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Tushkid74:
Anyone could claim to be anything online.

I agree but this apply to you too.

There are some ex-JWs who might have left because they were displeased with the doctrine.

You using the word 'MIGHT' shows how dishonest you are.

People have actually left because of doctrines, life style, deceptions e.t.c

It's understandable,but no one hounds them as some people here want us to believe.

Those people gave their testimonies not what outside people want us to believe.

Tushkid74:
Another thing is,if you notice, they always set really high standards for JWs unlike what they demand from the non-occultic Christians.
Shows JWs are doing something right.
Lol

Can you show us the standard demand from JWs?

Look at what your organisation has accused other Christians for.

For instance, the person you're quoting once said that the name Christian is 'bastardized and cursed' reason why Jehovah gave them a new name.

When scripture says we should not be ashamed to be called Christian.

Yet in another breath of his hypocrisy he will hide to still claim to be a Christian.

Tushkid74:
Do you know any JW in person,and have you been to a Kingdom Hall before?

Do you mean you haven't read testimony of your fellow JWs on this same thread about your organisation?

MaxInDHouse:
Check most versions today first.
Thanks!

Which means those versions are accurate too

Janosky:
The holy scriptures disciplines and corrects us, 2 Timothy 3:16.

JaNosense the misinformed hallgoer miscreant.

So you agree that the Corinthians and Samuel didn't make the claim like your lie lie organisation made in their false prophecies.

Your envy, prejudice and bias is uncalled for.

Says the idiot who think Samuel and the Corinthians made the same mistake that JWs made in their false prophecies

Continue WAILING in sifia pains.[/b]

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If you're not in severe pain. Your ranting here wont be this loud

Memyselfu2009:
SO this is also simple logic First lets make it clear God has no beginning and has no end therefore the bible verse in John 1vs 1 would be in contradiction with verse that acknowledge God has no beginning and has no end.

I love this point, reason why God is said to be ETERNAL.

According to the Bible Jesus is eternal and Holy Spirit is eternal.

By your own explanation it means they are both God.

Mind you the bible also made is clear that Jesus was created 1 col 1 vs 15.

No where Bible ever said Jesus was created.

"Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation," - NLT

"Christ is exactly like God, who cannot be seen. He is the first-born Son, superior to all creation." - CEV

This is Col 1:15, where did it say Jesus was created?

So the question is what beginning was 1 john 1 vs 1 refer to two. Its is the beginning to creations that why that verse said in the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was god.

You're right it's about the beginning of creation but no god was with God as God created EVERYTHING ALONE.

SO ITS IS RIGHT TO SAY THAT JESUS WAS FIRST CREATED AND ALL OTHER THINGS THAT WAS CREATED HE WITNESS IT AND HE ALWAYS ACTIVELY INVOLUE IN GOD'S CREATIONS,

No where Jesus was said to be created.

Jesus himself said He had glory with the Father EVEN BEFORE THE UNIVERSE BEGINS.

So how come Jesus was created when the world was not in place?

@color, you should ask why NWT inserted the word 'OTHER' into Col 1 16-18.

because that was never part of scripture but intentionally added to change the meaning of that passage.

Read John 1:3 from NWT, "All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." - NWT

You can see that APART FROM HIM(Jesus) NOT EVEN ONE THING came into EXISTENCE.

So to say Jesus was created and God used Him to create OTHER THINGS (the word never used by any Bible writers) means Jesus created Himself.

Janosky:
We have ZERO ties to them.

Please check out this screenshot.
Martin Luther the Reformer knew what JWs know.

Did Russell say Jesus isn't Michael?

Your founder says Jesus isn't Angel Michael, you disagree but agree with person who says Jesus is Michael and God at the same time.

So do you agree that Nothing JWs is teaching today that has never been taught before?

Janosky:
@ 1 Corinthians 15:12
How come the same people Jesus Christ sent Paul to teach are saying there is no resurrection?

Do they say Jesus teach them that there's no resurrection of the dead?

Jesus sent Paul because He knows what they are teaching is not from Him.

So who did Jesus send to Watchtower for correction?

How come Thomas doubted Jesus resurrection @john 20:24-27 until Jesus persuaded Thomas?

Thomas doubted base on his own human understanding.

Thomas never claimed God told him that Jesus is not resurrected.

How come Samuel the prophet made a mistake about anointing?

Samuel made the ERROR base on his OWN HUMAN KNOWLEDGE and God corrected that immediately.

Samuel never said God to him it was this person before that.

Stop this nonsense for defending fraud.

JWs claimed they are the MOUTHPIECE OF JEHOVAH and they never taught anything base on Human knowledge but Jehovah feeds His sheeps.

Just the question that the OP asked and you people ran away from.

"If God is making corrections today in your midst, who is making the mistakes?"

You are interested in WAILING [/b]

The deluded misinformed hallgoer miscreant

Why you're interested in foolishness and lies.

Janosky:
Good afternoon Sir.
The son of the living God.
Matthew 16:13-17, According to Jesus Christ and Peter the apostle.
According to Jesus Christ,Did God in heaven approve that revealed truth?

But JWs still teaches that Jesus is Archangel Michael.

So you know every CHRISTIANS stand is that Jesus is the Son of God but the identity of Jesus is where the narration differs

Meanwhile what the scripture says is that "But these are written that you may believe[b] that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." John 20-31

cornelboy:
John 17:20-21
[20]“I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message.
[21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

Lol look at Jesus prayers...but we have about 40k different Christian sects today.

There many churches in the early stage of Christianity headed by different Leaders.

So lemme ask you, do you think all these churches with different doctrines are worshiping the same God?

JWs doctrines are part of those DIFFERENT doctrines.

Who are you to determine who is WORSHIPPING the same God?

Jesus disciples saw a man doing wonders in Jesus name and the disciples wanted to stop him. What did Jesus tell them?

He said they should leave him as long as he is not against them.

Today JWs would have said no he is not part of Jesus followers

cornelboy:
Lol leave them.

But you won't still leave

They don't understand that it was even after Jesus accomplished his mission on earth that he got promoted in heaven. He was exalted to the right hand of God.

So the person God created DIRECTLY still needs to be promoted.

Which position was He promoted to?

Janosky:
Continue WAILING with your GIBBERISH.

You Emusan LIAR g paulgrundy , your comprehension skills leaves much to be desired

Jankara school of illiteracy graduates.

Defender of fraudster, I salute you ooo

Janosky:
Carry your GIBBERISH to the dustbin.
You are practicing POLYTHEISM.
Awon Worshipper of 3 triune deities.

Here comes the Mr gibberish typer
Just as Russell did.

Awon worshippers of 8 gods in Warwick

paulGrundy:
SOURCE: Encyclopedia of the Holy Trinity

TRINITY BROCHURE: The Catholic work Trinitas-A Theological Encyclopedia of the Holy Trinity, for example, notes that some of Tertullian's words were later used by others to describe the Trinity. Then it cautions: "But hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for he does not apply the words to Trinitarian theology." (ti pp.5-6)

FULL QUOTE: "The great African fashioned the Latin language of the Trinity, and many of his words and phrases remained permanently in use: the words Trinitas and persona, the formulas 'one substance in three persons,' 'God from God, light from Light.' He uses the word substantia 400 times, as he uses consubstantialis and consubstantivus, but hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for he does not apply the words to Trinitarian theology"
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SOURCE: New Catholic Encyclopedia - p.306

TRINITY BROCHURE:
"And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "And the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]."" (ti p.6)

FULL QUOTE: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT. In many places of the OT however, expressions are used in which some of the Fathers of the Church saw references or foreshadowings of the Trinity."
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SOURCE: Origin and Evolution of Religion

TRINITY BROCHURE: "Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins affirmed: "To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it."-Origin and Evolution of Religion." (ti p.6)

FULL QUOTE: "The beginning of the doctrine of the Trinity appears already in John (c.100 AD." To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; at any rate they say nothing about it."

Religion of lies and deceits.

Bossdave:
No wonder!!

In 2001, I was in a gathering where I was supposed to minister. A woman who was a convert from JW mounted the podium before me to addresse
the congregation. The first words that came out of her mouth was 'You know we worship three Gods...' After she stopped the mic, it was my turn to minister, and the first thing I did was to correct that errorneous declaration. I now understand why she spoke that way. That was the lie they told them when they were in those kingdom halls.

The Trinity is a 'He' and not a 'They'. To this, all Christians worldwide agree. There's no disputation about that. We serve only one God. Not 3. Please stop the blasphemy and the falsehood.

The lies and erroneous teachings they have taught against Trinity, one can wonder why there is so much fuse about Trinity by JWs.

They are not the one to reject Trinity.

They are not the one who raise first issue against Trinity.

Yet whenever you see them talking about Trinity they are so furious with anger.

To the extent that Watchtower had to publish a book titled "Should you believe in Trinity?"

That book was full of lies and misrepresentation of the early Christians on Trinity. So after public outcry against it, they have to remove the book from their library.

Another thing about the book is that Watchtower was using Atheist works to argue against Bible?

Very pathetic.

Sand2022:
What wasn't originated from Erasmus, the Textus Receptus?

The comma.

I don't understand your last statement. Do you mean that KJV used the earlier Text you mentioned? If so, I think you did mention Textus Receptus, unless I didn't understand you post. I quote;

"NT: Textus Receptus
Apocrypha: Greek Septuagint; Latin Vulgate."

I mean KJV didn't used ONLY TEXTUS RECEPTUS but Vulgate where the comma appears.

Yes, that's possible. I did say that the Comma appeared on the margin for years before it was added to the main text. It first appeared in a latin bible around 5th century.

At what point does it added to the MAIN TEXT?

Before 5th century or after 5th century?

The comma was in Latin, not Greek manuscripts.

Yes!

That's suspicious because the original was written in Greek.

The original was written in Greek no doubt about it but what we have today are COPIES of the original. So something can happen along the transcription.

So, the latin was a translation.

Just as the Greek manuscripts we have today are COPIES of the original.

One would wonder why it is not found in all the old Greek manuscripts but a translation, latin.

If we wonder about how! We can only ask questions.

So the question is, what if it was removed intentionally or by omission?

What if it wasn't in the original at all?

Like I said earlier, an Umluats (double dot) was discovered in 1 John 5:7-8 in one of the oldest Greek manuscripts Codex Vaticanus those who discovered it acknowledged the dots but tried to explained of its non important away.

But the truth is the Umluats are there and the only thing missing with the Umluats is the comma.

If I understand you, you say that the comma didn't appear in Vatican 1209.

I didn't.

Yes, it didn't appear there, and that is significant considering the importance attached to that manuscript. So that phrase must be spurious.

In 1995 Philip B. Payne discovered “umlauts” (double dots) in the margins of various places in Codex Vaticanus. He and many scholars agree that these umlauts indicate lines where a textual variant was known to the scribe.

Interestingly, an umlaut appears next to the phrase “τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες” in Vaticanus. Payne briefly discusses and seemingly dismisses the significance of the umlaut in 1 John 5:7 (p. 112, footnote 34), but without a doubt the umlaut is there.

Check the attached below screenshot

ANormalHuman:
If I ask, what exactly is that thing you are doing that other Churches don't do, it will be another saga of rubbish talk.

Here is the real point.

They claim today they have the truth.

Then ask them, which truth do you have today that is not known by anyone since the beginning of Christianity? Silent mode!

Scholars and archeologists have put the destruction of Jerusalem to 586/587BC, why is Watchtower still saying Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BC to arrive at 1914? Silent mode!

I regret conversing with this guy... I feel so irritated.

You don't need to stress yourself on that, he is fed up with the organisation but just using Nairaland as a saving face. That's why he is so restless and sleepless on this forum.

cornelboy:
No argument.

And you're here, for what?

If true Christianity was not lost along the way, and the Roman Catholic didn't take over the church, JWs organization wouldn't be here today.

In one breath, there has always being the truth lover throughout the ages - Watchtower

Misinformed hallgoer miscreant - JWs organisation wouldn't be here today.

Besides, is JWs not all those who worship the true God again?

So you now agree that Nothing like JWs before Russell started the movement.

Since there was no church or group adhering to the pure doctrines of the Bible, the churches existing were heavily influenced by the Roman Catholics dogmas, Russell started questioning their strange doctrines and formed a group for the extensive study and research of the scripture.

But we have those who stood up against Roman Catholic and your organisation claimed they are LOVERS OF TRUTH.

If Russell started questioning their strange doctrines.

Why did Russell still teaching Jesus is God
Not Angel Michael, Celebration of Birthday?

So can you tell us one THING Russell discovered that had not been known or taught before?

Remember they didn't get all the truths in a day,

Did Russell himself tell you this?

they started from the dogmas of the Roman Catholics and they kept unveiling scripture truths and here we are today.

So the scripture truths they unveiled is that Jesus is God and should be worshipped.

Celebration of Birthday is okay.

Jesus isn't Angel Michael infact God instructed All Angels(including Micheal) to worship Jesus.

Or you have another truth they unveiled again?

MightySparrow:
They form here as the only knowledgeable people.

That's to those who don't know scripture indepth.

Almost all their strong doctrines have holes.

Very correct.

If you are familiar with their magazines, esoe, Awake, it is now a shadow of what it used to be.

It's more lies to cover another lies.

I was given one li that some years back by my own brother about Trinity. I coudn't really see their claims in history.

Search for their brochure titled "Should you believe in Trinity?" full of lies and misrepresented the teachings of the early Christians on Trinity.

Not only that, it even contains the quote of Atheists just to mislead their followers.

So after much outcry from the public, the brochure had to be withdrawn from their library to their achieve.

To show you how shameless they are like their online robot. Bruce M. Metzger had to personally write a letter to WTBS to stop using his works because they always misrepresented and twisted his words.

I have typed here responding to threads about 1914 claim. It is the most unrealistic interpretation of the scriptures.

The funny thing about 1914 is that

1. It's not even JWs idea in the first place, it's what Russell borrowed from his former church SDA

2. No Bible verse supported it, reason why if you asked them till thy kingdom comes. No single verse will be provided.

3. Watchtower will use the word of scientists & archeologists but asked them how many archeologists support the date they used to arrive at 1914? None!

All archeologists evidences show that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586BC but WATCHTOWER still claiming it happened in 607BC without a single evidence.

I later found out that all those who challenged it within the organization were disfellowshiped.

That's their way.

There was one of the disfellowshiped members who did so much research on YouTube. I learned so much from his research about Trinity.

Another fantastic website is HERE

If you remove all this the use including 1 John 5;7. The doctrine is still valid. Well implied.

True! As other verses can be used to support Trinity.

You see their hypocrisy? It is out of this world. They can use inferences to support a claim but would attack your own.
Thanks for doing a great job.

I know them and their tactics very well, so I know where to hold them down.

You're welcome sir!

Sand2022:
Erasmus was the one who introduced the comma in his edition of the Textus Receptus.

KJV was made from TR after the Comma had been added.

But it wasn't originated from Erasmus.

Does it?

Not true, KJV used those manuscripts I mentioned earlier.

It is spurous. The Comma initially occured in the marginal note. It was never part of the bible until Erasmus added it in the 16th century.

It is not spurious!

People used the comma years long before 16th century.

And the comma was found in Old Latin 6th -7th century.

An Umluats (double dot) discovered in Codex Vaticanus shows text was missing between 1 John 5:7-8 and the only textual variant here is nothing but the comma

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote one thread where you ran to in criticizing Catholics, C&S or Pentecostals Churches?

That's why Google is your friend.

So you don't have data and statistics for your claim before you made that stupid claim.

It's only when JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are mentioned that all of you run into the thread asking series of questions!

Check the religion section and tell me how many JWs threads are currently on the first page.

OLODO..

kingxsamz:
Lol, it literally says "every" nw. 😂
Unless the word "every" now has another meaning, I don't know.

What point were you trying to make?

achorladey:
Abi ooo. Nairaland na watchtower property

You can even imagine the misinformed hallgoer miscreant said YES!

MaxInDHouse:
YES!

Waoooo I said it.

No other religion has been mentioned by different religionists on this forum apart from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Where are your data and statistics on this?

And you people always come asking us questions as if you people have the same teaching!

People will always ask questions, here people have asked Catholic, C&S, Pentecostal questions.

So, cut the lie.

MightySparrow:
I am back Sir. I can't find the JW's again. What happened?

Their mouth have been shut sir!

As there no place for manipulation and peddling lie here.

Sand2022:
It was added to the Greek master text by Erasmus.

What do you mean by Greek master text?

That's how it entered the KJV.

No! KJV only translate Bible using OT: Masoretic Text

NT: Textus Receptus
Apocrypha: Greek Septuagint; Latin Vulgate

And the text was in oldest Latin manuscripts 6-7th century.

However, it's origin seem to date back to the 4th century in some latin manuscripts till it found its way to the Latin Vulgate. It seem to be first noted in the margin before it entered the main bible text.

And this thread is about the text authenticity.

The text was alluded to by many early Christians, so something must have happened along the way.

MaxInDHouse:
They always come to Nairaland asking JWs questions as if they're asking just one person yet they don't know what that means! John 17:22

You could have even said Nairaland religion section was created because of JWs

achorladey:
Members of your religious organization don't have same line of thought.

Emusan was giving you repeated screenshot from Sunday discussion till Monday paapaa how your members gladly married those not Jehovah’s witnesses and your lying and manipulated brains say they are not Jehovah’s witnesses.

You want us to believe you over their words. You that have reputation built on lies and manipulations over the years on nairaland

You should have known him by now.

According to him, people like JaNosense aren't JWs because he watch football

He once said any JWs who watch football aren't real JWs.

But JaNosense created many football topics on Nairaland which shows he is a lover of football

[quote author=Maynman post=126058293][/quote]Olodo

Check my previous attached above

Codex Vaticanus and sinaiticus are MANUSCRIPTS

If not because you're too dull, I've provided you a dictionary meaning of MANUSCRIPTS AND PAPYRUS.

Yet you dish all that only to bring this

Maynman:
Dullard, a codex is book containing manuscript.

Olofo.

And it's still called manuscripts.

Olodo oshi

Maynman:
What's contain in a book?

Dullard

Are you asking me?

Olodo oshi

Maynman:
The collection of it is called a CODEX.
manuscript is not a Codex.

Manuscripts is A BOOK