samuk:
Below is what this Yoruba student of history claimed earlier in the thread. Hopefully he has saw the 1863 document that referenced Oba Adolo (Oba Ovonramwen's father).

You self you be winch, youre the man of the match in this thread bro

Even with their bannee

TAO12 is going to dig for more with her smelling pussy

TAO11:
@bandit900003,
Yes you’re right Benin had bronzes that were taken from it against its as a punishment for Benin’s atrocities — these Bronzes are therefore scattered in Museum around the world generating income for the higher power. If you find any Ife bronze outside the shores of Nigeria, it is there because we willingly let go of it

Now, back to the subject: The indigenous Bini word which represents the English word “king” is not “oba”.

“Oba” by all indication is a loanword into the Benin lexicon from the Yoruba language.

This explains why it has a relatable and relevant literal meaning in the Yoruba language — “the overlord”.

Afam4eva, macof, RedboneSmith, gomojam

To the yorubas oba means overlord, because wen benin ventured into yoruba land to conquer them, when they heard the word oba they quickly
Define it as overlord


To we benins tho it represents king in literal terms but in reality it means *shinning one*
Omo no ba nedo, the ones who shines for the edo people


It is a praise name that is the etymology

Ogie means royalty, Duke


Afam4eva macof TAO11 TAO12

TAO11:
Salves? You mean just as Aje from Ibadan ventured into Benin Kingdom and went on slave raiding for the Europeans?

Yes, this is according to the testimony from Benin Kingdom itself — not from the Yorubas.
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The sadder consequence of the event (which is a huge disgrace on you all) was that your slave daddies never seem to ever return home from slavery — They continued as slaves ad-infintum.

The mouth of coward is sharper than a two headed sword and the length of theier mouth is as long as the length of a sword

Yoruba are historical cowards who tend to perch on benin history to lay their nest

They are parasitic to we benins cutting them off means death to their history

They couldn't even make bronze artwork instead they purchased it from art merchant

I spit on their coward ancestors who sold themselves, and sold theid lands for penut


And they still gave their artworks to the Europeans for a bottle of alomo bitters

I would have love to spit on thier heads but my spit may do more harm than good

macof:
Listen anything with you from now should be supported with European texts
Your Ewuare, ozolua, eweka, Ewedo, etc are all myths

Therefore the current king of benin is ewuare I not ewuare II.. European texts don't mention ewuare I
Your entire oba dynasty didn't start with eweka but with ovonramwen
Unless you can provide texts that show ovonramwen succeeding his father who also held the title oba
You will provide European texts of Bini ever incorporating the delta-igbos, towns and cities in Ondo state into the so called Benin empire
Or where Europeans ever called Benin an empire

You have a lot of work cut out for you

Ok i agree it started with ovaremwen what changed

Does it makes oromiyan find the dynasty during ovaremwen reign


Sicko

Ni sense

If we are to use this same logic on your kings thsn thier stool would have beging 1900

Macof you need sleep

I believe is not yet time for the binis to have the artwork, if they can caterer for the ones the britsh left for us the we are good to go

It is noted after england were the largest proportion of the benin bronze is kept benin holds the second Largest propltion,


And what have they done with the second largest portion in their domain,

What about the benin moat, and other notable historical site, what about our dying language,

I belive the true blooded benins are now very few
The ones we have have been so mixed with inferior bloods from other tribe

So they think and act like their half blood


If we need the artworks so badly why not the oba of benin and the people of benin carry guns to those places their bronze are kept and collect it by force


See the way our oba was running to prince Charles the other day all for some petty talks on begging him to return the benin bronze

Just like ooni of ife running to Tinubu to leak his ass



If he had boycotted the meeting a greater message would have been sent

The benins we have today have been so diluted that they belittle themselves this is why i support
Marriage by ones tribe

Misplaced priorities

Abeg make them face Gelegele seaport jor

bandit90002:

1) When talking to me, don't say "you guys". I am not talking a group-speach, I am only expressing my actual thoughts.
2) Adress the content of what I said, stop with the "you guys are not thinking", remain in the plains of reality instead of whatever you are doing.

I have explained to you that Benin art can generate revenue for Benin city, Edo-state, delta-state, Lagos, onitscha... and also help to educate nigerians on history. Adress these arguments rather than going into superlatives and psychology and group talks.

if you would prefer the art to remain in the hands of britain, germany, america .... then say so and advance your arguments.
No need to be disrespectful and patronising to others. Say your arguments and let others say theirs, we don't have to always agree.

I made my point there,didn’t you see it you only focus on the part that annoyed you

Nigga you’re fantasizing ,wake up and smell the coffee

A white man would come all d way to a shithole to see an artwork wen Nigeria is number 2 on world terrorist countries

Lol

Abi is it fellow Nigerians that have not eaten that would come to see the artwork

Please you’re beginning to talk like tao11

macof:

Provide one source that mentions ewuare, esigie, orogbua or any of your so called warrior Kings during their so called reign

Lmao everything European that wrote essentially you believe you have no history without Europeans
What a muck

Very funny guy ,the European wrote points down which can guide us to the truth against the yorubas because if you use local intellect they will call it unfair

bandit90002:

here again, the illogical talk.

You see, one of the lessons Stallin learned from WW2 is that, you should never include assumptions of people's thoughts in your reasoning. That makes your reasoning to produse false results.
don't say: they are emotionally blinded. You are not a mind reader, talkless of a "group mind reader".
I advanced my agruments, adress those. Be logical in your speach.
And look at the disrespect, man you are not Albert Einstein, so calm yourself down. Let me tell you, i am most likely way smarter than you ever will be.

Emotional trauma bro wake up ,you ain’t thinking

You are just fantasizing

Wakeup

macof:

Provide one source that mentions ewuare, esigie, orogbua or any of your so called warrior Kings during their so called reign

Lmao everything European that wrote essentially you believe you have no history without Europeans
What a muck

And if you make provide it ,I bet you would pay me 10k since you believe they didn’t

Are you ready to pay it

I will drop my account details

Afonja

Samuel was banned the pE guy was banned too
And we are all Benin’s


Does this bann mean tao12 has been saying rubbish


Samuel post your screenshot of your banned


Peguy was banned for helping smuk drop the screenshot that mention the king of Benin as oba 1863 he was banned for dropping his evidence


Lol,yorubas can’t even get hold of their cowardice for a debate

I was banned too

If the Benin’s can maintain the moat around Benin then they would be ready to have their bronze artwork back

Or else they are just emotionally blind with stupidity

bandit90002:


I think, they will be well maintained if returned to the rightful owner, the Oba of Benin.
Also, they will generate revenue from tourism (they have generated a lot of revenue for the europeans and americans).
The artefacts will also serve to educate nigerians in history. God knows nigerians are very bad at history, even nigerian professors of history are bad at it.

Why do you guys think with the first thought that comes from your brain

You guys seem to underestimate corruptions



My Benin brothers you guys can think better,our ancestor were thinkers that’s why they could build an empire

You guys are not thinking beyond what you see


That same artwork if left to Europe till wen we are ready to have it back would generate money for us if loaned to them
But wen we have it nigeria ,maybe the first two years people would come see it and after those years,we will be paying more to maintain than the profit we make

Who wants to come to edo as terrible as the raid is just to see an artwork,


Please

Am yet to even lay governmental instability

macof:

LOL. Same way Oba ewuare, esigie, orogbua or whatever his name is are all fairytales
The story of your orogbua founding a coastal community in Lagos is a fairly tale

Just as no King of Benin was known as oba before ovonramwen

I should have known this is another Gregyboy account. One guy 4 accounts active on the same thread

So the Europeans who wrote about oroogbua saw fairytales too lol all yorubas have gone mad

macof:


Common sense should have also told you that since Oranmiyan was the first person known as Ọba in Benin, and the nobles of his kingdom Ife held the title "Oba" eg. Oba Idio, Oba Iwinrin, Oba Ejio etc before he was even born, this word must be a Yoruba word

Oromiyan in Benin are you high.....

Can you prove this with European text or achaeological record


And also prove oromiyan was ever from ife with
Records

edego2up:

Rome was not build in a day, one step at a time.Nigera/Africans should learn to plan ahead, once gotten it's gotten.change your mindset, learn to be on the progressive not a retrogressive

Progressive were ,you think I don’t want it back


Take a look at the moat couldn’t take ,just take a look at the maintainabce


Then come back and clean this rubbish

Stop thinking with emotions bro,start thinking with the head

Oba and the powerful wizard osopa-kahrha(the okp

At, 1804 obanosa was crowned the oba of benin

This is the history of obanosa known as prince osifo,

■While obanosa, was still prince osifo who was the son of oba akengbuda, prince osifo had a look alike both in age and appearance, osopa-kahrha who was a wizard, osopa-kahrha was the son of chief ahiye who was the esogban of benin he leaved at ugbague quarters present day benin city. Osopa-kahrha of the powerful benin witch coven, the witch coven was called eniwaren-ason elders of the night, oba akengbuda was the patron and his wife ose an esan queen who was the mother of osifo was the matron, this two dandies, prince osifo the ediaken n uselu and the osopa-kahrha of ugbague quarters in the city, hated each other for various reasons, osifo was said to have hated osopa-kahrha for his pretension attitudes his popularity, his guts his flamboyant lifestyle which he use to showoff, osopa-kahrha hated ediaken for hating his guts, and his flamboyant and trying to always restrict him from his various activities in the city of benin particularly trying every means to restrict his popularity in the city, benin city proved not to be large enough to accommodate these two people, prince osifo had promise several times when he got on an heated argument with osopa-kahrha that when he is made king he will have him killed, prince osifo was crowned obanosa the people nickname him obanosa(syking) he was known to be a very wise king, when he became the oba of benin, he disregarded the caution giving to him by his parents not to kill osopa-kahrha, he ordered for the death of osopa-kahrha the warlok
■The orders to kill the warlock osopa-kahrha by obanosa was inexcusable but perhaps understandable there was confirmed cases of osopa-kahrha proclaiming himself as oba-nason  the king of the night and he had  continued provocatively and demonstratively to match the oba of benin hehad further raised his stakes in his contest of the palace he had become the lover of the queen mother the iyoba ose the mother of obanosa in her palace at uselu, carrying out the orders to kill osopa-kahrha was matched streeet fighting with a great deal of bravado and dare devilry existed by both sides defeating osopa-kahrha troops became a mini civil war, in which it was said about five  thousand
Persons died the whole street adjoining ugbague
Quaters was permanently deserted the precursor of modern mission road in benin suffered the greatest despoliation and it became defunct  as earlier mentioned by Lt. R. O'shee map of benin city about 100yrs after the war showed no future for the then conquered mission road as the whole was still in ruins of the war,
After osopa-kahrha death one thing led to the other the monarch fell ill, and it was confirmed that his mother displeasure on osopa-kahrha death had caused the monarchs illness, and obanosa immediately ordered for her death, at her palace in uselu, using the same method used in displacing oba ohen from the throne, she was stoned to death, after her suuden death, quickly rushed to do her ritual burial rites so as not to get her soul lost in between life and death which afflicted lost soul
A few days after the death of his mother and successful completion of her burial rites, obanosa died vindicating osopa-kahrha warnings
Oba no bi ekhue, kevbe ekhu, ero gba yowa
Meaning a hand that opens door, goes along with the direction the door goes to


https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.edoworld.net/Oba_Obanosa.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiSrZm0m6DtAhUP-qQKHWSqAqgQFjAGegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3dwm5Mm4tyAg3r1qMV0-X1

One thing i know is biden would be a puppet

Something told me the devil left nigeria during the pandemic lockdown and relocated to the United state
And since he has been there it has been pademic, blacklivesmatter, to election rigging

Its funny the devil took private jet to Nigeria during the endsars to stop nigerians from getting freedom from his grip

Anyway we move

Religion self na scam but i rather die with my ancestral religion than die with a foreign religion as a benin man

samuk:


Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; “Africa and Its Inhabitants”, Vol. II., Published 1899, p.265.

https://archive.org/details/africaitsinhabit02recl/page/264/mode/2up

is this the link you are looking for?

The archive is extensive and bound to contain something on early Oba of Benin. TAO11 is not going to be very happy.

Have seen it nothing special nigeria was already formed already at 1899 it was just 15yrs before amalgamation

And the world oba had already had recognition from the benin influence

So they already adopted it as a generic name disregarding the other yoruba generic names

Afam4eva
RedboneSmith

TAO11:
Haha! See pains ...

(1). Dumb samuk on page 2 of this thread:
(a) Yoruba monarchs never used Oba “UnTiL tHe 1 9 0 0s”.

(b) Benin have “6 0 0 yEaRs” old “wRiTtEn ReCoRdS“ of using “Oba” for its monarchs.

(2). Me:
(a) Debunks (a) with written evidence from 1899, from 1897, from c.1867, from 1845, etc.

(b) Can we see only one of these [b]6 0 0 yEaRs” old bEniN wRiTtEn ReCoRdS — or a mere 121 years old record of such use ?? Thanks!

(3). Dumb samuk on page 12 of same thread:
The only thing that you Yorubas have is “Oba” in pre-1900 written records. That is not what matters. Your Yoruba history just began when our bEnIn eMpiRe was ending. Benin is the greatest thing after Jollof rice. We will not take this nonsense. €~%|?|£\ €|£|€~%|!~£~¥}•{=\£]!|. M13\#{^~£~ £\¥•[=]\€{!.’c}*}=#+[€]>|!’. |>|££¥[}^+=£><|_,?’m•¥£\<}^+,!.’••_|,!’’’!.?|€|•{=]^#>|?.!\_[|!|€€~+}€}!#¥%!

4. Me:
Oya sorry now!
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12300045_1180859311783653img20190722154954jpegb78bac5c83a42178910da3de9aa62adbjpegjpeg9cfba2c96c509f82646e09ea44461ee6_jpeg_jpegd2120de126612f0fe3ddadd01b9c1d3b

cc: macof, LegendHero, Julismalema, Afam4eva, gomojam, scoles0

Stop using samuk to escape my question present me what i requested

How many people viewing the threads and hoe many likes are coming out


Is TAO11 now so desperate to be giving her self likes

TAO11:
Fraud Alert !!!

This unusual comment is in order to safeguard the unsuspecting readers from the unending fraud of the unrepentant Bini crooks — one fraudulent example of which may be seen in the foregoing comment above me.

In case someone is viewing only this page, please note that the intended reference by @macof is as shown below, and not as fraudulently emphasized in the foregoing comment above me:

Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; “Africa and Its Inhabitants”, Vol. II., Published 1899, p.265.

In other words, the actual word is ”Africa”, and not ”The Earth”.

Also, the volume is 2 and not 12 as fraudulently depicted in the foregoing comment above.

See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12739535_9b3e04d2d5374d11a7f84d641006825e_jpeg_jpeg765d67574ea5986b928d6b5c862c0b9e

See also my comment found here, among other places for my consistent referencing.
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In any case, his attempted fraud and straw-man would not have made any difference, even if it was to be left unexposed, since we have already seen even a more specific usage of “oba” for the Yoruba monarch of Owu in a publication of as early as 1845 as seen in my comment here, as well as other references.

Yet, we haven’t seen even an atom of pRe-1900 wRiTtEn eViDeNcE from these deluded Binis’. Amazing! Isn’t it?!

Peace!
cc: Afam4eva, Juliusmalema

I knew you had inflicted isanity into the young boy macof, inother to hide the truth he gave me a wrong referencing


If elisée wrote that book 1899,i want to know did elisée visit africa if no, how did she know the word obba, did she visit Yorubaland who did she hear it from

Or probably she guessed the kings around nigeria region would be called obba since there is a powerful king like oba of benin in nigeria

If she visited Africa let us know and if she didnt, then on which persons account did she writeon


Note
at 1899,yorubas were still divided culturally for them to use a common word for king



Samuel johson works was published in 1921 and you dare reference it to me,

I want to see the the referencing you gave on 1845

You dont just post rubbish referencing and expect us to swallow it, without cognitive reasoning

Macof, Sewgon79


Come help her.......

They should bs arrested

macof:


TAO11, I told you this miscreants have no sense and are beyond educating

Just look at this mess of a comment that they all liked this is the level of intelligence of 4 of the most active Bini persons on this forum oh man

@Edeyoung, this exact piece of shiit you call a response is similar to the nonsense you posted before with your other moniker Gregyboy or whatever, but this is even dumber

1. There's no "French Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; The earth and Its Inhabitants, Vol. 12, Published 1882, p.265"
What an uneducated clout
The French has a totally different citation structure
You don't just slam "French" to the beginning of my citation and think you have changed everything

And there is no revised version, there is only re-editing, hence the several Volumes. And you already mentioned the 12th Volume from 1882, so what's the idea of your emphasis on the year 1899 as if there isn't already the one you've seen which I shared from 1882
Which by the way isn't the first publication but 12th

2. "Probably.." "my stance.." , "do you know why.." "I would bet.."
Such an uneducated fellow.
Provide documented evidence not probability, stances and imaginative Did you knows

As documented evidence has shown Yoruba Kings refered to as Ọba since at least the mid 19th century not 1930

You see evidence you still want to bet against yourself what a clown

3. If all the examples you mentioned like deji, owatapa etc are generic why are they specific to those Kings? or you don't know what generic means
How many times will they tell you that these are styled titles specific to that particular king.. Reason you don't have 10 Dejis running 10 kingdoms or 16 Owatapa running 16 different kingdoms

They've told you this but you get coconut head
Anyway if you can say your omonoba is a liar for saying his ancestor is Oranmiyan, your case is like pouring water into a basket


4. Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; The earth and Its Inhabitants, Vol. 12, Published 1882, p.265
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12712594_20201120li_jpeg669beaef00c457b182431ec02a16e2d9
That is published in 1882, read it again 1882
Therefore fulfilling your very first request to provide a pre-1900s documentation of the word "oba" in reference to King by Yorubas

And none of the volumes of "the earth and its inhabitants" are mere translations, they are editions
Each standing on its own as a valid source material or documented evidence
Chai, to skip school no good o

And who's she?

You make me laugh tagging me gregyboy i see the transgendered inside your head,

I actually got the book and anyone who cares to look and confirmed will see that there was nothing on that page.....
I bet you're yet to search yourself too

Anyway,


Why don't both of you drop the direct link to were we can download the volume 12 that i cant find on net,


Maybe i downloaded the wrong one, so get your shemal€ to send a direct link on were she got her imaginary, 1886 vol 12 book from, abi is this one of yoruba hallucinations


Kabeysi is not specific is it,


And if three people are bearing such title like olu this tells you the title is not unique again but generic


So the word oba is not unique to benin monarchy before the yoruba adopted it to be generic

Madman,

Macof aka TAO11

Thanks

Sewgon79:


Tell me another lies, cuz I am tired of all your fabricated story. I guess you want to tell another tales by the moon light of How Benin conquered Ìjèbu. Because there is no history of any Niggadom that any black empire or kingdom wage war and conquered Ìjèbu. Even in those days when Oyo and Ibadan was very large. They try so many times, but never move close. Because Ìjèbu in history of Yoruba are warriors and they are for hired to fight wars on behalf of Ọ̀yọ́ empire. Even to the extent Portuguese and Britain use services of Balogun Kuku of Ìjèbuland in 1500 - 1600.

Check your story, even British comes and were conquer and they have to go and recruit more soldiers from Hausa local and Ashanti local soldiers to fight Ìjèbu. It is called IMAGBON WAR.

Google and you will see what happens, they have to agree on Ìjèbu leaving Epe for the colony. That is reason we don't have colonialism rail services and tired road during colonialism Era.

Ìjèbuland don't even come close.

Check this out


Gregyboy

TAO11:
Will you bundle your ragtag, frail, sickling self out of here and go bury your head in books!? Nonsense!

You have a yet unmet burden of proof to provide a pre-1900s written evidence which shows “oba” for the Benin monarch.

You caused yourself this trouble by seeking a similar evidence from me — which I have met time and time again on this same thread.

I have the right to mock your agitated brother as I have sarcastically done above; even though I’m aware that I have no burden of proof whatsoever, you do.

This is the actual issue. You have to stop the distractive tactic. It has not helped you at any point all along, despite your attempts.

I can also confidently assure you that it will not help you at any time on this thread. Help yourself by meeting your own burden of proof!

We are waiting!

cc: Afam4eva, macof, scholes0, Juliusmalema



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PS on the distractive comment about the “Ife-Benin Connection” of which you all have lately chosen to live in denial:

See the first screenshot below one more time, and go figure what your king was doing in ancient Ife’s archaeological deposit — especially in an interesting site.

~ This screenshot is taken from:
S.P. Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300”, Cambridge University Press, 2015, p.213.

A free full-access digital copy of this work is not readily available online as of yet, only a free preview copy with limited content is currently available online.
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See also the two following screenshots of an ancient Ife’s terra-cotta head produced obviously in the ‘Benin style’, and come tell us more about how the ancient connection never existed. Lol!

~ These screenshots are taken from:
[url=https://collections.si.edu/search/results.htm?q=%22Ife+terracottas%22]The Smithsonian Institution’s Online Collections[/url].
Click it!

These two images of the terra-cotta head (among others) — as well as images of some popular ancient Ife ‘bronze’ heads — all entered into this institution’s collections sometimes between 1981 and 1994.

My two different search


Oba of benin sculpture found in ife no picture surfaced, i begin to wonder is biller now mad or so desperate to link benin to ife to sell her book by making false claims or is it TAO11 the benin-ife desperado

Third goggle search, false ooni of ife sculpture found in oba palace and a picture surface



The last picture shows the benin queen mothers head was recently made around 1980


Afam4eva TAO11, TAO12, samuk, macof, Etinosa1234

TAO11:
Distractive Super Story!

Everyone is waiting for your Benin evidence of the actual “oba” issue at hand — in line with your claims.

cc: Afam4eva, RedboneSmith, macof, scholes0, juliusmalema


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PS on the distractive comment about the “Ife-Benin Connection” of which you all have lately chosen to live in denial:

See the first screenshot below one more time, and go figure what your king was doing in ancient Ife’s archaeological deposit — especially in an interesting site.

~ This screenshot is taken from:
S.P. Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300”, Cambridge University Press, 2015, p.213.

A free full-access digital copy of this work is not readily available online as of yet, only a free preview copy with limited content is currently available online.
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See also the two following screenshots of an ancient Ife’s early terra-cotta head produced obviously in the ‘Benin style’, and come tell us more about how the ancient connection never existed. Lol!

~ These screenshots are taken from:
[url=https://collections.si.edu/search/results.htm?q=%22Ife+terracottas%22]The Smithsonian Institution’s Online Collections[/url].
Click it!

These two images of a terra-cotta head (among others) — as well as images of some popular ancient Ife ‘bronze’ heads — all entered into this institution’s collections sometimes between 1981 and 1994.

Can you send down the pdf of the[/b] Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300 by Suzanne Preston Blier


From what i can see on goggle you have to pay for the book to get it from amazon, you definitely used research gate, probably your school details in the us,

Anyway please share the pdf here lets download it, or atleast give us screenshot of pages from the pdf that would help



Let me start discrediting


That benin sculpture was madd in the 17c, after the Europeans had arrived benin. Centuries longago, but, how the Europeans managed to skip benin-ife relationships on their writeup at 17 century is my biggest imagination on earth
They mentioned benin-owo, benin-itskeri, benin-jebbu, benin-eko and so many other yorubas but they managed to skip benin-ife even when they shared sculpture... Lol something smell fishy dont you think... TAO11 the benin obsessed retard lady


That sculpture is only found in two places benin and owo biller is probably mistaken owo as ife...

If it was found in this century or the last definitely it would be in the nigeria museum, just like that false ooni of ife copper found in the benin palace
It would have stampings to were it was found and the mesuem it is now allocated to

Do you have those viable details to backup the sculpture really came out from ife......



Again for the second pics the terracotta seems to be newly made around late last century 1981


I need every detail possible to ascertain that sculpture was gotten from ife definitely blier was not there when the sculpture was dugged she could be told false information to promote benin-ife lies for supiority sake, so were did blier get are information and did she verify the sculpture was really dugged from ife instetof benin or owo


Afam4eva, macof TAO11, Etinosa1234, valirex, samuk, AreaFada2

samuk:


You can't choose and pick which account that suits you. I provided about 22 references that reported the trial/events and as you can seen, several people reported on the trial. You have only provided one report without citing your sources.

Are you now claiming that Oba Ovonramwen was also not oba in the 1897, after earlier stating that you are not disputing that Benin used the word Oba in the 1800s Make up your mind. Haven't agreed that there are documented evidence that referenced oba of Benin in th 1800s, I was expecting you to demand for 1700s and earlier and stop trying to be clever by half.

After admitting that there are documented evidence of Benin using the word Oba in the 1800s, there was really no need to then supply you documented evidence for what you already admitted to. I only did it because of those you are trying to Deceive.

Smart

Afam4eva RedboneSmith macof and the others i hope you will follow this thread with absolute caution,

They are claims and counter claims, the thread will surely end when the other parties is in a deadlock so dont perch your tent yet keep the fingers crossed


TAO11 said benins never used the word oba and it was originally that of the yorubas with some fake reference to a Yoruba scholar samuel johnson who used the word oba because he new how recognize it is to the Europeans because of benin influence, he decided to use it as a generic term for kingship in his book neglecting other generic words for king in Yoruba land

Here is a screenshot of the word oba used in the trial of the oba of benin in 1897

The red underline is the word obaseki spelt abbaseki by the British

Obaski is the greatgrand father of the pressnt governor of edo state

The meaning of the word obaski means, the king is greater than a market


This showed that the word oba was in used by the benin in 1800,
But why wasnt the word oba use in the European text to represent king, probably the full title of the oba would be difficult to write or probably to make explanations easier in their text they just skipped is title and put king instead


My stance remain samuel. J was the first yoruba person on earth to refer to all yoruba kings as oba, first of all at the time he was writing yoruba were not historically united, not to say coming together by themselves to form a generic name for kings, Samuel j probably used the word oba as a generic word for king to yoruba kings to promote his book to already familiar European people with the word oba

macof:
As far as Bini miscreant logic always goes, if there is no documented evidence it does not exist. Therefore absence of pre-1900s documentation of Bini use of the word "oba" means..The King of Benin only recently became known as Ọba of Benin after copying the Yorubas

Please argue with your Google search board not me

This will really pepper them

Lol, i agree but what was the name oba was called atleast the Europeans should have written it original name

TAO11:
DISTRACTIVE SUPER STORIES!! Face your burden below:

(1) Where is the evidence for your claim that written evidence exists going back “600 years” ago showing the use of “oba” in relation to Benin monarchy??

(2) Your requested 1800s written evidence from Yoruba has been provided.

Now don’t be a hypocrite in addition to being an illiterate. You have to be man enough to meet the standard which you yourself have set.

Provide us an 1800s written document from Benin — before then substantiating your own claim of “600 years” ago.

We are waiting!
cc: Afam4eva

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PS: Lest I forget the Ife-Benin Connection (which you’re dead-scared of), refer to the attached screenshot of an archaeological evidence of a ‘bronze’ plaque depicting your Oba. It was recovered from an old slave-quarters at Ife.

Any right thinking Bini would for once have asked himself what his king was doing in ancient Ife’s archaeological deposit. But unfortunately, I ain’t dealing with a right-thinking person at the moment.

Please give me link to that site of that picture on the oba of benin artwork


Afam4eva
RedboneSmith


Please help me beg help me to give me the link