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MizJanet:
no one understands , is the So call interpreter not a man , how come he or she understands ?


The same Bible records that people understands what those who first speak in tongues are saying, is your bible contradicting itself ?

No! It didnt, its understanding that makes the difference...look at it again

1 Corinthians 14: 2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

If you study the full text of 1 Corinthians 14 you will see tongues used in relation to speaking, prophesying, praying etc

Why is it important?

Acts 10: 44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

Acts 19: 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

everytime the Spirit came upon them, even in the old testament, they prophesied. In the new testament, they did it in other tongues.

So paul says, prophesy with an interpreter if you want to talk in church to the congregation but if you speak in tongues and the spirit comes upon you and you spoke in a new tongue, its between you and God.

But if you seek to talk to the house i.e. to prophesy to the house , pray for interpretation

uvalued:
giving to the poor of course and yes but no where (as far as i know) in the new covenant it stated that i should give one tenth to the poor...

Did you know that the practice of giving to the poor was taken/preached from out of the law, the same law that asks you to tithe?

PrecisionFx:
Though I don't belong to any religion, What u said us a fact. 99% of Christians do not read the Bible.

Actually 99.9% read the bible. What the 99.9% dont really do consistently is study.......

Freeze is a very good example of a bible reader, everything he says is muddled up without any sense of clear direction.

You say a believer "is a temple of the Holy Spirit" which the bible actually teaches , so we don't need Pastors building big edifices, using people's money. So you can stay in your house and worship your God you don't need to attend service in a church, but the same bible says "we should not forsake the assembly of ourselves as is the manner of some person".

Even commonsense tells me that a Pastor that builds a 50,000 seater capacity hall with AC isnt going to live there, he is doing it for people who will seat in so they can be comfortable and undistracted during services. If a pastor builds a 50 bedroom mansion and converts the Parlour into a church hall, I can understand if you label him a thief. Not a man who fitscomfy seats, with AC into a church.

Is that not a confused bible reader.

He said dont pay tithe, give your tithe to the poor, widows and beggar, tithe is old testament, afterall Abraham paid tithe once. He said the new testament preaches only offerings and giving to the poor. Tithe is old testament and is from the law. The Christian is not under law but grace.

But a good man who studies the bible already know that even giving to poor, in the new testament is a practice culled from the same law in the old testament.

The first time giving to the poor in scripture is mentioned, it was in the law. Nowhere did Abraham feed the poor, no jacob feed widows, even Joseph the Man of God in egypt was never credited to feeding the hungry during famine. He made slaves of them, the price being food. That was how Egypt grew to be great.

Abraham tithed before the law unto God through Melchizedek, the children of israel under the law tithed thrice to the priest. Abraham - who was not under the law - tithed to honour God after the battle of the 5 kings, your pastor say honour the Lord with tithe, you say Daddy Freeze say no, like say Freeze na your bible.....

New testament Christian never gave tithe, that is true. They gave a 100% of all they had and not tithe (10%). Why did Annaias and Sapphira die before their time? Because they sold what they had, kept part of it and told the apostles that it was all they had.

No Pastor as at yet has been recorded to have asked people to sell everything they have and bring the money to cburch, they only ask that you honour the Lord with your tithe and then you go and mention new testament christians, that sold everything they had and laid at the Apostles feet, isnt that a sign of a man that reads the bible but fails to study it.......

A man says, according to the scriptures to honour the Lord with your tithe, you say the Lord is your creator, God is your father, but you preach against the tithe or giving to God in church, against those who honour men of God, against children, men and women going to church, against giving offerings, you tell them its okay to sleep with people who you arent married to, you tell them they are free to drink beer and alcohol in church, you tell them to start stoning pastors and to stop listening to them.

And some people who read bible, dont study and lack understanding actually clap for him and declare that he is "on point", he "knows the truth", simply because he throws some scriptures at them.

And you say God is your father, it is either you are confused or you have forgotten the face of your Father.

2 Corinthians 5: 11. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.............

PrecisionFx:
How can u just open a thread, skip the topic n then u start making posts upandan........Reread the article.

This guy wan use laugh kill me........

Chai! I have read it 3 times and yes I commented before I read.

But you see I just posted what the bible already says.....

1 Corinthians 14: 2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


If I speak in tongues to you, except you understand what I am saying, it useless and hopeless just as you said. But that is to you and not God, that is what 1 Corinthians 14:2 says.

Think of the scripture 1 Corinthians 14 as a comparison between speaking in tongues vs prophesying in tongues. All through out the bible from the old testament to the new testament, everything the Spirit came upon them, they prophesied.

The difference between the old and the new is that the new did it in other tongues. So Paul simply said here, if you must prophesy in tongues let maximum of 3 prophets stand and listen to your prophesy and interpret it - mind you, interpretation of tongues is also a gift as seen in 1 Corinthians 12:10.

Prophesy one at a time and let just one person speak the interpretation. But if no interpretation/interpreter is available, dont talk to the church, stay where you are and continue to talk to God since only he understands you.

He also said somewhere in 1 Corinthians 14 that, dont just seek to prophesy when you pray in tongues but pray for interpretation, meaning I can speak in tongues and offer the interpretation myself........

But what he spoke against, was that on no account must you prophesy in tongues to the congregation because tongues is a sign for those who dont believe but prophesy/interpretation is a sign for those who (want to) believe.

1 Corinthians 14: 22. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24. But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

[quote author=mickeymimi post=63125748][/quote]My friend stop using big big grammar to confuse things.....

You said

"Baptism in the Holy Spirit is an experience that occurs following conversion. When we confess and accept Jesus as our Lord and personal saviour. The moment of Salvation. For by one Spirit are we all baptised into one body ."

This is the only reason I really mentioned you. I gave scriptures to correct this notion

Acts 19: 1. And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2. He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

These men already believed and were baptised but not of the Holy Spirit. They believed, confessed but were not Baptised of the Holy ghost - which the bible states is not of water but of Fire by the Holy Spirit. They were already converts but knew nothing of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10: 44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

These men did even have time to confess, they were listening to Peter give a sermon when they were baptised in the Holy Spirit -straight from Heaven - without laying of hands by Peter or without Peter's permission so what are you still saying?

Study further to brighten your understanding, abi na copy and paste from google search you just give me.......

PrecisionFx:
Any tongues that cannot be interpreted is a very useless n senseless n hopeless tongue.

To you not God, at least that is what the bible teaches.....

mickeymimi:
It is a mistake to assume that speaking in tongues is synonymous with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It is scriptural teaching which says that all who are baptized by the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues. Not all spirit filled Christians will or speak in tongues .....Eph 1> 13 Tongues was a miraculous gift that had a specific purpose for a specific time.

Baptism in the Holy Spirit is an experience that occurs following conversion. When we confess and accept Jesus as our Lord and personal saviour. The moment of Salvation. For by one Spirit are we all baptised into one body . . . ” (1 Corinthians 12:13).

the gift is a bestowment of God’s grace. It is not a natural ability that one might develop, but rather a special gift. following the listing of the gifts interpreters , teacher etc, Paul adds, “But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will” (1 Corinthians 12:11).

No one person has all the gifts, nor are we to seek the gifts...Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (love), I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal “ (1 Corinthians 12:31,13:

New tongues or unknown language

In verses 9-11 the languages are then identified. It was a miraculous phenomenon which enabled the disciples to speak in languages which they had never learned to communicate the gospel.
And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galileans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?” (Acts 2:7,



“So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into air” (1 Corinthians 14:9).

If you posses the gift and no interpretation ........you can use it to minister to yourself quietly especially in church. .But if there is no interpreter, he should remain silent in the church and speak only to himself and God. cor 14:28

Chai!!


Acts 19: 1. And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2. He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.





Acts 10: 44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

My friend be careful for both these scriptures contradict your postulation, you didn't even state what you alleged as the purpose of the tongues as given in that specific time. But went on to give the strangest lecture of the year.

Study broader on the subject, God will see you through......

Etuagievin:
This guy is on point . Though many will still disagree. I know he read the bible before speaking out

The same freeze that told Amber rose that sex with her boyfriend is not really a sin? Na that one be the "dey on point" whey you dey talk about?

Okay! This is the bible, I didnt write it, read for yourself

1 Corinthians 14: 2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

You see where all this came from? It had nothing to do with tongues really but prophesy. If I speak in unknown tongues, no man understands me, its just God who does. But if I prophesy, I do it to be a blessing to the listeners, not to show off, or to let people know that I am too spiritual, as it seemed to be the case in the church in Corinthians.

Paul even went further to ask a question in verse 6

1 Corinthians 14: 6. Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

In other words, If I prophesy in tongues to you, who the tongues epp?


Read further....

1 Corinthians 14: 9. So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 10. There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 11. Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.



If I dont say something in a language you understand, tell me how you will hear? He said there are many kinds of voices/sounds but none without importance - which baffles me why freeze will call a man's attempt to commune with his own maker Spiritually, fake, since when did freeze have the gift of interpretation of tongues (as seen in 1 Corinthians 12:10) to decide which is fake or not?

He said in verse 11, if I dont know the meaning of what a man say, he just sounds like a barbarian. What freeze quoted is what Apostle paul advocated as the solution to prophetic utterance in other tongues to the congregation.........


1 Corinthians 14: 27. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. -

Thats all!!

I love what paul said earlier on verse 20. And I say this to Daddy Freeze and his followers.......

1 Corinthians 14: 20. Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.










If you study about the Corinthian church in the bible on the internet, you find out that was quite disorganised and immature in their dealings and that is why paul wrote this book

uvalued:
On tithe which was never explicitly stated in the new covenant to do... I agree with freeze. On his new antics against tongues, I agree with him becos



I see his ignorance and trying to forbids tongues and this is not done decently and in order.

#SpeakintonguesMyPeaceProsperity

Was giving to the poor and widows explicitly stated in the new covenant?

LxgIncrediboy:
Can you quote scripturally where you base off this your answers on. Thanks

Okay! This is the bible, I didnt write it, read for yourself

1 Corinthians 14: 2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3. But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

You see where all this came from? It had nothing to do with tongues really but prophecy. If I speak in unknown tongues, no man understands me, its just God who does. But if I prophesy, I do it to be a blessing to the listeners, not to show off, or to let people know that I am too spiritual, as it seemed to be the case in the church in Corinthians.

Paul even went further to ask a question in verse 6

1 Corinthians 14: 6. Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

In other words, If I prophesy in tongues to you, who the tongues epp?


Read further....

1 Corinthians 14: 9. So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 10. There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 11. Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.



If I dont say something in a language you understand, tell me how you will hear? He said there are many kinds of voices/sounds but none without importance - which baffles me why freeze will call a man's attempt to commune with his own maker Spiritually, fake, since when did freeze have the gift of interpretation of tongues (as seen in 1 Corinthians 12:10) to decide which is fake or not?

He said in verse 11, if I dont know the meaning of what a man say, he just sounds like a barbarian. What freeze quoted is what Apostle paul advocated as the solution to prophetic utterance in other tongues to the congregation.........


1 Corinthians 14: 27. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. -

Thats all!!

I love what paul said earlier on verse 20. And I say this to Daddy Freeze and his followers.......

1 Corinthians 14: 20. Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.




If you study about the Corinthian church in the bible on the internet, you find out that was quite disorganised and immature in their dealings and that is why paul wrote this book.

Study the bible and no Freezer, whether deep freezer or bedroom unit can confuse you......

KardinalZik:
FREEZE MADE ENOUGH SENSE THIS TIME AROUND.

Even Apostle Paul saw a situation where everyone spoke in tongues without an interpreter as senselessness and MADNESS.

Nope! Freeze made sense to his followers, much of whom lack understanding.

You dont speak in tongues to people, thats exactly what Apostle Paul addressed in those scriptures.......

As was typical in those days when people - whom the Spirit of God came upon and had a word to prophesy to edify the house - will come out and address the crowd, speaking to them in other tongues - as paul pointed out in scripture - is madness. He advocated for interpreters that understood each speaker and that they speak in an orderly fashion by course.


Praying in tongues on the other hand, is a different matter altogether, if I choose to pray in tongues, I address my maker and not the next man so its no issue.

That I spoke in tongues while I prayed isnt off, but you cant give a prayer point in tongues and expect all to understand, that is madness.

Freeze just thrives on 2 things, the misguided hatred that people have for Active/influential Christians/ministers and People who lack understanding of Scripture......

KardinalZik:
How?

Same man that told amber rose that pre-martial sex is not a sin, after all David and co had concubines.......

He is just trying to compete with some of these pastors for more followers on the gram, period......

Desire01:
His generosity is admirable no doubt




But why did the woman hold up that stack of cash in front of the camera, she doesn't even look happy, that's like an unwanted award. This is just generous self promotion

This is why, 1 libyan dinar = #264

The python don scatter everywhere finish......

Beress:
In summary, supporting Buhari was a monumental mistake - Dele Momodu

Lalasticlala

Sorry! It was not a monumental mistake.......

Mistakes are made when you make an effort to achieve a goal.

It was stupidity, plain and simple. A man like M.K.O Abiola will be rolling in the ground when his boys - who ought to be in the ground -will support an adult cat-fish look-a-like, who claims to be a democrat, when the 2011 massacre of corpers is still fresh in the hearts of those friends/family/parents who lost rare gems.......

Ewu gambia........

chiscolin101:
Still Available 1.250 First body.

Bia OP! First coming.......

Kkk

Hhh

Jj

Njjj

Naija robbin hood........

Make E no come be say na Itel phone na e dem dey do this kind wahala for......

Otherwise, na the owner of phone them suppose issue better slap......

missyadorable:
Now here it is: They have been married for almost 30 years with grown up children,all out of the house

They have been having problems as soon as the marriage started but the woman has managed to cope,fast and pray as expected by the society...despite the beatings,abuses and torture. At a point,her dad refunded the dowry and asked her to come home,she refused.Now both parents are late and they have been separated for abt 4 years.but as the children took sides with the woman and abandoned the man,he is now threatening to kill her diabolically or physically via charm or hired assasins...and he sends her such messages via sms.

What can she do?

Threaten him with life, simple........

missyadorable:
Engine needs replacing and you are selling the car 1.8M
You are a THIEF

For your mind now, you nah Nairaland Sars abi........

I am sure even hushpuppi with all his gucci experience in Malaysia will not be able to answer that question......

fuckerstard:
If a police man asks to see my phone, I don't see any reason why I would refuse to give him. I give them my phone to check anytime cos I've got nothing to hide, if you refuse to obey them you just gave them authorization to apply force.

It took me a while to understand the police, before you leave your house search yourself 3 times.

That's because you know nothing like Jon snow.

Its wrong for them to ask for it, its wrong for them to search it and it is absolutely wrong for them to harass, beat or arrest anyone for not doing so....

AlexCk:
Curve this, curve that.


Is it really all about curves?

I tire Oooh! I be wan check whether na even blackberry curve 4 or curve 5 she carry sef......

Lexusgs430:
Brid - less aka Lobrid.... Worrying when sellers don't know item they are trying to sell.......

That is to say.

Aka one chance motor........

Jochabed:
Bobrisky needs the hand of God.

Yes! The back-hand to be precise.......

Bbk

StrawberryGloss:
Some Light skinned Boys are just naturally dumb

Says the human whose Moniker is strawberrygloss.......