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And you should be able to discern politically motivated propaganda.

So it politically motivated propaganda but we see this being playing out in our own korokoro eyes.

I stay in the north and I have heard many teachings against Christians in an open place like market, parks e.t.c from Imams

Are you saying there's no GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN in Nigeria?

I've spent month in Bokkos in Plateau State and my sister married from there.

Can you go to Bokko Market and say openly that Christians are not being killed?

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The current one probably thinks otherwise. i am certain most of the popular and revered pastors think otherwise. There has been years of deadly insecurity, no doubt. But the claims that it is only targeted at Christians is either misguided or misleading.
Those criminals have razed cities, villages, farms, buses, markets, etc for years without asking if you know Jesus or not. It has had very very little to do with religion, but more to do with money, land grabbing, and political negligence.

You people are just so dishonest not that this is even coming from someone who claimed to be a follower of Christ.

because you people in APC want to change the narration, you decided to twist what people are challenging.

Where did you see people saying ONLY CHRISTIANS are being TARGETED?

What people have been saying is that, there's a GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN in Nigeria.

Can you deny this?

Even Tinubu you're dancing for today, once acknowledged the fact that Christians are being killed.

I challenge you to provide anywhere Tinubu talked about another group being killed before.

MetalJigsaw:
Don't pretend you can't comprehend a simple English sentence

What's the difference in all these verses? testify/ bear witnesses all mean the same. You have no point.

Don't let him gaslight you about 1 John 5:7.

The truth of that has been stated many times just that they don't like the Truth.

Here is a LINK of a thread I created in 2020 about the said "Comma Johaneum"

See how all of them were just rambling, the thread even exposed their shallow understanding about Trinity and its history.

Janosky:
*1 Screenshot evidence
For instance,He is of Fresh Origin does NOT mean
He is of French ruler/principality/authority.
Correct meaning : He is of French origin parentage ( ,in his case, Jesus is a creature of God his Father).

Just look at this wack interpretation.

Not only fresh

At least you can't deny the word ORIGIN from that verse which means John wasn't talking about Jesus being the first created being but SOURCE/RULER/AUTHORITY (which ever meaning you decided to go with of ALL CREATION.

*2. Oga,the Universe is a part (subset ) of Creation.

Yes! That is why Jesus can't be a creature because Universe is the whole creation from beginning to end and since you also agreed that Jesus is created the Universe. That gave us a good point.

Oga,Stop deceiving yourself.
Revelation 3:12,14 in your Bible.

Are you saying Jehovah didn't use Jesus to CREATE THE UNIVERSE?

Can Jesus still be PART of what He was used to create?

Janosky:
1 Cor 2:10 For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So too, no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God" Stop deceiving yourself

@ 1 Corinthians 2:11,is the man's spirit a person ?

Yes!

Only A PERSON have the ability of KNOWING.

Emusan,where did you import the word "MIND" you ADDED to 1 Corinthians 2:11?

From Watchtower as Watchtower imported several words into their translation.

Janosky:
Is "MIND" in the Greek manuscript of 1 Cor 2:11?

Oga, stop deceiving yourself .

Changing mouth won't help you.

The fact that The HOLY SPIRIT "KNOWS" proves The Holy Spirit is a person.

MetalJigsaw:
Where did he say ancestor? . You're threading on dangerous waters, bro. Don't attract a permanent curse from God.

"Whatever the father does the son does likewise"- Jesus is clearly referring to his father in heaven.

He's simply saying he cannot work separately from the father, him and the father are in perfect unity so they work together.


@ steep , Emusan come and see this😮

Just imagine the nonsensical talk.

Ancestor for heaven

Janosky:
You teach and practice tithing as you teach and practice Trinity.

Uwha azagha

Still repeating the same ignorance

If it's Nigeria, APC supporters would've written 101 reasons why the stadium and World Cup will improve their economy when in reality, this will never add 1% to the economy and over 90% of the citizens won't benefit a dime from it.

But if that $2B is well utilized more than 30% of the citizens will benefit from it.

Hussein27:
I was a Christian evangelist, before accepting Islam in 2014, I can tell you don't really understand what you mean by certainty, how will you accept Jesus who pray and cry to God for salvation from death as said in Hebrew 5 vs 7, yet you still accept he's the same God he's calling himself?

This alone shows you don't understand anything about Jesus being God.

Jesus cried to the Father not to Himself.

The Father
Jesus
Holy Spirit

These Three are UNCREATED & ETERNAL that is why they are God NOTE not Gods.

He was said to say "Eli Eli lamatchtabatani" my God my God! Why have thou forsaken me

That was when He was on earth as human for salvation of the whole world.

Yet you believe he's still God?

Yes! Jesus is God.

He even said "He that sent me is greater than I"

Sure because He The Father is greater than Him when He became Human.

Yet you believe he is God

Yes! JESUS is God

He even said "I was SENT to the lost sheep of the house if Israel"

Of course, because Israel has been the God's chosen people and the promise made to their forefathers must be fulfilled.

Yet you believe he is God

Yes! Jesus is God Almighty.

He said in John 5 vs 30 "All these I do, not by my power, but by the power of he that sent me, I speak and I judge and my judgement is just, not because am seeking my will but the will of he who SENT me"

Absolutely because He didn't come to earth as God but as a dying lamb to take away the sin of the world.

Yet you claim he's God

Yes! Jesus is God and Creator of ALL CREATION.

He also said in John 17 vs 3 "And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."

Yes! His mission on earth is for the whole world to know the ONLY TRUE GOD and gain eternal life through His redemption works.

This is a clear statement from Jesus, he made a clear distinction between the one true God and himself who was sent by that God, yet the Christians who see themselves as the all wise, still want us to believe that Jesus is God

If you read that statement of Jesus further without being bias in your reading

"I brought glory to you here on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

Can you see Jesus saying He shared GLORY with the Father before the World began?

What do you understand by this?

In fact one told me that "Jesus is an humble God, he doesn't like to show himself"

Jesus own statement supports this throughout the scripture.

So Jesus is the God that Father Abraham worshiped?
Noah Worship Jesus?
Moses Worship Jesus?
Elijah, Elisha, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Samuel, Elikanah, Haggai, Zachariah, Zephaniah, John the Baptist, Malachi, Habakkuk, Jonah, Samson, Solomon, Enoch, Aaron, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Abel and all of them, so you are saying they all worshiped Jesus Christ? Since Jesus is God according to you, and they all worship God, so They worship Jesus Abi?

Yes! because Jesus created them ALL
In fact, Jesus Himself said, "...before Abraham was, I AM" given the same tone of which Yahweh was known by the old testament.

*If confusion is a person, he would be a Christian*

That you're confused doesn't mean people around you are in the same level of your confusion.

Do you believe Jesus own statement that He shared GLORY with the Father before the World began?

Do you believe Jesus own statement when He said: "Before Abraham was, I Am"?

I believe in Jesus Christ just as he declare himself, he was sent by God and anyone sent is automatically a messenger, and he also prophesized based on revelations from God, and anyone who prophesized based on revelations is called a prophet

So you're selective in whom Jesus declared Himself to be.

That's nice

Thus by default Jesus is a prophet and messenger of God! Sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel as he himself affirms

Jesus is everything that is why the blessed Apostle Paul said "So that He(Jesus) must be FIRST in everything"

Janosky:
Oga,you have nothing to expose.
Did Holy spirit does not know the mind of Jehovah about Matthew 24:36?

Emusan,yes or no?

You didn't answer my question because your lying mouth will be exposed but have the audacity to go ahead to throw question.

Here is 1 Corin 2:11 "...and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit."

Was this scripture wrong?

Did Holy Spirit not know the MIND OF JEHOVAH?

Janosky:
Oga,show us which book & chapter in your Bible revealed the identity of the serpent & the one who defeated the serpent of Genesis 3:15 written in your bible?

E dey your Bible,only diligent Bible students know it.

Since you know this, so what is your point that Jesus didn't teach & practice Trinity?

Can you see the reason for that your name now?

Janosky:
Oga no know the answer.
Simple question for you:
Oga, did Jesus Christ teach & practice Trinity?

Trinity isn't a PRACTICE.

Olodo....

Janosky:
John 18:37,Jesus did come to the earth to teach the truth & NEVER taught Trinity.

Trinity is not a TEACHING, stop exposing your ignorance.

Trinity is the truth from God's word that the Father, the Jesus & Holy Spirit are THE ONE TRUE GOD.

His God is One person not true persons, Matthew 4:10 ,Mark 12:29.

The Father is God
Jesus is God
Holy Spirit is God.

One God THREE persons.

Janosky:
Matt 24:36,Jesus said nobody in heaven knows , but ONLY the Father.
Holy spirit is not a being in heaven or anywhere.
@ Matt 24:36,did Jesus say holy spirit is a being in heaven ?
Not at all !!!

Holy Spirit knows the MIND of Jehovah, yes or no?

Why is this simple question so hard for you to answer because you know your lying mouth will be exposed

The number one thing is my personal encounter I had with God.

Other aspect is science.

Yahweh is a miracle worker.

Whoever that doesn't believe in miracle never knows the Great Yahweh.

Janosky:
Martin Luther , your fellow believer knew.
Baptist pastor Charles Spurgeon knew.
A host of other Trinitarians knew too.
Who is the seed of Genesis 3:15 that defeated the serpent of Genesis 3:15?
John the apostle revealed their identities @ Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8.
Daniel the prophet @ Daniel 12:1 (very very clear if you have discernment ) was given the prophecy because @ Daniel 2:19-23 he praised Jehovah the God of Revelation
This knowledge is for diligent Bible students.

Show us where it is written that Jesus is Angel Michael.

If Martin Luther can know without going back and forth on Jesus identity.


How come Watchtower keeps confusing on the identity of who Angel Michael is?

Janosky:
Did Jesus in your Bible teach or practice Trinity?

Oga, have a great weekend .

Olodo... Trinity isn't a PRACTICE but revelation about the NATURE OF THE TRUE GOD.

God's word revealed the truth about Trinity.

The Bible revealed that The Father is UNCREATED and eternal.

The World who became flesh and known as Jesus is UNCREATED and eternal.

The HOLY SPIRIT is UNCREATED and eternal.

These Three Persons have one unique NAME!

Janosky:
Is Jesus Christ a Trinitarian?

This is a very ridiculous question.

It's like asking if Jesus is a Christian or if Jesus believes in Bible or if Jesus attended Kingdom Hall of Jehovah Witness.

Jesus Christ didn't teach anything about that man made dogma

because Trinity isn't what Jesus came to earth for.

God's word revealed the truth about Trinity.

gohf:
this is a typical example of how you respond to simple questions

"Did Moses record that in the beginning God first created the heavens and the earth or did you read that the first thing God created was the heavens and the earth?"

What is your point here?

gohf:
Repent from misleading others into error

You can point out the misleading/error in my post.

Heb.1.2 but in these last days HE(GOD) has spoken to us by his Son, whom HE appointed heir of all things, and THROUGH whom HE(GOD) made the universe. (NIV)

So, was the Son not there BEFORE UNIVERSE was created according to this verse?

Jesus said remove the log from your own eyes first

Which log?

gohf:
what was the word of God doing? The word of God was being used by God to create just as stated in the Bible.

Good!

Which means The Word of God is also ETERNAL as God Himself.

So is the Word of God CREATED?

gohf:
lol so if to you misquoting rev3:14 Jesus is the source of all creation what then is Father God?

I misquote Rev 3:14 ke

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the Source of Creation.

Rev.3.14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.

The point here is that Rev 3:14 doesn't mean Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING. As the translation you provided put it. Jesus is the RULER of God's creation which reinforced my point.

I know you won't answer just like you avoided the question if firstborn means ruler then is God also a firstborn

No word used in the Bible has its origin from me.

The word translated as FIRSTBORN in Col 1:15 has its meaning you can check it and provide where the word means FIRST CREATED.

That's simple.

Janosky:
Matthew 24:36, we know the mind of Christ

Christ doesn't know the mind of God.

But Holy Spirit knows the MIND OF JEHOVAH.

True or False?

Christ received that holy spirit.
You that received the same holy spirit that knows the mind of God.

What is he saying here....just disjointed words

The HOLY SPIRIT knows the MIND OF JEHOVAH.

That's the point.

Oga,do you know the mind of God?

No!

Does Holy Spirit know the MIND OF JEHOVAH?

Yes/No

Oga, go & study your Bible @Genesis 22;16 & Hebrew 6:13.

If I didn't study my Bible I won't be able to destroy your lies.

Do you study your own Bible?

Pls stop deceiving yourself.

Who is deceiving you?

Janosky:
No sir.
Jesus is archangel Michael, Martin Luther your reformist mentor knew that.
Jesus is the angel of the LORD Yahweh.

Jesus the Creator of ALL THINGS

Show me one single verse where Michael created anything.

That means Martin Luther has the truth.

Wonderful.

Jesus is the Arkhe (Greek746 & Greek 1078) "Beginning ,Origin of the creation by God.

Greek 747 Originator is NOT @ Revelation 3:14,Jesus is NOT originator...

Just see how you shot yourself in the leg.
As you can't refute the meaning of the word Arché being ORIGIN you have to find a way to lie to yourself.

ORIGINATOR is from the word ORIGIN.

So, Rev 3:14 proves Jesus is The ORIGIN/SOURCE OF ALL CREATIONS.

Revelation 3:14 is NOT Acts 5:31,Hebrew 2:10.
Screenshot evidence.

Keep jumping from verse to another.

Rev 3:14, Heb 1:2 & John 1:3 all point to Jesus as the CREATOR of ALL THINGS including Michael your god.

Emusan, stop deceiving yourself.

Who is deceiving you?

Janosky:
Oga,Is holy spirit Jesus?
No.

At least you answered the question by yourself.

You don't understand Corinthians 2:11 until you study 1 Corinthians 2:12.

This is 1 Corin 2:12 "And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us."

So, tell me how this negate that The HOLY SPIRIT doesn't KNOW the Mind of God.

What did Jesus teach you at Matthew 24:26?
Jesus said:
"No one (Greek lexicon 3762,Oudeis meaning nothing,no person) knows the day nor the hour but only (Greek 3441 monos,meaning single, solitary) the Father knows.
You pretend as if you know spiritual matters more than Jesus.

So the Bible is wrong in 1 Corin 2:11 or it doesn't align with your doctrine?

@ Hebrew 6:13, did Jesus & holy spirit swear alongside God Almighty Yahweh ?
No.

Where did Yahweh appear in that Hen 6;13?

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

Then who is deceiving you?

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 2:16

"For who has known the mind of THE LORD JEHOVAH that he may teach him? But we do have the mind of (Christ) The Messiah".


Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

But Holy Spirit knows the MIND of The Lord Jehovah.

That is a proof that The HOLY SPIRIT is a person and fully God. 1 Corin 2:11

Janosky:
Arkhe @ Genesis 1:1 @ Job 40:19, @ Revelation 3;14, @Mark 13:19, @Mark 10:6.@ Mark 1:1.,Greek 746 Arkhe is Beginning NOT Originator.

Those who don't love the Bible truth espoused in the biblehub screenshot of the Greek word for word translation of Revelation 3:14.

Oga,stop deceiving yourself.

You haven't proved that Arché isn't ORIGIN

Very funny reason why you couldn't provide the same screenshot from Biblehub

Well let me help you.

So, Rev 3:14 Jesus is the ORIGIN/SOURCE of all CREATIONS.

Jesus created Micheal your god

Janosky:
John 1:3. NLT,Trinitarian translation.
"God CREATED EVERYTHING through him (Jesus)."

Hebrew 1:2,
" God CREATED the universe NOT his son Jesus"

The Greek word DIA (THROUGH) meaning Instrumentality.

"THROUGH" is the word you are giving a very wrong meaning to deceive yourself.
Emusan stop deceiving yourself.

Which means Jesus was there and played critical role when UNIVERSE was being created.

Jesus is the Creator then.