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@Sauron
One thing about arguing . . . READ OTHER PPLE'S POSTS!!!
Did you miss the part where I highlighted (and Ibime reaffirmed) that the rhythm is not bout the beats??

Anyways, Bamsyle just posted what was meant to be my comeback argument . . .
Ever wondered why it's called 'hip-hop'??
Ever wondered why we buy CDs and download I-tunes instead of just going to azlyrics.com??

I will post Canibus' lines from Beasts From The East here, bring Em's lines and tell me who's better on paper

Bamsyle:
Hot song El . . .

"You can't copy me I solo like Isolo"

- M.I (I'm Hot)

Dude's just simply ill, his wordplay's tight too


@topic
Your flow's basic(alkali), my lines are acidic

M.I - I'm Hot

No one wants to try me like an AIDS test

M.I - I'm Hot

For those of you that say lyrics are more important . . . are you bleeping having a laugh??
Even outside hiphop, one of the most recognisable set of lines Naija music gave us in 2008:

Don't know bout you but I'm handsome
All the chics wanna hold me to ransome
Hmmn . . . African Michael Jackson

This is more famous for what his delivery sways with the beat than for the lyrics itself.

Did you notice how everyone goes 'yeah, the rhythm captivates me . . . but'??
It's a nobrainer, the first reason for listening to music is the rhythm. Tell me one good song that doesn't have rhythm and I'll show u someone that has no business in music.

@Shaz
Hope you know I'm not talking bout just the beats here??
Cos I have this strange feeling that everyone thinks I'm this 'nod your head, shake your booty' bloke
The beats . . . that's the prodcers artwork, rhythm is from the artiste

Rhythm involves metre length, rhyming, delivery, and most importantly, the ability to make the beat work for you
Even good acapella freestyle verses have rhythm. The one at the end of Nas' - Made You Look is a good example
Biggie's rhythm was what played a major part in making him the greatest of all time, not his lyrics. Eminem thrives on rhythm, listen to 8-mile.

P.S Believe me, your playlist won't shock me, holla at me when you start having a mixture of Saul Williams, Nas, Simply Andy, Mozart, Oasis, Shiihan and Flame in just one playlist, then I'll invite you to filesharing.

Big B1:
I guarantee you that when you see IBB you will melt just like others that shared the same mentality as yourself.

Dude, that's what they told that Iraqi bloke that threw his shoes at the most powerful man in the world
Don't make mockery of angry, educated Nigerians

princesa:
plus our hero here jumps into conclusions, just with one peep at things
take it easy oh on the reins
it aint like this in other sec.

Please don't compare the Music to other sections (save Romance)
Lalaboi has over 60 active threads to moderate, other spam threads to take care of
You lot have to cut him some slack

What, do y'all think moderating on NL is his day job??
The rules are there to make it easy for everyone, if we all play our parts there won't be any need for him to step on toes
It's simple, no off-topic posts and no offensive words . . . Lalaboi has never deleted any of my posts in this section, is it because I bribed him??

@lalaboi
Job well done bruv
Infact, I'm your number one fan

I was reading an interview on Jay-Z's Kingdome Come
The interviewer askd hime if he got any better in his career, he said sumn

“I don’t know if I’ve gotten better," he said. "I think that I’ve definitely gotten more rounded, what interests me now is finding the “nooks and crannies” of a beat.''
And when he wants to make a point, he deliberately interrupts his flow, adding pauses and unexpected changes in meter, forcing people to pay attention to the words instead of letting them glide by.

This is coming from sumone many people believe is the greatest rapper alive.

THe ability to do sumn special with any beat you're presented with is what separates the Tupac and Jay-Zs of this world from Cannibus and them lot
It's not enough to just pour your lines on the beat
Nah . . . it's about the flow, blending with the beat

As people always points out, RAP is Rythmically Applied Poetry
If you're just going to give us punchlines and unstringed bars, I might as well holla at my NL netcees

The application of rhythm and beat compactability is the only thing that gives hiphop artistes the right to call themselves musicians
That was Jay-Z reply to Noel Gallagher when the punk implied that hiphop isn't music

Hiphop is music . . . not POETRY
Lyrics have to be there, but even IN your lyrics, rhythm must must be in control
That's what seperates MI from NL netcees

Yeah, your lines can look good on paper, but what happens when there's a beat??
That's a completely different story

Hiphop is not just a collection of bars . . . IT IS MUSIC
I'm not saying there's an excuse to drop crap lyrics on an upbeat rhythm and say u're rapping

Abagworo:
Em and 50 are outdated.em might just sell a million and nothing more.50 is over. We are in the era of lil wayne and kanye.jay-z cannot be compared with any living rapper.crack a bottle isnt new,it came out 3 weeks ago.stayed 1 week outside top 50 and is off.

Don't talk like that bruv
Em and 50 might be outdated . . . but you have to remember that they're the Causcasian Dream(Yeah Fiddy too)
This is the chance for those white boys that have been bullied for being skinny to sit in front of their PC to feel gangsta

They can't relate with 'Swagger Like Us'
An Eminem album would do just that for them . . . I'm predicting double plat . . . and high worldwide sales(UK)

People sa M.I name the best three
I say let's see, ME, ME, ME!!!
No other dudes come close, I'm homophobic

MI - I'm Hot

Don't eff(Bleep) with me, that ain't safe sex

MI - I'm Hot

This is a record low . . .
Even for someone on 50's level
Shagging an ex to get her to spew bollocks?? C'mon!!!

The 'vegetarian' line.
Just because he translated Nas' line into pidgin anglais doesn't make it original.

Nas used that exact line in MC Burial

That's a bitten line!!!

Shaz:
[color=olive]Pardon me but Sasha's bars seem bare elementary. . like kiddie stuff.[/color]

Her strong point is her delivery . . . it doesn't hit like punchlines from the others
It captivates you, one can't help but admit that she's talented in that aspect

lalaboi:
Am not saying am the best am just asking who's better.

M.I - Oh No Feat TQ

Hehehe . . . that's crazy!!!

ofokasibe:
@eldee
well u dont . but we need to understand the dikko u posted. so we can reply you properly

Exactly!!!
That's what I'm avoiding, I don't want a fresh spewing contest with you lot

ofokasibe:
@eldee
what exactly is ur point ??

As you should have observed, I was replying to a post
I don't think I owe you any explanation

Bamsyle:
Nah, El.

Just a quick one - this debate is open-ended but Nas has dissed 50 in more tracks than one.

In "Made You Look", Nas spat:

"But I ain't 50, ya know it's Nas yo"

He also recorded a full diss song for 50 - "Don't Body Ya Self" (MC Burial)

'Twas kinda subliminal but hear him:

"They say Jada defeated him
Joe too street for him
What's next? I guess it's for Nas to ether him
Ya'll awaiting an MC burial
This is ethereal, FM stereo to XM radio
What does it mean, ethereal? Hmm,  whether heavenly or spiritual
Extreme, delicately like in a way that seems too perfect for this world
Man that is righteous, faithful and keeps law
Will surely live to cleanse the sovereign Lord
And you are none of the above
So you a sucka for death if I'm a sucka for love
And ya wanna know why I don't got an answer n****z
Cos I truly understand these n****z
Scared of me so they talk about family members
Like I can't point out your grandma to n****z
Damn you was my man like crew dawg
Don't make me change your body frame to blue fog . . ."

B.T.W, Jay also took shots at Cam'ron (very subliminal/coded though) in Rick Ross' "Hustlin'" (remix feat. Jay-Z & Young Jeezy). Check out some of his lines on that track and you'll agree.

This prompted Cam'ron's reply:

"Player hater I don't play them games/You got beef with Killa, n***a
Say my name/You shy?"

Nah bruv
Bout the Nas thingy, c'mon you can't call that Nas' beef
The whole track was Nas playing down the whole beef thing
Remember

'They don't want beef, they're vegetarian' or sumn like the in that same song
That was Nas telling 50 to chill, not a beef track
And did you see the many interviews where Nas stated that he wasn't going to reply??

Bamsyle:
B.T.W, Jay also took shots at Cam'ron (very subliminal/coded though) in Rick Ross' "Hustlin'" (remix feat. Jay-Z & Young Jeezy). Check out some of his lines on that track and you'll agree.

C'mon, JayZ's naturally cocky, he's been dissing anonymous people since heaven knows when
Listen to his latest single, Jocking JayZ and tell me who he's talking about
For a beef to be taken as direct, you either use nameplay, quote the rapper or at least refer to him

Listen to Oh My God on the Kingdom Come album and see the amount of coded lines there
Beef is so easy, you either diss or don't diss at all, there's no standing in the middle

toluwalomo:
QUOTE

I will not waste an instrumental on replying his childish baseless words.I am too big and too busy to do that who is mode9?in his whole life in the industry

But you had time to vent your spleen in an interview. Hmmm,

Nothing wrong in Rugged putting Mode 9 in his place. You replied his diss on the pages of a magazine instead of a track. Not good enuff.

Hehehe . . . wrong
Many beefs are replied to only on mags . . . that's why you never hear bout 'em
Wait . . . Nas only used two lines to reply 50 in the 'Thief's Theme' album, the rest of it was on paper

toluwalomo:
Beefing is old school,especially when you are beefing a rapper who is more successful than you in all ways.

Beef old school, NEVER. As long as rappers have indifferences there will always be beef. Beef on wax, never out on the street OOOOOOOOO,

Scared to beef someone who is more successful than you is NEVER a criteria. If you have an issue with someone you put it on wax irrespective.

Canibus went after big-boi Cool J with second round Knock-out Cool J replied with Jack the reaper.

That's Ruggedman's point. In his own opinion, win or lose, there's nothing he can gain from this,
He ony sees this a Modenine's way of getting cheap publicity for himself
I don't know if that opinion is correct bt it could be justified by the Canibus thingy
The only person that gained from that beef was Canibus, not bacause he won, but because he battled LL Cool

toluwalomo:
Scared to beef someone who is more successful than you is NEVER a criteria.

Lol . . . Are you kidding me??
There's a reason JayZ hasn't replied Cam'rom . . . even with the hundred and one beef tracks that have been directed at him

C'mon this is just evil, Rugged didn't have to take this personal. Damn!!!
But I'll have to admit, Rugged took a more direct shot in this interview than he could ever drop in a diss track.
One question though, did Modenine really use ur neck is long like guineafoul in his metaphorical punchlines?

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=225044.msg3396711#msg3396711 date=1233167078]talking from a UK perspective. sure why not, but a different card game exists in other countries. as big as this country is we have 2 consulates and 1 embassy, all on the east coast. ok maibe LA might have one which i doubt.

so eldee, its not as easy as PB&J sandwich.[/quote]It's not as easy as BMT sandwiches, definitely
But this is what we get for not being developed enough

The UK and US faced this same problem before electronic voting came in
So, till we get electronic voting, you'll have to drive down to your nearest embassy to cast your vote.
Again, that's if you really care . . . I don't!!!

@Kobojunkie
As I said, if you really cared, you'll go through it over and over again

Kobojunkie:
Mine is about 10 hours drive. And worse, when you get there, the office might not be open. ROFLMAO!! Or you are told you will need to go to another state for that service. And there phone service stinks!

Don't fret, it'll open on election day
That's the only way they can give the 'everything's okay' face when Beebs come visiting

Kobojunkie:
Well, be sure to ready yourself for a big fight cause diasporans with millions to sink into this will definitely fight back.
You mean they will handle it as easily as they have handled other issues? How close is your nearest embassy? Let me guess, you have one right in your backyard? Lol

The nearest embassy?? C'mon, I live in London!!!
And for people that live in other parts of the UK, it's just a train journey away
If they could rush to the High Commission to report stolen passports, the it will most def be easy to go there to vote.
As I said, it's only for those that care bout Nigeria

God knows I won't shift an eyebrow if Nigeria gave George Bush honourary presidency

Kobojunkie:
Now I am convinced you maybe do not understand the main post at all.

FACT
========
a) A Nigerian in diaspora can already vote in Nigeria. All he has to do is fly back to Nigeria, cast his vote and walk away. That is the legal way it is currently being done. So it does not depend on how long you have been outside of Nigeria or if you have ever been in Nigeria prior, as long as you are a citizen and are a registered voter, you are free to fly in vote and leave.
b) An 18 year old Nigerian who has never been in Nigeria but has his papers right can zoom in, vote and zoom out. The key is NIGERIAN CITIZENSHIP which allows for that to happen currently.
c) INEC has yet to Prove that it is ready to take on more responsibilities
d) A Nigerian in diaspora can travel back to Nigeria to run for office, and we know many who have and are currently enjoying Nigerias money as we speak


Now, what does all that mean. It means I don’t believe INEC is ready to handle this sort of project as I believe it is no where close to where it needs to be to handle such effectively.

What I'm saying is that that emboldened part should be questioned. And since a court is ordering a new system where diasporans should be allowed to vote, INEC needs to look into how long a person's right to vote should remain.

And for the problem of how to conduct it??
C'mon, embassies and high commissions will handle that easily. . .
It's just a matter of telling every diasporan to cast their votes at their nearest embassy, we all know how hard it is to rig over here

Kobojunkie:
Tunji carries a Nigerians citizenship and hence has a right to vote in Nigeira while Richard branson does not.

Exactly my sentiments . . .
Other countries use a time system to decide if he/she should be allowed to vote.
For most countries in Europe , if you've not been resident in the country in the past ten years, you lose your right to vote, c'est finis
It's that easy.
But Mr Tunji stays in the UK for ten years, get a British passport, get free education for his kids and then bounces back into Lagos to vote in Babangida.

[quote author=i_laugh link=topic=225044.msg3396528#msg3396528 date=1233164450]@ELdee

They dont care what happens back there, yet they scream all day all night about what goes on down there, so i ask again, why do we bother with them? what have they got to offer the country? nothing.[/quote]Exactly!!!

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=225044.msg3396367#msg3396367 date=1233162846]to vote in said country you have to be a citizen. a ghanian who has permanent resident status cant vote in nigeria until he becomes a nigerian citizen.

are you referring to the voters register that they compile right before every election. so tunji that breezed into abeokuta on the last day of registration can get on there.[/quote]The UK(the world's model democracy ) allows anyone that lives in the UK to vote. The heroes only vote in UK elections because they're out there on state mission in Iraq.

Kobojunkie:
But not all persons who live in Nigeria today can vote in Nigeria. Not all diasporans can vote in the countries they live in. So are they also to be disallowed from voting in the country they hold citizenships of? What ethnic glass ceiling again? I thought that myth was shattered only last week? Or are we going to keep hearing of it?

I'm not going into any argument about if there is a racial glass ceiling or not, the fact that some people belive it's there, don't even need to care about if it exists or not is what I'm pointing at.

Every person 18 years and over that resides in Nigeria has the right to vote in Nigeria.

Kobojunkie:
Like I pointed out in my post if you had read carefully, I was referring to Nigerians with businesses in Nigeria. Last I checked, Richard Branson is not a Nigerian, and hence, can not vote in Nigeria. Does that help?

Exactly what I'm saying.
What separates Richard Branson from Tunji Philips that's been in the UK for 10 years but with a small shop in Lagos??
They both do not reside in Nigeria, they both do not pay their bills to the Nigerian government, they both make money from the country, they both have Nigerian citizens running the businesses over there??

debosky:
@ eldee

I would tend to agree with you, but knowing Nigeria and issues we've had in the past, anything apart from citizenship being the basis for voting will be very tough to manage. People already send their passports back to naija to get it 'post-dated' or stamped by customs officials. If they want to try that with voting as well, they can, so let's remove that extra level of corruption.

I doubt that large numbers of diasporans would vote anyways. If something doesn't affect you too greatly on a daily basis, you tend to care less about it.

I knew that factor would come up, but anyone that would go and backdate his passport to vote for Obanikoro is definitely a true Nigerian

But truth be told that number will not even be up to 1000, it's not like most diasporians really cares about what happens back there

Forgive me for being old-fashioned but I believe only people that go through the exact situation, as in, living in a country and suffering the exact problems associated with life in Nigeria should have the right to decide who they choose as the leaders.

For goodness sake, that's why diasporans(even those without dual citizenship) are allowed to vote in the countries they live in.

Kobojunkie:
Are the Nigerians in Nigeria the only ones who wear this shoe of yours? You mean those who live abroad but still have families and businesses back do not wear those shoes? They don’t have an understanding of what is going on down there?

Those that have families back home?? Nah, they don't feel it as some living there would!!!
This is the same way some an NIN knows nothing about the ethnic glass ceiling African-Americans talk about.

And those with businesses?? C'mon!!!
Aight then, Richard Branson should be allowed to vote for AD cause his Virgin business has been affected by PDP decisions.

IMO, only people that have been resident in Nigeria within the last two years should be allowed to decide who leads the country. And this is really easy considering the fact the there's a Voter's Register.

princesa:
@eldee
enuf of the bicker dude,
you are not a lady, _{as if lady argue more}

Erm, this is not bickering, this is me and the rest of NL telling you to step into the 21st Century
For goodness sake, those bollocks on demonism and what not went with last century

And if you're not going to listen to a genre of music because of these pre-instilled opinions, respect yourself and leave us to our demon worshipping
Afterall, there are over 1000 other interesting topics of discussion in this section

justkunmi:
iice. .
u do marilyn? nice. .

How do you guys manage that dude??
I've tried my best to stay through one song but it always feels like punishment

I'm still waiting for any Kings of Leon pple or maybe Oasis

princesa:
u mean the attitude and reason involved
oh! come off it, they are both different topics entirely
but, it does depends on perspective, that, i have come to realise
but mine girlfriend, is that Rock is demonic take it or leave it
Thank you

Ask an inspector of the Kwara State Police Dept.
He'll come out and say 'That goat is an armed robbery suspect, take it or leave it'

The fact that urs is about indie rock doesn't make it any more reasonable

KarmaMod:
Chic is hella embarrassing.

It's just a phase, it's just like the Santa Story, she'll outgrow it

I'll go first wiv this one from the last big big thing from NL


No need for demeaning-him-further/ This is a griev-i-ous murder/
If you think he won. . . I put 'maggi' in your eye. . . cus you’re not a 'seasoned' observer!!!/ - Ibime

Ibime Vs Sauron
Greatest Rapper On Nairaland- 3rd Place Battle

I’m so far ahead. . . there should be a sign attached. . . saying "Mind the Gap"!/ - Ibime

Ibime Vs Sauron
Greatest Rapper On Nairaland- 3rd Place Battle

This is just an appreciation thread for the top-class poets we have on NL Rap Battles Section
Erm first of all, I had to take this away from that endz so people don't come there and post all their lines

This one goes with the same concept as the other thread, just post your favourite lines by Nairaland netcees
Just think of the best lines you've seen from Nland battles and post them
It could be any sick collection on wordplays or this heavy puchline
Anything that you saw that made you lift you hands from the keyboard to cover you mouth or just sumn from a battle that makes you go 'Oi, you got murked bruv'

I'll appreciate it if we can keep the lines short and direct, or maybe seperate them

A general format like this should be used so it's easier to read
e.g
Lines: 'One, two, buckle my shoe . . . '
Netcee: 'Alvin'
Battle: 'Alvin Vs Alloy'

P.S: Please try as much as possible to post other pple's lines. Game recognise game, so pre-written only.

Ibime:
Oya lets go. . . .


In this final lap/ I spit line after line of rap/ to remind this cat. . .
that I’m so far ahead. . . there should be a sign attached. . . saying "Mind the Gap"!/

I don’t play or pretend/ I disable and dent/ what he’s unable to bend/
He could swap flows with 'tangent'. . . still his lines wouldn’t touch. . . where my 'radius extends'!!/

He’s a cowardly swine/ His rhymes 'generate' hype. . . but lack the power to shine/
In real life, he’d NEVER cross me. . . . like parallel lines!/

I’m not a joke and a laugh/ so stop provoking my wrath/ before I open a scab/
My mic’s like Moseses staff. . . one touch. . . .and he gets opened in half!!/

I spit with snipers precision/ He recycles his writtens/. . most likely they’re bitten/
A google search/ would soon unearth/ . . . a site to convict him!!/

Ya ex stole ya virtue/ You paid her to stay home. . . till my cheque broke the curfew/
Cus I provide the 'main meal'. . . and let ho’s 'desert' you!!/

Now I make her moan like triple X phone commercials/ Hope our sex won’t disturb you. . .
It might irk you. . . . but how we flex don’t concern you!!!/

My best-flows-usurp-you!/ This was your prior stage/. . . but my rhymes inspire change!/
We’re different levels. . . check ya airline. . .I’m on a higher plane!!/

Ya rhymes still in baby care/ mine develop like facial hair/
Lets make it clear. . . if beef 'escalates'. . . .you’d rather take the stairs!!!/

cus I separate the men from boys. . .like puberty!/ You say what you would do to me/
. . . but you wouldn’t take the chance. . . .if I gave the opportunity!!!/

You live on the net, you sicko!/ Lets ban his account and X his info/
Make Seun close the door. . . and force him to exit Windows!!!/

No need for demeaning him further/ This is a griev-i-ous murder/
If you think he won. . . I put 'maggi' in your eye. . . cus you’re not a 'seasoned' observer!!!/

This is IT!!! This is how to do it
This is what NL has been waiting for!!!
I think this should be used to school other netcees

In real life, he'll never cross me - like paralell lines

'If beef escalates, you'll rather take the stairs' - Are you Big L in disguise??

princesa:
I hope the dust choke you while dancing with the evil spirits from your rock music
tsst

Yeah, we'll choke alright . . .

And I also wish the Kwara State Police Department good luck with their goat interrogation
http://www.vanguardngr.com/content/view/27049/42/

How you guys manage to hold on to these archaic beliefs is bewildering.
This is more primitive than the xenophobia in SA, hell it even beats the witchunts of 1600s