IT as any land luck country are always poor

HopeAtHand:
Igb people and addiction for Rivers state.

Please, allow us sort ourselves...do your business activities and don't meddle into politics.

Thanx.

pazienza:
Lol! So it's now by force for Ndiigbo to support rivers people in their internal elections.

Dakuku is a nice guy, he has no problem with Ndiigbo, he is Amaechi disciple, and under Amaechi, SE didn't have any problem with Rivers. Infact under Amaechi, Abia was able to recover her oil wells erroneously ceded to Rivers, Amaechi moved on and didn't take his frustrations on SE settlers in Rivers state.
If Dakuku wins, he will be eager to suck up to Ndiigbo, because he will still need our numbers in 2019.

You see, for a politician, it's all about elections, the end of one election marks the beginning of preparations and strategies to ensure victory in the next election.

Wike is a good guy too, he is no fool, if he manages to win this particular battle, the APC will still be hot on his heels, in preparation for 2019 elections, he wouldn't want to alienate Ndiigbo in Rivers, he is a thorough breed politician and knows the importance of numbers in politics, and with the APC controlling the rigging apparatus in Nigeria currently, Wike Will know that he will still need Igbo votes in the future, as rigging is no longer an option.


So, in essence, the scenario you painted is juvenile, and out of touch with present and future realities.


Dakuku or Wike, Ndiigbo in Rivers will be fine.

And neutral we must remain.

Enwe di!

EUROBOMBER:
Stop this nonsense and leave Yoruba out of this shiit. There is nothing like SE/SS, there is SE and there is SS. Pls leave these minorities alone, the Igbo is too big for all this nonsense please.

Macelliot:
I see. You are pained because of the IPOB protest in PH.. Most of the protesters are riverians...
The names of the 20 people arrested by the police shows that most of them are non-Igbos...

PH is IgweOcha, take it or leave it...

agadez007:
why do people lie to themslves a lot,which igbo izugbe is 80% Owerri dialect,abeg
i used to believe that myself but having spent 3-4 years in Owerri and interacted with owerri,i can confidently say Owerri is not even 40% of izugbe,asaba or igbuzor is more central and standard than Owerri

e.g
english-how are you
owerri-i ri kpa ole / imela kpole
onitsha-kedu ka ime
izugbe-kedu ka ime

english-he passed feaces
owerri- o baga nshi
onitsha-onyulu Nsi
izugbe-onyuru Nsi

English-what is your name
owerri-aha gi owu ni?
Onitsha-kedu afa gi/yi
izugbe-kedu aha gi
e.t.c
and other heavy words in owerri just as pig-Ezhi while izugbe and onitsha is Ezi
Ishi-head while izugbe and onitsha is Isi

if owerri is 80% izugbe than onitsha is 100% izugbe

Ricovendetta:
FACTS ABOUT BIAFRA!
(1) Biafran agitation has nothing to do with
HYDROCARBON/CRUDE OIL deposits in Niger Delta.
Imo, Abia, Anambra are currently oil producing
states in Nigeria with huge natural gas reserves, not
forgetting the enormous untapped coal deposits in
Enugu!
(2) Biafra is not land-locked. It has numerous
access to the sea, including through the River Niger.
(3) Biafra entire population is about 35 million
people which is greater than the population many
advanced countries in Western Europe, including
Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Holland,
Austria....etc
(4) Biafra does not or in any form signify war,
violence, armed struggle or any sort of physical
confrontation. BIAFRA IS NOT WAR! It simply means
political, economic and socio-cultural freedom from
a feudalist State ruled by terrorists and Jihadists.
(5) Biafra is not a call for massive exodus to Igbo
land. Put differently, every Igbo or Biafran must not
live in Biafra land. Those who wish could still
maintain their residency wherever they are as well as
own properties anywhere in the world, including
Lagos, Abuja, Kaduna, Kano, Abeokuta…etc.
(6) Independent and sovereign Biafra will never
translate to loss or forfeiture of landed properties
of her citizens in Lagos, Abuja or anywhere in
Nigeria. There are many domestic and international
treaties, conventions and laws that protects Assets of
non-citizens everywhere in the World, that will apply
appropriately.
(7) The NEW BIAFRA shall be a coalition of desirous
and
willing ethnic nationalities in defunct Eastern Nigeria
and
would never be a forceful annexation of any
unwilling
ethnic nationality within its current geo-political
definition.
Ijaws, Ogonis, Ibibio, Anangs, Efiks, Ogojas, and
host of
other ethnic NATIONALITIES shall possess the privilege
to
decide whether to tango politically with their Igbo
brethren
or go their own separate ways..
( Biafra is a train of peace and liberty. A desire
for liberation from institutionalised stumbling blocks
like quota system and federal character principles in
Nigeria’s quasi-unitary society. It is a movement
against internal colonialism, tribal gang-ups,
economic marginalisation and political subjugation
of Igbo and her minority neighbours.
(9) It has nothing to do with hate, bigotry or ethnic
chauvinism. Just a desire to live in a healthy society
where your tribe, tongue, religion or creed does not
define who you are or how far you would
go in your career!
Uju Nwokorobia

https://m.facebook.com/1680720198823697/timeline/story?ut=2&wstart=0&wend=1446361199&hash=2370191982513408835&pagefilter=3&ustart=1&_rdr

Truckpusher:
That's what they will tell you until you're inside then you'll see them for who they really are.

Trust these people at your own peril ,we have seen enough in one Nigeria.We need regional autonomy to safeguard our people's future ,I no wan hear story from inside grave.

pazienza:
You lots never cease to amaze me. You speak like SE is totally homogeneous.

You forget quickly why Ndiigbo never developed an empire in the past, we all cherish our distinctions, no one want to give up a part of his Igbo group to be whole with another Igbo group.

Just as Ndoni craves for autonomy, so do Nkanu, Ngwa, Ndoki, Izzi, Ezza, etc.

The very idea of the whole SE uniting to Lord it over any other group is but a propaganda, seeing as right within the SE. each Igbo group also crave for autonomy.

Biafra will be divided in such a way as to reflect that aspect of who we are, ie our innate need to remain distinct, autonomous, and having niches of our own, within the Igbo or Biafran nation as the case may be.

Biafra 1.0 was divided into provinces that reflected this very Biafran characteristic.

Shymm3x:
Anyway, there's always a silver-lining even in the worst things - just as a dead clock is right twice a day. Kanu, despite his hateful, distasteful, and comical shenanigans - he has been able to create an international awareness for Biafra again. And the world is watching. So, it's time for educated South South and Igbo folks to form a separate group, to probably run parallel to what he's doing, with peace and diplomacy, as the nucleus of their struggle. While keeping secession as the ultimate prize - but autonomy as a consolation if they can't attain the ultimate prize via negotiation.

Once they do that - other folks are going to start demanding the same thing. Outright secession, without bloodshed looks like an impossible task right now, but they can always get autonomy, if they play their cards right.

The zoo has to either collapse or be restructured with autonomy - it's 2015 and the zoo will never work the way it's.

Truckpusher:
Of course we bear the same name and share a lot in culture but my identity shouldn't be swallowed under any circumstances and this is where I stand.If they can't respect that then lemme remain in my original slavery.


What is the essence of leaving slavery to enter another round of slavery? - It would be better for the Niger Delta people to secede on their own and pay the heavy price at least we died for something then they can have the Niger Delta all themselves than leave another form of slavery only to join another one with our eyes open - That is totally unacceptable.

Until the Igbos stop classifying other minority group of the Niger Delta as Rivers Igbo and Delta Igbo ,no deal and to the death with one Nigeria after all we have paid with our environment what else can we not pay with?

Truckpusher:
Be careful with these ones that preaches to you about oneness - They won't hesitate in decapitating your head if they have time,chance and place.

Be careful with these three major tribes of this country - They are green snakes ,in a green grass ,they will bite with no warning.

They did it to Isaac Adaka Boro ,they did it to Kenule Saro Wiwa and they did it to Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogu ,Prof Claude Ake ,Obi Wali et al .....The Fulani/Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo man are devil's incarnate in this country be very very warned.

Deltagiant:
@ the bolded, I see your attempt to show case how Ikwerre is/was a different language from Igbo. Even a long time Hausa or yoruba resident in Asaba or Enugu who speaks some Igbo would readily understand you.

'Dieli badu
Iktupuga nde ki onu' - is equal to Di ali madu, itupugara nde ka onu'.

I always enjoy seeing you and HopeAtHand entertain Nairalanders with your "ikwerre" comedy
Feast on boys!

Truckpusher:
On the highlighted I beg to disagree in as much as I have opined several times that we share a lot in common culturally but let me make it very clear that the Ogba Egbema Ndoni people of Rivers Sate are not Igbos but a distinctive tribe with their own distinctive culture and if we follow your line of argument we should be saying that Hausa,Fulani and Kanuris are all Arabs and possibly Fulanis.

I am not against self determination of any kind from any part of the country but deliberately spreading falsehood while masking it with all sorts cheap propaganda that smacks of land grabbing and regional annexation is another form of what is happening in Nigeria where the rest of the states wants the Igbos to remain despite their kick against the oppressive system of the Nigerian state.

Your deliberate distortion of historical facts to sooth your agenda will only alarm these people that you want to force into your struggle and there lies your downfall.

kolafas1:
Okonjo from delta state

Karanka:
It's obvious this divisive thread has been thrashed and buried with superior facts and argument. Anybody with average intelligence will know these groups listed by the OP are Igbo and nothing else.
Nobody here that supports the OP's argument has been able to explain exactly how these groups in question came about their Igbo surnames,Igbo culture,Igbo names for their towns,Igbo words for the names of the groups themselves.
Like someone said earlier on this thread: if it walks like a dog,barks like a dog and looks like a dog,then definitely,it's a dog.
Some might want to attempt to rewrite History all they want,but if an outsider visits these places and observes them,no amount of 21st century mischievously written book will convince him that these people are not Igbos.
Finally,I feel a group has the sole right to state where they're from; but it is only a bastard child that points his Father's compound with the left hand.

HopeAtHand:
Dont act like you dnt know that in Nigeria the East is the 5 South East states..

Your inlaws an associates if found to be acting detrimental to our common cause will be gladly dumped into Igboland.