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KnowAll:
I[b] know London means everything to u, but let me burst your bubble a little bit, Sinagpore was poorer than Lagos in 1965 not to talk of London which was a million miles ahead then, but today Singapore’s under-ground system, road networks are something to behold, the neatness and cleanliness of that city surpasses London 10 folds.

That is why I like Fashola, our politicians should stop using London as a yardstick, we should be thinking big, Eko Atalantic City is 7 miles long and 1.5 miles wide, that is about 7 times the size of the most modern part of London which is Docklands.

If we can make this project a reality, it would have a whoa factor not only in Africa but in the rest of the world especially Britain who see Africa as a dumping ground, a  backward and a  retrogressive society.

Can you imagine in this day and age Nigeria is buying 1960’s and 1970’s locomotives in other to revamp her dead railway system, when we should be thinking bullet train of Japan OR TGV of France.

We need development minded people at the centre, the FG Government has had some really bad administrators in the last 20 years, I hope 2011 would usher in a new direction for the country and the thinking of the leaders we have from then onwards[/b].

So you've done nothing but made assumptions about me and then posted some more stuff that is not even realised yet.

Seriously, enlighten jare.  You know, talk about now and what is realistic.   .    .

And this means what to me?

~Bluetooth:
And how has anybody address the BBC welcome to lagos since it was broadcasted ? Any difference in Lagos since then ?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

It takes time for years of none or little accountability to go away, it do not just disappear over night unless there is a revolution.

asha 80:
Is this supposed to be a joke ?When last have you been to abuja?

Asha, believe it or not, this is what pisses most people off.

A few people mentioned this in "vocal slender" thread too.

I think it is best to ignore people like that. They really are the reason why we have some of the problems we face.

~Bluetooth:
Na today ? The british from the days of colonialism have always seen Africa race as primitive,uncivilized & has nothing to contribute to the world,so nothing special if they are trying hard to extend their hand of imperialism through media propaganda in this contemporary age.
I'm of the opinion that African and indeed Nigeria has a freedom to express herself  and decide for herself her own way of life without intimidation and oppression from the west !

Man mi, ki lo ma hun se gan?

Instead of you dealing with the issue I raised, you ended up regurgitating the same old lines you have posted before.

The British of the colonialism days is not the same as BBC. One.

I don't know if you think you are primitive, I am sure I am not and I disagree with what you are saying.

As for the rest of your post, it makes very little sense to the issue I raised. Look, here is what you are doing:


Me - BBC is doing well by exposing some of the issues that do not seem to get addressed

You - Oh they colonised us, called us monkey hence they should leave us alone

Me - That is not the point. Are you suggesting we shouldn't expose this society ills

You -  The colonial masters paid for the BBC to dis-stabilise us. .  .






How can you be so stuck in the past? A few people have told you before in this thread that those who are stuck in the past never progress. Smh.

nex:
@El Razur

Please then can you enlighten us as to the motive towards these documentaries? Knowing full well that a lot of time, energy, resources, and capital is expended in putting together these documentaries about Lagos, please tell us the benefit to the Producers and Executive Producers.

By the way, no need for unnecessary insults YET. Pretend to be civilized in explaining the gains behind the production of this piece of film. Thank you.

Louis (please read up on him) is an investigative journalist. One.

Naija is a rich pickings for people like him. Two.

If you add those two together, it is clear to see why it will be of interest to the whole public.

I said it before and I am saying it again, if we do not want to attract criticism like this perhaps we should fix our issues first? I don't know if you watched the documentary but the "Spokeman" for oluomo said that "this way of life is almost become normal".  In other words, lawlessness, bribery, contesting for office with fear and intimidation is almost seen as norm. The problem of course is that these issue will carry on if people like you, me and Louis fold their arms an do nothing.

I can tell you that you and I are guilty, but at least the Journalist is pushing something out they we do not want the world to see. You see, actions like this will only get us to change or at least make attempts to address those issues raised.


Do you think it is acceptable to take money off Motorist, etc and without nothing to show for it? Do you agree with the issues that were raised in the documentary?

~Bluetooth:
A lot of folks with unsound reasoning do not realy see it that way.what i still don't understand is bbc's motive of such reporting if not for propaganda .

Another view is that, people like yourself will forever have the "victim mentality". You know, oooohhhhh the bbc is out to get us.

Louis theorx has been making documentary before from a long time. He's taken on several issues from exposing the gang culture in the UK (He was mugged live on camera for his laptop and threathened with a Knife in Brixton Uk) and he's just a long line of journalist who do a lot of things that it is a strange concept in naija I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Theroux

He's taken on Scientology, the underground world of wrestling, plastic surgery etc.


BBC if I remember correctly have only made two recently on Naija. So what is there to sugest they are "targeting" us? Omo don't get big headed jare. Other nations, including UK do get similar taste in probably more share.


Check his videos on youtube.

KnowAll:
Eko Atlantic City would shock those BBC batar*ds. I hope it happens, and I hope the quality of build is as good and realistic as the video potrays. Unfortunately with the Ibru's and Akingbola's out of the action, who would build those sky scraper's in Eko Atlantic City. If anything Ibru invested wisely in good propertise in Ikoyi , help moving prices upwards and also help moving rental incomes upwards in that district.

How will this shock bbc? Please enlighten me.


Nah wah o.

Instead of boasting about what is yet to happen, abeg focus on now. Gosh, typical naijan mentality.

nex:
It's so sad that a lot of you do not understand why the BBC has been attacking Lagos for a couple of years now.

London sees itself as the financial and cultural capital of the world, and since Nigeria returned to democracy, Lagos has been gradually taking a bite off the world finance market.

Now, the BBC is financed with £8 billion annually to broadcast British propaganda, which includes praise-singing for themselves and their friends, and attack on their rivals or perceived threats.

Has it not bothered you that even in Nigeria, there are far worse places in Kebbi, Bauchi, Jigawa and Edo, but the BBC is always targeting Lagos. They are only trying to threaten financial investors away from a competitor. I believe it's about time Lagos state too makes its own documentary because this is not about Britain and Nigeria, it's about London and Lagos competing for world finance, and London is cheating by employing the £8 billion/annum British Propaganda machine to throw dirt on Lagos.

How daft are you?  

Japan, China, New york are all financial power house so to if your logic add up, then bbc should be "attacking" these places. But I guess you are one of those mumu around here who cannot see things for what it is without trying to rope in some mind-bending mumu assumptions.

Keep it up.

Lagos is well known, an almost an embodiment of what Nigeria is all about - The diverse culture, the business, the different atmosphere, the rich, the poor, the 525 or so languages, the corruption etc.

I can't be bothered explaining shiiiit again unless you show some logic.

Naijan failed drug test?? Let's hope not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/commonwealth_games/delhi_2010/9078690.stm

It is on the website. Tickets going fast!

From what I can gather, it will be the bomb. A few friend watched it in yankee and they cannot praise it enough. It was that good.

From the videos on the site, it looks even better than the videos you posted.


I think with the whole idea backed by Jay Z, Will smith's wife, Femi-Kuti and Tony allen, it makes sense to have the thing shown in the yankees. It may eventually come to naija, but it will be different acts etc. (Musicals tend to change act as time goes by)

JUO:
THERE IS A PIONT I WANT TO MAKE HERE AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT U THINK. THOSE NIGERIANS WHO FEEL US, UK ETC CITIZENSHIP IS BETER THAN THE ONE OF NIGERIA SHOULD NOT RULE US, BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONG NIGERIA CITIZEN, E.G iyabo obasanjo, bankOLE ETC. THEY SHOULD GO AND CONTEST OR RULE IN THIER COUNTRY OF CITIZENSHIP, THEY ARE NOT ONE US. GUYS WHAT D U THINK, SHOULD FOREIGNERS BE RULING NIGERIA?

First off all, why are you shouting? Typing with Cap ON is nothing but shouting on the intraweb.

Does it matter what citizenship a person holds? From my recollection, Nigeria's constitution allow for dual-citizenship, so your point is almost useless if anything. If you are in Cameroon now, then you may have a point as they do not allow for dual-citizenship.

Let me ask you this, if the best candidate holds a dual citizenship and can do the changes necessary to Nigeria, will you oppose? 


Also I think your question is poorly framed, someone who holds dual citizenship (Naija and another country) is not a foreigner. Foreigner means something entirely different.

So from watching the documentary I picked up the following which are the most important:

Area boys love Arsenal football club!

Any other thing is irrelevant!

Common wealth games have little or no prestige like before again. It is no suprise that things like this are over-looked, or not pursed.

I ain't no facial recognition expert, but my god no way she is 17.

bidemi12:
Nope, not at all. they still have a long way to go. and guess what? they are always finetuning ways to be perfect. and yes they are the number one country in the world as far as i am concerned. wait until you experience true freedom then you will understand. i am not talking about the freedom to throw trash on the streets or loot public funds but to live as a human being.

You don kolo.

superstar1:
get what i am saying, there will always be issues in every country, Why has US not reached a state of Utopia, simply because no society can be perfect. Learn something from the Chinese, they shaped their present and future from their past without allowing anyone to dictate to them.We africans should learn something from that, and shape our future and it is not when someone calls us devil,barbaric and we should be nodding our heads in agreement like Agama Lizard,

We have issues to resolve.yes. It is no more news. It is the British press support for a change that we need not their negativism and junk journalism.

That is the point.

No one can reach a state of utopia. smh. There are however, expected levels of development from each and every nation. It is fair to say Nigeria should be further up the line in terms of development, after all using nations like Malaysia and Ghana (who had independence in the same decade as naija) are progressing relatively well BETTER than naija.

Sometimes, it is necessary for others to point out flaws in order to fix them. How long have we been talking about Nigeria's poor state of affairs? (Corruption, power struggle etc) Long enough if you ask me and no major improvement seem to be coming forward.


Listen, it is very simple. A Yoruba proverb says "If you do not want your belongings to be use as a rag, then you do not use it in a manner that suggest it is one". My point? We gave them the chance to say all of these, after all Nigeria's government could tackle some of the issues that plagues the nation but for some reasons, they are yet to do some of this.

Remember when India was slacking on the poor state of affairs over the commonwealth venues and what not, a quick damning report all around the world media and press sees India authorities putting things right or at least acceptable. However in the case of naija, this is not the first time we have had bad press, we just appear to be resistant to development and just seem to divert attention and blame others for problems we caused. (Something you are doing right now)

superstar1:
@ ElRazur

See down there and let them keep bombarding your mind with the image of you are not as good as them, na u sabi. If i like i can even use the Queen's crown to browse, they stole and plundered our land, they took our forefathers as slaves to their land, let them use their brain to develop things, baba God will give us money in 9ja to buy it, I still stand on my point they are simply assoles,

So you failed to address the issue we cause, but blame those who pointed at the issue? Nice. Is your hobby "Nigerian politics" by any chance?


It is weird how you have turned this into "we v them". Seriously, how do you do it? Look, if "we" fixed our back yard, then there wont be something for "them" to report. Seriously, how hard is this to understand?

Like I said, keep talking.

superstar1:
We should all get something right, it is high time we stop this silly whites to define what is good and what is bad, They are worse off in every area you want to look at. We are not disputing it, 9ja might not be the best place to live (no more a news) but definately it is not a Mogadishu,Kabul,Baghadad and even the notorious parts of London or New York. This is what China refused the western media to do to them and whether they like it or not China is a worldpower. we were colonised in the 18th century we should not allow it to continue far deep into the 21st century, Yes we have a problem, we are not disputing but trying to celebrate and make it look as if they are better off is an abberration, are they not corrupt,dont they have ghettos, I beg BBC and CNN should keep themselves busy by focusing on the impact of the recession on their citizenry and the silly wars they arewasting their resources to fight all over the world, Proudly 9ja

I stopped taking your post serious after the bolded part.

Keep avoiding the problem at hand and blame it all on the white man. Funny enough, you are here using a "white man/western" invention - Internet! smh. Keep taking.

As usual my people up in arms with problem that we so happen to create, and BBC merely pointed camera and filmed.

They are a media outlet and doing what they are supposed to do - Investigate and report!

I have a very provoking thought though, if you are mad at the BBC, please starve them of things to report and fix the country. No?



PS

In other more important news, Fela the Musical hits the streets of London. Abeg go watch am. 

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-527500.0.html

Okay, I barely waste my money to go watch this new generation of so called "Artists" that come over here. They bore me and in most cases lack talent in my opinion. (Yeah sue me).

Anyway, Fela's work is now turned into a musical and me I don book my ticket sha. The show had excellent reviews in yankee and it is supported by Jada Smith and Jay Z (At least these people appreciate real taste and real music)

Tickets range from £10 - £50. Personally, I will advice people to shy away from the £10 tickets lol. The lay out of the theatre hall means you will be sitting at the back in an awkward position.

Here is the link to the show (See below). Please have a look at the video clips too, it surely looks awesome and will be a night to remember.


The Musical captures the life, story, music and talents of fela, plus more. If the critics in big news papers are giving it a thumps-up, then it is worth watching in my opinion. I read that Femi-Kuti cried after watching the show, and he admitted it captures exactly how his father performed back in the day. 


http://www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/felalondon/



Read more here

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/music/article-23884789-music-is-the-weapon-for-fela.do

Okay, I barely waste my money to go watch this new generation of so called "Artists" that come over here. They bore me and in most cases lack talent in my opinion. (Yeah sue me).

Anyway, Fela's work is now turned into a musical and me I don book my ticket sha. The show had excellent reviews in yankee and it is supported by Jada Smith and Jay Z (At least these people appreciate real taste and real music)

Tickets range from £10 - £50. Personally, I will advice people to shy away from the £10 tickets lol. The lay out of the theatre hall means you will be sitting at the back in an awkward position.

Here is the link to the show (See below). Please have a look at the video clips too, it surely looks awesome and will be a night to remember.


The Musical captures the life, story, music and talents of fela, plus more. If the critics in big news papers are giving it a thumps-up, then it is worth watching in my opinion. I read that Femi-Kuti cried after watching the show, and he admitted it captures exactly how his father performed back in the day. 


http://www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/felalondon/



Read more here

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/music/article-23884789-music-is-the-weapon-for-fela.do

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=524345.msg6865825#msg6865825




Why include the image? Anyone with half a brain can google syphilis to see what it looks like. Next time, bear in mind that some of us, use this forum away from home you know. Ode oshi. Look up what NSFW means.

My eyes hurt from trying to read that.


Anyone kind enough to give us a summary?


Dunno why people just post like this

oyb:
maybe so, but this was less than 15 years after the horrors and outcry of the nazi experiments on prisoners

You may be right. Didn't think of it that way.

Also, if you look at the history of medicine the 60s was one of the era where there were very little medical regulation. Well, there was regulation but the bodies regulating ethics back then also had interest in Pharmaceutical companies and most of them are practising doctors. Finally it may be worth adding that these folks were seen as "pushing the boundaries of science" then so they had almost no one to challenge to their "adventures".

Lmao.

At first, I was mad at her, but then it dawned on me that she made valid points. Yes let no one hate her as she is merely playing the system. I liked how she used religion to answer questions about finances. It is what Americans (most of them) believe in, so yeah nice one on her for playing the "Jesus card".

Litmus:
Lol, what logical points did you make ?

and actually, What if 's are the best position to take since none of us were  present at the taking of the photograph. You are merely expressing opinion based on your own perspective.


In  fact you're an -----  because you want to use one photograph, a photograph at worst  naive, as an expression of your view of the deviancy of approximately 160millon people.

I think once you engage you brain (If you have any) then it becomes obvious.

You have posted nothing but daft assumption, and mind you others have pointed this out too.

As per your last statement, that is just grasping for something to say. Please point where my post was directed at these "160 million people"?


You have done nothing but give illogical and mind-bending idioticc assumptions, and your position and view appears to change with each post you make.  Smh. It is sometimes necessary to just read than make a mockery of oneself via lame contribution - Something you have done over and over again.

BabaOnileK:
As I mentioned earlier, the policemen back then had lesser weapons in terms of quantity and quality. Lots of what we call shakabula and not now that there are quite lots of SAWs available. Maybe the military were afraid of police connivance with coup plotters. I think it took democracy for us to see the quality and quantity of arms with policemen that we witness now. Why else were MOPOL called "kill and go"? Cos they had weapons and not semi-dane guns.

Ask around for those who schooled in Okota or lived there between 1988 and 1995 and they would tell you of AMHS, Mr Apata and his penchant for chasing armed robbers.

I think it is imperative to make clear that it is most likely an Urban Myth that our police had shakabula in the 80s. Shakabula are usually home made guns and uses gun-powder and pellets (Very popular with Hunters in the village)

Back in the 80s, I was in Ilorin and I remember vividly that certain policemen do carry Ak-like and Klashnikov-type of guns. A few even had grenade on their utility belt.


Again, you last statement highlights some of the observation I raised - Lack of record.


I do however agree that the police were poorly trained and there wasn't enough Gun:Police ration then.

I do not condone this in anyway. It makes one wonder what else goes one that we do not know about.


Lets not forget that this was the 60s era and Medical Ethics is not as strong as it is now back then.