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davidylan:
Eldee says . . .

Conflicting only to those of you who have a shallow knowledge of the bible. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Based on this verse (and many others i will not bother to quote here) . . . we know God has a PERFECT will, a GOOD will and an ACCEPTABLE will. Its more like the grade system we used in school . . . even though you all "passed" . . . there are some who scored an A, some scored a B and some just barely made an E by the skin of their teeth. But all graduate no?

Don't Pastor Chris me homie . . . that part you quoted all qualified the will, not wills of God in different aspects.
You say it like 'good, acceptable and perfect' are a comparative adjectives . . . hell the eff no. It's not 'good, better, best'.
All of them in that verse are inseparable . . . and they are all there for emphasis.

That verse does not count.

As I said, divorce is not the will of God . . . Moses allowed it and by so doing, people went against God's will, which we are not to do as Christians. He answered them, "What did MOSES command you?" They said, "MOSES allowed a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to put her away." But Jesus said to them, "For your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment." Mark 10:5 RSV

It is disobedience, God told us his will in Mal 2:16.

That said, we go to the case of forgiveness . . . if you agree that forgiveness is one major modification that Jesus made to the Mosaic laws (Matt 18:21), then you'll have to agree that it is impossible to be a Christian without forgiving your wife, even for the sin of adultery.

So if the forgiveness contract is what we sign everyday in our contract as Christians in the Lord's Prayer, how can you come out and say you're a Christian if you've not forgiven your cheating spouse??

davidylan:
Because Mark didnt record it. Please read Matthews own account where Christ did make reference to adultery. Matthew 19.

Many of you would do well to just stick with basic human reasoning.

Oh . . . Luke doesn't record anything about adultery either, even when Jesus was talking about divorce.

You will do much better if you didn't read your own interpretations into the scriptures.

follypimpi:

Of course not ,U kolo i swear.Werin dey Boss ?

Abi . . . help me tell that to Jackal.

I'm gud man . . .How are the B-town chics treating you??

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=478066.msg6392034#msg6392034 date=1279216668]The fuckin irony. . . . .
You are leading a chic on just to get her in bed so you can MAKE LOVE to her and you are not loving her as yourself.
How do you make love to someone without loving?

Eldee, that was the wrongest example you coulda pulled up.
Try again.
U don enter ma wahala today. [/quote]Hehehe . . . but when I leave her after enjoying the making love even though I know she'll be heartbroken, that's not loving my neighbour as myself.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=478066.msg6391882#msg6391882 date=1279215003]Not as much as HE detests DIVORCE. . . . .
This is why LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF surpasses the whole 10 commandments as a whole.
If you love your partner like yourself, you won't go for divorce. . . . .If you love her, you are expected to forgive her 77 X 77 times.[/quote]Thing is, when I commit other sins, I'm not showing love to my neighbour.
E.g when I lead a chic on just to get in her bed, I'm not loving my neighbour as myself.
I don't see why I should be selective with what section I obey in the Bible.

chiogo:
My response was to Rheinmental not you.

I know people use the bible to justify a lot of things especially when it comes to sexism. Happens all the time on nairaland, which is really annoying. But when that poster(Theblessed) made her comment and used the bible to back up her point about infidelity, I don't think you can fault her since religion or not, it's an immoral act. My grouch would be with people who use the bible to support or renounce an act that has no basis of justification outside religious beliefs. Infidelity is really simple not rocket science to know it's wrong. If she chooses to use religion here, doesn't matter since the act is still wrong from whatever angle you choose to look at it.

I was the one that first went against the application of Religion to this argument so I assumed that you were referring to me.
Besides we're not contesting the wrongness or otherwise of infidelity, the discussion has shifted to divorce.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=478066.msg6391809#msg6391809 date=1279214287]God detests divorce. . . . .
All divorcees would be pitching their tents with Satan himself.[/quote]I know that man . . . but God also detest my fornication, greed, drinking and many other things.
I'm not exactly the poster-boy for Christianity, forget my good looks.

chiogo:
So, what if the infidelity becomes incessant? You keep forgiving because you went into an iron-clad agreement(more like bondage) called marriage?

The bible recommends forgiveness but one also has the option of divorce. What's so hard to get? And how come you're bringing the bible into it now? Oh yea, people use the bible to justify anything. Okie-dokie!

Forgiveness is not a choice.

Why am I using the Bible?? I'm not.
I actually do support divorce in these cases (refer to my first post) . . . but when you use the Bible to support your already biased view, it makes a mockery of Christianity.

@The Amaka & Mamagee

You guys are next level hilarious.

Rheinmetal:
@ Stillwater,

Are you onto me now? Do you presume I'm not a Christian because I do not model my life after some baseless Mosaic Laws but on the empirical teachings of Christ as espoused in his Golden Rule "Love your Neighbour as yourself"?

My dear Ms. Stillwater, if being Christian to you means I should throw the Bible at everything, then I'm not your type of Christian.

You don't know Stillwater . . .

She can trivialise anything, today is one of her better days

stillwater:
If Moses was given the will and Jesus said it is not God's will o but you can divorce based on sexual immorility, why shouldn't I go with that.

1. Mark 10: 2-12.
2. Moses was not given the will . . . the will of God is clear 'I hate divorce' . . . read you Bible.

stillwater:
Even Jesus said he will NOT FORGIVE you if you blaspheme against the holyspirit. Why is that unforgivable? Read your bible and expose yourself to all that is in it, please.

Moi?? The Bible says that is the one sin that cannot be forgiven. You don't get to disobey the law because you want to.
In order words, the only person that has the right not to forgive is the Holy Spirit, not Stillwater.
You still have to obey the 77 X 7 rule, God is no respecter of persons or emotions.

stillwater:
The same way you ELDEE reject Mtt 5:32 and all others.

I'm not ignoring a part of the Bible, I said that there were conflicts.
I said earlier that we shouldn't use the Bible because there are minor conflicts.
You were the Reverend that was acting like you had a degree in Theology.

stillwater:
Excuse me, my FIRST reply to you was to correct you on the lie and mistake you made saying there was no grounds for divorce in the bible. I showed you verses that that single statement you made was FALSE!!!

Hehehe . . . I gave you a place to read Mark 10 where Jesus forbade divorce on every count and you've been ignoring that with you wikianswers quotes.
Mark 10 . . . 'And He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her' . . . no mention of unfaithfulness or anything.
That's the clearest Jesus ever was on divorce.

So before you go on you feminist crusades, leave the Bible out of it.

Rheinmetal:
@Chiogo,

Marriage in its purest form is an iron-clad agreement with no escape clause.

It doesn't matter who breached it first or last. You want to remedy infidelity in marriage, try forgiveness, the Bible recommends infinite forgiveness.

Recommend?? More like 'enforces'.
Some people here have finished counting the 539 allowances they are commanded to give their spouses and yet want to use the Bible as their constitution.

stillwater:
What the heck is this?   This bible argument was based on some false statement someone made. What is the problem? If you are not a Christian please just mind your own business. I am talking to someone who I prefume is a christian. Besides that I have every right to justify divorce by reasoning as well as the bible.

False statement?? Your wikipedia argument is a joke.
And yeah, use human reasoning and I will agree with you, but Bible?? Nah.

Rheinmetal:
No one is "scouting" against the Bible, but against using the Bible to justify divorce.

Infidelity is a moral vice, no doubt and an infringement of marital vows, but so is divorce.

This is exactly what I've been trying to say all along . . . people just pick a stand on sumn and then use the Bible to support it.
This is no different from when people used the Bible to support ethnic cleansing.

stillwater:
I don't see what is so cloudy here. It did not say it's a must you divorce your husband, there's still allowance for forgivness but you are given the room to divorce. That was why he allowed the Mosaic laws. It's not his will, but. . . What is so hard to understand? This is about marriage, not some petty institution.
I got this from a website. . .

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and that reconciliation and forgiveness should be the marks of a believer’s life (Luke 11:4; Ephesians 4:32). However, God recognizes that divorce will occur, even among His children.

www.gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriage.html

Echoing what I said does not change anything. The Bible is not conclusive on divorce as it is with say murder or sumn.
If you're going to use The Bible to support divorce, then it should be noted that you're ignoring God's will . . . which is a compass for Christians.
And you cannot call yourself a Christian if you blatantly go against the will of Him in whose name you cast demons.

And then comes the question of forgiveness, here, you make it sound like forgiveness is a choice 'there's still allowance for forgivness but you are given the room to divorce.'
Forgiveness is a rule, it's not a guideline, 77 X 7 as Jesus symbolically put it. . . you don't choose if you want to forgive or not . . . you always forgive, period.

Besides you have totally ignored the part where Jesus rejected divorce on all grounds. . . . Mark 10.

Go meet your gotquestions.org people and ask them if their Bible is different from the one on my shelf.

stillwater:
God hates divorce, he does not desire we divorce. But for the sinful nature of man, allowances were made based on sexual immorality in marriage, Duet. 24:1-4, Matt 5:32, Matt 19:9. Even in latter books like 1 Corinthians 7:15, if an unbeliever quits the marriage, no worries, you are not even under any bondage.

That's why I pointed to Mark 10 where there was no valid reason for divorce.
If God hates divorce and likes forgiveness, shouldn't the benefit of doubt go to Mal 2:16 and Mark 10??

Is divorcing your husband for adultery the Christian thing to do?? I think not, based on those two I've listed.
You see how bringing the Bible into this just clouds things??

@poster

So far you've done what's best for the relationship . . . the next step you should take is to give her a cooling-off period.
And then sit down with her and explain to her what football means to you and how much of a compromise you're willing to offer (e.g not watching EPL matches week-in week-out leaving it for the Top six)

If she's not willing to compromise, then you guys should end it, because it will definitely cause problems later.
And you know they don't forget things, it will definitely come up later.

davidylan:
Not true! Mal 2:16 - God explicitly hates divorce.

However divorce was "allowed" under the Mosaic law (for the hardness of the human heart - Mark 10:5) to cover only the sin of adultery (Matt 5:32)

I hope we will see less nonsensical claims being made against the bible by those who are too lazy to study it.

How can you say 'explicitly' and 'allowed' in one breath??
Isn't that conflicting??

The same Bible goes recorded Jesus rejecting divorce in Mark 10 without any reference to adultery.

That's why I don't want to bring in the Bible in cases that should be settled using basic human reasoning.

[quote author=m.momentum link=topic=479598.msg6390363#msg6390363 date=1279199864]There is a part 2 and 3 of this video,
the crowd has been expecting Mi in new york since.
good shot thrown at kelly handsome and iceberg slim,
he made iceberg look like a baby rapper
kelly handsome is his biggest problem for now although ,
iceberg thin cant come at MI as direct as k-handsome would[/quote]Kelly Handsome is kinda daft and loudmouthed . . . Iceberg Slim is actually smart and watches his words.
He's dropped nice one-liners that will knock out anyone, and he knows where he stands.
Iceberg Slim is M.I's real problem.

BET Awards nominee, M.I Abaga, was the star of the show over the July 4th Independence weekend at the Nigerian Reunion held in New York City. As stated earlier, this was one of several high-profile performances by Nigerian music heavyweights across the US.

For those of you who couldn’t make it, enjoy the clips below. Shout-out to House of Naija for hooking this up!

M.I responds to Iceberg Slim’s “Am I Better” line:

“Is he better than me, is he? I don’t know, is he? I’ve been too busy being busy!”

Also, in his I'm Hot remix, he edited the lines of the first verse.

Don't know about you but I'm handsome
Handsome, M.I's advancing
My maga didn't pay, who the fccuk is Kelly Handsome.

[flash=450,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCWf7OVhdrA&hl=en_GB&fs=1[/flash]

Lifted off notjustok.com

stillwater:
Divorce is allowed on grounds of adultery.

Nah . . . the Bible is still in a conflict on that.
Read Mark 10:2-12 Jesus went point-blank and made no mention of adultery.

Besides, that's where the 'turn the other cheek' rule comes it . . . forgive 77 x 7 times rule.

You see why I suggested that religion be excluded from the discussion, because there's no use bringing in The Bible if you're going to be selective with it.

Theblessed:

You see, you can not change people. You can only change children's behaviours but you can't physically change an ADULT!  However, you can change yourself, by changing your own attitudes and behaviours and become more assertive instead of drowning in self pity that way - the guy will change his ways.  Abi, you have your own money? Then treat yourself and HIT town he will eventually, realise his loss and that's the way to squeeze in a little change in a  naught boy. And when you go out there ensure you get a guy that is bigger than him in size and height and more handsome - then he'd get the message you don't do cheap.

In giving him a teaspoonful of his own bitter medicine, it would curtail some of those selfish behaviours but mind you, it won't cure the disease of a habitual adulterer because his, is entrenched therefore, drop the dead donkey and hit town before he causes you severe damage.

First of all I think bringing religion into this is unreasonable. . . but if you're going to bring in christianity, isn't divorce one thing Jesus forbade??
Isn't 'turn the other cheek' the main amendment to the Jesus made to the laws of Moses??

I'm not surprised though, Jesus said to beware of false prophets . . .


[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=478066.msg6387766#msg6387766 date=1279152740]nah. a thief is not remorseful. he keeps stealing until he gets caught.
same with cheating.
it's all a sign of weakness of d flesh. means your not self disciplined enough.


and i love that theblessed brings a religious perspective to it.[/quote]That analogy is B.S . . . excuse my French.

It's funny how you call it weakness when the people that actually show any remorse is the person that's cheated on.
Cheating is only weakness if the cheat doesn't make a choice to do it.
You can't just label things just because it affects you in a particular way.

I might as well say paying taxes is illegal.

You're a good judge of character, I reckon . . . so do you think I'm a 'hit on 10 chics in one hour' guy??

I'm different . . . how many chics have you seen me hit on??

come on . . .I thought you could vouch for me

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=112843.msg6387368#msg6387368 date=1279146496]oh wow. so it's real? i thought they just joke around like that and can't help it. hahaha
u guys r whores no kidding[/quote]Nah . . . it's just adapting to the situation.
It girls fronted less, guys would hit on fewer chics.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=112843.msg6387301#msg6387301 date=1279145812]i see.

so have u had any success with hitting on a girl?
i've always wondered by blk guys are always hitting on girls sef. plz explain to us[/quote]Hehehe . . . I cannot fit to shout. My success rate is between me, myself and my designated wingmen.

Most black guys use the trial and error style, hit on 10, one will work.
But I think efficiency is a much more desirable trait. Especially if yo live in a small town like moi.
You don't to go round the sample in one night.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=112843.msg6387253#msg6387253 date=1279145396]haha such a playa
what do u mean by "last ditch attempt by weak guys"[/quote]I'm not a player, that's standard procedure.

Bout the last ditch thingy . . . guys without game always hit on the ugly girls with the false belief that they are easier.
But nah, not-so-goodlooking chics have to protect their reputation in front of their friends, so they front.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=478066.msg6387222#msg6387222 date=1279145040]@nombali ,
what country r u from? u def. don't sound real hahah[/quote]So you noticed too??

@Obinna

I'd already seen the British Death At the Funeral, they repeated all the jokes so I didn't actually like it.

Besides, comedy at cinemas?? No go area.
People laugh like they downed N₂O

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=112843.msg6387199#msg6387199 date=1279144747]oh Jesus @ -15   

d truth though is that men hit on african girls A LOT. i don't think dey have any problem in dat dept.
u dis yeye african men will hit on a goat if it has a bum.[/quote]Hehehe . . . we all know the kind of one I'm talking about.
See it like this, who gets the attention when I hit on a group of girls??

I make eye contact with one of em, so when I talk to the group, she already knows what I'm there for.
Ugly girls are usually last-ditch attempts by weak guys.

dayokanu:
there is one Nairalander in Mankato Minnesota, the guy just land like 6 months ago, He has gone on rampage with those white women. Just because he is just black and just off the plane

Hehe . . . I'm way too picky for that . . .lol
I just want to experience the All-American chic that actually lives in America.

Isn't that what I said before??
They are serial cockblocks . . . they hate men for not hitting on em and they block you from their friends.

That's why I always have a wingman ready to act like he's interestd in the ugly chic . . .

On a scale of 1 to 100 this chis is -15.
She is everything I don't want in a woman and much more.

@Oyinda

Here's the typical ugly Nigerian chic . . .
It's not a coincidence, they are daft and usually have a bad personality from years of taking insults.

[flash=450,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODrfGa6q7WU&hl=en_US&fs=1[/flash]

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=112843.msg6387080#msg6387080 date=1279143318]how is it unfair to guys?
u guys don't deserve pretty girls as a matter of fact[/quote]Hehehe . . . come on, what sin is that bad??
Even Hitler had a hott wife.

If there's any justice in the world, ugly girls would work on rubber plantations.