₦airaland Forum

Sisi_Kill: Sigh!

This is the reason why I didn't want to get drawn into this debate oh. Nigerians as a whole, we are not very good with figurative speaking, if it ain't literal. . .it just flies over our heads. We have no appreciation for subtlety, if they aren't slamming the point on our heads, we don't get it.(Choi! It used to irk me sooo badly when I watch 'em Nollywood movies and the characters are talking like this "I am going to go to his house to go and abuse him" and the next scene is the person going to the other person's house to go and abuse him . . .like wtf? Why don't you just do it, why do you gotta tell us??!! It wasn't until I got that if things aren't literally explained, laid out bare, busted wide open, stripped naked, most people don't get it that I stopped getting angry. . . but ya know what, that's a story for another day ).

My point (Yes, Yes I have one ) is that Pastor Bakare was speaking figuratively. . .and he is ABSO-FREAKING-LUTELY, right!! Besides, the last I checked members of his congregation are Nigerians (Don't don't stop being Nigerians when they enter the church ya know ) and they are worried about the state of the nation, their future, their children's future. What do ya expect him to talk about in times like this. . . the Story of Noah's Ark or Samson's long hair?

Sisi_Kill: Do people really think that having money means you grew up in abundance? I guess you haven't read about the Rockefellers and their upbringing. Despite the fact that their Daddy was one of the richest man in the world. . .the children were on a strict pocket allowance whachumacallit.

They wore hand me downs, didn't travel the world in private jets and cruise the streets with the latest cars. They had to make account of how they spent their money (each child kept a journal of how much they spent on what). In short, they didn't have the little extras we expect people with their kinda money to have.

So having money does not necessarily mean being wealthy. . .let's just get that outta the way. Anyone who doesn't have bits for brains knows what Bakare is talking about, I mean alls you gotta do is look at Patience's wobia behavior.

tunnytox: Hey time waster I have better things to do with my time than to continuously trying to make you reason like a human.

tunnytox: I understand it must be difficult for someone with low IQ like yours to understand the words of intelligent people. I believe many other readers here can tell who is dull between me and you.

tunnytox: Dude do you understand what is called CLASS? Class is not about money because money can't buy class! That's why you'll see some rich people behaving like money miss road.
Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa also came from humble background but shown he has class, Barack Obama is from humble background but has class and that's why he's not grabbing anything he can lay his hands on as if the world is coming to an end. Also, people like Samuel Doe, Mobutu, idi Amin etc are from humble background but had no class.
Jonathan may come from a humble background like many of us too but the behaviour he and his wife are exhibiting has shown that they have no class. This is what PTB is simply saying!
Jonathan and Dame= omo aijebe ri to n japo saya

tunnytox: If his words are interpreted the SAME WAY you and other biased posters interpreted it how come newspapers and many other columnists in several Nigerian newspapers have not see it the same way? I read some of these newspapers this morning and there was no fuss at all about these statements. It's you and many other mischievous posters that are only trying to sensationalise it simply out of your ethinic or religios bias you have for Jonathan.

tunnytox: Did you even bother to read the full text of his speech and understand it without prejudice or you just want to come here to show like others that you're anti PTB?
Seriously what point are you trying to make?

A-ZeD:
That "such men" in his statement was refering to a particular person not the people in general.

tunnytox: Ask the op that I quoted why he thought Bakare couldn't have said that in a developed world, I wonder what he meant by developed world because in those developed world political arena I hear even more than what Bakare said all the time.

tunnytox: 100% Gabbage
Simply admit that your level of understanding/comprehension/understanding of language is abysmally poor and we'll understand.
I wonder if you've ever lived in a developed world before otherwise you won't be spewing that Gabbage you posted above.

kingoflag: This Niger-Delta Oil that you people love to use as reference over and over again. . . . as Billions are going into pockets of the Politicians and their cronies, HOW MUCH HAS GONE INTO YOUR ACCOUNTS?!

LMAO WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW $10MILLION?

WHEN WILL YOU EVER SEE $10MILLION?!

Lmao Clowns! Keep fighting for the prosperity of the generations of the corrupt, while fighting for the poverty of yours.

SMH You guys are so myopic its not even a joke.

I guess poverty and suffering is all y'all know, so why not fight for it, right?!

naturalwaves: The major problem u guys av is 'a communication gap' and it is a simple one.U see,Bakare's intellect is too high for a lot of people to decipher and that is what is causing d gap but I'll try my lil best to help u a bit. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING; WHEN THE SHOELESS TAKES OVER and WHEN A SHOELESS TAKES OVER.Pastor T's statement is referring to a person(Jonathan).He is not saying that people from humble backgrounds cannot make it.U get d point?......Example; If I say,wen a footballer steps on d field,he scores goals.This is a general statement and applies to all footballers but If I say,when the footballer steps on d field,he scores goals means that I am referring to a particular footballer and sensible people around will ask me who?So u see,Bakare's statement is not a general one and it is not saying that people from humble background cannot make it,it was meant for Jonathan.If atall U want to then go on to debate anything,it should be about maybe or not his statement is true.Is Jonathan really clueless? If U ask me,I will say A VERY BIG YES,JONATHAN WAS SHOELESS AND HE IS CLUELESS.

Fhemmmy: Why would he be calling for the removal of a president when he has not really done anything.
He fought for justice when the dying president is still allowed to be ruling to create a hole in our leadeship.
During the election, how cld u talk of removal of someone that is yet to rule wrong, now that we have been under the leadership of GEJ for some years and the nation is going from bad to worse, you want him to sit and watch?
so was it a plot against him too that they planning to impeach GEJ?

phildon: As much as I cherish the uprightedness of our amiable Pastor, I am honestly disapointed in his attack on the humble upbringing of GEJ and his wife. All he said about this govt are right though.

inquisitiv: For the guy that asked for the points he raised, thanks for being mature and not abusing me or telling me 2 shut up and 4 dis reason I will reply u,

Let's start from his comment on d poor- isn't it something to ponder why Nigerians after condemning corruption still steal in offices and dis plays out in d civil service and dis trait just shows more in our political leaders. Does it hv to do with d insecurity of poverty

2. On d niger delta comment, can u tell me y d chiefs and leaders of ND r stupendously rich why deu ignite d passion of resource country for d gullible masses to carry on der head. Mind u, dis is d same menace that plays out in d north and other parts of d country

3. On d issue of God and boundaries, isn't it a call for more robust discussions on our nationhood than just attacking d pastor.

One problem we pseudo-educated nigerians have is our inability to stick to issues even when raised by someone we may call a mad man.

Finally, I won't vote for him as I dnt like emotional ppl but at d same time I sincerely appreciate his being on GEJ neck. We need more of him. And for the guy dat said I should shut up...I can't condescend to trading insults ok?

inquisitiv: I'm not his follower, I don't like his buhari, I dislike CPC, but d man brought up salient points and some dumb fellows who don't understand that their lives r being messed up by these vagabonds in power are talking tribe, religion, gender and what BS have u. I still say that the actions of GEJ is typical when poor men SUDDENLY see demselves in power. When a poor man WORKS HARD, his behaviour is different. In general, dis grab all mentality is common among the poor and dat is why most people reason on dat base level.

inquisitiv: I'm going to comment again in Nairaland, something I hardly do. I can see some people playing the Niger-Delta ethnic card here to wipe up ethnic sentiments...stupid and absolutely stupid. I can see some playing d religion card viz-a-viz a pastor speaking out against evil government...more stupid and I can see some playing d gender card cos a rightly annoyed man spoke up against a greedy, indolent & insanely corrupt woman....and I agree with him dat paupers, poor men steal without conscience when given access to wealth and power. Its a mentality disease that exists among the poor. Its a fact.

edicolove: Too many contradictions and blunders in Bakare's statements:

1. From his message, the poor cannot attain greatness. They are disqualified by their poverty.
2. He admitted that God put GEJ there but he still contested against him. Did he just discover God put him there or did he try to go against God's will when he contested against GEJ?
3. He claimed the Niger Delta benefited from pre colonial Nigeria but forgot that the North and south west has harvested billions of dollars from the investment since the 70s. IBB alone siphoned $12 billion during the gulf oil windfall. And over this same period, the ND has been totally devastated. The regions he is talking about were not devastated but rather developed to an extent. So how long and how much does it take to pay back?
4. He said Lord Lugard did not form Nigeria and quoted a bible passage that God forms the boundary of Nations. So what happened to nations that have divided and are still dividing ( USSR, Germany, Sudan, Ethiopia, etc). Did God not form their boundaries or has God changed his mind? If the later is true, can God not change his mind then on Nigeria?

The last man that spoke like this was Obama's former pastor who Obama had to distance himself from. He almost cost Obama his election because Americans don't tolerate stuff like this.

Funny how some say Tunde Bakare is a true man of God more than other Pastors but the last time I checked, Pastor Adegoye has triggered the building of a whole new city, transforming millions in the process. Pastor Oyedepo is building what is practically an new world class city inside Nigeria. If you step into Canaan Land, you will be awed what you will see. Absolutely visionary development that was built purely by Nigerians. You might not like the guy, but you cannot deny his ingenuity. These men don't talk much. What you see about them on the papers are journalists trying to make news off them but they are inspiring and leading millions to greatness and generating more jobs than some state governments in Nigeria. I have never seen any thing that Bakare has done for society apart from criticisms. At least Gani criticized and put his words to action. Talk they say is cheap! Smh!

crackhouse: Nigerians na wa o. Make una leave this pastor alone nah. The man is saying the truth and u guys are here talking what i don't know. How many of u will be courageous enough to tell the govt their sins? Even in the bible john the baptist spoke against the evil people in govt then so what the heck are u guys talking about?.

crackhouse: Nigerians na wa o. Make una leave this pastor alone nah. The man is saying the truth and u guys are here talking what i don't know. How many of u will be courageous enough to tell the govt their sins? Even in the bible john the baptist spoke against the evil people in govt then so what the heck are u guys talking about?.

Kobojunkie: God factor also made Saul a King. Yet God factor also brought Saul down . . . killed him too.

Billyonaire: Guy, there is no time to rhetoric now, I didnt even read what you were typing, you responded to a messaged I attributed to someone else. Today, I am just watching movies and trying to be happy. I have no time to put more lights into the budget analysis, an Economic Czar, Ngozi Iweala has already done that. Every any educated person will understand enough to pay attention to an Economic Liahona of World Bank echelon. If you do not listen to such great mind, who am I to enlighten you better.

Kobojunkie: As I was saying . . .



The Nigerian people want to know these things and their REPRESENTATIVES are there to get them that information.

Dotman01: Can't or Won't?

Reptyle: So apart from the "your word against mine" testimony from Otedola who is the prime prosecution witness, and his cut and join video, what other evidence does the police really have against Farouk to guarantee a conviction at the end?

Or is this just going to be another lengthy court process that will cost taxpayers millions of naira and eventually get thrown out for lack of valid evidence? Where are the marked dollar notes? $620,000 USD is not the kind of money that should vanish without a trace.

Why was Farouk not arrested with his hands in the cookie jar immediately after the sting operation planned and supervised by the SSS?

Why is the SSS refusing to release the video of the sting operation to the police to help with the prosecution process?

Why is the police rushing to court when they know that the chances of securing a conviction are almost non-existent?

Why do these public officials continue to try to hoodwink us?

Why