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Cristalz:
Wherez Kit?
You jinxed Nasri with your soothsaying.  .  .

He's called Jinxtradamus for a reason

^^^^^^^^^^

Who can replace him??

ElRazur:
This will keep going regardless. So here goes. Apologies for my insensitivity. It was a bad joke and a very bad one. I know the damage is done, but my post will be removed, so as not to offend people further.

I'm sorry if I came overly sentimental . . . I'll edit my posts too.

Cristalz:
So what are you now, a soothsayer?
Letz see how it goes. . .but in that middle, I expect full-blown pressure from Hull.

Dr Kit is like Pele . . . if he predicts sumn, the opposite happens

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abdurrazaq:
Kudos to all that have contributed to this thread. It's very possible to sell records and I mean massive units without diss/beef songs with examples in Nigeria.

It is possible . . . yeah.
But it's harder in hiphop . . . off the top of your head, can you name five successful rappers that have never been involved in beef??

abdurrazaq:
If my memory serves me right I, don't think Tuface as a solo artiste has ever release any diss track and yet we all know Tuface is a superstar in Nigeria. That does not mean he is holy pass those doing it because the competition he faced was not as stiff as what other artiste in other genre of music especially HipHop.

I agree with you, but just had to point out that Tuface kinda had a major thing with Faze.
He so totally milked the controversy in Plantashun Boyz in many verses in his songs.
See Me So was a complete beef track.

audio:
Well yes and no. Another rapper dissing you, is like the gauntlet being thrown down for a duel. You can either win, lose or it will be considered a draw. In Ja Rule's case 50 + label mates, dissed Ja Rule. It was his inability to come back with a convincing reply (ie Rugged Man) that was his undoing. Plus, headz were already tired of him and his cookie monster flow. Speaking for myself, i was glad when he was gone.

I don't know what you wanna call it . . . but without Hail Mary, Ja Rule would still be dropping major hits today.
Eminem killed Ja Rule, it's that simple.

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ElRazur:
Eldee,

I believe one can mark their territory without Beef records. Fela did without having "beef" with fellow musicians.

I am not sure if it was you who stated that Beef is just competition. Personally, I partially agree in the sense that it is a small and very minor form of competition, but it appears Artist may be going in this direction and forgetting about making music.

Yeah you can . . . but as a realist, the easiest way to get to the top is to get others out of your way.
It's not fair . . . but that's what the world has turned to.

Even in businesses . . . it's the EPL TV battle season this may, you'll soon start seeing them trying to strangle each other.

@audio
The Deathblow was Hail Mary . . . that was the song that killed Ja not Wanksta and stuff like that.

Besides, the main thing is, beef killed his career not anything else.

ElRazur:
I have read all replies and a few things I will just like to ask and state.

Please provide me a track where Sunny/Obey/Kollington went as far as dropping names? I think what we will find are songs laced with proverbs and fans end up saying "Oh it is directed at this and that"

Beef sells record? Really? I think Eminem's album was successful because he is good. I think Nas's album was good because he is one of the best and an album was much anticipated? Tupac's album - all eyez on me I believe is the most successful, this is down to about 24 or so tracks on it and to say it is successful as a result  of one track is perhaps far-fetched?

While I am shying away from discussing America's hiphop, I have to give a few instances as well. The Game got dropped because of beef, surely if it sells record, perhaps he may have been kept on? I think I remember Dre passing a comment that suggest he is not happy with Beef this and beef that?

Record labels also had meetings etc when the whole Naz and Jay Z thing was getting out of hand - they [nas and jayz] played it down that the were merely challenging themselves. This was after record labels voiced concerns if memory serves me right.


I respect the fact that some people will want to see Beef and Diss record, but then I am not one of those people and I am yet to say that my views are a representative of what people want. Just like any other person, I am merely voicing an opinion and giving my concerns.

Yes people will disagree with me, but then this is what makes this place a forum - an avenue to discuss/debate/interact. So please, let no one feel like I am proving like I know it al or my views is the ultimate one. Far from it.

What Sunny Ade and Kollington used to do were subliminals and they're present in modern hiphop beef too.

That's how all modern hiphop beefs start too. . . the only difference is that, in hiphop, wordplay is really important.
The ability to say sumn as witty as 'I rock hoes, y'all rock fellas'() Rockafella records . . . is needed more in hiphop than in Juju or Fuji.
Hence the need for nameplay.

All those albums had beef songs as their promo singles . . . same way Ruggedman had many good songs after the three diss-songs.
Listen to I Am Rugged, From Dublin With Love and Koko's Song off Thy Album Come and see what I'm saying.
Saying it's down to the 22 tracks is like saying promo singles and music videos are not necessary.

Eminem is great, but there are other good rappers out there too, we all know talent is only halfway . . . other things count.
The biigest influence on the success of these beef albums is the controversy that precede them, of course you'll flop if you do a full big album, but one or two beef tracks especially after you've been dissed shifts units faster than anything else.

I'm not saying you're enforcing views, I just don't like the way you make it sound like the 75-85% of the consumers that want beef are just stupid teenagers. . . and implying that artistes that do it are not creative and street-dumb in business.

Nice video . . . it even had a tribute to MJ's Thriller.

@topic and everyone
Instead of being sentimental, why don't we go into the science of causation??
Are we the ones begging for beef or are the artistes being autonomous with their choice of topics??

Jose Mourinho, a football manager got more press in about three years than Sir Bobby Charlton got in fifty years.
The fans loved him . . . his press conferences where more interesting than the football matches.
His pre-match press battles against other football coaches were famous. . . he left England and we were begging for him to come back.

Now that's not even music, but it begs the question, aren't we the ones creating the beef??

Honestly, Ruggedman and Modenine were friends till we, the fans created sumn between them. . . I witnessed it.
It starts from living room discussions about, 'hey Toyin, I think Drake is better than J. Cole'
It continues to, 'that's a controversial line, was he referring to Drake??' . . . these things spread till there's an all-out clamour for a reply, believe me, it's stronger than an encore at a rock concert.

King Sunny Ade said it in the song . . . 'Oro Mi Maje N'te'

'Bi Sonny Ade ban korin, woni Obe l'on bawi
Bi Obe mba ko tie, woni Sunny l'on bawi

Oro yi o sele, ko sele rara . . . oro jati o, awa o gbodo gbo mo'

We are naturally adversarial, it's been there since Australopithecus Africanus . . . there are so many artistes out there, marking your territory is really important.

I didn't like the Ruggedman thingy too, but you don't need to be overly sentimental about it.

Music first of all, is about expressing emotions to your listeners.
You don't like beef, cool . . . but to assume that other listeners don't like it is a misinformed conclusion.
Eminem's best selling albums are the beef albums, Tupac's best selling albums too . . . Ruggedman built one of the most successful Nigerian albums on Ehen, Peace or War and Big Bros, all beef song.

If, as you say record labels want sales . . . beef has delivered smoothly.

How can you say beef does not keep rappers on their toes?? Isn't it the Nas beef that made Jay-Z come out to admit that 'Ether made me stronger'??

If you know the history of hiphop, you'll know freestyling is not sumn everyone can do. . . it's just one section of hiphop, probably the most unimportant. . . how can a one-off memory test show who's better??
Pre-written beef is a chance for you showcase you ability to both your opponent and the audience and make money and streetcred at the same time.
That's killing five birds with one stone.

A good album is done for your target demographic. If they want beef, you give it to them.
In modern hiphop, the best battle-rappers are usually considered the best rappers.

Yeah, Tupac and B.I.G died . . . but that was people taking it too far, it was more to do with urban African American culture than just hiphop.
We have to separate those facts. . . you can't forcefully mix both incidents. . . now will Ruggedman shoot Modenine?? Or did KSA shoot Ebenezer Obey?? Dis Salawa Abeni stab anyone??
Let's stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

Beef has been in the Nigerian music scene for decades, not once have we heard of someone killing anyone, even in other genres of music . . . it has made careers, it has destroyed some . . . if the fans want it let it stay.

Cristalz:
Na so dem dey claim a*ss?

Letz see how it goes.  .  .right now I just can't decide who to make captain!

I'm going with Bent. . . he's playing twice next week.
Making him my captain will be perfect.

Rhymstein:
So eldee too is nw a modey fan @tosin

I'm not a Modenine fan, I just stand for truth and simple logic.

platinumnk:
go to bed jare

Hehehe . . . I really should actually.

ayettymama:
eldee u are goin??

ah ah

dont go now

stay-

come back

were gonna miss u

NOT!!

dunno wat he was doin here inthe 1st place!

You actually do enjoy making a fool of yourself don't you??
Well, I enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself, so keep talking.

stillwater:
Why do you want to finish his own? Go and buy your own jor.

Now way I'm getting into trouble with another Nairalander because of you guys

Eldee has left the building . . . thank you and goodnight

jaquan:
@eldee

wasnt gonna waste my time on u but from a brotha to another, argueing and fighting with girls over a guy who is hot or not is not a good look.  you very much sound like you enjoyit up the butt and hence tryin to project ursef on me, just change your intimacy from M to F and have a ball, its all good man ,  

Hehehe . . . I see where you're coming from.
I was being unnecessarily brash . . . but I sincerely thought it was sumn off the net till I saw your post.

It's alright for you to feel like that . . . but I do apologise.
I wouldn't have replied on this if I knew this was a pic off NL.

Oh sh[i]i[/i]t. . . I didn't mean for you guys to quote that!!!
I thought it was some random pic off the net.

Come on girls . . . you's lot have to unquote my last post.

stillwater:
In fact I'll give you two hours. Your designer beards don dey grow enter your mouth.

Tell the guy to pass me the concealer and the L'oreal foundation (Shade 2588)

stillwater:
Pretty boy o, metro o, open chest o, left shoulder tattoo o, gazing out the window o, he's not the hottest.

I used to do all that when I was thirteen. . . Missy B can testify

ayettymama:
nononono

pretty boi doesnt mean metro

JQ ia manly manly not pretty pretty!!

Yeah . . . staring out of the window.
That's so effing gay.

[quote author=TOPE2000! link=topic=411713.msg5675161#msg5675161 date=1268350858]LMAO . . . PLAT is def jaquan's PR [/quote]I thought American chics had taste . . . all my friends over there are into NFL players.
This dude looks like he's running for Mr Gay America

stillwater:
Roflmao!!!!!!!!! When you are done pass me your relaxer.

Only if you give me one more hour of mirror-hugging time.

Missy B:
Make sure You post the One You took in ma Bedroom.

Hey sexy . . . how've you bin??
Been learning Italian, just to improve our s[i]e[/i]x-talk.

[quote author=TOPE2000! link=topic=411713.msg5675121#msg5675121 date=1268350387]roflmao . .with bia bia decorations abi
i feel u jare

Boy have u read my post . . . . i dont do guys that spends time in front of the mirror than me [/quote]Abi ooh . . . I'm disappointed in all the rest of em.

FL Gators:
*death*

Tell me you're not one of em too??
Please just tell me.

[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=411713.msg5675114#msg5675114 date=1268350338]O ga o, is it something in the water, and all in one day too  

H202 and Netotse

190 and wo was that dude he was blowing kisses to earlier, off to check me journals

Igwe and Skfa1

and now Eldee and Jaquan


Ladies better start getting your priorities right and be afraid, be very afraid [/quote]Do you know what I mean by 'pretty boy'??
Aiite . . . pretty boy=metrosexual ninny.

[quote author=TOPE2000! link=topic=411713.msg5675103#msg5675103 date=1268350209]Pretty boy? hot damn [/quote]You too?? You attracted to sweetboys??
I'm not impressed at all.

stillwater:
Lol, come back here. Where is your pic?

Moi . . . nah just wait, I'm still shaping my eyebrows and perming my hair.
Since that's what NL chics fing attractive. . . .lol

WTF!!! That's such a f[i]u[/i]cking pretty boy. . .

I shouldn't be commenting on this thread anywayz.

Pass Out - Tinie Tempah

We bring the stars out,
We bring the women and the cars and the cards out,
Lets have a toast a celebration get a glass out,
And we can do this until we pass out


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