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cornelboy:
Colossians 1:18 KJV And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence

Here it shows that Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead to a spirit life and also the most preeminent.

KJV is not your cherry pick one, people behind the work of KJV didn't believe Jesus was created so next time stick to your own translation NWT.

"and he is the head of the body, the congregation.+ He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,+ so that he might become the one who is first in all things;" - NWT

Two things here:

First: He is THE BEGINNING, note that The Father is also called The Beginning

Second: So that he might BECOME the ONE who is FIRST in ALL THINGS.

If you agree with Watchtower that Jesus was the FIRST created Being, why must He be the ONE WHO BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS?

Is He not the FIRST IN ALL THINGS before?

MaxInDHouse:
They just dismiss the idea of a beginning!

Olodo....

Does John 1:1 say the Word had a beginning?

Genesis 1:1 already told us what was created first.

"In the BEGINNING, God created heavens and earth"

To say Jesus was created first means Genesis should be read "In the BEGINNING, God created a Word"

Don't forget the Father is also "THE BEGINNING"

Does it mean the Father was created?

Aemmyjah:
The WORD had a beginning

Where did you see that from the scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying the first born of creation is no part of creation?

Yes! Jesus Himself said He had glory with the Father even before the WORLD(UNIVERSE) begins.

What is the meaning of the word firstborn Son in a family?

It means superior in.

Not CREATED,

Greek/Hebrew word for CREATE and FIRSTBORN are not the same.

Janosky:
ALL this nah WAILING

From the misinformed hallgoer miscreant

In your own Bible did the Corinthian brethren teach that Jesus did not resurrect?

But they didn't say Jesus is the one who taught them that there's no resurrection.

In your own Bible, did Thomas believe that Jesus Christ resurrect until Jesus persuaded him?

Thomas used his own human understanding reason why he needs HARDCORE EVIDENCE.

Thomas never claimed God told him that Jesus won't resurrect.

Did Samuel the prophet give a FALSE anointing in your Bible?

Samuel had WRONG perspective about the situation using his own human understanding and God corrected Him immediately.

Just as Thomas adjusted his beliefs about Jesus resurrection

Thomas adjusted because he realised he was WRONG and not on God's side.

Did Watchtower agreed that they are lying against God when God didn't send them?

JWs have readjusted to conform with JEHOVAH'S standards as the Corinthian brethren readjusted themselves, 2 Corinthians 13:9,11.

The question is, who taught JWs all those MISTAKES?

Jesus Himself corrected the Corinthians because He knows they are in error.

JWs on the other hands claimed God taught them everything. In fact, what they taught is not of man but from God.

That's is a lie against God and not man.

Can God teach error?

Do you agree JWs are just using their own human understanding and NOT DIRECTED BY God?

Till tomorrow,Pastor kumuyi your 3 deities anointed is still doing reforms.

Then you agree that both Kumuyi and your gods in Warwick are on the same level

Your gods of men are still mishearing from your 3 deities.

That's the evidence that those gods of men and your gods in Warwick are on the same page.

Make una continue WAILING about JWs.
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Why you'll continue crying and pained

oteneaaron:
Why is it so easy for Jehovah's Witnesses to spread LIES?

Jehovah's Witnesses prophesied that the world would end in 1975.

Here are some of the evidence -

Oya, deny the above evidence.

There is plenty more from where that came from.

Do you think he doesn't know that?

He is just a lying liar hallgoer miscreant.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where Jesus expressly stated that he is EQUAL TO THE FATHER?

"so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him." John 5:23 - NWT

In case you don't understand this scripture, just walk up to any elder in your Hall, then tell the elder, today begin to honour me JUST AS you honour Jehovah.

Let's see how it will go. Don't forget to do video also

MaxInDHouse:
Quote a publication of Jehovah's Witnesses where it's explicitly stated that the world will end in year so and so!

Lying liar misinformed hallgoer miscreant

MaxInDHouse:
Did i tell you it never happened?
Come on, God's people realized that many are so poor that they can't even afford the literatures but they showed genuine love for the truth so instead of collecting money as value God's people concluded that whoever wants the books should be given freely..
Does that makes the master who corrected them wrong?
Note how he paid workers the same wage {Matthew 20:1-16} if you have once paid for a publication that shouldn't deprive others who needs it yet they don't have the money!

Is it not the same master who gave the instructions of collecting money from people in the first place?

If it's not the same master, then who gave the instructions of collecting money?

MaxInDHouse:
So Jehovah's Witnesses are the real followers of Christ since we don't declare a specific date but keep announcing the same thing Jesus announced!

So which date did Jesus return?

achorladey:
You have to put claiming to make your religious organization the true Christians

Meanwhile, he is the deluded one who said the name Christian is bastardized and cursed.

But now CLAIMING to be the same Christian

cedricksly:
the trinity doctrine was smuggled into christiandom through cloak and dagger means

Who smuggled it in?

it never existed from the very first original bible translation.

Even till now, Trinity never existed in any Bible translations.

So what is your point?

Deuteronomy 6:4 said it and was said again in Mark 12:29, God is one

Even the Trinitarians still hold the believe that God is one.

forget the trinity fallacy that came about from deliberate mistranslation of the bible original text by long James and Co.

Point out those mistranslation Bible text let's see your point.

The bible refer to jesus christ as the first born of all creation

Which means?

and jesus never spoke neither did he teach about the trinity Gospel, the trinity Gospel is rooted in Falsehood.

Nothing like Trinity Gospel.

Where did you hear that lie from?

The only spirit in itself is the power of God(Zechariah 4:6, Micah 3:

No doubt about it.

Jesus is also called the Power of God.

So, what's your point here?

the TRINITY GOSPEL IS UNBLIBLICAL.

The Bible says The Father is eternal
The Bible says Jesus is Eternal
The same Bible says Holy Spirit is Eternal.

Is God not ONLY eternal BEING?

U can choose to argue, but this is the truth and in time you will know.

You can also choose to argue but the truth is found in the Bible not mere wishful thinking and manipulations.

In due time, you'll know either.

achorladey:
Cornelboy you are a thief?

Cornelboy go and bring evidence that you are a thief.

Wait why are you still mentioning me. You want to save your face of lies and manipulations abi?

Can you imagine the nonsense talk.

He even asked me to proof that you're not disfellowshiped

cornelboy:
Show evidence that you left yourself

Did Watchtower give people who left their organisation receipt for leaving them?

cornelboy:
Now you're talking

So what am I saying?

cornelboy:
Lol I'm telling you that degrees are not needed to be rich.

Then who says it's needed to be rich or does our discussion go that line?

And of course we go to school because of money.

And what has this got to do with the our discussion?

Oya tell me the contradiction there lol

Focus on POV....

cornelboy:
Why do we go to college if not for money lol

You're the one who said "That should show you that degrees are useless when it comes to making money."

Then you trunk around to ask "Why do we go to college if not for money?"

Something is definitely messing up with your brain.

You're his lawyer na. Oya bring proof

Just see how you're just disgracing yourself on a public forum.

cornelboy:
That should show you that degrees are useless when it comes to making money.

So where did I say you need degrees to make money?

I only said your education (if you actually acquired any) is a waste.

Brainwashed is bad

Bring proof that achorladey left himself and wasn't disfellowshipped

So I should be the one to bring PROOF when you're the one who accused him falsely.

Na wa oooo

cornelboy:
Have you used your education to accomplish anything?

Yes!

The richest people in the world today dropped out of college.

But he is educated and acquired various degree later.

A person that was disfellowshipped is definitely an ex JW

So what of the person who left willingly?

mank1234:
Only KJV has this interpretation.

This is not true.

Many translations have it just that most MODERN translations don't.

So they feel it has been manipulated. They may be right in that regards. But they are also wrong in some other ones.

Well the major reason for Its rejection is that, the text wasn't found in MAJORITY EARLY GREEK MANUSCRIPTS but only found in most Latin manuscripts. Which is late.

But the evidence is that most early Christians scholars both Greek and Latin already know about the word and alluded to it in their writings. So something must have gone wrong along the way of transmitting.

cornelboy:
Achorladey admitted that he is an ex JW many times

So exjws must always be the people disfellowship from the organisation

And what you people just want to proof is that nobody left the organisation on their own will without being punished for one wrong or the other

Your education (if you ever acquired one) is a waste.

Courz:
He has answered you yet you call him a Liar. I talk am achorladey. Foolish cornelboy still thinks you are disfellowshipped because Mad MaxInDHouse his god said so.

Oya prove to us that he is lying now. Mumu.

The day that misinformed hallgoer miscreant MaxinDhouse said openly here that it was Holy Spirit of God who told him that I was Olaadegbu and Johnw47. Then you should know there's no length they can't go just to lie against someone.

Tushkid74:
Lol.

Looks like there is more to this than I thought.

Any small expose against your organisation you people term it as hate.

In all your honesty and sincerity (if you have any), have you seen any Watchtower article against other Christians as hate?

Tushkid74:
Anyone could claim to be anything online.

I agree but this apply to you too.

There are some ex-JWs who might have left because they were displeased with the doctrine.

You using the word 'MIGHT' shows how dishonest you are.

People have actually left because of doctrines, life style, deceptions e.t.c

It's understandable,but no one hounds them as some people here want us to believe.

Those people gave their testimonies not what outside people want us to believe.

Tushkid74:
Another thing is,if you notice, they always set really high standards for JWs unlike what they demand from the non-occultic Christians.
Shows JWs are doing something right.
Lol

Can you show us the standard demand from JWs?

Look at what your organisation has accused other Christians for.

For instance, the person you're quoting once said that the name Christian is 'bastardized and cursed' reason why Jehovah gave them a new name.

When scripture says we should not be ashamed to be called Christian.

Yet in another breath of his hypocrisy he will hide to still claim to be a Christian.

Tushkid74:
Do you know any JW in person,and have you been to a Kingdom Hall before?

Do you mean you haven't read testimony of your fellow JWs on this same thread about your organisation?

MaxInDHouse:
Check most versions today first.
Thanks!

Which means those versions are accurate too

Janosky:
The holy scriptures disciplines and corrects us, 2 Timothy 3:16.

JaNosense the misinformed hallgoer miscreant.

So you agree that the Corinthians and Samuel didn't make the claim like your lie lie organisation made in their false prophecies.

Your envy, prejudice and bias is uncalled for.

Says the idiot who think Samuel and the Corinthians made the same mistake that JWs made in their false prophecies

Continue WAILING in sifia pains.[/b]

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If you're not in severe pain. Your ranting here wont be this loud

Memyselfu2009:
SO this is also simple logic First lets make it clear God has no beginning and has no end therefore the bible verse in John 1vs 1 would be in contradiction with verse that acknowledge God has no beginning and has no end.

I love this point, reason why God is said to be ETERNAL.

According to the Bible Jesus is eternal and Holy Spirit is eternal.

By your own explanation it means they are both God.

Mind you the bible also made is clear that Jesus was created 1 col 1 vs 15.

No where Bible ever said Jesus was created.

"Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation," - NLT

"Christ is exactly like God, who cannot be seen. He is the first-born Son, superior to all creation." - CEV

This is Col 1:15, where did it say Jesus was created?

So the question is what beginning was 1 john 1 vs 1 refer to two. Its is the beginning to creations that why that verse said in the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was god.

You're right it's about the beginning of creation but no god was with God as God created EVERYTHING ALONE.

SO ITS IS RIGHT TO SAY THAT JESUS WAS FIRST CREATED AND ALL OTHER THINGS THAT WAS CREATED HE WITNESS IT AND HE ALWAYS ACTIVELY INVOLUE IN GOD'S CREATIONS,

No where Jesus was said to be created.

Jesus himself said He had glory with the Father EVEN BEFORE THE UNIVERSE BEGINS.

So how come Jesus was created when the world was not in place?

@color, you should ask why NWT inserted the word 'OTHER' into Col 1 16-18.

because that was never part of scripture but intentionally added to change the meaning of that passage.

Read John 1:3 from NWT, "All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." - NWT

You can see that APART FROM HIM(Jesus) NOT EVEN ONE THING came into EXISTENCE.

So to say Jesus was created and God used Him to create OTHER THINGS (the word never used by any Bible writers) means Jesus created Himself.

Janosky:
We have ZERO ties to them.

Please check out this screenshot.
Martin Luther the Reformer knew what JWs know.

Did Russell say Jesus isn't Michael?

Your founder says Jesus isn't Angel Michael, you disagree but agree with person who says Jesus is Michael and God at the same time.

So do you agree that Nothing JWs is teaching today that has never been taught before?

Janosky:
@ 1 Corinthians 15:12
How come the same people Jesus Christ sent Paul to teach are saying there is no resurrection?

Do they say Jesus teach them that there's no resurrection of the dead?

Jesus sent Paul because He knows what they are teaching is not from Him.

So who did Jesus send to Watchtower for correction?

How come Thomas doubted Jesus resurrection @john 20:24-27 until Jesus persuaded Thomas?

Thomas doubted base on his own human understanding.

Thomas never claimed God told him that Jesus is not resurrected.

How come Samuel the prophet made a mistake about anointing?

Samuel made the ERROR base on his OWN HUMAN KNOWLEDGE and God corrected that immediately.

Samuel never said God to him it was this person before that.

Stop this nonsense for defending fraud.

JWs claimed they are the MOUTHPIECE OF JEHOVAH and they never taught anything base on Human knowledge but Jehovah feeds His sheeps.

Just the question that the OP asked and you people ran away from.

"If God is making corrections today in your midst, who is making the mistakes?"

You are interested in WAILING [/b]

The deluded misinformed hallgoer miscreant

Why you're interested in foolishness and lies.