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Balogunodua:
Mansa Musa an hausa man?this is a new one...

Can you imagine the nonsense he spills from his hands

TAO11:
He is one and the same person. That’s his second account. 100%

If you see gregboy you will wee on yoyr pant


Stop telling lies, is not everything you tell lies ke and gregboy hits you thesame doesn't mean we are same person

Abovebonny2:
No war is equal.

I agree with your points, I just wanted to point out that Benin wasn't as powerful as many of the other African kingdoms, or as competent.

And i proved you wrong

PORNeIlusHUBson:
So Oyo that spread to Benin,Togo, Ghana and majority of western Yorubaland is not an Empire... Na wa ooo

Oyo wasn't an empire

Abovebonny:
The only Empire Nigeria ever had was the Sokoto Caliphate...

So no Oyo was not an empire by any means.

Look at the map and tell me Sokoto was not an empire? And that Oyo and Benin were not Kingdoms...

Would you shut up before i stone you from here

Shut up your mouth i will tell you 100 reason why sokoto was not an empire nonsense


You see that book, i snapped they detailed sokoto caliphate carefully

Nor go talk wetin u nor go fit defend oo

Schloars dey here

Abovebonny:
I am not "black" I am mixed race of Igbo & English heritage.

I don't know why you people love to over exaggerate Benin's scope of influence.
Perhaps a small minority of independent Igbo villages west of the Niger paid tribute to the Oba's its likely, but the Igbos were not a united entity.
Talk case specific and stop saying Benin ruled everyone and their ancestors abeg
Next you will tell us that the ancient Egyptians also paid tribute...

What Benin Empire?!?!?
It was a kingdom get a grip man.

lack of firepower is no excuse for lack of resistance, Benin folded in 9 days... 9 freaking days
Anglo-Xhosa wars took 100 years to finally conclude.
The Anglo-Ashanti wars lasted for 76 years, ending at the beginning of the 20th century.
The Zulus wiped out the British at Isandlwana, worst defeat by the British at the hands of an inferior foe.
Anglo-Aro war lasted 1 year & yet the majority of Igbos still resisted British conquest.
Ekumeku resistance fought the British for 31 years.

Benin had many warriors but their tactics, superstition and leadership caused their quick demise.

You're wrong now lemme explain, benin was the most recognized african kingdom known by the Europeans and most feared and respected

The Anglo - ashanti war was an attack and a counter attack, it was not a war intentionally intended by the British to surpress the ashanti as a colony, it was a battle of dispute between the British and ashanti people, it was in 1897 the British finally opted for ashanti colonialism, it was no play as usual, few months after benin fell, ashanti fell too guess what?
the mechinery leftover used in conquering benin was what was used for ashants and they fell

Who are the soldiers the British used in defeating ashanti, hausa service men recruited from northern part of nigeria, those soldiers just finsh defeating benin months later

The benin British war was the first war benin had with European and the binis were taking by surprise, it was a war for colonization and not that of dispute, the war was official the military weapons used in defeating benin was the one used in sacking ashanti,

Note : the British never undermined benin military power, they prepared for it, the British didnt even have the money for military weapons but they found away out, letter was written from the niger coast to Britain for militarily equipments to storm benin, weapons from cape coast i.e south africa were gathered to fight in benin, a British submarine ship was involved too named after ovaremwen , the military power the British used in fighting benin was far more than that of the ashanti and xhosa war

The war lasted 3 months, not 9 days, guerrilla warefare continued for extra 2yrs

When you read the anshanti-anglo war, one thing you will deduce from the war is insult by the British people on the ashanti culture which prompted those short wars those insult never occurred in benin

Note again
Just imagine some foreigners coming to insult your kingdom by taking your colony, dictating trade, boundaries for you( ashanti), the British force practically insulted the anshantis and double dare them, all the ashanti did was to react To it, by waging war most of the war they fought Couldn't or even surpress the British forces


As for the xhosa, how do you win a war and yet you were still colonize by the people you defeated if you have defeated them you should have ruled over them and colonized them instead

I repeat again the military weapon used to bring bini down is far greater than that of those two shunnis you mentioned up there, and the intentions was direct to colonize


Ibo guy go sit down darty they your eye

Gregyboy

Balogunodua:
Stop trying to console yourself...

Lol.... I guess you don't

If gregyboy was d one debating TAO11 directly tears and wailing will be flooding the comment

bonjovi787:
Never happened.
Where did you get this rubbish from ?
When you say stuff like this, at least attempt to substantiate it.
Oba Eweka II was raised by Oba Ovonramwen, the last independent emperor of Benin, when Oba Eweka 2 ascended the throne (1914) many people in the region (mostly the yoruba) were afraid he would make his father's empire rise again.

So please prove your claim. I want to see how you are going to explain this rubbish.

You guys really dont know benin history do you


Here is a screenshot from gregyboy
Oba eweka11 agreeing ooni of ife was oghene n uhe, who he used to pray to


I can explain beyond this because if i do i will only make you guys more confused

You have ti learn it yourself


I will give you one screenshot you can ask Tao11 to give you more

Just ask her Tao11 give me quote were benin obas admitted to be from ife

Wahala she will flood you with it

Etinosa12345:
Did u read the origin of the treaty?

Where is it heard that the defeated dictates the terms of a treaty?

Besides.. according to Benin folklore, Ogiso Owodo had only one child who was banished...

So where are this that are claiming Ogiso Descendants come from

That treatu has nothing to do with ife please dont
Indulge yourself with myth that treaty was a different history on his own, And it has no relationship to with ekaladeran

Ekalderhan story existed independentky too...

Balogunodua:
Cry foul ke...

That is an Edo miscreant thing...

Do you want me to prove it with screenshot

Hmm!?

PORNeIlusHUBson:
This one Jus dey give him people stray Bullet

We are not coward we are straight foward people
Unlike the cunning yorubas who wouldn't tell their kingsmen the truth... Yorubas are like rat that blows you breeze before eating your feet

Etrusen:
my problem with you Yoruba's is that you look half message

undeniable the oba said oronmiyan came from ife but you people have refuse finish what he says about oduduwa because that doesn't suit you.

the true story of oduduwa being an individual that sought refuge in ife is with the Olugbo of ugbo land



dont come here to give half scripted page please

You have little knowledge yoruba history and also that of bini, you only know the periphery of both history,

You dont know bini history on a research background, just admit to yourself you dont know and we will find books for you to read

Balogunodua:
Says an Edo miscreant .....

lol this time you didn't cry foul

Obalatule:
Bini is a Yoruba sub-group

Change my mind

Yoruba is a bini subgroup what the yoruba are speaking today is a form of benin language spoken wrongly

Etrusen:
why are the Yoruba's that deceptive? always creating fake account everywhere to cause havoc online

or is this what Afonjalism bring?

The yorubas are lovely people is just Tao11 soiling them with hate and her obsession, the other outside culture thread knows benin historically suppressed their weak ancestors

On real ground if you mention youre bini to a Yoruba man they would never want to see your anger

I forget to do a screenshot on the yoruba hebrew thread when a Yoruba guy accepted the word oba is originally binis

Do you know what she said when i showed her, she was speechless and claim, if the yoruba giy who admitted it was an author from dat dayi just know she just an afonja

The real yorubasl dont tell lies

She is just Obassed we bleeped her ancestors up

TAO11:
Or he should treat himself to at least a $1,000 shopping if he finds eyewitness written historical accounts of his daddies such as:

Eweka 1, Uwakhwuahen, Ehenmihe, Ewedo, Oguola, Edoni, Udagbedo, Ohen, Egbeka, Orobiru, Uwaifokun, Ewuare 1, Esegie, and many others.

But if he fails to find any such eyewitness written historical account, then he may be consistent enough with his warped logic to conclude that his daddies are no more than fictional cartoons — aka. santa-cluases.

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Having said that archaeological evidence dating to centuries prior to the 1800s have already been adduced to establish the classical Ife-Benin relationship which consistently portrays Benin kingdom as the subject and Ife as the overlord.

See links below as already discussed in details on page two of this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798

https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

cc: Obalatule

Desperado transgendered

Obalatule:
You just dey edit this one comment to better hide and disguise your pains

Go and offer your Oba ewuare $1000 to recant his shameful statement about descending from Ile-ife

Lol, the oba claims ife came fron him.....

Atleast ww dont believe him, on that

But it seems you believe the ooni of ife own side of the history so prove it, prove your ooni right

samuk:
Go and call your teacher Tao here right now, you have nothing upstairs to talk about. Let her know that I am ready to offer her or anyone $1000 who is able to provide eyewitness written historical accounts of Benin/Ife relationship early than 1800s.

Obalatule just woke uo from dream


Benin-ife relationships is too farfetched

He should prove oyo-ife relationships with archeological finding or writeup which proves oyo originated from ife, or prove ife-oyo father and son relationship


Just watch how they will cry foul

Obalatule:
You are the definition of pain and insecurity, Bini is a Yoruba sub-tribe even your Oba acknowledged this publicly


Do you guys really need to always put yourselves through this painful trashing at the hands of the yorubas all the time?

Did you see my thread were i said niggas like you should prove bini - ife had a connection

Without the useless oral account flying up and down

TAO11:
(1) Regarding the age of the Ife settlement w.r.t. Benin, it is an absolutely laughable ignorant falsehood to say that Benin predates Ife or that Ife wasn’t settled prior to the 1500s.

(A) Some radio-carbon dates of Ife potsherd pavements (or “street tiling” in modern terminology) at Ita-Yemoo, Ife as obtained by Frank Willett goes back to as early as circa 960CE.

(B) Some radio-carbon dates of charcoal samples from Orun Oba Ado as obtained by Frank Willett goes back to as early as circa 560CE.

(C) In his 1969 report of a preliminary archaeological survey of Ife, Paul Ozanne finds that many settlements were already established in Ife by circa 350BCE.

I would wait to see his evidence for how Benin was settled prior to Ife. Joke of the century.

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(2) Regarding the sorrowful rant that there was no classical relationship between Ife and Benin, well this has been debunked as an ignorant falsehood many times on Nairaland.

See any of the two links below for some examples of such refutation:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798

https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

Having said that, the allusion to A.F.C. Ryder is not only a warped one but also an ignorant one as is to be seen below:

Ryder never claimed to have any evidence of no classical Ife-Benin relationship. Rather he simply questioned the widely acknowledged relationship and proposed his undecided alternative — an hypothesis which has unfortunately yielded zero result even till date.

In fact, four years after his hypothesis, Ryder is reported in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei to have abandoned the hypothesis. The authors note in this regards as follows:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”

Reference: Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137. [You may click on the bolded word “Reference”]

Moreover, even if Ryder had failed to retrace his steps, his mere undecided questioning does absolutely nothing to overturn the corpus of evidence upheld by almost every single scholar on the subject.

A remarkable example of the many scholarly devastating refutations which trailed Ryder’s hypothesis was from Professor Robin Horton in his “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”.

See the link below for my excerpt of relevant quotations from the work showing how Ryder’s hypothesis was debunked:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

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(3) The idea that the Binis settled in Lagos via a military invasion; or that the progenitor of the present-ruling dynasty of Lagos island is a Bini blood have both being debunked in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783

Moreover, the idea that Benin ruled over some Yoruba frontier territories to its west has also been debunked in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96519494

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This particular comment made me send you into
Oblivion the last time


The last time i asked that little sculpture found in the palace if it was ooni of ife why is different from the vast ife sculpture both in costume and in shape
You were dumbfounded
I also present fact that that sculpture most likely was from an eastern Yoruba area bini had extensive contact with

You make me laugh,


So if that sculpture could be found in benin from ife that automatically means every other yoruba should have one of those sculpture buried in their palaces to show they had relationship with ife



I will be needing such sculpture from every palace of every yoruba clan only benin can't be an exemption

By so doing we can be assured it was a deliberate act from ife to show sovereignty and connection to her children

Samuk see the transgendered aka amazingly dullard wanting to catch crusie with that owo sculpture found in the oba palace she is claiming it as ife sculpture to Etrusen to deceive him



Benin love documenting on sculpture, they documented sculptures of western ibos kings and their ladies in benin, yet they manage to skip their ancestral town ife


TAO11 obsession will not end you, repeat after me

I ilke your obsession anyway it has we bini than you

TAO11:
The statement attributed to a certain Alaafin along the lines that Oyo-Ile paid tributes (during some reign before his) to Benin is at best a misrepresentation by the reporter and for the following reason:

(1) There isn’t a single account from the vast corpus of Oyo’s traditional oral literature (as well from its earliest written volume — circa.1700) which may be adduced to remotely substantiate such report.

Yet Oyo traditions admit in clear unequivocal terms that Oyo-Ile, in its early centuries, had to pay tributes to the now defunct kingdom of Owu-Ipole. Owu-Ipole for that matter.

The same Oyo traditions admit in unambiguous terms that Oyo-Ile (in its early centuries) only managed to survive military attacks from the Bariba and the Nupe among other disasters clearly admitted in its traditions.

(2) The demographic nature of the Oyo-Ile kingdom (as a frontier settlement up north amidst Bariba and Nupe frontier settlements) supports and bolsters these statements admitted in its tradition.

However, the same report fails to gel (no matter how far we stretch our imagination) with the respective demographic settings of the Oyo-Ile and Benin kingdoms.

It simply makes zero geographical sense that Benin kingdom (which did not obtain tributes from all the kingdoms lying to its west between itself and Oyo-Ile) somehow managed to do so from distant Oyo-Ile.

(3) There isn’t a single account from the vast corpus of Benin’s traditional oral and written literature which may be adduced to even faintly support such report.

As may be expected, the Benin traditions (written or oral) certainly would not have missed the “golden opportunity” of incorporating such an event of imperial nature into its corpus had it ever occurred even slightly.

(4) Similar examples of such proven misrepresentations may be found in reports from Benin.

One interesting example of this is Roupell’s report of statements supposedly from Benin officials along the lines that Benin knew nothing about bronze casting prior to the Portuguese’s arrival in Africa.

This statement proves to be a misrepresentation (or at least an exaggeration of an actual statement) when the contrary vast and overwhelming indigenous accounts of Benin are considered.

Moreover, scientific dating techniques also place some (at least one that I’m aware of) Benin bronze to a date prior to the Portuguese’s arrival in Africa — thus also proving that this report is a misrepresentation (or at least an exaggeration of an actual received statement.

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In the light of the foregoing considerations which outrightly uncovers such reports as an exaggeration (or at least a misrepresentation) by the reporter, what then appears to have been the actual context which is supported by multiple independent reports is as follows:

During the wake of Oyo’s civil crisis (towards the end of its imperialism), Oyo did a number of military outsourcing to swell the size of its army in preparation for decisive engagements against a very large Ilorin army which comprises majorly of Oyo Islamic converts, of Fulanis, and of fugitive former Oyo-owned Hausa slaves.

The traditions of Oyo are extremely clear about such military outsourcings where it speaks of military allies from the Bariba country, as well as a report from Clapperton of some effort to outsource the Benin army for the same purposes.

These outsourcing efforts as may be expected would not have come free of charge on a plater of gold.

In fact, even at the the time of Oyo’s imperial rule, we read in Archibald Dalzel’s “The History of Dahomey, (1793)” that Oyo sometimes pays its allies to punish provincial rebellions on its behalf by military action and economic embargo.

An example of its payments to its “Lagos” ally in order to punish Badegree may be found on page 183 of the above-referenced material.

The King of “Lagos”, acting on behalf of Oyo (having received payments and more promises), prevented the Badagrees from receiving food supply from “Lagos”, while also taking many Badagrees as captives for its own use.

In the light of this background, payment to its allies for military engagement appears clearly to be the only explanation for the proven misrepresentation in this report.

This explanation gels with the fact of Oyo’s civil troubles which was prior to 1911.

This explanation gels with the pre-1911 Clapperton’s report on Oyo’s interest in enlisting its Benin allies among other allies to quell a large provincial rebellion.

This explanation gels with the absolute silence of such statements from the vast corpus of both Benin traditions and Oyo traditions.

Lastly, this explanation gels with the demographic absurdity consequent from the report.

Cheers!

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Gregyboy got banned for no reason, they are cowards

I would be replacing gregyboy if you dont see my comment know i got banned too unjustfuly


Etrusen
Etinosa1234
Samuk
Davidnazee

Luckyheart:
Source?

From the gods

If you need their references, you know what to do

At, 1804 obanosa was crowned the oba of benin

This is the history of obanosa known as prince osifo,

■While obanosa, was still prince osifo who was the son of oba akengbuda, prince osifo had a look alike both in age and appearance, osopa-kahrha who was a wizard, osopa-kahrha was the son of chief ahiye who was the esogban of benin he leaved at ugbague quarters present day benin city. Osopa-kahrha of the powerful benin witch coven, the witch coven was called eniwaren-ason elders of the night, oba akengbuda was the patron and his wife ose an esan queen who was the mother of osifo was the matron, this two dandies, prince osifo the ediaken n uselu and the osopa-kahrha of ugbague quarters in the city, hated each other for various reasons, osifo was said to have hated osopa-kahrha for his pretension attitudes his popularity, his guts his flamboyant lifestyle which he use to showoff, osopa-kahrha hated ediaken for hating his guts, and his flamboyant and trying to always restrict him from his various activities in the city of benin particularly trying every means to restrict his popularity in the city, benin city proved not to be large enough to accommodate these two people, prince osifo had promise several times when he got on an heated argument with osopa-kahrha that when he is made king he will have him killed, prince osifo was crowned obanosa the people nickname him obanosa(syking) he was known to be a very wise king, when he became the oba of benin, he disregarded the caution giving to him by his parents not to kill osopa-kahrha, he ordered for the death of osopa-kahrha the warlok
■The orders to kill the warlock osopa-kahrha by obanosa was inexcusable but perhaps understandable there was confirmed cases of osopa-kahrha proclaiming himself as oba-nason  the king of the night and he had  continued provocatively and demonstratively to match the oba of benin hehad further raised his stakes in his contest of the palace he had become the lover of the queen mother the iyoba ose the mother of obanosa in her palace at uselu, carrying out the orders to kill osopa-kahrha was matched streeet fighting with a great deal of bravado and dare devilry existed by both sides defeating osopa-kahrha troops became a mini civil war, in which it was said about five  thousand
Persons died the whole street adjoining ugbague
Quaters was permanently deserted the precursor of modern mission road in benin suffered the greatest despoliation and it became defunct  as earlier mentioned by Lt. R. O'shee map of benin city about 100yrs after the war showed no future for the then conquered mission road as the whole was still in ruins of the war,
After osopa-kahrha death one thing led to the other the monarch fell ill, and it was confirmed that his mother displeasure on osopa-kahrha death had caused the monarchs illness, and obanosa immediately ordered for her death, at her palace in uselu, using the same method used in displacing oba ohen from the throne, she was stoned to death, after her suuden death, quickly rushed to do her ritual burial rites so as not to get her soul lost in between life and death which afflicted lost soul
A few days after the death of his mother and successful completion of her burial rites, obanosa died vindicating osopa-kahrha warnings
       Oba no bi ekhue, kevbe ekhu, ero gba yowa
Meaning a hand that opens door, goes along with the direction the door goes to

I hope i dont get banned by yoruba mods for this




The title oba entered the yoruba lexicon through benin ventures into Eastern yoruba during its expansion, and soon diffused into all yorubas

There is a parable in owo, that says, just as the oba n' idu commands respect on earth olodumare commands respect in heaven
Despite interaction with eastern Yoruba they made a sizable contact with vast yoruba tribe too

Benins supplied the atilaries used in the yoruba civil war of late 1800

If we are to mention benin influence on vast yoruba land it will too numerous to mention


The yorubas always have the claim oromiyan came to establish the obaship stool on benin but when taken a deeper look into this history shows that it was a political staged myth of late 1800 after the benin invasion by the British, oba eweka11 sought monarchial help from the then ooni to help strengthening the political power of the edo people who was emerging from a devastating war that burnt down the city capital
You know the rest
The benin monarch accepted to be one of oduduwa son, in the hierarchy it was ooni first and oba of benin second, at these time alafin was still having superiority battle against the ooni, later when awolowo elevated the stool, the alafin subcumed and decided to stay at second displacing the oba to third position

So their argument on the ownership of the word oba has been defeated

It was mere politcs even the yoruba unification was not historical and ife was never thier ancestral town ife was a religious town to the yorubas


The title oba has bern in the yoruba lexicon as far
As 16century when benin expanded into their territory that would be 6centuries now
Despite the long age it has been in Yoruba lexicon it remains foreign to them

Imagine benin supplying yoruba warriors fighting atilaries, controlling their lands, giving them kings, controlling their market, just imagine how the title oba would sound to them


When the oba of benin was being taken to calabar by the British they had to cover his face to avoid uprise from both benin areas and non edo territorie

Note
Not until 1930 the ooni of ife used the word oba officially to adress is title letting go of the British sir in replacement of oba

He made a mistake of not foreseeing the end of the false political unification of benin people under yoruba umbrella he only saw the advantage of the name it would bring to his stool

He never proclaimed other yoruba monarchs to follow suit but automatically the other yoruba bought into adding oba to thier title

Note

Ogie is a title for duke only the oba of benin bears the title oba of benin

The question every tribe should ask yoruba is why do they adopt the word oba as a generic term for kingship when already is known to adress a popular monarch

I guess the answer can also be found in my writeup

Picture of one of the ooni holding an edo ceremonial sword wanting to mimic the benin stool, but i guess he later drooped it

samuk:
Below is what this Yoruba student of history claimed earlier in the thread. Hopefully he has saw the 1863 document that referenced Oba Adolo (Oba Ovonramwen's father).

You self you be winch, youre the man of the match in this thread bro

Even with their bannee

TAO12 is going to dig for more with her smelling pussy

TAO11:
@bandit900003,
Yes you’re right Benin had bronzes that were taken from it against its as a punishment for Benin’s atrocities — these Bronzes are therefore scattered in Museum around the world generating income for the higher power. If you find any Ife bronze outside the shores of Nigeria, it is there because we willingly let go of it

Now, back to the subject: The indigenous Bini word which represents the English word “king” is not “oba”.

“Oba” by all indication is a loanword into the Benin lexicon from the Yoruba language.

This explains why it has a relatable and relevant literal meaning in the Yoruba language — “the overlord”.

Afam4eva, macof, RedboneSmith, gomojam

To the yorubas oba means overlord, because wen benin ventured into yoruba land to conquer them, when they heard the word oba they quickly
Define it as overlord


To we benins tho it represents king in literal terms but in reality it means *shinning one*
Omo no ba nedo, the ones who shines for the edo people


It is a praise name that is the etymology

Ogie means royalty, Duke


Afam4eva macof TAO11 TAO12

TAO11:
Salves? You mean just as Aje from Ibadan ventured into Benin Kingdom and went on slave raiding for the Europeans?

Yes, this is according to the testimony from Benin Kingdom itself — not from the Yorubas.
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The sadder consequence of the event (which is a huge disgrace on you all) was that your slave daddies never seem to ever return home from slavery — They continued as slaves ad-infintum.

The mouth of coward is sharper than a two headed sword and the length of theier mouth is as long as the length of a sword

Yoruba are historical cowards who tend to perch on benin history to lay their nest

They are parasitic to we benins cutting them off means death to their history

They couldn't even make bronze artwork instead they purchased it from art merchant

I spit on their coward ancestors who sold themselves, and sold theid lands for penut


And they still gave their artworks to the Europeans for a bottle of alomo bitters

I would have love to spit on thier heads but my spit may do more harm than good

macof:
Listen anything with you from now should be supported with European texts
Your Ewuare, ozolua, eweka, Ewedo, etc are all myths

Therefore the current king of benin is ewuare I not ewuare II.. European texts don't mention ewuare I
Your entire oba dynasty didn't start with eweka but with ovonramwen
Unless you can provide texts that show ovonramwen succeeding his father who also held the title oba
You will provide European texts of Bini ever incorporating the delta-igbos, towns and cities in Ondo state into the so called Benin empire
Or where Europeans ever called Benin an empire

You have a lot of work cut out for you

Ok i agree it started with ovaremwen what changed

Does it makes oromiyan find the dynasty during ovaremwen reign


Sicko

Ni sense

If we are to use this same logic on your kings thsn thier stool would have beging 1900

Macof you need sleep

I believe is not yet time for the binis to have the artwork, if they can caterer for the ones the britsh left for us the we are good to go

It is noted after england were the largest proportion of the benin bronze is kept benin holds the second Largest propltion,


And what have they done with the second largest portion in their domain,

What about the benin moat, and other notable historical site, what about our dying language,

I belive the true blooded benins are now very few
The ones we have have been so mixed with inferior bloods from other tribe

So they think and act like their half blood


If we need the artworks so badly why not the oba of benin and the people of benin carry guns to those places their bronze are kept and collect it by force


See the way our oba was running to prince Charles the other day all for some petty talks on begging him to return the benin bronze

Just like ooni of ife running to Tinubu to leak his ass



If he had boycotted the meeting a greater message would have been sent

The benins we have today have been so diluted that they belittle themselves this is why i support
Marriage by ones tribe

Misplaced priorities

Abeg make them face Gelegele seaport jor

bandit90002:
1) When talking to me, don't say "you guys". I am not talking a group-speach, I am only expressing my actual thoughts.
2) Adress the content of what I said, stop with the "you guys are not thinking", remain in the plains of reality instead of whatever you are doing.

I have explained to you that Benin art can generate revenue for Benin city, Edo-state, delta-state, Lagos, onitscha... and also help to educate nigerians on history. Adress these arguments rather than going into superlatives and psychology and group talks.

if you would prefer the art to remain in the hands of britain, germany, america .... then say so and advance your arguments.
No need to be disrespectful and patronising to others. Say your arguments and let others say theirs, we don't have to always agree.

I made my point there,didn’t you see it you only focus on the part that annoyed you

Nigga you’re fantasizing ,wake up and smell the coffee

A white man would come all d way to a shithole to see an artwork wen Nigeria is number 2 on world terrorist countries

Lol

Abi is it fellow Nigerians that have not eaten that would come to see the artwork

Please you’re beginning to talk like tao11

macof:
Provide one source that mentions ewuare, esigie, orogbua or any of your so called warrior Kings during their so called reign

Lmao everything European that wrote essentially you believe you have no history without Europeans
What a muck

Very funny guy ,the European wrote points down which can guide us to the truth against the yorubas because if you use local intellect they will call it unfair

bandit90002:
here again, the illogical talk.

You see, one of the lessons Stallin learned from WW2 is that, you should never include assumptions of people's thoughts in your reasoning. That makes your reasoning to produse false results.
don't say: they are emotionally blinded. You are not a mind reader, talkless of a "group mind reader".
I advanced my agruments, adress those. Be logical in your speach.
And look at the disrespect, man you are not Albert Einstein, so calm yourself down. Let me tell you, i am most likely way smarter than you ever will be.

Emotional trauma bro wake up ,you ain’t thinking

You are just fantasizing

Wakeup