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BishopMagic: wat?

Are you challenging that statement ?

Fashola vs Jonathan OR Buhari vs Jonathan. In an election across Nigeria, Who will garner more votes against jonathan ?

That is a lie. No one from PDP apart from Omisore had much electoral value. Omisore is an Ife man, a section of the state that had high number of voters. A better candidate does not necessarily translate to high electoral value.

Fayemi's loss was more of protest vote than love of stomach infrastructure. If i should put a weight to it, it will goes thus

1. Protest vote = 50% (perceived high tuition of State university , teachers test resistance, late implemetation of 27.5%
increase in teachers wage, judiciary workers grudge, civil servants disgruntled, perceived high
taxation, failure to pay students bursary, opposition parties propaganda against incumbent, Crack
within party spearheaded by bamidele, failure of the masses to connect with the governors
tushed mien.)

2. Stomach Infrastructure = 30% ( 2 days before election, 30,000 bags of rice were distributed to those who showed
their voters card by Fayose. That in no small means influenced the election,APC found
it difficult to react or reacted late, I have seen a picture showing the Governor and his
wife dishing cooked rice to old women, i later found out the picture was taken since 2013
during a party with old elderly women in a celebration. Had Fayemi and his party
responded efficiently and timely enough like APC in osun did, the result might be
different.)

3. Federal might / Tsunami = 20% over 40,000 military men deployed, ,killing and disruption of APC;s rally 5 days to
election which included teargassing the governor could have scared some electorates,
arrest of APC leaders on the eve of election taking into cognisance that last minute
mobilisation by party leaders influences the way election goes, I likened such last
minute mobilisation to last minute revision students make before going in to an
exam hall, so if you seize the reading materials,the result is as good as your
guess.....

He could make others laugh, but he was sad and depressed....... what an irony !

My exact thoughts, It is important not to let the matter slide, simply because they won. It is a very shameful and brutal precedence, that must be stopped before the 2015 elections.

These kind of writers were missing when the heavy protest for school reversal was at its peak, how come they suddenly found their pen?


It is always difficult for the democratic elected govt to fail to listen to the voice of the masses, especially when the political class has highly politicised it, Why the writer's view is right, she is not politically correct , if you doubt me take a sample or opinion poll across spectrum of nigerians.


One of the major reasons Fayemi lost in Ekiti was that he increased school fees to over 100,000 naira in Ekiti state university, Infact , it was the youths in ekiti state that dealt him the most serious blow, little wonder his loss margin in the state capital was the most catastrophic. and guess what, i can place a bet that Fayose will reverse the cost, or at best reduce it drastically once he is sworn in, and the majority of the people will hail him as the "man of the people".

XKZ: It's not as simple as you guys are trying to make it. Land valuation has a subjective aspect. It is common to see valuer for opposing sides in litigation come up with widely varying property values. Similarly, a lot of banks in Nigeria have got their fingers burnt by relying on valuation reports.
Another challenge (at least in the Nigerian case) is agreeing on who is an 'independent valuer'. Will Lagos State accept a firm with majority Hausa, Igbo or Ijaw partners as 'independent'? Or will the FG accept a Lagos based firm (which most likely has done business with LASG previously) as independent? Will LASG accept one that has business dealings with FG? Should they take the average of several independent valuations ☺?

But whatever the case NPA is within It's rights to request to verify It's partners' claims. We should always try to encourage due diligence in government agencies.

It seems odd to me though that an independent valuation wasn't done much much earlier ie before land acquisition (except if NPA was not involved at the inception), at this stage the objectivity of the process will suffer.
I also find it odd that LASG is putting up the land as It's contribution since usually Nigerian governments (both state and federal) just appropriate land for their projects and only pay the residents compensation for improvements on the land and cash crops.

Well, i have no problem with the FG trying to verify its partners claim, but the long and typical fruitless process the FG takes in doing most of its things. From the report they have formed committees, and we all know how bureaucratic fruitless committees are their trademark, this will take forever, and at the end nothing gets done . Where are the 4 greenfield refineries promised by the fed. govt. since 2011? Still @ committee stage i guess.



I cant get to barb your hair when you are not there, the FG a partner to the project is expected to know what each partner is bringing to the table from the outset, i have absolute doubt about the sincerity and commitment of the FG to the success of the project.

On

Cotton: It sure is! That comes to about 3.75m per plot (as per my rough calculation using figures earlier provided in the thread).

And what is expensive about a 3.75 million per plot land in Lagos?

Is it painful that over 200 girls are abducted and yet not rescued 120 days after?

I hope one of the daughters of members of the presidency is abducted and not found for 120 days, then they understand threshold of pain.

manny4life: Bottom line is that there's disagreement between parties about the value of the land = to the equity contribution of the project. I think the FG should pull out because if a piece of land is sold 10x than the real worth, then it's not really worth anything. The FG position isn't the value of land, but the value equitable to their contribution.

For a project that hasn't begun yet, a project that hasn't taken off, how do they spend $60million? Isn't the scope of work included in the progressive constrution of the project? If Tolram has kicked off the project, that means construction already begun. The FG position stated

You need to first of all understand the phases of a project , there are roughly 6-7 stages, and yes all the stages require funding. at least from Project design, read the report once again, i have a feeling you did not read it.

Please developmental issues should be devoid of politics. From your tone, it seems you are interested in makng political statements.


If me and you in a joint venture want to set up a pure water manufacturing coy, and i am contributing a building and you are contributing the machines, to avoid disagreement, certified independent assessors can quantify the monetary value of my building, that way my equity contribution is determined.

manny4life: You and I know that land in Nigeria and particularly Lagos lands are over-inflated, an actual land of N5million becomes N50million particularly when they know it's a govt project. Both parties may not agree and any partner willing to take up the portion of the FG will question the same. As for Tolram group, how can they spend $60million on a project that's not taken off. NPA has a good argument. It's a partner in the project and should question issues like thins. I hope they resolve it soon because it sure may hinder the progress of the project.

Forget about what you and I think. We have land and estate valuers, so an independent professional land valuers can be employed to estimate that land. If the FG refuses to co-opeate with the assessment of an independent land valuer, then it simply does not want the success of the project, it is a clog in the wheel, that should be pushed out in every means possible., it is very annoying to be told value of land is a problem in such worthwhile project.


As for Tolram group, you have not seen the scope of work done so far on hundreds of hectares, so how do you start doubting from your computer it is not possible to have spent $60million ?

ademoladeji: Well, I wanna bliv you're a nigerian to know that our leaders have had most of all these pre-planned. We all know how things panned out during our days in schools. Fine! there must be action for a counter-action to take place. Buh I want you to know that all these efforts made by the citizens do not actually affect the decisions of the FG. We all live in a world of Naijawood where all plays r directed by Political factor. We've been highly politicised.

This is simply conspiracy theory, and it is a school of thought that takes the path of least resistance,I disagree with you.


It is wrong in all front to say ALL efforts made by citizens do not actually affect the decisions of the FG, please discard that thought process.

brownlord: Ok. which party they control Lagos state again?


Thunder fire those hypocrites this early morning, APC stealing more than PDP since 1800BC

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Good morning Oga Ekoile, how you see this matter?

You are here again with your meaningless rant, if only you care to read and understand the problem, you just might be able to make an objective statement. Education has failed you

So it is the NPA footdragging? They just might continue to investigate the value of the land contributed by LASG for the next 5 years, and at the end nothing gets done . I will implore the LASG to seek for a means to take up the portion of the FG (NPA) if actually that is possible.

How long should it take to value a land for goodness sake ? There are thousands of independentt land valuers, employ one and get the job done.

Lucasbalo: I am all for voting. Nigeria is a peculiar place for democracy because of the money influence. I wish you are right. I don't vote in Nigeria because I live outside but I never miss a vote here . I even vote absentee here if I am traveling outside the country. If true democracy is followed in Nigeria, maybe things will be better. The democracy in Nigeria is government of the few , by the few and for the corrupt elites.

Great, you have spoken well. i have great reservations for massive revolution because of its high failure rate.

Infact Jerry rawlings revolution failed initially, dont forget he seized power twice, after the set of people he handed over to after his first revolution were more corrupt than the ones he cleared out of the way. Ghana's economy is suffering greatly now allegedly because of one Mahama that Ghanians voted for, instead of a more worthy candidate. Mahama was an accidental candidate who stepped in after the president of Ghana died suddenly. There must be lot of Ghanians who sat down at home on election day believing God will select a president for Ghana

Lucasbalo: Voting in Nigeria doesn't solve the problem either because 99 percent of this politicians are corrupt. It's the case of lesser of two evils. I talk about revolution in the sense of what Jerry Rawlings did in Ghana by executing five former heads of states. That clean for a while. That's what I have I mind. Voting for corrupt politicians sure won't solve the problem.

Dont underestimate voting my brother. Our politicians are a reflection of we the followers, infact most of us are way more corrupt than our leaders, we are only complaining because we are not tall enough for our hands to reach the national cake. The Jerry rawlings option might not happen in the next 200 years , the realistic option is to try to select the better from the pool of "nonsense" leaders we have and put massive pressure on them to perform. Try and vote in the "jerry rawlings" Voter apathy is dangerous,be more involve and care to effect a change in your own little way.

Lucasbalo: Can not argue with u on that but we still have to be optimistic. Can hide here and pretend that Nigeria is doomed but I love Nigeria so much I hope things turn around positively for good. So many Nigerians have no where to turn to but Nigeria. That's why I call for massive revolution to cleanse the land of the maggots feeding on her.

Optimism without any concrete step is hallucination.

Massive revolution not necessarily needed, let's just do the basic things and not to leave it to God .

Simple things like going out to vote on election day, God will not thumb print ballot papers, he already gave us thumbs When i hear God will elect good leaders for us, my heart shivers coz how then will someone try to rationally select a good candidate from the pool of candidates when he already believes it is God's work.


Let us care to know our immediate leaders, and put them under pressure or through protest.

Let us try to understand how things work and not simply say "it is Gods work", My people will say ise oluwa ni ema tuwo(It is God's work dont try to understand it) (research and knowledge acquisition is very key )

Most nigerians are highly intellectual, but intellectually lazy, and it shows in the very common conclusive statement "it is God that will help us". Since we believe it is God that will help us, we thus dont take things seriously, since we believe virtually all things is not our primary responsibility but Gods responsibility

Lucasbalo: You have a point but we still have to hopefull. Youths here in Chicago are like that but some of them are serious too. I pray to God for the country to rise up.

We have been praying to God for the country to rise up since 'forever",. God has answered our prayer a LONG LONG TIME ago , but we have refused to do our part of the bargain. My God can not be fooled, what majority do is simply wishful thinking. Many countries with half of their population atheist are even progressing while ours is showing no sign of improvement

ademoladeji: Fight against gini? Solution to kini? Babe, this is naija! We know how things work here. Abiola died n we protested! Do you know how may of my friend that were shot by the military? 2 of dem got their limbs amputated. We all knw what happened during the Occupy9ja... The NLC n TUC were bribed n we were forced to accept N97 for petrol... The chibok girls.... The Diariz God.... The truth of it all is that we love our dear lives n can only pray individually for God's protection coz you can't fight for or against the government. Our opinions no fit count so let's juz smile n make ourselves happy.

This post made 2 minutes after i made mine is an example of "everything should be left to God" syndrome i stated earlier.

In all the examples he gave, he forgot that if people had not protested heavily through occupy naija petrol price might be 140 naira today and not 97.

He forgot if people had not protested heavily during military regime for change, Nigeria might not.
have returned to civilian regime.

He forgot if there was no "bring back our girls protest", the currenr=t govt will not have accepted there was any kidnapping talkless of taking any action.

I am forced to believe it is caused by poor understanding of RELIGION.


I hear people say "God will elect good leaders for us" and yet they sit at home on election day

"God will help me" yet they have made no effort to help themselves. "God will provide for you" yet they have not given a little to assist the other one.


faith without works is dead. Most Nigerians have stopped critical thinking, reasoning and action and placed it on the footsteps of God, forgetting that God gave them brain and made us in his own image.

I am sure if the wright brothers who invented the aeroplane in the 19th century were Nigerians, family and friends would have made concerted efforts to stop them from achieving such invention with the believe they are "trying to play God" flying in the air.

Can hand sanitizers deal with virus?

I though hand sanitisers can only deal with bacteria.

Obanikoro should be rechristened Minister of defense for Electoral Manipulation

PvtParts: Ekiti people are not jobless

Ekiti people are smarter they do not see election winning as the benchmark but the actual day to day dividends. They know fayose can deliver as he did I his last term but they did not appreciate his conduct. Fayose has learnt his lessons and his people were wiling to give him a second try.

As for osun enjoy your next 4 years of retro progressive

Get lost and focus on your state. Jonathan will lose his seat in 2015. Deal with it.

Fayose's victory in Ekiti did not experience this kind of jubiliation for two reasons......

My biggest concern is that the educational reforms in the state should be concluded in no distant time, the proposed number of schools built completely, more school buses, the learning tablet distributed to a larger section of high school students, and recruitment of more number of school teachers where needed with a strong focus on Science and technical subjects.

He has 4years and 4 months left to achieve what i listed above, and if he does see it through, i have no doubt, the resultant effect will show in the quality of the populace in the next decade, as well over 50% of the school age children in the state attends public schools.

He won with over 100,000 votes difference.

The report is so faulty. The crux of the matter was missing.

What duration it took for the falconets to score?

APC's loss in Ekiti will be a blessing disguising as disappoinment at the long run.

They will now sit up and fix loose ends at least at the SW region.

Ekiti has the lowest voters population of all the APC states, at the end it is like sacrificing a pawn for the opponents queen in a chess game. Now the pressure is on Fayose, all searchlight beamed on him, he MUST perform whether he likes it or not, and it is a win-win

jmaine: Very blunt attempt . . .who is JEGA boss . . . .

Independent National Electoral Commission. Dont quote me again, you are too skew minded to reason objectively

jmaine: Who is JEGA answerable to ?

NIGERIANS, and not the nonsense you think it should be.

brownlord: some of you apc supporters are stupid by default, since 2011 voted was counted and announced at polling unit, so why making it sound JEGA gave the directive today, everything you said now, result being circulated on social network is same thing that has happened, anambra, edo, ekiti, so what makes this difference? learn to comment and criticize when need be and not just talk or comment for commenting sake

You blockhead, the point is the evil PDP tried all the toxic tricks hounding APC leaders and even an assasination attempt, i know your corrupt and evil mind can not think objectively. I will no longer reply you dunce.

The election was not free and fair. APC leaders were thoroughly harassed, the saving grace was that Aregbesola was widely loved.

Only idiots and mad people will call what happened in Osun a free and fair election. The turning points for INEC was JEGA who asked votes must be counted at polling units, and the proliferation of social media usage to propagate such results, if not the usual collation centre magomago will have happened. PDP was more than desperate to subvert the will of people. You PDP hypocrites should keep shut and mourn the loss in a corner.