₦airaland Forum

Wow.

Hrm. Always Borno State where these Boko Haram guys keep operating, no?

Q: Is privatized Electricity A Good Thing For The Average Nigerian?
A: Yes. As things stand now, PHCN charges rougly $0.04 per kWh for electricity, and averages at most 6 hrs a day. A generator is likely $0.30 or $0.35+ per kWh. At $0.20, a private operator will likely make a very healthy profit. But even at this price, almost everyone who consumes electricity in large amounts saves money, since he isn't getting large fractions of his energy from gasoline.

Sounds interesting. Of course, the terms and details of the offer are critical.

Is this b1tch crazy?

They 100%, absolutely, positively did die in vain.

Died for democracy? Wtf?

fstranger3:
@EKU

Thanks for your post as usual. At least, er are able to clear some misconceived assumptions and innuendos.

That said, it would be interesting to see how Kwara fares as well.


Do you mind posting the full table, i really do want to see how Lagos compares with Kano and Kaduna

Thanks!

Kwara is doing OK relative to the other states in Nigeria, especially those in the North. Kogi (the western part of which is a Yorubaland) only at 1400.
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One thing I'd like us do more in the SW is to move north. Especially to Abuja.

We have to be relentless in pursuing profit anywhere in Nigeria, or the world period. I feel that there are a lot of opportunities in northern nigeria which are not being taken advantage of fully. Yes, there are risks (especially security), but also great rewards.

This is one thing about the Igboman I've always admired. . . his willingness to move anywhere to make money.

scholes0:
^^ Good response!!!

That is what I am talking about,  Backing up opinions with credible sources, 
As everyone can clearly see now, The SW, even withlout Lagos still Thumps the SE in Total Economic size {In terms of GDP}, Income per head{In terms of GDP per capita} Total population, Even distribution of people, AKA Population density,
So, can someone else take the effort of explaining to me the basis of the title of this ''Fake backside'' thread?

Dude. . . SW Nigeria still sucks @ss. Even if we are doing better than the SE, is that really so impressive?  We aren't doing as well as Brazil or China. Or South Africa. Or Libya. Or Egypt 

We cannot afford to rest at all. Look at Singapore which we were ahead of the 1960s and are now behind. Palm Oil which was a big business in the SW and Nigeria, now Malaysia is the leader (iirc).

Still a lot of work to be done, bruh.

I'm just not a fan of research unless we first take advantage of what is already known. We've not done that in Nigeria.

Get 24/7 power supply first, then I'll be happy to spend as much as you want on research.

No point putting the cart before the horse, imo.

Missy85, you disappeared for a while! We missed your posts, which are usually of high quality.

Missy85:
agree with OP. re Lagos sucking the life out of Ibadan & anything within 5-6hrs drive.

I understand in the 70s Ibadan was the largest(most populous?) city in sub-sahara africa. So how has it somehow disappeared off the raidar? As you rightly indicated, Lagos has brought it to its knees.

It's a big problem for d south west, as most of their investments are in Lagos & they are relaxed about it, which is ok.

I used to think it was a problem, but am not sure it is. Ultimately, it is probably more efficient for people to concentrate in high-density areas and leave rural parts for farming. It sucks for my town since it is rural and kids there are being sucked to Ilesha, Ogbomosho, Ado-Ekiti, Lagos, Abuja, etc. But overall it is probably good for Yorubaland.

Just to give u an example,  even in far away s.western states like Ondo & Ekiti, people are relaxed if a relative is based in Lagos. But tell them you are based in Minna or Aba, to them it's as good as being in Mali! They feel sad for you being so 'far away' from home lol. But they dont apply d same yardstick for Lagos.

Driving distance from Lagos to Ekiti is like 4 hrs? Minna is much, much further away. Aba is also further away I thought. Plus security is a big issue in certain parts of the north, as well as the SE.

But this 'lagos is home' thing is in reality a big downer for the other states, who really need to come out of d shadows of Lagos a bit. And there is plenty of potential in some of these states.

Agreed.

I notice for instance that Akure is almost equi-distant from Lagos & Abuja. Benin is just 2hrs down a relatively good motorway (at least on d Ondo side). Ado Ekiti, the Ekiti capital is 25mins from Akure, & it is difficult to enter Ekiti without passing through Akure. Most of the trucks from d north pass thru Akure on their way to Lagos. All of these factors should at least make Akure a fantastic regional/national distribution base with huge warehouses everywhere, & factories. But I dont see any of that.

And some of these politicians parade big qualifications, but can they see d big picture & actively promote/provide an enabling environment in their states?

Indeed. I want a tolled highway built from Lagos to Abuja. Something like that would supercharge the economies I think of all the involved states. I don't know why these SW governors aren't getting this thing done 

Instead they want to invest in harebrained, crackpot projects. . . very frustrating.

Ikengawo:
Through visits, eye witness accounts, and reading, it's clear that development of the average township or village in the southwest lags behind development in the average village or township in the southeast

i don't believe this is because somehow the southeast is 'better' then the southwest, or that any region reached it's point of development on 'purpose'. These are simply the laws of land pricing and economics coming into play, as well as a difference in natural resources and investment potential.

Hrm, when comparing the SW minus Lagos to the SE. . . well, a couple things immediately jump at me:
1) The SW minus Lagos is a lot larger landwise than the SE. Oyo State alone is about the same size as the 5 SE States; roughly 29k sq km (SE) versus ~81k (SW, including Lagos).
2) Population densities in the SW minus Lagos are lower. Pop density in the SE is 563/sq km. Southwest WITH Lagos State is 348/sq km. W/O Lagos, pop density in the SW drops down to 244. (Note that these #s are from the 2006 census data, which is of questionable reliability.)

Now, what is the impact of pop density on economic productivity? Seems to me that higher pop densities lead to a stronger economy, at least with Nigeria as it currently is.

the #1 factor contributing to slower growth in places like Oyo, Ondo, and Osun is the existence of Lagos.

Think about it on simple terms. Why would I invest in any of these places, right next to a burgeoning metropolis of nearly 18 million modern people. Therefore, any yoruba man, or outside investor is a lot more inclined to take his business and attention to Lagos before ever considering Ibadan.

You will always reach the Ibadan market from Lagos business wise, and therefore the Southwest has no comparative advantage against Lagos. It's simply too powerful and promising to compete with and therefore will drain the human resources of it's immediate neighbors.

Yep, brain drain, essentially. All the talent in the SW (and Nigeria more generally) is being sucked away into Lagos.

With that said, while Lagos has caused Ibadan to lose its preeminent status in Nigeria, from what I know from people on the ground, business in Ibadan is still very good. But if you are a big multi-national, you'll target the Lagos market first (for example).

in the east, there's the luck of the draw in the fact that the region doesn't have 1 ultra powerful city, but instead several moderately promising ones. I won't be a fool investing in Owerri to reach on market and Enugu with my next investment to reach another, but it makes little logical sense to invest in Abeokuta when Lagos is right there and SO much more promising.

Hrm, more it is that population densities are uniformly high there and less variable than in the SW, so most places in the SE are probably suitable for business. SW, not so much. . . too much variance.

I believe in the future as land prices in Lagos become too high, the middle class grows, and living in the inner city becomes less sensible, the rest of the Southwest will boom exponentially from the suburban influx of middle class Lagosians flooding into their cities.

Well, this is already happening. Lots of people have businesses based in Ogun which target the Lagos market. Consider this article for example on Nestle, which opened up a factory in Ogun recently: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-18/nestle-nigeria-full-year-profit-climbs-29-as-sales-rise.html

Once power supply is fixed in Nigeria, I wouldn't be surprised if Ogun becomes the pre-eminent manufacturing state in Nigeria. . . just because it is cheaper to get stuff done there than in Lagos.


Now, with all that said. . . do the non-Lagos SW states all suck @ss, especially compared to the SE states?

Let's take a look and see, using the data from the following Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_GDP

As well as the 2006 census data.

I actually don't completely trust these PPP #s btw, but since I don't have any better #s, let's see what it says:

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As we can see from the above, Delta, Rivers, Lagos, Edo and Imo seem to be the best states on a GDP/capita basis (I know, seems a bit suspect that Imo is wealthier than Anambra. . . but I don't have any better data.)

How do the SW states minus Lagos do? Well, Oyo and Ogun appear to be the leaders. Ekiti State is the laggard, at only $1200  Agreggated over those states, we get a GDP/capita of $2430ish.

In comparison, SE states are at $2246.

Comparing total GDP, we get $45 billion for the SW minus Lagos, 36.7 billion for the SE. Population, we get 18.6 million for the SW minus Lagos, 16.4 million for the SE.

So long story short, the SW minus Lagos doesn't suck (aside from Ekiti, which is performing terribly in comparison to the other Yoruba states.) We certainly are not doing as well as we can and should be doing. Here are the following areas where we can improve:

[list]
[*] If/when electricity comes to Nigeria, we can invest in manufacturing and shift our economy to this.
[*] Improved agricultural productivity.
[*] Better governance.
[*] Improved tax collection, revenue generation.
[*] Continue poaching talented individuals from elsewhere in Nigeria and Africa.
[/list]

But make no mistake. . . the lion's share of the strength of Yorubaland is in Lagos. It is our capital city, and ultimately is the driver of economic progress across all of Yorubaland.

excanny:
This is close to 3 hours that you put this thread up here, and those Yorubas who use to applaud you wherever you are bashing the Igbos are nowhere to be found. Take for a change that this post is criticizing the Igbos, you'll see how they'll flock in here in excitement.

Ikengawo, I hope you are beginning to get an understanding of how other nigerians think. You seem like a fair-minded person(as most people in your shoe are), while the remaining nigerians live in denial.

It actually baffles me that many Igbos think like you do, feeling that others are open-minded as them. This is exactly my beef with the Igbo race(Nzeogwu, Ironsi, Zik, etc all ring a bell), never knowing how to differentiate friends from enemies.

I just hope you learn a lesson about your utopian Nigeria.

Na wa o. Look at this guy inserting tribalism into a thread primarily about demography, economics, and migration.

Everything he will want to see through tribal eyes

Read through a bit of this post on my phone while at the airport. . . going to reread now more carefully and comment. Anyway, phenomenal topic; I've thought about this a bit and am glad you raised the subject.

Interesting new posts in this thread, especially about the relationship between Ijaw in Ondo and Yoruba there.

I agree with whoever said earlier in this thread that Yorubaland needs to begin arming itself.

No reason to let others maintain a monopoly on violence.

dayokanu:
Why didnt they negotiate this before giving him the ticket?

Crying after split milk?

So If GEJ tell them to go F themselves, who would they vote for?

Good questions.

Good that the king was returned unharmed. But that doesn't balance things out, not by a long shot.

This doesn't make much sense, w/o basic infrastructure in Nigeria.

@Nchara: I'd still be happy to take that bet. If even half of that 45% figure is true (i.e., 22.5%) in Lagos, I'd be surprised.

And obviously even 45% in Lagos doesn't yield 50% in the SW.

How much money did you want to wager?

aloy/emeka:
They are muslims. Don't get it twisted. Hindus are not violent.

Lol. Hindus can be extremely violent, man. Just read up a bit.

I cannot be bothered to read through this thread.

Was there any response?

I wonder what sort of demon they will unleash if they by mistake harm that king.

Haba!

I don't get angry easily, but this has my blood boiling.

EzeUche_:
And I hope you realize that Biafra was over oil. The North after they had finished their pogroms wanted to secede, but the British talked some "sense" into Gowon and told him that Ojukwu and the Igbos would become a wealthy nation, because of all the oil.

Yep., starting to look like oil was a big reason. I wouldn't let those oilfields go myself, if I were in charge. I don't think anyone would.

The East remains conquered territory.

Starting to look that way, yep.

However, if there is another war, which may likely happen, do not think it will be the same dynamics. The world has changed.

Eh, probably a long discussion appropriate for another thread. . . but I'm not sure the dynamics has changed in your favor, personally. I'd much rather try to win a war with the resources of the Eastern Region behind me, rather than a land that has been divvied up.

Do you know that as little as 5 months ago, I thought the SE zone included Cross River and Akwa Ibom?

Looks like the region has been purposefully balkanized: http://insidenigeria.org/images/bigmap_of_nigeria.gif

@Ileke-IdI:

Wtf does bravery have to do with anything? A man cannot enter your home and slap you without you responding. If you do not respond, he will enter your house and slap you every day. Twice on Sundays.

Yes, take time to plan out exactly how you'll respond, etc, etc. But the town simply has to respond, one way or another.

If you need to invite the OPC to help you out, then do so.

If you need cash for weapons, ask around and I'm sure you'll get it.

But make sure you respond.

Ileke-IdI:
So some people are screaming what would the Odua nation do? As if we should carry guns and blades to fight because some half-baked millitants decided to "invade" Ondo?

Certainly the people of that town and whatever allies they can find had better carry "guns and blades" to do exactly that.

Or are these militants in tanks and jets, or something?  

Take money, buy guns, call up your allies and send a punitive expedition.

If the town doesn't respond at all, then maybe me too one day I'll go pillage it. Especially since they don't seem inclined to offer resistance.

As I said earlier in this thread, those maps I guess are evidence that Biafra will never come to be.

Maybe these claims of Yoruba cowardice are true.

Let's see how they respond. Seems to me that a punitive expedition to the town of these militants is in order.

Absolutely shameful. Why did these b@stard townsmen flee?

Chased out of their own town by rabble? To the point where they kidnaps your king?  Wtf is this?

Why didn't they acquire weapons and fight back?

What an embarrassment.

If they are unwilling to defend their lives and property, then I feel no pity if the Ijaw take it away from them.

Nchara:
I wager that 50% of the SW voters and 30% of the NW voters will be Igbos too.

I'd be happy to take that bet. How much money are you wagering?

ezeagu:
Delta minus Ukwuani, Aniocha and Ika, otherwise you also have a problem with their relatives over the Niger, although they can handle themselves.

Nope, taking that too. I fear no man or force in Nigeria, so long as I have an army

Obiagu1:
Sorry, it is too late. When SS was created that's when you lost Edo. Edo and Delta are firmly in Igboland. We'll leave Kogi for you (without the Igala) but we'll take Benue.
Abuja? Walahi, my eye dey there too  

What was lost can be regained  

Edo, Delta, Kwara, Kogi will all be returned to us, when it is all said and done. Niger, Bayelsa, and Nassarawa are new territories, though.

alj harem:
ok ok we are ready for un na make you na come where is usman dan fodio when you need him

Dan Fodio wasn't even your homeboy, he is a Fulani  

Or maybe we'll ally with the Fulani/Hausa to divide up Kanuriland  

alj harem:
chai, abuja, niger, nassa

invasion don begin already

Yes o!  

I just need an army, like my kinsman from the 1800s had. . .