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Brenbentondiaz:
Lolz. Who sent Jesus on a mission; Himself?

No! The Father.

You didn't read where He said He would grant the overcomer to sit on His thrown, as He also overcame and sits on His Father's thrones, right?

I read it!

Jesus didn't became God because of that, He has been God before coming to earth. Very simple!

You didn't answer ALL the questions in my post, why?

Brenbentondiaz:
OK the Bible is literal.

Do you mean this in respect to my question or just sarcastic to your question below?

So, when Jesus prayed for the apostles and his disciples to be one, He expected them to be a single person. I'm learning everyday.

Read the entire chapter then you'll know the meaning of Jesus statement.

By the way, I'm used to the off point mental gymnastics of your type. Like I always say, who wants to be lost will be lost.

Which means you can't refute any of the points I raised.

That's nice!

badoh:
You expect Tinubu care for the insecurities embraced by these same northerners. Bro, you can't defeat these people because it's an ideology and unfortunately the northerners are also supporting the killers because they are their brothers practicing the same religion. If the government starts serious offensive against them, no be the same northerners go call Amnesty international that the govt is killing their people. To be sincere, majority of those killings are politically motivated and there's nothing you can do to please these northerners.

So why does he care about the insecurity in South East?

Or care about the Insecurity in River State before declaring state of emergency?

Brenbentondiaz:
Was Jesus still fully Man and God in Revelations when He called God "My God" many times?

Jesus is still on His mission in heaven 1 Corin 15.

So, nothing wrong if Jesus is still using My God, Our God e.t.c

The great question should have been, what will be the identity of the person known as Jesus after His mission ended?

Brenbentondiaz:
I don't know whether you Trinitarians just love taking every expression literally (of it supports your funny doctrine), or it's just ignorance.

The funny thing is that, you know, Bible is in its literal form but I love this your angle.

Now, who decides what is literal or not in the Bible?

Now, you quoted where Jesus was called Lord and where Jehovah was called Lord. Same for Saviour etc. You now asked are there 2 Lords etc. Now, if someone tells you "Dangote built his refinery in Lagos", then on another day another person tells points to his friend and says, "my friend owns the construction company that built Dangote Refinery", would your question be, "do we have 2 builders of Dangote Refinery?" If the president sends a representative to an ocassion with a written speech, which states "as the president of this nation, I congratulate...", next this is to be asking, "do we have 2 president's?"

Very poor analogy.

Since you can explain very well, pls explain the below:

Before the explanation, I hope you know Jesus came to earth for a mission which makes Him to be part of Creation.

Which means Bible speaks about when Jesus was never part of Creation and when Jesus became part of creation to teach us about God.

1. Revelations chapter 3 where Christ said anyone that overcame He would make a pillar in the temple of His (Christ's) God.

Yes! That was Jesus still under His mission

2. Also in Revelations, Christ said He would make anyone that overcame sit with Him on His throne, just like He overcame and sits on the Throne with His Father (which, according to your "logic", would mean we Now have a lot more personalities in the "Godhead".

Godhead is the totality of God Himself.

Jesus isn't God because He to heaven in continuation of His mission but He is God before coming to earth as established in the scripture.

That human will share some attributes of God after resurrection doesn't mean human are fully God before.

3. Apostle Paul said something about the end where everything would be subdued under Christ, the Christ would be under God. If they were equal, I wonder why this arrangement.

The reason for that arrangement is simple, Christ came to reconnect man back to God which starts the whole process and after that the mission will be completed.

Read that 1 Corin 15 very and you'll see the angle Paul was addressing.

Paul starts from Son to Father and later switched to "...so that God will be ALL IN ALL"

why the sudden switch from Father to God and why must God be ALL IN ALL?

4. You've read in various scriptures how all powers have been given to Christ. Who gave Him those powers? Himself?

His Father gave Him the power for His mission.

5. In Revelations I read about the 7 Spirits of God. Ain't that making it 9 God's in 1 (assuming the Holy Spirit is One of those Seven?

No! The HOLY SPIRIT is the seven spirits not one of them.

I'm not a JW, by the way.

I think anybody asked you this as this thread not about Jws.

11. Flip-flop on Angel Michael's identity.

Jws: Jesus is superior than ALL ANGEL including Michael.

Jws: Few years later; Jesus is the same person as Angel Michael

Jws: Years later; No! Catholic Pope is the Angel Michael.

Jws: Years later; No! Angel Michael isn't Pope.

Jws: Years later; Jesus is Angel Michael.

Meanwhile, no scripture ever says Jesus is Angel Michael.

The most astonish part is, this set of people also have strong belief that Jesus was directing them all those years of this flip-flop teachings.

DoWhatThouWilt:
MaxInDHouse is currently enjoying hot ban. No peace.

If we go by his on logic, it means his posts are toxic and abusive.

CoolUsername:
Evolution makes no claims about the origin of life.

That means you don't know if the first life evolved or not?

It simply speaks on how that life diversifies. Abiogenesis and origin of life research are distinct fields of study from evolution.

This doesn't make any meaningful meaning since the NATURE OF THE FIRST LIFE wasn't known.

Abiogenesis can never happen with all the conditions on earth without careful or discreet control.

Matter of fact, the Catholic Church's official stance on it is that it is true and doesnt conflict with with the Christian faith.

You misunderstood the Catholic on this, the Catholic claim, is that even though living things have ability to evolve it's still within the set rules God the Creator put in them yet this doesn't mean there's evolution of ape-like into human.

The Catholic believe God created human as we are today.

helinues:
Still not from Jonathan but his allies

Do you know who Azibola is to Jonathan?

Remember, when GEJ made that infamous statement "There was a time I had no shoe" it was Azibola mum who came to GEJ rescue and trained him till he graduated. Which means, GEJ and Azibola are not allies but brothers.

Just search when the woman died and what GEJ did as a sitting president. Then you'll know Azibola and GEJ are blood blood reason why your darling Buhari only arrested Azibola in other to get close to GEJ shortly after 2015.

MaxInDHouse:
He is preparing a soft landing for anyone who will take over leadership of his church when he's no more because while he set standards without being challenged now many who view him as deputy Jesus won't take it easy with his successor which may lead to trouble after his death.
So to create a peaceful atmosphere for anyone who will take over from him the man needs to abolish any rule that he used to make his church seems different from all the others!😟

Is that what Watchtower is doing as well with their recent new light?

Well, as Kumuyi never claimed ALL his guidelines are from God, Watchtower over the time mostly claimed divine inspiration for their own rules or predictions.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny Churchian!

Who is responsible for the life in humans?
So out of thousands on Nairaland many are saying good things because one man's comments moves them to think deeply about faith in God therefore the man whose speeches intrigues them is the one getting the glory not the God he serves!

@underlined - the answer is capital YES! The scripture you cited said they will give glory to the Father in heaven.

Where have they done that in their post?

MaxInDHouse:
Surely it's worth recording:

"Let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:16

It's a crown of righteousness no servant of God will reject!

Who among the people you've quoted their comments FULFILLED @color-part OR that part doesn't concern you in that verse?

Well they are not given glory to the Father in heaven as you're the one collecting the glory

SarcasticWords:
Yes, done and dusted

Correct!

Next!

Jesus is equal to God!

SarcasticWords:
https://ainhypho.sirv.com/TROLL/PARROT.gif

I like that, you're short of words

SarcasticWords:
Jesus will be made subject to the Father. I believe you know the meaning of the word subject.

Yes! Do you read also that "...God will be ALL IN ALL"?

Can we stop putting words in Jesus mouth and simply accept what he told us. The Father is GREATER than him.

I quoted the scripture or you mean I'm the one who put Phil 2:6 in the Bible?

Don't add, don't subtract. Just take it as he has said it.

Where did I add or subtract?

SarcasticWords:
Very simple verses. Let us break it piece by piece so that it is crystal clear.

1. When Christ The Son has destroyed all dominion, authority power and death, he will hand over the kingdom to God The Father.

2. Everything has been put under Christ feet except God The father who put everything under Christ feet.

3. Christ will be made subject to God The Father who put everything under christ feet.

It's so funny how you people will argue on how people didn't understand scripture when in reality it's people like you who are doing the exact thing.

When you read that verse did you read it word for word? It evident you didn't.

Let me take you through it.

"When everything is subject to Christ, then the Son himself will also be subject to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. - 1 Corin 15:28

Look at that @color part critically, did you understand what happened when Christ is subjected to the Father?

"...God will be ALL IN ALL"

Do you see how the object change from the Father to just God?

This is to tell you that, Jesus who became The Son for a mission on earth is bringing that mission to an end and He will revert back to God He was before taken Human nature.

The bible is crystal clear. Jesus christ The Son and God The father are not and are never equal.

They are equal.

Phil 2:6

Jesus Christ is 💯 percent correct.

"The Father is GREATER than I"

Jesus will always correct! Yes The Father is greater than Jesus when He took on the form of human to redeem man back to God. That is why Jesus grew in knowledge despite the fact that Jesus is the VERY WISDOM OF GOD, feel hungry despite the fact that He is the very Creator of ALL THINGS.

Jesus was on earth to teach us the way of God.

How do you expect Jesus to it by raising Himself as God in front of everyone or using Himself as example?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't read people's comments you only want to argue.
Jehovah is a name not title like God or Lord. In ancient Israel the title Lord was used for people but the divine name Jehovah belongs only to one person so if Jesus was called Lord it's because he is the chosen or anointed King he is not Jehovah!

Lying liar!

In ancient Israel the Title God or Lord were used but always in lower case and most importantly these Title when used for Yahweh it's always used with the definite article THE or Capitalize.

Which means no true Israelite will ever use The Lord or God for another person.

You can proof me wrong.

FxMasterz:
Spot on!

Maxindhouse, over to you.

Or you should have rather asked him where was the word 'Bible' that he normally uses can be found in the God's word OR to expose his hypocrisy the more, you can ask him where does he find the word 'Theocracy' in the scripture?

Note: In other to whitewash THEOCRACY being used by Watchtower, he'll tell you, Jws don't preach it which is a lie and I've also seen where he tried to avoid using the word Bible by claiming that was the reason Watchtower chooses NEW WORLD and didn't call their version of the scripture BIBLE which is also a lie but Watchtower publications & awake are fill with the usage of BIBLE.

Janosky:
Hebrew lexicon 7069
Go &EDIT it inside KJV bible dictionary.
Or
Sorry for yourself.

Just as Watchtower keeps editing their version to conform with their doctrines

Back to the main issue, according to that AI screenshot, did the AI claim that Jesus is a CREATED BEING according to Col 1:15?

You can't escape this.

Janosky:
Genesis 49:3 -
3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the firstfruits of my strength, preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power"

Emusan, who is First born of Jacob as Jesus is firstborn of God?

Genesis 49:3 & Colossians 1:15 is very simple for Bible students but not easy for Liars.

Oga Emusan, continue deceiving yourself.

Mr continue to deceive yourself, you couldn't comprehend my post and the reason you couldn't address it properly.

Try again later!

Janosky:
Emusan, is your KJV dictionary giving the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069 Qoneh ( is "CREATE" @ Proverbs 8:22, Genesis 14:19, Psalms 139:13 screenshot ) was published by your fellow Trinitarians to suit Watchtower doctrine?

Emusan Stop deceiving yourself.

He has ran away from AI screenshot

Kai...so sorry for you.

Janosky:
Emusan , your own Bible Genesis 49:3

"Reuben, you are my first-born; My might and the beginning of my strength, Preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power"

Reuben , Jacob's first born is Preeminent.
Glaring evidence that Emusan does not know the meaning of Preeminence.

According to Emusans logic, Reuben preeminence over ALL children of Jacob makes Reuben their procreator.
Emusan Stop deceiving yourself.

Kai....this is so pathetic.

You keep reinforcing my point but in your small mind you thought you're given a strong support to your own point.

If this is the brain you're using to cross road, I'm very sorry for you.

Firstly, the term FIRSTBORN as used by Apostle Paul means Jesus is PREEMINENCE not that Jesus was the FIRST TO BE CREATED. This is the point you keep missing or deliberately ignoring which is also the point you brought forth concerning Reuben.

Secondly, looking at the meaning of PREEMINENCE is simply defined as: "Preeminence is the quality of being superior. It’s a type of high status or distinction for anything considered to be the best at something"

This supported Col 1:15 that Jesus is SUPERIOR ALL OVER CREATION not that Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING.

So, as you can see, the point of Col 1:15 is that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN(that is superior over creation) just as Reuben is the FIRSTBORN(higher in rank to other children despite the fact that Reuben isn't the FIRST BORN CHILD).

IT'S EVIDENT HERE NOW THAT Col 1:15 isn't about Jesus being the FIRST CREATED BEING.

You provided a solid point against yourself yet you thought your point supported your position as the valid one. That's very laughable.

Lastly, here is the whole summary:

Col 1:15 didn't place Jesus as the FIRST CREATED BEING it's wrong interpretation like that of Watchtower that made it so. Col 1:15 is very simple to understand without even Dictionary Jesus is PREEMINENCE OVER ALL CREATIONS which means Jesus is not part of creation as He is the very Creator strongly supported by Col 17-18.

Do you understand now?

Lorechino:
Since this year alone ,I can vividly count how many celebrities that have had such horrible experience, reason is not that this Pop's are not strong, but after buying or renting the house many of them goes to add more decorations to it (modifying the existing POP, ADDING HEAVY LIGHTS , Changelings abi wetin , etc. Cos I have seen many people around me with this POP in their personal houses without issue for decades. (If u wan buy house go for structure test)

Structural test on POP

Are you sure you understand what Structural test means?

Why your point about adding more loads on the POP is sound. The buck blame to be placed appropriately which is on the person who installed the POP.

Why?

Every designer always uses higher factor of safety in case of something like this and this should be communicated to the user on what/how to use it.

Imagine if higher factor of safety aren't factor in for a car design for 5 passengers but the same car are used to carry 7-8 passengers in Nigeria.

madridguy:
The FG should declare state of emergency in Kwara State since the governor can no longer protect the state from bandits.

Always pretending as if they care about people when they are the major enabler and praise singer of the same government.

MaxInDHouse:
Apart from Supreme Being the title "GOD" could be defined in many ways.

Who defined it in MANY WAYS?

In the Bible Jesus is not the first person to be conferred with that title but when readers has been indoctrinated they will look away from reasonableness.

So you agreed the Title conferred on Jesus Christ is "GOD". Very interesting.

But you who doesn't look away from reasonableness believe Jesus is THE ONLY BEING DIRECTLY CREATED by God and God used him to CREATE ALL OTHER THINGS.

So, how can such a being have EQUAL among ALL OTHER THINGS he was used to create?

All what trinitarians keep pointing to is the Bible book of John chapter 1:1 which reads:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

Which Trinitarians ever tell you that John 1:1 read "...and the word was a god"?

Also, the fact that you can only pick John 1:1 to claim that is the only verse Trinitarians always use to proof Jesus is God is a blatant lies.

Jesus Himself said "He had Glory with the Father before the World(creation ever happened)"

If Jesus was there before creation (time) happened, it means Jesus exists in eternity and the only being who lives in eternity is God.

Did Moses and the rest of your so called a God ever claimed to live before creation?

Not only this, Jesus demanded the same Honor given to the Father. John 5:23

According to Watchtower one of the ways you honor Jehovah is by worshipping Him.

You claimed you're the only one who obey the commandments of Jesus, why do you reject this command from Jesus?

Lastly, Apostle Paul recorded that ALL BELIEVERS together with those in Corinth pray to Jesus by CALLING ON JESUS' NAME.

"to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones, together with all those everywhere who are calling on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: - 1 Corin 1:2 NWT

How many of your so called a God people are praying to?

Not to even talk about being call Alpha and Omega, The first and the Last, The beginning and The ending, The Living one, Eternal Life e.t.c

DeepSight:
This JimRohn has disciplined and disgraced you.

What did you mean by this?

Maximus692:
You haven't quote where the Bible said it's an angel that's speaking in those verses!

So you agree that it was actually Jehovah who visited Abraham yet believe that no one has seen God

When your confusion is confusing

Janosky:

Is king James Bible Dictionary written by the Watchtower?


Your claim Off point . Off key.
WAILING & moaning
Oga, Stop deceiving yourself.

What an incoherent thing.

What correlation does my post has with KJV rubbish you posted?

Janosky:
Did Emusan A.I screenshot proved that "Jesus Christ is the first born of every creature in THE SENSE OF BEING THE FIRST TO BE BORN OR CREATED"?
Yes ooooo.
Screenshot evidence.

This lying liar said "AI PROVED"

O ma se oooo

This is seriously ridiculous.

You're still twisting something very obvious like this.

The AI explained the phrase "The firstborn of every creature"

Then concluded that phrase is accurate for Jesus being preeminence OVER ALL CREATIONS which means Jesus is the Creator.

Kai your case is so so pathetic.

Is Every FIrst born in the Universe SUPREME & preeminent over ALL his siblings?
Yes ooooo.
Jesus Christ the first born of God's children is no exception.
Oga, use the brain God gave you.
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You don't even know the meaning of preeminence, if not you won't be this ridiculous.

Julia25:
why should such simple things stomp seemingly educated persons ? May God have mercy, this delusion is strong

The evidence is so glaring.

When he started that madness I thought he was just been sarcastic.

But as he kept on hammering on it of recent again, I've to step in to expose his delusions.

I don't know how someone will read a plain text like that and decided to twist it to his own favor.

That shows you their attitude towards God's word. Everything must be read in accordance to Watchtower doctrine.