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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:08am On Dec 26, 2018
MRTA7:
Imagine arguing about this current pool of defenders. None of which have leadership qualities and none of them are world class. They can sell them all and I wouldn't blink. By God's grace Jones and Rojo will be the first out the door. We shouldn't continue to habour mediocrity if we truly want to be be the best team in the country and in Europe. Even Smalling Bailey or Lindelof. I wouldn't lose any sleep over any of those mugs. You're not winning any major titles with those jokers.
To me all our players looked all bad two weeks ago. DDG, Pogba, Matic, Martial, Lingard and Rashford. I will have to wait to see if the Cardiff match was a fluke and how the whole setting plays out from now.

When I saw us play against City, I was beginning to blame myself for not joining the 'Mourinho out' crusade earlier. Although I am someone who is very patient and want to see clearly where a problem lies before taking a decision.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:48pm On Dec 25, 2018
Well, good say una no be coach. Una for don hurriedly take some decisions for United wey fit later turn out to be bad ones.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:46pm On Dec 25, 2018
chrisley024:
No double standard. Jones has been in the club before Shaw. So Shaw should be given one or two more seasons, and if he continues to be unfit should be sold as well. I already stated Rojo should join.
Unlike Shaw, Jones was fit in the beginning seasons.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:37pm On Dec 25, 2018
chrisley024:
Bar last game where everyone was good, Jones has been horrible for even the few minutes he has played in past games. Let's not even talk about his own goals.
Same can be said of all defenders except Smalling. Although even Smalling and Bailly have caused senseless penalties
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:11pm On Dec 25, 2018
In the Cardiff match, there were two of his headed clearances. Forget it, not many defenders would put their life on the line for such duels in a choked box.

He lacks height but does things some tall defenders cannot. My only prayer is that he says fit.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:06pm On Dec 25, 2018
We cannot say he didn't play many matches last season, only that he didn’t play full season. We can however blame his injury against Huddersfield in the early part of the match for the beginning of our woes last season. Lindelof was introduced in that match and caused two goals.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:47pm On Dec 25, 2018
ChristineC:
for how many matches has Phil Jones been available for selection this season? let's even forget about his time on the pitch for a moment.
You cannot define his career by one season. Remember he was rushed back from injury by Mourinho in the beginning of the season. It made him to go back quickly to injury. That has happened twice already.

Fact is that he has been more available than Shaw and Rojo.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:28pm On Dec 25, 2018
chrisley024:
Her point is clear; Jones is always unfit which is not news. Rojo should be sold with him also.
Jones is not always unfit. It is a recent thing. For instance in 2013/2014, he was the fifth most played player on the team, and seond most played defender behind Evra.

If it is however by injury raking that players should be sold, then Luke Shaw is the worst on the list.

Shaw
2015/2016 450 minutes
2016/2017 692 minutes
2017/2018 789 minutes

Jones
2015/2016 529 minutes
2016/2017 1585 Minutes
2017/2018 1975 Minutes

Do I see double standard here from CristineC and Chrisley024?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:14pm On Dec 25, 2018
ChristineC:
this is old skool views. Players with left foot play on the right comfortably and vice versa.
Patrice Evra played right back against Roma and even scored. Nemanja Vidic played LCB for years despite being less comfortable on the ball than Rio Ferdinand his partner.
Nani plays better from the left.
Mahrez plays better from the right.
Bros even Obinna Nsofor played better from the left.

The point is Phil Jones will rather be at home with his wife than join the men on the battlefield. Why is the club keeping him?
You are completely wrong here.

For a forward, it is better for a left footer to play from the right wing in modern three forward like Salah, Messi, Robben, Ronaldo, etc. But not same for defenders. Evra played from the right was a one off case. Ferdinand was not very comfortable playing from the left as much as the right. Vidic had a better balance.

If it is so easy, why has Bailly not played even one match from the LCB?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:44pm On Dec 25, 2018
ChristineC:
We both know he will not last 10 games before he takes his customary leave till around the end of this season. He's a fraud and has fleeced enough from Carrington to retire with. The only reason he has been retained this long is the color of his passport.
Rojo and Shaw have not stayed fit. Jones was even fit at the beginning of his life in Manchester United under SAF and Moyes. He did some decent jobs for SAF. Even Moyes used him for decent jobs, particularly against Bayern Munich in two legs, playing against Ribery and Robben from RB and LB at OT. Then against Ribery again in Munich, if my memory serves well.

But since Gaal, his case has got worse. Shaw was bought by Gaal but we have never enjoyed him. He came first with obesity, then a long injury, followed by another lack of physical fitness, then injury again. Rojo came too with injury. Bailly seems not left out of the curse.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:37pm On Dec 25, 2018
chrisley024:
Lol. Make I hear elampiro no reply this post that was against Jones. cheesy


elampiro rushing to comment whenever he sees a post against Jones.
Assuming everyone is starting on a clean slate, how can one suggest that the defnder who got the highest rating be sold?

Lingard, Martial, Herrera and Pogba were the only players rated higher than Jones on whoscored. The other time people were suggesting Matic, Young, Jones, Valencia, Lukaku, Fellaini etc to be sold. I was just laughing because such has become the way since Moyes time. Why not let the new coach try out the players first. Look at Matic, a friend who wanted him sold told me that Matic did not make a single back pass against Cardiff, so he has now change of mind.

I am just watching this new era to see how it unfold. I don't yet know who should be sold. I don't dislike any player.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:21pm On Dec 25, 2018
Even the commentator said it at the beginning of the match, that Oleg playing Jones on the left and Linderlof (who has been playing regularly) on the right tells what the coach thinks of the ability of Jones.

Going back, this has been the case since Van Gaal. Jones and Smalling, Jones on the less comfortable left. I think it was same with McNair.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:14pm On Dec 25, 2018
ChristineC:
Phil Jones should be sold, that guy is another fraud. I'd sell him first before any other defender in the team right now.

In midfield, Mourone Fellaini will likely be sold. If the kind of system OGS wants to play will be sustained then Fella's usefulness will be greatly reduced.

In attack, Romelu Lukaku can still score goals as long as teammates are not playing so far from him. However, if his lack of one-two technique or poor first touch is significantly reducing chances created by the team then he may just become a substitute. On the extreme, if the club can persuade a Paulo Dybala then he will be sold.
He will not be sold. Starting him on the left of the central defence with two right footed CDs means the coach thinks he is better than the other CD. Same thing other coaches have done with him when paired with the other right footed denfeders- Bailly, Smalling and Lindelof. Moreover, he was excellent against Cardiff in the start of the new era. He only needs to keep fit to improve his relationship with the ball. I mean ball use and timing of the ball. That can only come with regular games.

Rememeber this guy is a RCB but the last time he played that role was when he was paired with Rojo two seasons ago.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:46pm On Dec 25, 2018
Speaking to reporters after the game, Matic said of the Norwegian: "He is only two days with us but we had a few meetings. He said we need to play more forward, to be more dangerous in attack, to run more, to compete with everything and that's exactly what we did today and we are happy because of that."
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:14pm On Dec 23, 2018
afrodoc2:
So are you finally sticking with “he has underperformed”? Are you categorically starting that Messi has underperformed?.

No come change mouth again o. Why you dey behave like that NSCDC Oga at the top officer na?
Messi has largely underperformed in the world cup when put in perspective of his club's performance.

Messi has underperformed in the world cup when compared to Mbappe, and some other players. Even Kane scored in one world cup all the goals Messi has been scoring for decades in the world cup

Messi would not be said to have underperformed in the world cup when compared to Rooney and Ahmed Musa.

The conclusion therefore is that Messi cannot replicate his form when taken from world class team mates.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:49pm On Dec 23, 2018
afrodoc2:
He has underperformed, he has not underperformed, back to he has underperformed.

Ogbeni stay one place let this L meet you for house. grin
He has underperformed. Mbappe has already outperformed him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:31pm On Dec 23, 2018
eph12:
This is so unlike you


You don't know ball
Na wetin you dey find you get.

When put in perspective of his club performance, Messi has largely underperformed in the world cup.

U no know book
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:38pm On Dec 23, 2018
eph12:
So we're back to using goals to rate performance?
World Cup Top Scorers

Harry Kane
England
96 mins per goal

573 mins played

6 Goals scored

0 Assists

Antoine Griezmann
France
143 mins per goal

570 mins played

4 Goals scored

2 Assists

Romelu Lukaku
Belgium
119 mins per goal

476 mins played

4 Goals scored

1 Assists

Denis Cheryshev
Russia
76 mins per goal

304 mins played

4 Goals scored

0 Assists

Cristiano Ronaldo
Portugal
90 mins per goal

360 mins played

4 Goals scored

0 Assists

Kylian Mbappé
France
134 mins per goal

534 mins played

4 Goals scored

0 Assists

Artem Dzyuba
Russia
111 mins per goal

333 mins played

3 Goals scored

2 Assists

Eden Hazard
Belgium
173 mins per goal

518 mins played

3 Goals scored

2 Assists

Mario Mandzukic
Croatia
203 mins per goal

608 mins played

3 Goals scored

1 Assists

Ivan Perisic
Croatia
211 mins per goal

632 mins played

3 Goals scored

1 Assists

Yerry Mina
Colombia
100 mins per goal

300 mins played

3 Goals scored

0 Assists

Diego Costa
Spain
107 mins per goal

320 mins played

3 Goals scored

0 Assists

Edinson Cavani
Uruguay
114 mins per goal

343 mins played

3 Goals scored

0 Assists

Wahbi Khazri
Tunisia
132 mins per goal

264 mins played

2 Goals scored

2 Assists

Philippe Coutinho
Brazil
218 mins per goal

436 mins played

2 Goals scored

2 Assists

Takashi Inui
Japan
146 mins per goal

292 mins played

2 Goals scored

1 Assists

Neymar
Brazil
225 mins per goal

450 mins played

2 Goals scored

1 Assists

Luis Suárez
Uruguay
225 mins per goal

450 mins played

2 Goals scored

1 Assists

Luka Modric
Croatia
347 mins per goal

694 mins played

2 Goals scored

1 Assists

Sergio Agüero
Argentina
89 mins per goal

178 mins played

2 Goals scored

0 Assists

Mohamed Salah
Egypt
90 mins per goal

180 mins played

2 Goals scored

0 Assists

Ahmed Musa
Nigeria
104 mins per goal

207 mins played

2 Goals scored

0 Assists

Mile Jedinak
Australia
135 mins per goal

270 mins played

2 Goals scored

0 Assists

Son Heung-Min
South Korea
135 mins per goal

270 mins played

2 Goals scored

0 Assists

Andreas Granqvist
Sweden
225 mins per goal

450 mins

Where is Messi? Wether goals or helping his team, he has under performed in the world cup.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:04pm On Dec 23, 2018
patrickmuf:
You didn't see that turn he did much like Xavi? He should see more minutes than Fellini...
I always knew he'll do well in a system that doesn't prioritize defending. Fred also did well when he came on.
Until he plays from the start when score line is leveled or slim.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:04am On Dec 23, 2018
patrickmuf:
You obviously didn't see the game.
I saw the game. He and Fellaini came in at 86 minutes after Cardiff had been dismantled. He made three passes. One of them he was doing leg over and while almost lost balance, quickly made a pass. At that time there was plenty of hole in Cardiff defence.

You cannot judge a player that way.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has got the players smiling, according to Rooney

Wayne Rooney says former Manchester United colleagues confided in him about how the relationship between players and staff wasn't great in Jose Mourinho's final days at the club.

United's all-time leading goalscorer was at the club for 13 seasons before securing a move to MLS side DC United, and confessed he stays in touch with quite a lot people at the Red Devils.


Speaking on BT Sport prior to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's first game in charge of United, Rooney believes the club's decision to sack Mourinho was the right one.

"Yeah something had to change and I think it was the right decision," Rooney said. "Obviously the club have given Ole [Gunnar Solskjaer] the job until the end of the season and see how it does while they search for a new manager and try and make sure they get the right manager this time."

When asked if he's been in touch with anyone at the club, Rooney replied: "Yeh of course I stay in touch with a lot people at the club and speak to them quite a lot, certainly this week.

"To be a successful football club you need everything to be right. You need the staff at the training ground to be right, the groundsman, whoever that is, they need to feel happy and that rubs off on the players.

"And I think that relationship between some of the staff and some of the players wasn't great.

"But I think bringing Ole in, Mick Phelan in that will change. That already has changed.

"They're smiling, they're happy and that rubs off on the players.


I think it's a good move for the club while it gives them a bit more time to make sure they get the right manager in place in the summer and it's fascinating to see how Ole sets the team up and how they respond.

"They have to respond positively with a victory today."


https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-reveals-what-former-13768954
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:20pm On Dec 22, 2018
Phil Jones

94.8% pass accuracy. The highest among the starters

8 aerial duels won. The next was Luke Shaw 4

58 passes

5 long balls with 100% accuracy

1/1 shot on target

2 tackles

2 interceptions. The highest

6 clearances. The highest
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:12pm On Dec 22, 2018
The coach went for centre defenders who can pass best. One major difference is that our passes were faster As time went on, they players got more creative with the quick passes. Things were done high up the field. Jones showed leadership in the defence. Matic was a different player today, he was not slow. He passed forward and creatively. It made it looked like the players were even tired of Mourinho, because Pogba willingly took up some defensive responsibilities.

It is a perfect start for Oleg.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:05pm On Dec 22, 2018
patrickmuf:
We are creating chances again, no talk of defensive reinforcement, this is what you get when you press from the front, you recover the ball in advanced positions and can do damage as we did for the 5th goal.
Pereira is class...
Only one ball we he touch dey dance and almost lost it?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:25pm On Dec 22, 2018
eph12:
Bros there are so many if in football. Should we start counting all the ifs now?
But we don't count if for Pele. Yet people would want to compare Messi with the great Pele who was scoring in world cup semi and finals to win world cup for Brazil. Messi has failed Argentina in the world cup and Copa America. Chikena.

You no know ball.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:09pm On Dec 22, 2018
eph12:
And that form you're talking about is scoring goals na.
If he scored that 1 vs 1 with the keeper in the final, Argentina could have won the world cup.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:49pm On Dec 22, 2018
eph12:
Yet you claimed Messi underperformed because he didn't score goals in the final. What's football about this time?
I didn’t say he underperformed. I said he has not been able to replicate his form for national team as he does for Barca, particularly in cup finals.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:35pm On Dec 22, 2018
eph12:
You claimed Di Maria outperformed Messi, but you can't explain how. Messi didn't perform well because he didn't score in the final, but in the same matches they both played, Messi had more contributions to goals than Di Maria. How do we reconcile these?
If football is all about goals, Modric would not have won best player of the world cup and other awards.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:54pm On Dec 22, 2018
eph12:
Stay one place na
He has not got them through finals. It was you who brought the matches before the final. So I followed you there. But Messi and Ronaldo must score in UCL finals for clubs
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:08pm On Dec 22, 2018
eph12:
Messi - 4 goals and 1 assist
Di Maria - 1 goal with no assist

But but Di Maria was the one carrying the team. You go fear superior logic
Football is not only about goals and Assists.

Messi is not able to replicate his Barca form for national team due to the difference in quality of player. Simple.

It was same with Giggs, Weah, and many others. Mbappe has already carried his team more than Messi and Bale. Team mates matter.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:25pm On Dec 22, 2018
eph12:
Is it true that when someone says "I have said what I said ", it means the person has ran out of points to defend his position and just being stubborn to accept superior argument?
Your argument about Messi is too weak and inferior to stand.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:30pm On Dec 22, 2018
eph12:
Don't you think that in the light of facts, you need to change what you know about Messi international career?

Maybe Pogba would play better where he doesn't have to do anything. I would play better too if that's what you're insinuating.

Was that not why the club coughed out 500k per week to sign one of the best players in the league? Was that not why the club signed the most expensive striker in the league? Plus experienced players like Matic and Mata. What Sane is doing at City, Martial can do same too or are you saying Martial is not good enough?
We did not have the quality of City players and depth of the team to start with. Have you thought why every big player that has come since 2015 has flopped? Di Maria, Falcao, etc. Even up coming players like Mephis De Pay?

We do not have Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand and Carrick to start smoothly from the back. Then coupled with inexperienced forwards.

As for Messi, I have said what I have to say. Messi and Ronaldo will never be able to do what they did for club in the National team due to quality of players discrepancy.

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