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Ideadoctor:
don't forget Edeyoung aka gregyboy that history is just story, I don't believe your stories....too absurd

Calling me gregyboy, hahaha hallucinations


Hahaha

Prove, my aunty TAO12 said it

Ideadoctor aia Balogunodua aka Obalufon

Ideadoctor:
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proof that one too.... omo ode!

Why does he have to prove it, didnt you read history how Benin ruled yoruba

Ise- amen in benin

Ise- amen in ibo



Olise - god in ibo

Oisa= god in benin


Okuta = rock in benin

Okute = rock rick in igbo


And so many

All these are sign benin influence waa felt in the entire southern nigeria

Edo odion

Oba gha to kpere.... Ise

jneutron4000:
[s][/s]I intentionally choose not to bother myself explaining cause I know you people will always says it means something else in Benin, I have gone down this route numerous time with Benins . The level of inferiority complex bugging Benin anytime something is linked to the Yorubas is alarming, of cause I know is not really bad blood just that you do not like the idea of havin that feeling that the Yorubas of Ife has influenced part your culturally heritage, that was why there was a serious online backlash by many Edos against Tinubu when he added his opinion on the Edo state election, My Edo friend even told me that NO o una no fit dey choose our leaders for us. We know this things

You make me. Laugh

Everything you said is defeated with the scrrenshot

valirex:
Telegram username :CobraRevolution

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IDENNAA:
This is childish. There is not a single evidence that proves Isselle are Bini. However, I am not disputing some edoid migrated to Iselle at later period and are a minute population but claiming Isselle are Bini is just blatantly ignorance and stinks of inferior mindset. Obi of Onicha will never try that foolishness and he rightly stated in his interview that Onicha were Igbo in reverse migration after the agha iduu na oba.

You are even claiming Asaba. You guys are shameless and pathetic. If you needed population why didn't you enlarge your chiefdom when you were the "great Bini empire" , whatever that means....lmao

Now , you are jubilating over some hungry youths from Ikwerre who went to kiss asz at your Oba palace. Well , just know this Ikwerre is a goner, they can never be Bini even if they want to...this is purely a bad tactics for them. They won't even eat Bini food , practice your fetish culture or marry Bini women. This is just true....they fall for Igbo women like it's a spell!

LMAO

Why the fuss, isselukwu are ibos and the royalties are benin, anybody claiming isselukwu is benin should be. Avoided

And anyone that says some few benins and her influence can't be found in isselukwu should also be avoided


Isselukwu are originally ibos and would remain ibos, but the royalties are benins

IDENNAA:
Iseselle Ukwu are Igbo through and through. If they like let them go eat oba shit at the end they will still speak Igbo , eat Igbo food , marry Igbo, worship in Igbo and look like Igbo. With time they will look more silly just like Ikwerre are beginning to look. You should be worried that people who you absolutely nothing in common with are claiming to be your kin.

No one. Deniel they aint igbo, some very few benin population is among them wich are they royals, they are originally igbos no doubt but now they are not pure igbos anymore and they would never fully claim ibo

Etrusen:
OK

but let those involve identify when they see the post please


Etinosa123456
Edeyoung
samuk
valirex
gregyboy
Areafada

so that a time can be fix please

https:///edeyong my telegram contact

Abovebonny3:
The British Empire & Benin are a totally different kettle of fish.
Give me a source which states Benin had total control of the trade between the Bight of Benin to the Bight of Biafra.
Nri had far more influence in the east than Benin yet it isn't an empire.
Oyo arguably had a vassal states yet you do not quality them for empire status.
You even claim that the Sokoto Caliphate wasn't an empire.
I agree with all your statements but that does not make Benin an empire I'm sorry.
For you the only Empire in west Africa was Benin...

Bro i dont know the useless nri myth you want to drag me into


As long as the ibo traders came to the shores to trade with the Europeans the oba oversaw their trade


You can take your imaginary nri out of here

babtoundey:
An adult with crawling brain...
I laugh

Lol, why the hate, am not going to make your lies easier for you nut head i must instill sense into the yoruba peoples head before i leave nairaland

Ideadoctor:
If you believe that the indigenous word for king in Edo is oba then all Edo are Yoruba, because Yoruba started obaship,in fact Edeyoung you are not honest in treating these topic a lot of Edo historians mentioned the ogisos not as myth but as history, and they also mentioned that oranmiyan displaced the ogisos and started the oba dynasty, but here you are because you hate Yoruba's denying that fact even though it is obvious

Edo historian says oduduwa was from benin

Yoruba said its a lie

But truth is that all the Oduduwa whatsoever is a myth that never existed

Ogiso are sky kings and they never existed too
In an old benin account recorded by Europeans ogiso ruled when the earth was yet unformed


Bro benin-ife never had connections unless you can prove it to me

Or you just go back to were you are coming from


Oba is the original title of the benin monarchy benins loaned it to yorubas


If you disagree with disagree read this screenshot

Or you can try to bring archeological findings or writing records were you can prove benin had contact with ife in the past


You make me sick, boy benin historian agrees and so, are they not humans like you and i can they not lie to play the supremacy battle they love
Playing

Just go.....

Abovebonny3:
If not for the British, the entire south west of Nigeria would have been part of the Caliphate, that's a fact.

Benun controlled part of southwest, and you think benin would allow such expansion if it would cause harm his vassals


Before the British arrival the Sokoto empire was already weak constant revolt by the hausas against the ruling fulanis, it was on the verge off collapse when the British came to hijack it


Empire that couldn't even resist the British instead acted as zombies for the British

Abeg shift your useless kingdom go that side


Are you aware sokoto never had a string army that extended over its vassals the army waa fragmented sokoto was just a religious town

Nothing more

Abovebonny3:
What part of Igboland do you refer to? I would love some sources because by my account I've never heard of Benin having any imperial presence over any province east of the Niger. Perhaps some Western Igbo communities but that's hardly an entire ethnic group is it.

Also Kingdoms can rule others, its the extant to which they rule & enforce imperium that dictates their political status. Benin never ruled the entirety of one single ethnic group or nation, apart from Edo and fractions of smaller tribes. How can this be considered an empire.

The map shows The Kingdom of Benin at its greatest territorial extant in 1580. Benin from this point in the 16th century was on the decline.
Please tell me if the map is accurate or not because based the statements you've made, the entire south west/eastern region should be under the "Benin Empire"

You're fighting yourself bro

Benin never had full fledged influence on all the territories around it, neither did the British have full control on every tribe in the now nigeria but the British influence spread across every tribe despite even if the British presence wasnt felt in all tribe



Your problem is you have never studied benin histtory


Benin present wasnt felt in all southern tribe but its economic and political influenced stretched around the now southern nigeria the oba of benin controlled trade of all southern to the Europeans


What caused the benin-British war was benin stoping the core east traders i mean eastern ibo traders from selling to the British without him giving orders and the eastern ibi never really had any benin military or cultural influence on them but his economic influence covered them

The oba of benin later stoped all southern nigeria traders from selling to the British without his orders, traders from core east, ijo, ijebbu and the others trading with the British and they complained to the British reason for no trade, it became obvious that benin had to go down before trade could go on effectively with the British


Benin conquered for trade benefit, they dont just wage war aimlessly

Now you see benin had control over southern nigeria and her presence spread over southern nigeria of today,


Please read more on benin history the British didnt call benin empire for nothing


Stop looping benin in the useless category you put it

bonjovi787:
you are either a yoruba either the dumbest edo person ever. Whatever the case may be, considering you as an ennemy seems like the best thing to do.

I pity you, i pity people around you, you seem to have stupid anger issues

That's all

Abovebonny3:
No you are wrong, the Xhosa-Anglo wars have been compared to the English & French 100 (116) years war due to its longevity as an unresolved conflict. There were 56 conflicts from 1337 - 1453 between the two European powers yet they're all part of one big major war. The Hundred Years War. The same logic applies to the Xhosa wars, its an issue of semantics.

Again no, the Benin Expedition concluded the war after the British raised Edo to the ground and Benin's administrative and military structure collapsed and the royal family was exiled.

After Benin fell in February 1987 there were small pockets of resistance, yes this is true but the war was over, it was irrelevant.
Japan officially signed the peace treaty with the allies in august 1945 ending WW2, but did you know that some Japanese soldiers did not surrender till as late as 1974 and beyond. Hiroo Onoda was one such man, an intelligence officer of the Imperial Japanese Army who was hiding out with three of his fellow soldiers on a small island in the Philippines. He was only relived from his duty when an old commanding officer came in the name of Emperor Hirohito to convince the old war veteran the war was really over.
Therefore by your logic Japan was still at war with the Allies up until 1974?
No because wars have a start date and an end date, a series of wars is still considered as one overarching war. Once and enemy is totally defeated by conquest or total surrender the war is over.

Also there's no need for personal attacks, this is a healthy debate and we can agree & disagree that's the beauty of discussion, so please don't turn this into a train of insults, keep the discourse gentlemanly. Thank you!.

Bro i addressed alk this in my mention to you benin never had conflict wars with any European till 1897,the benin unpreparednes and full military attacks on benin prompted benin early defeat, benin surrender was on the oba orders

The military attacks used to fall benin was used in your so called ashanti and it fell in days lesser than benin who fell minths later

Guy something tells me you have really not extensively read benin-British war or probably you're not thoughtful to reason beyond what youre typing

bonjovi787:
You keep saying I am a yoruba disguising as an Edo while I never claimed any ethnicity. Hmmm. Sometimes people accuse others of doing what they themselves are doing. Like some thieves accuse other people of theft and some murderers accuse other people of the murder they committed.
So are you a yoruba pretending to be an Edo ?
I think that is exactly what you are, which explains the fact you were earlier attacking anybody who wanted the Benin bronze to be back with their rightful owner and the fact you were covering a yoruba troll with praises and also the fact you are trying to smear the Oba of Benin.

I guess the new (not really new) yoruba tactic is to infiltrate, pretend to be one of you, then try to shape opinions...

The idoit ghostwon

Bro on a serious note you need deliverance, big big big one


God help your spouse

You're something else


Yes i stand with what i believe your just a dunce who cant think outside the box as far as the oba supports it, it is correct that is cultural zombiesm

You're not smart youre just foolish bro,

I doubt if youre benin i know benins not to have senseless children youre just a Yoruba trying to damage the binin relevance

Get away

OmoOlofin:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/33#96641344

I proved this wrong already why are you still spamming people are still going to read my comments



TAO11 is unable to prove benin ife connection

Ideadoctor:
Stop being a liar,your kings are called ogisos, Yorubas introduced the oba system to you,and that is evident in your overall monarchial system

Ogiso means sky kings are you telling me you believe the myth sky kings came to rule on earth

If you dont you are left with one option with the title oba


That means ogiso was a myth and never existed

The title oba has been the title for benin monarchy, oba means king in benin

Would people stop stealing because if they get caught they will get jungle justice

I guess you have your answers already

bonjovi787:
You know my "type", you mean this type :



You need to work on how to use your brain. The only thing which is going for you right now is that the yoruba are just as dumb as you. If any of them were smarter, you would crumble. Get some itelligence into that brain of yours before you meet an intelligent yoruba.

And you claim youre smart, youre just a dullard like a fellow yoruba guy, probably more duller than Tao11

Soon we will know how foolish your new account
Looks with your old brain,

You should have gotten a new sense rather than a new account because nothing would really changed it still going to be thesame dull boy with a new account


Mugu

bonjovi787:
wtf are you talking about ? Are you on drugs right now ?

Where did you see me defend a claim just because the Oba said so ?

I really don't know who you are talking to.

try and make some sense when you talk. Right now, what you are saying doesn't make sense at all.
And you even dared to call yourself a scholar and tell me you can teach me, you don't even know me. You are just extremely retarded.

Ooh your account is new probably here to cause confusion, i bet you're a yoruba guy disgusing as benin

bonjovi787:
wtf are you talking about ? Are you on drugs right now ?

Where did you see me defend a claim just because the Oba said so ?

I really don't know who you are talking to.

try and make some sense when you talk. Right now, what you are saying doesn't make sense at all.
And you even dared to call yourself a scholar and tell me you can teach me, you don't even know me. You are just extremely retarded.

We know your type


What do you know in benin history apart from tge usual myth

Abovebonny3:
I Agree with you, I have been arguing that Oyo was not an empire, just like Benin

Benin is an empire, it ruled outiside it tribe, igbo, kogi, urhobo, esan, yoruba and he had military power, economic power, social and cultural influences over vassal sate


And the sit of piwer was a city

Benin Kingdom is restricted to benin and its surrounding villages inside benin

Benin empire is areas like esan, urhobo, ijaw, ibos, yorubas areas it controlled

And it was noticeable

bonjovi787:
1) When quoting a paper, provide access to it(the whole thing). It might help you sound more educated.
2) The paper is not written by an eye witness, rather by a person who claims an other person heard or saw something.
3) How does "praying for all yoruba kings and praying for himself" imply that the Oba is paying hommage to the ooni of ife and the alafin of oyo ?
4) We haven't even taken a look at the fact Oba Eweka2 lived in an era in which the locals of the region were literate, if Oba Eweka paid hommage to the ooni of ife or the alafin of oyo, there would be written records including from Oba Eweka himself or his sons among whom Oba Akenzua !

I really hate discussing with you guys on nairaland, your brains are almost empty.

Bro that's why i told you not to defend what you know nothing off because our oba said so, dont forget they are humans like us, they can twist anything for thier own favour

The truth is benin-ife never meant why not go to gregboy profile and study yourself


You can expect me to teach you the truth, find it yourself the more you read on benin history the more the truth becomes obvious

Go and read

A reconsideration of Benin-ife connection by afc ryder

Oduduwa, ekaladeran, were myth


Go and learn your history before you begin to debate

Am a scholar in benin, yoruba history too

It pains me i see you guys playing some political chess put foward by two kings

Abovebonny3:
nothing I have said is controversial, Oyo never reached Ghana through conquest that is just an outright lie... even the map shows it only goes as far as the Benin Republic, maybe Togo... but certainly not Ghana.

The region was still a Yoruba region controlled by smaller Yoruba kingdoms regardless.

A kingdom in decline is still a kingdom indeed, Britain started to decline after WW1, yet the empire grew larger post WW2... decline does not mean complete collapse.

Oyo was nor an emire it was a kingdom made by a confederacy

Qualities which defies oyo to be ancempire


An empire is noticeable: oyo was said to be an empire after the Europeans have settled in nigeria for abour 100yrs and yet it wasn't noticeable to the British or European, what kind of empire is that

It never had military or economic sovereignty over it vassal

All vassal refused they were ruled by oyo or even deniel oyo having sovereignty over it

Only dahomey claim and accept such account, the part oyo ruled on dahomey was the yorubas soeaking part who had migrated due to war

Ooni of ife is not an oba he is historically a native doctor, awolowo made him king


At 1930 sir adesuji adewhatever.... Who was the ooni of ife
Decided to remove the word sir from his name and replaced it with the word oba inother to promote his stool and have an international recognition recognition as oba of benin, the benin monarch smiled at it since they never saw any harm in it,

After sir adusuwaji changed from sir to oba trust the others to follow suit

But today yorubas wants to use it to rewrite benin history with lies

History should be told correctly


Am still waiting for the people who will storm this thread witg their myth which sprang up after almagation told to forcefully unite benin as yoruba as proves

Now wonder why there became a counter history from the benins after the left western region

Let them come and tell us how come throughout benin relationship with European, the European never took note of benin-ife relationships if indeed existed,
Even When the Europeans made mention of, other tribes like ijebu, urhobo, ijaw, dahomey, Ghana owo, eko relationships with Bini but managed not To notice ife benin relationships...

Dont be decieved the Oduduwa myth is frictional and not historical, yorubas in the first palace were never united until the britsh united them forcefully after the yoruba Civil war of 1894

Picture one shows two yorubas discussing on the validity of ife as an ancestral home for yorubas

Picture is from afc rydwe, a reconsideration of benin-ife relationships written in 1930

Announcement to everyone gregyboy would be unbanned tomorrow for the unjust banned he was giving by a yoruba coward mods


600yrs for all the yoruba mods

TAO11
TAO12
Balogunodua
Newton
gomojam


Yoruba right. Now

Etinosa123456:
Jesus... Na me call mod..na me dem ban

They can't win, bro we aren't coward

Etinosa123456:
Jesus... Na me call mod..na me dem ban

You never see anything

Newton85:
Yeah, "tears tears tears" indeed, yet you're the one reporting me to your to your Nairaland bosses like a lily-livered coward. The irony. Ikeji Orisha doesn't mean anything in Benin, same way Oba doesn't mean anything in Benin, "Ikeji Orisha" is part of the praise names of your Oba, same way Oba is also your King's title. It's also the same way Yoruba deities like Ogun, Osun, Shango, Eshu, Olokun don't mean anything in Benin yet they're worshipped by your people. Bloody coward.

You talj nonsense

Cho cho cho close your mouth, where were you when gregyboy proved all tgis idol and the title oba to be from binis


Dint draw us back oks

Etinosa12345:
Tears, tears and more tears...

If the Ogiamen really leased a land to the Oba, why isn't he brave to show us the boundary of the land leased? Because its a lie

Ikeji orisha don't mean anything in Benin and I don't expect Benin chiefs to speak a word as praise especially when they don't know the meaning

Lastly the Ogiamen are not the descendants of Ogiso...

Keep bringing ur tears... U have not even been able to answer a single question and u allow someone that doesn't even rule his area in sakponba road to be deceiving u

Pm me bro

Etinosa12345:
Tears, tears and more tears...

If the Ogiamen really leased a land to the Oba, why isn't he brave to show us the boundary of the land leased? Because its a lie

Ikeji orisha don't mean anything in Benin and I don't expect Benin chiefs to speak a word as praise especially when they don't know the meaning

Lastly the Ogiamen are not the descendants of Ogiso...

Keep bringing ur tears... U have not even been able to answer a single question and u allow someone that doesn't even rule his area in sakponba road to be deceiving u

See if youre attacking yoruba stick to old records 1800 below, if you stick to anything above 1900

You kill yourself na that century na them rewrite their history finsh

Stick to old text and maintain your stance, and anything they are bringing from benin must be old text too

For now go and read the history of the yorubas by Samuel johson keep usinf samuoe johson account to hammer them they will run