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macof:
Provide one source that mentions ewuare, esigie, orogbua or any of your so called warrior Kings during their so called reign

Lmao everything European that wrote essentially you believe you have no history without Europeans
What a muck

And if you make provide it ,I bet you would pay me 10k since you believe they didn’t

Are you ready to pay it

I will drop my account details

Afonja

Samuel was banned the pE guy was banned too
And we are all Benin’s


Does this bann mean tao12 has been saying rubbish


Samuel post your screenshot of your banned


Peguy was banned for helping smuk drop the screenshot that mention the king of Benin as oba 1863 he was banned for dropping his evidence


Lol,yorubas can’t even get hold of their cowardice for a debate

I was banned too

If the Benin’s can maintain the moat around Benin then they would be ready to have their bronze artwork back

Or else they are just emotionally blind with stupidity

bandit90002:
I think, they will be well maintained if returned to the rightful owner, the Oba of Benin.
Also, they will generate revenue from tourism (they have generated a lot of revenue for the europeans and americans).
The artefacts will also serve to educate nigerians in history. God knows nigerians are very bad at history, even nigerian professors of history are bad at it.

Why do you guys think with the first thought that comes from your brain

You guys seem to underestimate corruptions



My Benin brothers you guys can think better,our ancestor were thinkers that’s why they could build an empire

You guys are not thinking beyond what you see


That same artwork if left to Europe till wen we are ready to have it back would generate money for us if loaned to them
But wen we have it nigeria ,maybe the first two years people would come see it and after those years,we will be paying more to maintain than the profit we make

Who wants to come to edo as terrible as the raid is just to see an artwork,


Please

Am yet to even lay governmental instability

macof:
LOL. Same way Oba ewuare, esigie, orogbua or whatever his name is are all fairytales
The story of your orogbua founding a coastal community in Lagos is a fairly tale

Just as no King of Benin was known as oba before ovonramwen

I should have known this is another Gregyboy account. One guy 4 accounts active on the same thread

So the Europeans who wrote about oroogbua saw fairytales too lol all yorubas have gone mad

macof:
Common sense should have also told you that since Oranmiyan was the first person known as Ọba in Benin, and the nobles of his kingdom Ife held the title "Oba" eg. Oba Idio, Oba Iwinrin, Oba Ejio etc before he was even born, this word must be a Yoruba word

Oromiyan in Benin are you high.....

Can you prove this with European text or achaeological record


And also prove oromiyan was ever from ife with
Records

edego2up:
Rome was not build in a day, one step at a time.Nigera/Africans should learn to plan ahead, once gotten it's gotten.change your mindset, learn to be on the progressive not a retrogressive

Progressive were ,you think I don’t want it back


Take a look at the moat couldn’t take ,just take a look at the maintainabce


Then come back and clean this rubbish

Stop thinking with emotions bro,start thinking with the head

Oba and the powerful wizard osopa-kahrha(the okp

At, 1804 obanosa was crowned the oba of benin

This is the history of obanosa known as prince osifo,

■While obanosa, was still prince osifo who was the son of oba akengbuda, prince osifo had a look alike both in age and appearance, osopa-kahrha who was a wizard, osopa-kahrha was the son of chief ahiye who was the esogban of benin he leaved at ugbague quarters present day benin city. Osopa-kahrha of the powerful benin witch coven, the witch coven was called eniwaren-ason elders of the night, oba akengbuda was the patron and his wife ose an esan queen who was the mother of osifo was the matron, this two dandies, prince osifo the ediaken n uselu and the osopa-kahrha of ugbague quarters in the city, hated each other for various reasons, osifo was said to have hated osopa-kahrha for his pretension attitudes his popularity, his guts his flamboyant lifestyle which he use to showoff, osopa-kahrha hated ediaken for hating his guts, and his flamboyant and trying to always restrict him from his various activities in the city of benin particularly trying every means to restrict his popularity in the city, benin city proved not to be large enough to accommodate these two people, prince osifo had promise several times when he got on an heated argument with osopa-kahrha that when he is made king he will have him killed, prince osifo was crowned obanosa the people nickname him obanosa(syking) he was known to be a very wise king, when he became the oba of benin, he disregarded the caution giving to him by his parents not to kill osopa-kahrha, he ordered for the death of osopa-kahrha the warlok
■The orders to kill the warlock osopa-kahrha by obanosa was inexcusable but perhaps understandable there was confirmed cases of osopa-kahrha proclaiming himself as oba-nason  the king of the night and he had  continued provocatively and demonstratively to match the oba of benin hehad further raised his stakes in his contest of the palace he had become the lover of the queen mother the iyoba ose the mother of obanosa in her palace at uselu, carrying out the orders to kill osopa-kahrha was matched streeet fighting with a great deal of bravado and dare devilry existed by both sides defeating osopa-kahrha troops became a mini civil war, in which it was said about five  thousand
Persons died the whole street adjoining ugbague
Quaters was permanently deserted the precursor of modern mission road in benin suffered the greatest despoliation and it became defunct  as earlier mentioned by Lt. R. O'shee map of benin city about 100yrs after the war showed no future for the then conquered mission road as the whole was still in ruins of the war,
After osopa-kahrha death one thing led to the other the monarch fell ill, and it was confirmed that his mother displeasure on osopa-kahrha death had caused the monarchs illness, and obanosa immediately ordered for her death, at her palace in uselu, using the same method used in displacing oba ohen from the throne, she was stoned to death, after her suuden death, quickly rushed to do her ritual burial rites so as not to get her soul lost in between life and death which afflicted lost soul
A few days after the death of his mother and successful completion of her burial rites, obanosa died vindicating osopa-kahrha warnings
Oba no bi ekhue, kevbe ekhu, ero gba yowa
Meaning a hand that opens door, goes along with the direction the door goes to


https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.edoworld.net/Oba_Obanosa.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiSrZm0m6DtAhUP-qQKHWSqAqgQFjAGegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3dwm5Mm4tyAg3r1qMV0-X1

One thing i know is biden would be a puppet

Something told me the devil left nigeria during the pandemic lockdown and relocated to the United state
And since he has been there it has been pademic, blacklivesmatter, to election rigging

Its funny the devil took private jet to Nigeria during the endsars to stop nigerians from getting freedom from his grip

Anyway we move

Religion self na scam but i rather die with my ancestral religion than die with a foreign religion as a benin man

samuk:
Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; “Africa and Its Inhabitants”, Vol. II., Published 1899, p.265.

https://archive.org/details/africaitsinhabit02recl/page/264/mode/2up

is this the link you are looking for?

The archive is extensive and bound to contain something on early Oba of Benin. TAO11 is not going to be very happy.

Have seen it nothing special nigeria was already formed already at 1899 it was just 15yrs before amalgamation

And the world oba had already had recognition from the benin influence

So they already adopted it as a generic name disregarding the other yoruba generic names

Afam4eva
RedboneSmith

TAO11:
Haha! See pains ...

(1). Dumb samuk on page 2 of this thread:
(a) Yoruba monarchs never used Oba “UnTiL tHe 1 9 0 0s”.

(b) Benin have “6 0 0 yEaRs” old “wRiTtEn ReCoRdS“ of using “Oba” for its monarchs.

(2). Me:
(a) Debunks (a) with written evidence from 1899, from 1897, from c.1867, from 1845, etc.

(b) Can we see only one of these [b]6 0 0 yEaRs” old bEniN wRiTtEn ReCoRdS — or a mere 121 years old record of such use ?? Thanks!

(3). Dumb samuk on page 12 of same thread:
The only thing that you Yorubas have is “Oba” in pre-1900 written records. That is not what matters. Your Yoruba history just began when our bEnIn eMpiRe was ending. Benin is the greatest thing after Jollof rice. We will not take this nonsense. €~%|?|£\ €|£|€~%|!~£~¥}•{=\£]!|. M13\#{^~£~ £\¥•[=]\€{!.’c}*}=#+[€]>|!’. |>|££¥[}^+=£><|_,?’m•¥£\<}^+,!.’••_|,!’’’!.?|€|•{=]^#>|?.!\_[|!|€€~+}€}!#¥%!

4. Me:
Oya sorry now!
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12300045_1180859311783653img20190722154954jpegb78bac5c83a42178910da3de9aa62adbjpegjpeg9cfba2c96c509f82646e09ea44461ee6_jpeg_jpegd2120de126612f0fe3ddadd01b9c1d3b

cc: macof, LegendHero, Julismalema, Afam4eva, gomojam, scoles0

Stop using samuk to escape my question present me what i requested

How many people viewing the threads and hoe many likes are coming out


Is TAO11 now so desperate to be giving her self likes

TAO11:
Fraud Alert !!!

This unusual comment is in order to safeguard the unsuspecting readers from the unending fraud of the unrepentant Bini crooks — one fraudulent example of which may be seen in the foregoing comment above me.

In case someone is viewing only this page, please note that the intended reference by @macof is as shown below, and not as fraudulently emphasized in the foregoing comment above me:

Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; “Africa and Its Inhabitants”, Vol. II., Published 1899, p.265.

In other words, the actual word is ”Africa”, and not ”The Earth”.

Also, the volume is 2 and not 12 as fraudulently depicted in the foregoing comment above.

See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12739535_9b3e04d2d5374d11a7f84d641006825e_jpeg_jpeg765d67574ea5986b928d6b5c862c0b9e

See also my comment found here, among other places for my consistent referencing.
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In any case, his attempted fraud and straw-man would not have made any difference, even if it was to be left unexposed, since we have already seen even a more specific usage of “oba” for the Yoruba monarch of Owu in a publication of as early as 1845 as seen in my comment here, as well as other references.

Yet, we haven’t seen even an atom of pRe-1900 wRiTtEn eViDeNcE from these deluded Binis’. Amazing! Isn’t it?!

Peace!
cc: Afam4eva, Juliusmalema

I knew you had inflicted isanity into the young boy macof, inother to hide the truth he gave me a wrong referencing


If elisée wrote that book 1899,i want to know did elisée visit africa if no, how did she know the word obba, did she visit Yorubaland who did she hear it from

Or probably she guessed the kings around nigeria region would be called obba since there is a powerful king like oba of benin in nigeria

If she visited Africa let us know and if she didnt, then on which persons account did she writeon


Note
at 1899,yorubas were still divided culturally for them to use a common word for king



Samuel johson works was published in 1921 and you dare reference it to me,

I want to see the the referencing you gave on 1845

You dont just post rubbish referencing and expect us to swallow it, without cognitive reasoning

Macof, Sewgon79


Come help her.......

They should bs arrested

macof:
TAO11, I told you this miscreants have no sense and are beyond educating

Just look at this mess of a comment that they all liked this is the level of intelligence of 4 of the most active Bini persons on this forum oh man

@Edeyoung, this exact piece of shiit you call a response is similar to the nonsense you posted before with your other moniker Gregyboy or whatever, but this is even dumber

1. There's no "French Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; The earth and Its Inhabitants, Vol. 12, Published 1882, p.265"
What an uneducated clout
The French has a totally different citation structure
You don't just slam "French" to the beginning of my citation and think you have changed everything

And there is no revised version, there is only re-editing, hence the several Volumes. And you already mentioned the 12th Volume from 1882, so what's the idea of your emphasis on the year 1899 as if there isn't already the one you've seen which I shared from 1882
Which by the way isn't the first publication but 12th

2. "Probably.." "my stance.." , "do you know why.." "I would bet.."
Such an uneducated fellow.
Provide documented evidence not probability, stances and imaginative Did you knows

As documented evidence has shown Yoruba Kings refered to as Ọba since at least the mid 19th century not 1930

You see evidence you still want to bet against yourself what a clown

3. If all the examples you mentioned like deji, owatapa etc are generic why are they specific to those Kings? or you don't know what generic means
How many times will they tell you that these are styled titles specific to that particular king.. Reason you don't have 10 Dejis running 10 kingdoms or 16 Owatapa running 16 different kingdoms

They've told you this but you get coconut head
Anyway if you can say your omonoba is a liar for saying his ancestor is Oranmiyan, your case is like pouring water into a basket


4. Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; The earth and Its Inhabitants, Vol. 12, Published 1882, p.265
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12712594_20201120li_jpeg669beaef00c457b182431ec02a16e2d9
That is published in 1882, read it again 1882
Therefore fulfilling your very first request to provide a pre-1900s documentation of the word "oba" in reference to King by Yorubas

And none of the volumes of "the earth and its inhabitants" are mere translations, they are editions
Each standing on its own as a valid source material or documented evidence
Chai, to skip school no good o

And who's she?

You make me laugh tagging me gregyboy i see the transgendered inside your head,

I actually got the book and anyone who cares to look and confirmed will see that there was nothing on that page.....
I bet you're yet to search yourself too

Anyway,


Why don't both of you drop the direct link to were we can download the volume 12 that i cant find on net,


Maybe i downloaded the wrong one, so get your shemal€ to send a direct link on were she got her imaginary, 1886 vol 12 book from, abi is this one of yoruba hallucinations


Kabeysi is not specific is it,


And if three people are bearing such title like olu this tells you the title is not unique again but generic


So the word oba is not unique to benin monarchy before the yoruba adopted it to be generic

Madman,

Macof aka TAO11

Thanks

Sewgon79:
Tell me another lies, cuz I am tired of all your fabricated story. I guess you want to tell another tales by the moon light of How Benin conquered Ìjèbu. Because there is no history of any Niggadom that any black empire or kingdom wage war and conquered Ìjèbu. Even in those days when Oyo and Ibadan was very large. They try so many times, but never move close. Because Ìjèbu in history of Yoruba are warriors and they are for hired to fight wars on behalf of Ọ̀yọ́ empire. Even to the extent Portuguese and Britain use services of Balogun Kuku of Ìjèbuland in 1500 - 1600.

Check your story, even British comes and were conquer and they have to go and recruit more soldiers from Hausa local and Ashanti local soldiers to fight Ìjèbu. It is called IMAGBON WAR.

Google and you will see what happens, they have to agree on Ìjèbu leaving Epe for the colony. That is reason we don't have colonialism rail services and tired road during colonialism Era.

Ìjèbuland don't even come close.

Check this out


Gregyboy

TAO11:
Will you bundle your ragtag, frail, sickling self out of here and go bury your head in books!? Nonsense!

You have a yet unmet burden of proof to provide a pre-1900s written evidence which shows “oba” for the Benin monarch.

You caused yourself this trouble by seeking a similar evidence from me — which I have met time and time again on this same thread.

I have the right to mock your agitated brother as I have sarcastically done above; even though I’m aware that I have no burden of proof whatsoever, you do.

This is the actual issue. You have to stop the distractive tactic. It has not helped you at any point all along, despite your attempts.

I can also confidently assure you that it will not help you at any time on this thread. Help yourself by meeting your own burden of proof!

We are waiting!

cc: Afam4eva, macof, scholes0, Juliusmalema



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PS on the distractive comment about the “Ife-Benin Connection” of which you all have lately chosen to live in denial:

See the first screenshot below one more time, and go figure what your king was doing in ancient Ife’s archaeological deposit — especially in an interesting site.

~ This screenshot is taken from:
S.P. Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300”, Cambridge University Press, 2015, p.213.

A free full-access digital copy of this work is not readily available online as of yet, only a free preview copy with limited content is currently available online.
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See also the two following screenshots of an ancient Ife’s terra-cotta head produced obviously in the ‘Benin style’, and come tell us more about how the ancient connection never existed. Lol!

~ These screenshots are taken from:
[url=https://collections.si.edu/search/results.htm?q=%22Ife+terracottas%22]The Smithsonian Institution’s Online Collections[/url].
Click it!

These two images of the terra-cotta head (among others) — as well as images of some popular ancient Ife ‘bronze’ heads — all entered into this institution’s collections sometimes between 1981 and 1994.

My two different search


Oba of benin sculpture found in ife no picture surfaced, i begin to wonder is biller now mad or so desperate to link benin to ife to sell her book by making false claims or is it TAO11 the benin-ife desperado

Third goggle search, false ooni of ife sculpture found in oba palace and a picture surface



The last picture shows the benin queen mothers head was recently made around 1980


Afam4eva TAO11, TAO12, samuk, macof, Etinosa1234

TAO11:
Distractive Super Story!

Everyone is waiting for your Benin evidence of the actual “oba” issue at hand — in line with your claims.

cc: Afam4eva, RedboneSmith, macof, scholes0, juliusmalema


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PS on the distractive comment about the “Ife-Benin Connection” of which you all have lately chosen to live in denial:

See the first screenshot below one more time, and go figure what your king was doing in ancient Ife’s archaeological deposit — especially in an interesting site.

~ This screenshot is taken from:
S.P. Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300”, Cambridge University Press, 2015, p.213.

A free full-access digital copy of this work is not readily available online as of yet, only a free preview copy with limited content is currently available online.
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See also the two following screenshots of an ancient Ife’s early terra-cotta head produced obviously in the ‘Benin style’, and come tell us more about how the ancient connection never existed. Lol!

~ These screenshots are taken from:
[url=https://collections.si.edu/search/results.htm?q=%22Ife+terracottas%22]The Smithsonian Institution’s Online Collections[/url].
Click it!

These two images of a terra-cotta head (among others) — as well as images of some popular ancient Ife ‘bronze’ heads — all entered into this institution’s collections sometimes between 1981 and 1994.

Can you send down the pdf of the[/b] Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300 by Suzanne Preston Blier


From what i can see on goggle you have to pay for the book to get it from amazon, you definitely used research gate, probably your school details in the us,

Anyway please share the pdf here lets download it, or atleast give us screenshot of pages from the pdf that would help



Let me start discrediting


That benin sculpture was madd in the 17c, after the Europeans had arrived benin. Centuries longago, but, how the Europeans managed to skip benin-ife relationships on their writeup at 17 century is my biggest imagination on earth
They mentioned benin-owo, benin-itskeri, benin-jebbu, benin-eko and so many other yorubas but they managed to skip benin-ife even when they shared sculpture... Lol something smell fishy dont you think... TAO11 the benin obsessed retard lady


That sculpture is only found in two places benin and owo biller is probably mistaken owo as ife...

If it was found in this century or the last definitely it would be in the nigeria museum, just like that false ooni of ife copper found in the benin palace
It would have stampings to were it was found and the mesuem it is now allocated to

Do you have those viable details to backup the sculpture really came out from ife......



Again for the second pics the terracotta seems to be newly made around late last century 1981


I need every detail possible to ascertain that sculpture was gotten from ife definitely blier was not there when the sculpture was dugged she could be told false information to promote benin-ife lies for supiority sake, so were did blier get are information and did she verify the sculpture was really dugged from ife instetof benin or owo


Afam4eva, macof TAO11, Etinosa1234, valirex, samuk, AreaFada2

samuk:
You can't choose and pick which account that suits you. I provided about 22 references that reported the trial/events and as you can seen, several people reported on the trial. You have only provided one report without citing your sources.

Are you now claiming that Oba Ovonramwen was also not oba in the 1897, after earlier stating that you are not disputing that Benin used the word Oba in the 1800s Make up your mind. Haven't agreed that there are documented evidence that referenced oba of Benin in th 1800s, I was expecting you to demand for 1700s and earlier and stop trying to be clever by half.

After admitting that there are documented evidence of Benin using the word Oba in the 1800s, there was really no need to then supply you documented evidence for what you already admitted to. I only did it because of those you are trying to Deceive.

Smart

Afam4eva RedboneSmith macof and the others i hope you will follow this thread with absolute caution,

They are claims and counter claims, the thread will surely end when the other parties is in a deadlock so dont perch your tent yet keep the fingers crossed


TAO11 said benins never used the word oba and it was originally that of the yorubas with some fake reference to a Yoruba scholar samuel johnson who used the word oba because he new how recognize it is to the Europeans because of benin influence, he decided to use it as a generic term for kingship in his book neglecting other generic words for king in Yoruba land

Here is a screenshot of the word oba used in the trial of the oba of benin in 1897

The red underline is the word obaseki spelt abbaseki by the British

Obaski is the greatgrand father of the pressnt governor of edo state

The meaning of the word obaski means, the king is greater than a market


This showed that the word oba was in used by the benin in 1800,
But why wasnt the word oba use in the European text to represent king, probably the full title of the oba would be difficult to write or probably to make explanations easier in their text they just skipped is title and put king instead


My stance remain samuel. J was the first yoruba person on earth to refer to all yoruba kings as oba, first of all at the time he was writing yoruba were not historically united, not to say coming together by themselves to form a generic name for kings, Samuel j probably used the word oba as a generic word for king to yoruba kings to promote his book to already familiar European people with the word oba

macof:
As far as Bini miscreant logic always goes, if there is no documented evidence it does not exist. Therefore absence of pre-1900s documentation of Bini use of the word "oba" means..The King of Benin only recently became known as Ọba of Benin after copying the Yorubas

Please argue with your Google search board not me

This will really pepper them

Lol, i agree but what was the name oba was called atleast the Europeans should have written it original name

TAO11:
DISTRACTIVE SUPER STORIES!! Face your burden below:

(1) Where is the evidence for your claim that written evidence exists going back “600 years” ago showing the use of “oba” in relation to Benin monarchy??

(2) Your requested 1800s written evidence from Yoruba has been provided.

Now don’t be a hypocrite in addition to being an illiterate. You have to be man enough to meet the standard which you yourself have set.

Provide us an 1800s written document from Benin — before then substantiating your own claim of “600 years” ago.

We are waiting!
cc: Afam4eva

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PS: Lest I forget the Ife-Benin Connection (which you’re dead-scared of), refer to the attached screenshot of an archaeological evidence of a ‘bronze’ plaque depicting your Oba. It was recovered from an old slave-quarters at Ife.

Any right thinking Bini would for once have asked himself what his king was doing in ancient Ife’s archaeological deposit. But unfortunately, I ain’t dealing with a right-thinking person at the moment.

Please give me link to that site of that picture on the oba of benin artwork


Afam4eva
RedboneSmith


Please help me beg help me to give me the link

TAO11:
Enough of the cunning imbecilic distractions. Face your burden below:

(1) Where is the evidence for your claim that written evidence exists going back “600 years” ago showing the use of “oba” in relation to Benin monarchy??

(2) Your requested 1800s written evidence from Yoruba has been provided.

Now don’t be a hypocrite in addition to being an illiterate. You have to be man enough to meet the standard which you yourself have set.

Provide us an 1800s written document from Benin — before then substantiating your own claim of “600 years” ago.

We are waiting!
cc: Afam4eva, RedboneSmith, macof

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PS: Lest I forget the Ife-Benin Connection (which you’re dead-scared of), refer to the attached screenshot of an archaeological evidence of a ‘bronze’ plaque depicting your Oba. It was recovered from an old slave-quarters at Ife.

Haha TAO11 you make me laff supply me the link were they found that sculpture in ife

Am waiting

samuk:
See damage control, madam lecturer is already warning her fans and students ahead of time. Teacher, you are right on this occasion, no one will be so dumb to make such claims you are now disclaiming.

I can see some disappointments amongst our Igbo and Yoruba readers. You know sooner or later Benin historical documents will surface with the title Oba. I won't be surprised if you have already seen them because of your fascination with Benin history, hence this disclaimer of I didn't claim this and that.

People, I hope you have all heard her, she didn't claim or dispute that Benin had Oba in the 1800s and 1900s. She just wants us to give her the 1700s to the 1500s Benin written history to add to her archives.

You see why I advised Afam4eva not to conclude yet.

Poor ReboneSmith and macof, they must be scratching their heads now

Lol, i will surely bring out now or few months time and when it is out what would they now do


My ascertion would still remain

Benin and ife never had connection
Yoruba borrow the word oba from benin

Samuel johnson was the first person to make use of the word oba as a generic term for yoruba kings inorder to give his book prestige and from then other authors followed suite

Untill 1930 till it was fully adopted by the yoruba kings to internationally elevate their stool

TAO11:
The word used by other Edo-speaking monarch’s for “king” all appear to be around the Edo root-word “ogie” — “king”.

Many words deriving from this root-word are used by the Edos and allied-people for “king” till date. Consider the following examples:

(1) “Ogiso” (from: “ogie-iso” — meaning: the “king from the sky” ).

Historically, this was the epithet used by the Edo supreme rulers in their first dynasty prior to their shift and adoption of “Oba” from the beginning of their second dynasty.


(2) “Ogiamien” (the “king of the [Edo] country” ).

Historically, this was the epithet used by the Edo regents during the intermediate period (interregnum) between the first dynasty and the second dynasty.

Till date, the “Ogiamien” royal family line still survives in Benin. They insist, till date, that the present ruling royal family of Benin (i.e. “Oba” ) is a foreign non-Bini lineage which they insist has its patrilineal roots in Ile-Ife.

(3) “Ogiame” (from “ogie-ame“ — meaning: the “king over the waters” ).

Till date, the personal names of Itsekiri kings are formally prefixed by the word “ogiame” by virtue of their connection to the monarchy of Benin.

(4) The following are some other derived words from “ogie” which are used by many Edo-related monarchies (such as Urhobo, et al.) around today’s South-South Nigeria: “Enogie”, “Ovie”, “Onojie”, “Orodje”, et al.

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And I’m certain that you’re aware that I never claimed anywhere that Europeans visited Africa prior to the second Benin dynasty. Lol.

Benin never had a second dynasty it was only obe dynasty, the oba dynasty

RedboneSmith:
The word was first listed in 1900-5, yet we have all these evidence from at least the 1850s of its use in Yorubaland. I see.

The question you should be asking is what was the king of benin called,

As we can see the Europeans probably replace his title omo noba nedo ukwakpolopolo as king in their writeup that does not mean he wasnt called oba


Or the name was not in use, if his title wasnt oba of benin why didnt they put the his title there if he was called something else,


Probably during the translation of the original text to the English that his titles were removed

Or probably they always skipled his tiitles and replaced it with king......


But one thing i know and i stand with his benin-ife connection was a lie

Afam4eva RedboneSmith TAO11

RedboneSmith:
The word was first listed in 1900-5, yet we have all these evidence from at least the 1850s of its use in Yorubaland. I see.

Were in 1850 young man please reevaluate before you start making and beliving false claims

TAO11:
You seem to be expecting too much from a clown. Lol.

On the second or third page of this thread, I did provide more evidence like “Oba Jayin” and “Oba M’ Oro”, among others — cited from S. Johnson’s work which was evidently completed in 1897.

I also cited “Dom Obá II” — an epithet of the Afro-Brazilian grandson of the then Alaafin Oyo, Cândido da Fonseca Galvão (1845 — 1890).

Moreover, Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther’s 1884 Yoruba translation of the Bible is littered with “oba” for “king”.

In fact, a 1666 French translation of a Coptic text which Cheikh Anta Diop cites in his “African Origin of Civilization” is shown to have retained the original “Obba” for “King” in relation to a certain king Chango said to be born in Ife.

Yet, we are still waiting to see just one pre-1900 writing showing the Binis’ use of “oba” for their monarch.

Inferiority complex is a terrible thing!

Can we see the bolded the original version before the translation and when did the translation take place, please if you're not presenting the original version along side the translation then dont present it as prove


RedboneSmith

TAO11:
Given the fact that unlike you I ain’t a dummy, I wouldn’t therefore commit the “argumentum ex silentio” logical fallacy —assuming you know what that means in the first place.

It is you who made written evidence as your be all and end all, and I have provided you with the type of evidence you requested (even though I am not obliged to provide that type of evidence) — thus debunking your delusion on the Yoruba use of “oba”.

So, save the distractive tactic for another day. Today, you are obliged to live up to your own set standard by providing the written evidence as requested below:

Provide us with any writing (from the 1800s, the 1700s, the 1600s, the 1500s, or the 1400s, etc.) which shows the word “oba” in relation to the Benin monarchy.

Or to be even more specific, any writing (from the 1800s, the 1700s, the 1600s, the 1500s, or the 1400s, etc.) which names a Benin monarch and describes him as “Oba”.

cc: Adam4eva
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PS: I am glad that your vice Benin Clown-In-Chief (i.e. gregyboy AKA Edeyoung) noticed your dishonest about-face and then smacked your dry ass for a being such a little liar.

This may be seen in the attached screenshot below:

You had temerity to quote samuel johnson work for me madlady


To prove a point of oba ownership when you know samuel johnson was a retard

Afam4eva



Samuel johnson is the first yoruba historian who happened to be educated in uk, he was taken as slave from oyo on his arrival to oyo he wrote the first book on yoruba history

He was the first man to unite all yorubas into one
Geneoglogy oduduwa, he was the first person to also use the term oba as a generic word for yoruba kings he did thess to also sell his book because the Europeans at then knew only oba as kingship titles


He made all the general things you see in Yoruba today possible

Etrusen:
if you say make them nor build am 4 Benin

where then you suggest?

Guy make them leave dat project, till nigeria go better,


It won't be funny wen it is finally done and years later it would be a shadow of itself


They should think of rebuilding the moat, and turning it to a tourists centre make dem leave those sculpture for there

The ones wen we get for benin like the moat, the palace, ancestral shrine we don fit maintain dem

I would prefer if he ask for loaning those artwork
To d British till wen nigeria don better, that way the money go dey enter edo government treasury


Our oba just dey give himself wahala,