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The same way other countries that have lot of immigrants/non-natives deal with it?

wtf man?

Have you been to Canada?

Houston?

London?

How does it matter on a day to day basis?

Why do you love constantly inventing problems that don't exist or have easy solutions?

shymmex: The name AFRICA and BLACKS alone would scare investors off - and it's a known fact that Europeans/USA would never invest in a country they can't exploit.

South Korea was developed by America for strategic reasons...

Bleh

Not this sh1t again

Come on dude, this is 2012, not 1950s or antebellum North Carolina..

shymmex: The split up is not going to be as easy as you think it is going to be. Ijaws/Isoko may lay claims to either Ilaje or Itsekiri lands in Delta - don't you think that would get the Yorubas involved?

How about the Fulanis in Ilorin? You think they would just vacate, where they have lived for generations - and move up North.. It would also be an uphill task to tell all the ethnic groups in Lagos to go back to their home states - bare in mind, some of them have been there for generations - and Lagos is the only place they know.

Ultimately, they'll resolve the issue in Delta one way or another. It would be silly to say that I don't want Nigeria to split because of it.

Ain't too many Fulani in Ilorin. They can stay there leave...it doesn't matter, really. Who cares?

Regarding Lagos, I am not advocating Hitler-style mass deportation or something...whoever is there presently can stay.

I personally don't much care about Delta. I do care about the Itsekiri, though.

All I am saying is...there are some fairly safe bets one can make about who will align with who once Nigeria splits. So shymmex's fears are unfounded, in my opinion

Anyway, I don't particularly want this into a Delta thread though...let's simply agree to disagree.

Basically if Nigeria splits up, and if your concern is that Yorubaland in Kwara or Kogi will somehow join the North, I think your concerns are overblown.

Their leaders aren't morons, right? Lol.

And certainly the people are not morons.

Regarding Itsekiri...well in my opinion, when Nigeria splits up, so will Delta State, and the various groups there will realign with whoever they feel more comfortable with.

But that is neither here nor there. Long story short, stop borrowing another man's trouble.

Kwara and Kogi will be fine. The Sarakis are big boys and not entirely stupid.

If Nigeria splits up, no doubt Itsekiris will also be able to determine where they want to go.

Again, this is another issue that can be handled easily by referendum.

It is somewhat annoying how relatively simple matters that can be solved pretty easily, you turn into dragons

What is up with all these Yoruba folk who are so fearful for others.

Fasoranti concerned about the north, shymmex concerned about middle belt and SS.

Stop worrying about the other man, start caring more about the welfare of your own people.

This is one think about one Nigerianists that piss me off. If you believe that Nigeria maximizes our best interest, fine, I can respect your POV.

But saying that Nigeria should remain one because of somebody else WTF type of logic is that?

Your children should starve or suffer so that somebody else's family can be OK? Fvck that other family

shymmex: ECOWAS is different from NAFTA - ECOWAS is similar to EU - where citizens from member states are allowed to move freely, within the member states without a visa.. In the case of EU, and probably ECOWAS - you're also allowed to have the same rights as the citizens of your host country.

Rather than the bolded "probably", can you let me know for a fact that ECOWAS membership requires freedom of movement?

And if it does, simply leave...problem solved.

It doesn't make any sense to turn housecats (a tiny problem) into lions (huge problem)..

I don't think that this is an issue of low self-esteem or whatever.

I mean, if one only pays attention to what other Nigerians say, you'd come to the following two conclusions:

A) Nigeria is entirely dependent on the oil.
B) It is impossible for a country to get wealthy let alone maintain standard of living if you suddenly lost oil.

However, it turns out that both of the above are false.

Shymmex, regarding (A), I'd suggest that you start to poke around the Nigerian economy #s a bit more. That should change a lot of things for you. Regarding (B)...all I can say is to read Lee Kuan Yew's book. It will change your life...or at least the way you view developmental economics.

I like diversity too.

I speak Spanish for example and have many Mexican friends. One of my best friends is Indian.

That doesn't mean that the US, Mexico and India need to merge into one country...

A lot my friends are Ghanaian. Don't mean that yorubaland and ghana need to merge..

In any case, one can always leave Ecowas and find some more suitable trade organization to join with if it doesn't meet your interests.

What is the point of Ecowas sef...nobody in West Africa makes anything. How useful can a free trade organization be when there is nothing to trade?

Less focus on useless trade organizations, more focus on actually making stuff

shymmex: You know we're going to be part of ECOWAS, right??

So? What part of ECOWAS says you have to let everybody in your country?

US, Canada and Mexico are part of NAFTA. Yet the US doesn't allow Mexicans to enter the country willy nilly..

Eh...I remember how Tinubu attracted a big Enron power barge which he wanted to use to provide electricity for Lagos State.

Instead, the FG frustrated his efforts and forced the electricity to be routed to all of Nigeria.

This was in ~2000 or so, mind you, when Nigeria was much less attractive for investment than it is today.

I am sure that he didn't enjoy going to all that effort only to have his efforts frustrated for political reasons...what is the point of expending that effort to attract investment for your state if you won't see the benefit of it?

Until today those barges are providing electricity for Nigeria. A large amount of our production, iirc.

Anyway, I don't think things can really work in Nigeria...too long a story to go into right now.

Let it just suffice for me to say that I don't believe in the future of Nigeria, but think my own piece of it can work pretty well..

shymmex: How will you get money to finance everything

How will I get the money to cut costs and wasteful spending? Elecricity costs money, but if you attach a profit incentive (rather than the current situation in Nigeria), the private sector will take care of it for you.

Federalism doesn't cost money...hunting for investment doesn't cost that much. If you have credible, internationally respected leadership and there is:
a) rule of law
b) less red tape
c) decent infrastructure/electricity

then attracting investment is not impossible.

, and what about the mentality of the people??

Nothing wrong with the mentality of Yoruba folk. Perfectly suitable people to build a country with..

And how would you deal the influx of migrants from the former Nigeria - who may be less fortunate in their new republics??

Same way everybody else deals with this problem...border security

Taxation is another biggie of course

shymmex: ^^^How will you do that?

1. Electricity.
2. Federalism...LG as the basic unit of government. Possibly even smaller than this.
3. Reduced bureaucracy and red tape.
4. Dramatically shrink the cost of governance.
5. Spend a lot of time hunting for investment. Factories, outsourcing facilities, call centers...basically any area where we might have a competitive advantage.

This are just a few of the obvious things...I've said more ideas in the past but never written up say a blueprint that assembles all of them

This is just classic short term versus long term stuff.

It might be painful at first, but I am pretty damn sure that I can build a more successful country with my part of Nigeria than the present situation...

If that is his analysis/motivation, then I think that it is arguably off.

A good case can be made for being better off apart...

Certainly the direction the economy has been heading over the past 15 years or so (with oil wealth a shrinking part of the overall economy), I'm not convinced that the most intelligent thing to do is to want Nigeria to remain one by all means.

Likely one can achieve higher growth apart than together...

Anyway, if that is his motivation and he speaks out of what he thinks is the best for the SW rather than useless concern about someone else's problems, then I can respect it.

Doesn't matter...I'd rather be right and alone rather than wrong and with millions who agree with me

I don't know much about this guy (Reuben Fasoranti), but I've never heard of him being some sort of north lover

Too much sentiment and drama associated with something that is a technical definition.

You can hate the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and still be a Nigerian.

You can love it, but if you don't hold a passport of the country you aren't Nigerian.

No reason to mix emotion in this..

Err.

Is this a trick question?

Citizens of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, basically.

Does it require much more depth than this?

Most of this sectionalism stuff comes from people fighting over their share of somebody else's money.

If 95% of the projects that happen in your state come from money generated internally, then will you be obsessed with whether your homie is president or not?

You won't care that much..

In the Western region days...the leader was Ijebu.

Most of the cocoa wealth came from Ondo. Most of the free education money came from Ondo cocoa.

Taxes essentially on the cocoa farmers.

I don't remember them b1tching and moaning saying that Awolowo should be sacked and replaced with somebody from Ondo...

I don't remember them wanting to secede or whatever.

I think this sectionalism was something evil that occurred after the military tore up the form of gov't we had when the British left.

If Yorubaland is restored to the form of government we had at independence, then I think we'll be overall fine.

Plus sectional sentiment TODAY is Yorubaland is a helluva lot weaker than it was in the 50s and 60s in Awo's day..

The Ekiti thing in the 1990s was in hindsight a bad idea. But then again, can you blame them?

Is it their fault that the FG allocation formula rewards you for having your own state? Is it their fault that the executive branch of states are so strong, much stronger than the legislature?

When you are trapped in a bad political structure that rewards silly behavior, doesn't mean you'll behave foolishly in a good political structure.

Why would all the presidents be from Ijebu?

Anyway, let's suppose that happens.

It would only personally annoy me if the guy was a sectionalist himself.

I.e., he decides to steal federal wealth to enrich his own part of the SW.

But if the FG is relatively weak, states are strong, and the presidency weak, then this won't happen.

Or do you see Obama diverting everything to Hawaii/Chicago? He doesn't...and even if he wanted to, he can't

I don't get the point of this statement.

What business is yours how good/bad the north does after Nigeria breaks up?

Why is it his concern?

[quote author=too_badoo]thanks jare[/quote]No problem. You can probably find it on one of the torrent sites if you look around.

Hmm. An interesting question.

Not sure that I agree. Certainly my family vs. say my town...our interest never conflicts. We don't earn our living from our town or state.

Me personally, I'm motivated by the best interests of the SW zone and Yoruba people more generally. I don't think there would be a conflict of interest even after Nigeria divides. Sure, i'd advocate Ekiti interest, and the interest of my town. But not to the extent that I'd want to cheat somebody else.

Honest advocacy rather than selfish.

So I don't agree...that you are a Yoruba chauvinist doesn't necessarily mean that you are a X state/Y town/Z family chauvinist...

naptu2: He explained that Tolu, who had already been awarded scholarship to study law at the Obafemi  Awolowo University Ile-Ife, would enjoy a special financial support from the state government for as long as she remains in the academic line.

He said, “Apart from the full scholarship,  she will also benefit from the government’s annual bursaries and scholarships and other packages provided for Law students both at the university and the Law School by the state government.”

In addition, he said Tolu would be given N100,000 yearly throughout her university education and that the amount would be reviewed upward whenever she is ready for her post-graduate programme.

He added that Tolu  scored 290 in the 2011 Unified Tertiary Matriculation Examination and emerged the second overall best student in the Post-UTME conducted by the Obafemi  Awolowo University  Ile –Ife with 336 marks.

http://www.punchng.com/education/girl-with-nine-a1s-in-wassce-she-is-so-brilliant-her-teachers-feared-her-result-would-be-seized/

Her parents must be so pleased. I am proud of her. Anything a man can do, a woman can do better.

no link?

Eh...i dunno.

Didn't think the farming business is what a state should be spending money on..