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Oby1:
@cgift
i no go lie you. me i dey catch plenty fun when one person de yab another! e no yab person reach my three junior brothers. Na for Ajegunle i grow up. Na today

But if you are a good Christain, bad thing no suppose make u happy, but it saddens you. (You see is not all about quoting the word of God, but understanding and putting it into practise)

If your three junior brothers dey yab too, na him bi sey u never start as Christain, u get plenty work to do in your family. And you never finish am, u dey come talk to us.

Cgift, wetin you dey jump up. Person wey no get strength to sweep him house – come dey forward himself say him wan sweep the universe. For where de strength go carry come? Oby1, yarn him well

@Pilgrim,
Honestly, na only laugh I get now. Your reactions to Catholic don dey make laugh. I begin think wetin Vatican do you. If you get gun, Pilgrim you go shoot Pope – haba

Anyhow cheers

Don’t mind my last two posts, as I said, we may be in a hurry and mistype often. Like word with world and the rest of them as I did post them above.

Though, this is not an English Class- anyhow thank you for commenting on it, but I think I have now made the world clear as commented above.

Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary

Pilgrim,

Deify can still worship - it depends how you use it. I wanted to commend on that but I forgot.

Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary

Oby1:
To Mature In Our Walk


Father, I'm praying for myself and others (Ebos, Carlosein, Vies, Orobo 50cl, Pilgrim.1, Cgift and others that i can't remember now) in my circle of family and friends to become increasingly mature in Christ,

Some have been content not to grow. They've continued to live as infants in Christ, settling for the milk of the Word, not ready to move on to solid food—sometimes for years. Forgive them and change them; help them be willing to grow, to become more mature in their walk, their understanding, and their application of Your Word. (1 Corinthians 3:2; Hebrews 5:12-14)

Help all of us to see wonderful things in Your Word and be eager to live by Your rules, not ours. Direct our steps according to the Word; let no sin rule over us. (Psalm 119:18, 9, 133) Give us a genuine desire to grow beyond simple, elementary truth, becoming strong in our understanding, as we should. (Hebrews 6:1–3)

Grant us perseverance so we'll not only begin but continue to grow in Christ, so one day we'll be complete and not lack anything. Help us count the cost of time and energy and be willing to pay the price. (James 1:4; Luke 14:28)

May we choose to grow spiritually. In Jesus' name, amen.

Jesus Provides, Mary intercedes.

Lovely. Your method of praying is so nice. Well selected

@ Oby1,

I have been copying those prayers – I really love those them. It’s being quite a long time I have not heard such prayers or gathered together with my old friends to recite them. I have taken a lot of prayers posted here. I did pray some of it last night with a friend who joined me.

Thanks a lot – I need more of it.

@Pilgrim,

You know, I don’t have problem with you at all. My Capital No is from my heart – just to let you know my real position for your question. It is not an outburst. Pilgrim, just get me. I’m not like that.

We are good friends –only that I don’t want to debate.

Cheers

Pilgrim

Capital NO

The bible does not contradict itself but the way individuals understand and interpret it makes it look as if the written contexts contradict the oral traditions.

lafile:
ebos said 'It should also be taken into consideration that no portion of the scripture itself teaches that the Bible is the only source of our authority or fact or information.'

My question is what happens when there is a conflict between what the bible says and what these other sources of authority/fact/information says?

Are you a Catholic who want to know or you want to debate? Let me know first.

I support Oby1 - don't abuse any person - please. This discussion or thread have not gone to that level. I still maintain it - Pilgrim or any of our Protestant friends are not devil.

Hi morning to all,

Are you amazed Cgift? You and Pilgrim dey wahala a little no be lie. Dey say dem go drop cappuccino or aspirin for Catholics. I have taken permission from God today. I hope the day will be nice for all of us (Catholics and Protestants – one Christian).

It is not the victory of an opinion which is at stake, but a humble quest of God’s wishes in the thread. Our Holy mother Mary will continue to pray for us all. When I was a kid, my mum used to ask us the prizes you came home with after any bible class. It wasn’t enough to say you attended bible class without showing evidence that would prove you were really there. The evidence was the prize they used to give those that answered questions. Without the prize, you must be in trouble. One, they would say, you didn’t attend or you were playing and failed to listen.

If we kill ourselves here and disregard the focal point - why we are Christians – to me, it’s a colossal loss of souls. No debate - we only want to hear any good thing about Catholic Church that will lead to deifying the living God.

@Carlosein and Oby1

In fact, these people their wahala too much - I saw some Catholic threads and opened them, but I had to do back turn on seeing some usernames. Let them create a separate thread for fun and invite us – I believe we will blend with them well.

Hi Carlosein, Oby1, Viee, Parmperme and all

You guys should continue with your Catholic faith. I love your respective positions and the prayers posted so far. They are really nice prayers, but to be honest, ebos is seriously lacking behind. I need your prayers. I have not participated in all devotions from 2004 till date- I mean May or October devotion. I tried to attend this year’s May devotion but was only active for just 4 days. Poor me!

@Pilgrim,

Hello, Hello, Hello – I don’t have problem with you in any way. You have done absolutely nothing to me, only that I’m over tired of the sneeringly rejoinder(s) here. If you can point-out any of our explanations you have conceded to be at least near truth, then we will know there is hope. Regrettably none you have accepted. I discovered that every point raised by Catholics was caricatured. No one has called you a devil; My Catholic guys can't call you that. They may make statements on how devil operates, but they can’t call you devil. Just go through the posts of our Protestant friends and even yours - they call Pope all sorts of names, Mary a devil etc.

Cheers and May God forgive us all

@ viee,

Abi, you no see say we don tire for karat here? Maybe, you get some skills you wan display - then show am make we see whether you go karat dem down. Oby1, Carlosein and the rest even Tyson and tire. ebos karat, Tyson, wrestle - all the skills and styles to bring dem down but dem stand jeje - dem no fit fall. Who born you to fall giants dem? Our Protestant friends go make heaven, we (Catholics) go still make heaven. Na one God we dey call. simple. Me, I no get problem with dem - only say I don talk am say, na de time to listen. Na him make I go defense - dey learn new strategies.

Every Catholic member has the entire wherewithal available to him or her to make heaven. We have Jesus Christ present at the Blessed Sacrament, we receive Him everyday, it is not symbolic, it’s real Jesus, and He dwells in us each time we receive Him. What a privilege! Those who rejected Christ teaching on His Real Body and Blood withdrew from Him from the beginning and we still have such people today who have continued to doubt the same Christ teaching in John Chapter 6. It is only Catholics that have adhered strictly to this teaching and have not withdrawn from following the Living God.

Catholics worship only the Living God, while only Honour (and not worship) is given to Mary - the Holy Mother of our Saviour.

We also have the Sacrament of Penance instituted by Christ Himself in John 20:19-23, there Christ appeared to His disciples and greeted them “Peace be with you, as the Father has sent Me, I also send you, He breathed on them and said Receive the Holy Spirit, if you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them, if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” With this, every Catholic can have Perfect Contrition; genuinely Confess his or her sin, Penance given, Indulgence followed and Satisfaction which is sincerely doing the Penance given by the Priest. Regrettably, Satan has continued to dissuade the easy deceived ones that it is wrong to confess their sins to Priests probably to add more souls to his blazing agony. Thank God for the truth in Catholic Church, the Pillar and Foundation of truth.

It should also be taken into consideration that no portion of the scripture itself teaches that the Bible is the only source of our authority or fact or information.

The word of God must be followed entirely and not in part, whole must be involved, take away part you miss everything. Jesus Christ and His Apostles handed some Traditions to “One” Church that can trace its origin to the time of the Apostles (Catholic Church founded by Christ Himself and not “Two” Church) 1 Timothy 3:15. This very portion says; conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the Church, the Pillar and foundation of Truth. The bible didn’t write itself, it was written by the Church (Catholic) to help and guide us, but it does not contain every truth as last Chapter of John 21:25 put it, “there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

The above verse was supported by II Thessalonians 2:15, it says “Brethren stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word (orally) or our epistle (written) – Note by orally. So, Catholics have been accused often time of following some traditions which most people ignorantly believed to have not been in bible, but we often ask them if they have not come across the above Chapter in Thessalonians. We have also asked them many times without answer - to show us where it is written that the bible is the only source of our facts or information or authority.

Consequent upon the above, I’m begging, please, we need only Catholics in this forum and you are required to share your experience being a Catholic, how pretty you see Catholic doctrines – pointing the lives of the saints and encourage other Catholics who may want to join any society in the Church. Also as a Catholic, if you have any question(s) you can ask, and any Catholic in this forum can respond to it. However, if you are not satisfied with the answers, go and ask your Parish Priest, no debate here.

Ebos also need your prayers, at least Three Hail Mary, One Glory be to God, and One Our Father. If you have any other prayers to refer me to, please do so. I have seriously been lacking behind for three years now. We can also pray for ourselves while asking the Saints, the Angels and our Mother Mary to join and pray for us all.

Seun, do you want to proscribe for two months any person who try to deride our Catholic belief(s) in this forum? Think of it hence it is only Catholics needed. Please, Protestants don’t get me wrong –war of words lead us no where.

Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary

Actually, I’m not a saint and I don’t pretend to be one, but I think these pictures are not normal to have them here. This will be my last visit to this very thread. I can see they are posting more pictures. Yes, I’m not a saint but this public show is not good. Does it make any sense to come out and wash ourselves with these array of pictures?

This is the picture of the above post

Check out the picture. It was not a Political rally neither was it a Refuge Camp. Don’t even think it was a crowd trooping out from the Stadium after a match. It was simply a scene that depicted Nigeria ugly state of affairs. These were over 30,000 Nigerian graduates scampering for Intercontinental Bank Interview at Opebi, Ikeja, Lagos State, Nigeria. The picture didn’t get half of the people. How many people would be recruited and how many would go back waiting for God, the only source of Nigeria hope to liberate this country? Nigeria leaders are busy diverting every kobo to their personal packets while our youths are scorching to fritter away against their wishes. The Police had to use teargas to disperse the innocent graduates when the situation could not be brought under control. What else, waste of manpower, even treated like criminals? Obviously, it was a National disgrace.

Jesus Christ! It's really a shower of show. Na wah o

Carlosein, Obyi and others

I heard you guys. But one thing, don't wait for kindness to grace you, grace kindness with your presence. I understand that any good accomplished at the expense of harmony is a doubtful gain. It is to the credit of human nature, that, except where its selfishness is brought into play, it loves more readily than it hates. I then state here that thoughtful, by a gradual and quiet process, will even be transformed to reasoning, unless the change be impeded by a continually new irritation of the original feeling of aggression.

I believe in my heart that knowledge exploration is key for all of us but especially for our good, and to keep their futures open-ended and never ending is really, really important.

Let me just continue with what I was immersed at my childhood. I know nothing get me distracted except that I believe.

Best Regards to you all.

@Pilgrim,

I’m now blamed for the actions of others as if I have put the actions of other Protestants on you. It is on record that the Protestants have been doing the attacks while Catholics have been on defense, though had to come back with few counter attacks. When the attacks from Protestants become increasingly intense, I don’t think it’s proper to restrain my fellow Catholics from showing their displeasure. But, what I don’t support is when you are insulted directly.

We can go back to the beginning of this thread. The first attack was launched by a Protestant and it has been so in every other thread. They have attributed so many names on Catholicism such as Mariolatry, Idolatrous, and all Popes as the Beast etc. All explanations by Catholics made no sense.

You don’t expect me to respond to every post - apart from these Catholic threads– I don’t respond to people except few guys I have known to have been contributing wisely. So, when they have gone overboard, I will respond to call them to order because you can’t see them coming back to insult you.

However, I have never engaged in any debate in Nairaland except with you. If the insult from your fellow Protestants continues this way, I will have no other option than stop visiting this thread or even Nairaland. It helps to remove discomfort I have been encountering in the course of reading some stuffs.

Regards

@Carlosein

I don’t think there is anything you will answer Pilgrim that we have not given in some other threads. I conversed with Pilgrim in the thread 666 and another on Catholic is not a Church but a Modernized Way of Idolatry.

So, that was why I didn’t offer answers to a few of her questions in this thread. I provided answers to her questions on the above mentioned threads but the Pilgrim whom I have taken as a friend didn’t believe any atom rather she has kept on asking the same questions all over again. She will not agree with you, but the only thing in her you may like is one particular attribute.

However, I read your link it was very nice. I can’t understand why most Protestants choose to write rubbish against Catholicism – twisting everything for what purpose? It amazes me to see them behaving this way.

O boy, there are still some portions in your link, very interesting. The same points we have been here killing fighting ourselves

This is some of the portions that thrilled me a lot

Meanwhile something dramatic occurred. I was approached by a seminary, a Presbyterian seminary, and asked if I would teach courses to the seminarians beginning with one Gospel of John seminar. I said, "Sure." So I began to share from the Gospel of John all about the covenant, about the family of God, about what it really means to be born again. I discovered in my study that being born again does not mean accepting Jesus Christ as personal Savior and Lord and asking Him into your heart -- although that is important and every believer, Catholic or otherwise, should have Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord and a living personal relationship with Him. But I discovered what Jesus meant in John 3 when He said that you've got to be born again. He turns around and says that you've got to be born of water and spirit. In the previous chapters He was just baptized with water and the Spirit descended upon Him. And as soon as He is done talking to Nicodemus about the need to be born from water and Spirit, the very next verse says that Jesus and the
disciples went about baptizing. I taught that being born again is a covenant act, a sacrament, a covenant renewal involving baptism. I shared this with my seminary students; they were convinced.

Meanwhile I was preparing my sermons and some lectures ahead of John chapter 3. I was delving into John chapter 6. I don't know how many of you've ever studied the Gospel of John. In many ways it's the richest Gospel of all. But John chapter 6 is my favorite chapter in the fourth Gospel. There I discovered something that I think I read before, but I
never noticed. Listen to it. "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink His blood you have no life in you. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day, for my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him.'" I read that; I reread that; I looked at it from ten different angles. I bought all these books about it, commentaries on John. I couldn't understand how to make sense out of it.

I had been trained to interpret that in a figurative sense; Jesus is using a symbol. Flesh and blood really is just a symbol of His body and blood. But the more I studied, the more I realized that that interpretation makes no sense at all. Why? Because as soon as all the Jews hear what Jesus says, they depart. Up until this point, thousands were following him, and then all of a sudden the multitudes just simply are shocked that He says, "My flesh is food indeed, my blood is drink
indeed" and they all depart. Thousands of disciples leave Him. If Jesus had intended that language to only be figurative, He would have been morally obligated as a teacher to say, "Stop, I only mean it figuratively." But He doesn't do that; instead, what does he do? My research showed me that he turns to the twelve, and he says to them, what? "We better hire a public relations (P.R.) agent; I really blew it guys." No! He says, "Are you going to leave me too?" He doesn't
say, "Do you understand I only meant it as a symbol?" No! He says that the truth is what sets us free, I have taught the truth. What are you going to do about it?

Peter stands up and speaks out; he says, "To whom shall we go? You alone have the words of eternal life and we've come to believe." Peter's statement, "To whom shall we go?" implies that, "You know, Jesus, we don't understand what you mean either, but do you have another Rabbi on the scene you can recommend? You know, to whom shall we go?
It's too late for us; we believe whatever you say even if we don't understand it fully, and if you say we have to eat your flesh and drink your blood, then somehow you'll give us the grace we need to accept your words at face value." He didn't mean it figuratively. As I began to study this, I began to realized it's one thing to convince Presbyterians that being born again means being baptized, but how in the world could I possibly convince them that we actually have to eat His flesh and drink His blood? I focused then a little bit more on the Lord's supper and communion. I discovered that Jesus had never used the word "covenant" in His public ministry. He saved the one time for when He instituted the Eucharist and he said, "This cup is the blood of the new covenant." If covenant means family, what is it that makes us family? Sharing flesh and blood. So if Christ forms a new covenant, that is a new family, what is He going to have to provide us with? New flesh and new blood. I began to see why in the early Church for over 700 years, nobody any place disputed the meaning of Jesus' words. All of the early Church fathers without exception took Jesus'words at face value and believed and taught the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I was scared; I didn't know who to turn to.

Then all of a sudden an episode occurred one night in a seminar I wasn't ready for. An ex-Catholic graduate student named John raised his hand. He had just finished a presentation for the seminar on the Council of Trent. The Council of Trent, you'll recall, was the Church's official response to Martin Luther and the Reformation. In about an hour and a half he had presented the Council of Trent in the most favorable light. He had shown how many of their arguments were in
fact based on the Bible. Then he turned the tables on me. The students were supposed to ask him a question or two. He said, "Can I first ask you a question, Professor Hahn? You know how Luther really had two slogans, not just sola fide, but the second slogan he used to revolt against Rome was sola Scriptura, the Bible alone. My question is, 'Where
does the Bible teach that?'" I looked at him with a blank stare. I could feel sweat coming to my forehead. I used to take pride in asking my professors the most stumping questions, but I never heard this one before. And so I heard myself say words that I had sworn I'd never speak; I said, "John, what a dumb question." He was not intimidated. He look at me and said, "Give me a dumb answer." I said, "All right, I'll try." I just began to wing it. I said, "Well, Timothy 3:16 is the key: 'All Scripture is inspired of God and profitable for correction, for training and righteousness, for reproof that the man of God may be completely equipped for every good work, '" He said, "Wait a second, that only says that Scripture is
inspired and profitable; it doesn't say ONLY Scripture is inspired or even better, only Scripture's profitable for those things. We need other things like prayer," and then he said, "What about 2 Thessalonians 2:15?" I said, "What's that again?" He said, "Well, there Paul tells the Thessalonians that they have to hold fast, they have to cling to the traditions that Paul has taught them either in writing or by word of mouth." Whoa! I wasn't ready. I said, "Well, let's move on with the questions and answers; I'll deal with this next week. Let's go on."

I don't think they realized the panic I was in. When I drove home that night, I was just staring up to the heavens asking God, why have I never heard that question? Why have I never found an answer? The next day I began calling up heologians around the country, former professors. I'd ask them, "Where does the Bible teach sola Scriptura? Where does the Bible teach us that the Bible is our only authority?" One man actually said to me, "What a dumb question coming from you." I said, "Give me a dumb answer then." I was catching on. One professor whom I greatly respect, an Oxford theologian, said to me, "Scott, you don't expect to find the Bible proving sola Scriptura because it isn't something the Bible demonstrates. It is our assumption; it is our presupposition when we approach the Bible." That struck me as odd; I said, "But professor, that seems strange because what we are saying then is that we should only believe what the Bible teaches, but the Bible doesn't teach us to only believe what the Bible teaches. Our assumption isn't taught by the Bible." I said, "That feels like we're cutting off the branch that we're sitting on." Then he said, "Well what other
options do we have?" Good point, all right.

Another friend, a theologian, called me and said, "Scott, what is this I'm hearing that you're considering the Catholic faith?" "Well, no, Art, I'm not really considering the Catholic faith." Then I decided to pose him a question. I said, "Art, what for you is the pillar and foundation of truth?" And he said, "Scott, for all of us Scripture is the pillar and foundation of truth." I said, "Then why, Art, does the Bible say in 1 Timothy 3:15 that the pillar and foundation of truth is
the church, the household of faith?" There was a silence and he said, "Well, Scott, I think you're setting me up with that question then." And I said, "Art, I feel like I'm being set up with lots of problems." He said, "Well, which church, Scott? There are lots of them." I said, "Art, how many churches are even applying for the job of being the pillar and foundation of truth? I mean, if you talk about a church saying, 'We're the pillar and foundation of truth; look to us and you will hear Christ speak and teach'? How many applicants for the job are there? I only know of one. I only know that the Roman Catholic Church teaches that it was founded by Christ; it's been around for 2000 years and it's making some outlandish claims that seem awfully similar to 1 Timothy 3:15."

@Carlosein

Cool men, I really sat down and read your link and it brought joy to me. I was really over happy. If these people can make out their time and read the link, they will understand what we are saying. There was no difference between the author of that article and my friend Pilgrim. However, the only difference is that the author has finally realized the truth while Pilgrim is still struggling to find the truth.

There is another man who was a Protestant Pastor for over 7 years and later became a Catholic Priest and a host of them. This man when he was a Protestant Pastor never liked to hear anything about Catholicism. All his sermons were against Catholicism but today he’s ordained Catholic Priest. I used to yarn with him when I was in Port Harcourt. His name is Rev. Fr. Brown and his Parish then was Mater Misericordiae Parish, Rumuomasi, Port Harcourt, that was also my Parish but he has been posted to another Parish now. The Church is the biggest Parish in Rivers State. First, he was OO Ogbu Pastor, later a Protestant Pastor for over 7 years and he confessed after going through the bible several times, meditated on it; he now realized that only Catholic (no single Protestant Church) has the truth. He apologized for all his attacks against Catholic Church. Go to Port Harcourt and ask of Rev. Fr Brown of former Mater Misericordia Parish they will yarn you better.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1096019/posts

The man on pink on fit blow at all, but as de man take climb table dey pose, dey charge and dey rake all man like Undertaker – na him fear even catch me say Undertaker don enter ring, but as dem dey mamaram blow, na him the man dey bend bend dey go down. I no fit understand whether he dey fight his agbada or na his opponent. Ultimate warrior dem full there, no be small. A disgrace!

@Carlosein,

Such link you posted, they will never see it. They cannot post that link for us to read. But any one wey talk say Pope don wear Cap - they go post am sharp, sharp. Come tell you how Jesus no wear cap. So, e no dey for bible. Pope go cough three times - dem go say na only two times Jesus cough, even Peter cough only once. Why Pope go cough three time - dem go tell you Pope don change am, three times cough no dey for bible.

Pope go kiss woman, dem go shout hee eeh- we talk am, this Pope una no see his eyes as e dey shine so. That man wey una call Pope hum, Peter self wey dem say Pope succeed no even kiss woman. Them go read wetin dey Pope for mind. You go hear again dat one e no dey for bible. My brother, me atire. May God bless all of us.

My brother, actually you told me, they were caricaturing our inputs just for comic effect. Let me just open up for the first time. I lost huge amount of money on three occasions because of this debate. In Forex Trading, they just leveled me three times. I’m just trying to build a new account. If tell you how much I lost, my brother you won’t believe it. I forgot I had entered market, and was busy typing what to post – irked for what I read.

However, such is life. I know a lot of people who have come back to Catholic Church today. It takes someone who’s wise to know what Satan has been up to.

Anyway, I just want to go out right now till evening or tomorrow.

@ Pilgrim,

I discovered that you are not ready to reason with Catholics and you have already grouped Catholic where you have made up your mind. Allow my Catholicism to be, and let your Protestantism be as well. It does not make us enemies.

My Best Regards

Oby1, I missed you since - Have not heard of you. Hope nothing is wrong?