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budaatum:
The JW founders,

To my best knowledge, there is only one founder which is Russell

Emusan, which can be a few individuals and is definitely not the whole body

Now, you're talking! That's what the op implied.

as MaxInDHouse is making you aware

How?

because if it meant the whole JW body, he'd be a Mason too which he obviously isn't!

Then can you see you're just beating around the bush?

Also, the op specifically mentioned the governing body which means, he didn't mean the whole body, so why would you Budaatum change the narration to the whole body?

Fact is, despite the symbols, one can't help note how utterly ignorant "they" JWs are about Freemasonry.

At least you can't deny the symbols but just so unfortunate that you think a full grown up men putting on different symbols of a cult and they don't know exactly what they're doing.

That will be the height of dishonesty on your part.

budaatum:
They used symbols that Freemasons also use, but that does not mean a "tie", and anyone who knows about Freemasons would easily know no tie exists.

Who are the "THEY" in your post?

The whole JWs body or some individuals

As for good English, do I need to tell you to go back to school to be a "good student of English", since you claimed the op was asking "Are Jehovah witness tied to Freemasons", or are you now just being dishonest in claiming the op meant individuals?

If you ask me to go back to school, there's no offense in that.

If the OP doesn't mean individual, he won't post videos or pictures of individuals who are linked to Freemasons.

Or can you show us where the op post a video or picture that depicts the WHOLE OF JWS as a Freemason?

budaatum:
Are you now claiming the op's subject matter is no more "Are Jehovah witness tied to Freemasons", which is what the op has been trying to convince you of in every post here, Emusan?

The subject matter still remains the same which I've clarified above.

In fact, is that not what you are here claiming,

I don't understand what you mean by I am here claiming something because I don't know what I've claimed here.

or is it your claim that individual JWs may be Freemasons

I didn't claim anything here but just explaining what the OP posts are all about which I think you misunderstood him.

So my point is according to the OP some individuals especially key people in JWs are Freemason not the WHOLE of JWs

and there's really no tie between the association's?

I don't understand you here!

budaatum:
Yes, you are missing quite a lot here, and you are missing it intentionally, which is just dishonest of you!

Well if you see it that way

If a JW is a freemason, would you therefore claim "Jehovah witness tied to Freemasons", as you claimed the op was asking as his subject matter?

I won't! But I think the op choice of word is because SOME SO CALLED GOVERNING BODY and the founder have something to do with Freemason and spread throughout the OP posts, only dishonest person won't see that from his posts.

Truth is the op is tying JWs to Freemasons, and "tied" implies much more than "a JWs can be a Freemason", and in fact, a JW touting a tie with Freemason would likely be de-JWed, and a Mason wouldn't do religion for risk of being deFreemasoned.

Well if that's how you understand the OP but a good student of English will beg to differ.

Now, how I wish you two could continue this without mentioning buda so many times in your posts!

Well he brought you into this not me.

budaatum:
If you go through the ops posts you'd see he's making connections about more than individuals where none exist

I didn't see that from the OP, the OP post are about some individuals of JWs

and even lies that connections exist in videos that show no connection whatsoever.

When you didn't even watch the video.

Connection of individuals or the whole JWs?

In fact, JW and Freemasonry ideologically oppose each other, and going by what I'm learning about JWs, required loyalty to JW would stop a JW being a Mason.

This is just entirely different from the op point of view.

But I think I understand what you are doing here.

No! You don't!

It suits you to think JW and Freemasonry are in cahoots.

If I do, I'll be post link or videos of that which I didn't. When I quoted MaxinDHouse, it's not about JWs and Freemason but the way he used the word "Christian". So stop assuming!

Bet they both worship Baphomet too, according to you.

You can point to where I say this.

Also the OP point is on individual not the whole JWs

budaatum:
Emusan, with all due respect, I do not expect nor want you to believe me. Just go find out about Freemasons yourself and see if JW could possibly qualify to be a lodge.

The OP never said JWS as a BODY but some individuals within the organization, why did you misconstrue OP point here?

That's not to say individual members can't be Freemasons,

But this is what the OP is emphasizing on.

mind, just JW likes to have more control over their members than the freedom of mind required to be a mason.

I can't see where the OP ever says the whole JWs are Freemason, how did you arrive at that?

You put JWs in the Garden of Eden and they'd never ever eat the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which is the only fruit masons will eat in the same garden because ignorance does not teach one to be enter an apprenticship to become a masonry.

With what I understand from your post and that of the OP, you didn't deny a JWs can be a Freemason neither do the OP claiming ALL JWS are Freemasons which means to some extent if not all the OP assertion here might be correct.

Or am I missing something here?

MaxInDHouse:
At last you proved to be the fool that you've always been!

Thanks for that!

If anyone can be a freemason then it means freemason is not the property of any religion so any religionist may choose to join the freemason (independently of his religion)

So where did the OP say Freemasons is the property of Jehovah witness?

so budaatum is saying the OP shouldn't tie that cult to any specific religion because it's a group that anyone can join.

It's evident your lack simple comprehension, the OP didn't say Freemasons belong to Jws

"tie to"
tie (one) to (something)
To connect or associate one with some situation, event, or circumstance.
The investigators have uncovered paperwork that ties the suspect to the money laundering scheme.

I think the op point here is INDIVIDUAL JWS with Freemason which is evident from all his posts.

Do you get it now?

Do you understand basic English?

budaatum:
budaatum does not need to spend time "dismissing all the evidences the OP put forth" because anyone with a brain will easily find through a simple search that the op is posting unverified lies that have already been debunked and dismissed many times.

The best you can do is to provide the source where the OP unverified lies are debunked and dismissed.

You just don't say that without a link like how the op did.

budaatum:
And the answer is, JWs are insufficiently knowledgeable to be tied to Freemasons.

Says you the founder of Freemasons

But if you happen to know different do please inform us.

The OP already did that

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're back on track, if you don't know anything about freemason how can you know if the OP and his friend are just making blind comparisons?

Stop attaching "intelligence" to your officer because it doesn't worth it

I didn't say I don't know anything about Freemasons but I'm not here for Freemasons, how is that so hard for you to comprehend?

Fake intelligent officer
It's probably you're dismissed from your military work because your intelligence is too low for such profession

That's where budaatum's comments comes in.
You don't know anything about freemason so you need someone who is neutral to shed light on the subject otherwise it's whatever the OP and his cohorts spew that you'll swallow hook line and sinker!

I'm just laughing at your ignorance about Budaatum post, Budaatum post isn't dismissing all the evidences the OP put forth in fact, carefully examine Budaatum statement you'll see where he said "That is however not to say individual JWs can not be Freemasons, but we don't do religion in the Lodge."

If you understand this statement very well, then you won't be using Budaatum as your yardstick.

Learn....

MaxInDHouse:
OK you're not here to know about freemason but initially you said:

Where did you see KNOW in my post

You can't just stop displaying this character of your father the devil

What matter exactly?

I know you lack simple comprehension and need to be spoonfeed.

Now we're back to my early post.
The subject matter is "Are Jehovah witness tied to Freemasons?"

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i said you're not here to SEE what people that know about freemason are saying.

But that's what I actually saw

If you know about freemason, go ahead and speak but if not then learn from others.

Which I did, do you?

But instead you're running from thread to thread just to join criticism against Jehovah's Witnesses,

See the person who is having sleepless night on Nairaland by jumping from thread to thread

So you even know JWs have critics but are you also a critic of anyone?

that's what makes budaatum better than you,

Thanks the judge, at least you can't deny that Budaatum is your yardstick now

because she's for the truth and not just hypocritical with her findings.

Now your mouth has uttered this that Budaatum is FOR THE TRUTH, that means not only you have the truth

So Emusan i want to believe neither the OP or budaatum is your yardstick so what do you have to say or what do you know about FREEMASON?

To you Budaatum is your yardstick and for me I'm not here for Freemasons

MaxInDHouse:
budaatum has cleared the air that OP is LYING!

That's why I said earlier that Budaatum is your yardstick

Can you see you're not that intelligent?

MaxInDHouse:
I don't know anything about freemason

You don't know anything but you're parading in this thread even bringing irrelevant post to deviate from the OP

Well if you don't know anything about Freemasons, this thread is enlighten enough

so for you to have quoted me means you're not truly looking for what people will say about the topic of discussion!

If you're very intelligent as you usually claim, you'll know I didn't quote you based on topic of discussion but your by force attachee to name "CHRISTIAN" you and your organization claimed to be polluted and hated by Jehovah

I personally don't have any business with you

And I don't remember giving you any contract agreement to sign, or do I?

so it's been you always running after me even when you know i don't have any idea on what you're quoting me for!

How will you know what I quoted you for when you're not that intelligent?

I asked you about Ukraine to give you something to talk about because i know you just quoted me purposelessly!

Twisted lying liar mouth

Barristter07:
I already answered you.

Where

You probably have Comprehension issues,

Says the person who just said I shifted to "Majority" when I've used 99%, 99.9% of JWs long ago.

and I can see you got the point when you shift to " Majority ".

That means you're the one who lack simple comprehension because my post has been about majority, I even used 99.9% of JWs somewhere.

So far you have nothing to offer on this issue just ranting.

MaxInDHouse:
You said you're here to SEE what people will say about freemason but instead of quoting those who are speaking about what they know you're busy running after JWs!

Now you confirm for yourself that, I didn't quote ONLY you

Copy that!

You discuss on different sections with different people on different topics but on the religion section only JWs and topics having to do with JWs interests you.
Well that's noteworthy.

Even your other brothers here know that I discussed with many people on religion section not ONLY JWs.

Just because you're a baby on Nairaland doesn't mean small background search should be difficult for you.

I have told you that i'm one of the followers of Jesus of Nazareth, the only topic that interests him is faith in God (religion)

How come you're asking me about Ukraine?

MaxInDHouse:
If you're truly hear here to SEE people's opinions on the topic then why quoting only me a JW?

You will never stop lying
So you're the ONLY one I quote on this thread

Much more for Mr intelligence

Why not quote people whose opinion you're here to SEE?

I did! It's like you forgot your glass

You're too old for childish lies nah!

So far, you're the liar here!
Then I can say you're too old for this ageless lies

How come it's only threads having to do with Jehovah's Witnesses that's your favorite yet JWs aren't your favorite group of all topics?

I have discussed with many people on this forum on different topics at different sections.

I'm not like you who have no life outside Nairaland and stuck on religion section only.

Emusan, i'll tell you the truth whether you like it or not, when JWs talks Intelligence follows that's why you're always looking for comments from JWs and not what people know about freemason!

That means you're not intelligent before you join JWs despite making mouth about being an intelligence officer.

Barristter07:
You answered that you know my stand, yet still commited the same error,

When it's obvious you're the one in wrong path here.

Was my post directed to you in the first place?

No! I was talking about WTBTS teaching that leads to her death

If the Jewish man can accept the help of a Samaritan many of whom are pagans, and Jesus was happy with the Samaritan, Who am I not to accept Assistance from anyone either tribe, people, Government, organization, gender, religion, race - that's willing to do so?

That is you and I can't remember when I said NO! JWs will ever refuse assistance or help from anyone but MAJORITY due to the teaching your organization infused in them.

Just as you'll never take blood based on your teaching, some JWs will go against that.

Didn't I also tell you I can even assist someone of LGBTQ orientation if am in the capacity and yes I can accept assistance from them if they offer ?

So was my post directed to Barristter07 in the first place?

My post is about the teaching of WTBTS.

Which is the reason why you can't answer my question, can you Barristter07 seek help or assistance from the body your organization called Harlot of Jerusalem & Babylonian the great?

Without giving a straight forward answer to this question means you're just ranting.

MaxInDHouse:
OK i get it now, you are here for Jehovah's Witnesses as usual.

No! I'm here to see people's opinions on the subject matter

Tell them what you feel about your favourite group of all topics: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

When did I tell you I have a favorite group

MaxInDHouse:
What do you know about the Freemason?

I'm not here because of Freemasons

Do have problem with that?

Barristter07:
This is Barristter07 , not any organization

So was my post directed to Barristter07 before?

I already told you my stand.

I know but my post is what WTBTS teaches

I agree with Jesus that I can assist anyone and anyone can assist me

But your organization has different opinion on that

do you know the meaning of ANYONE, Even an LGBTQ member

I know which still bring us back to my initial question, can you Barristter07 seek help or assistance from a body your organization called "The Harlot of Jerusalem or Babylonian the great"?

What's your obsession with what some people will do?

I have no obsession on what anybody will do but my point on this thread when I saw your fellow JWs blaming the girl for what she did rather than blaming the teaching she received, is that most Jehovah witness will do the same thing that this girl did.

Which is the reason why none of you ever answer my question.

Barristter07:
That inhumane behavior is a choice, God didn't make them that way.

But the story of Samaritan isn't about choice, which is my initial stand.

I agree with Jesus too, I can assist anyone and anyone can assist me. That has been my stand , Not what some people will do or or say. That's their choices to make .

See this one.....

Now you can't answer my question in a straight face

Since I've been asking that question, no JWs have been able to answer in Yes or No! Yet you're all condemning the girl instead of speaking against the teaching she received.

But that's what your organization will do or say, which is a perfect example of what happened to this girl.

If your organization hadn't labelled Catholic/other denominations all sort of names to receive assistant or help from them won't be difficult for any JWs.

You're just here chasing nothing.

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's the topic of discussion!

That's not the topic of discussion, if not you won't be here!

The topic is "Are Jehovah witness tied to Freemasons"

MaxInDHouse:
Let's hear what you know about freemason

I'm not here because of Freemasons

budaatum has said a lot so that's what the thread is all about

Budaatum is now your yard stick

not your usual nonsense and ingredients!

Yet you always listen to the usual nonsense and ingredients

Barristter07:
Calm down, inhumane by choice or Created that way by God ?

Are you up before?

What they did is called inhumane.

No two ways about that

Jesus said in the story of Good Samaritan that we can help anyone, and anyone can help us irrespective of tribe or religion, Do you agree with Jesus or what you think some people would do?

I agree with Jesus!
But your organization don't teach such

Now my question, can you get assistance from a body your organization always refers to as harlot of Jerusalem or Babylonian the great?

MaxInDHouse:

The last time I checked you said you're the real trouble maker

MaxInDHouse:
You're welcome from anywhere you have come.

Thanks!

I don't have your time!

Did I beg for your time in the first place?

MaxInDHouse:
You're welcome from Ukraine.
How's the war going?

What is Ukraine?

War of Armageddon or which one?

Janosky:
Jehovah will not use your imperfect thinking to judge them.
Eli the Priest & Samuel the prophet had disobedient children, different outcomes.
Go & learn from your Bible or continue DECEIVING yourself.

But they are pagan

At least you can see that JWs has connection with paganism

Matthew 7:5
"Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye"
Matthew 7:5 Jesus Christ spoke about "rafters and straw".
Emusan where is your"kingpost" in Matthew 7:5?

Olodo....
Rafter is one of the members of ROOF structure

But Kingpost is the main even the name says it all and bigger than Rafter.... Engineer is talking here

Learn...

What !!!
Emusan incompetence and quackery

The professional quack is removing the kingpost holding his triangle shaped roof in place while Jesus Christ is teaching about "rafters and straw in the eyes".

Building collapse everywhere.
E get why?.

And you as professional will remove Rafter and building won't collapse

Janosky:
Courz, you dey kolo
Depressed confused kid!
Go consult a Psychologist.

Just because your organization is being exposed that's why you're so bitter like this

Janosky:
Emusan hypocrite

What was Emusan doing on 31st July 2021 @10:06pm?
Is Seun Osewa your atheist pastor/ mentor?

So you mean I use atheists materials to debunk a Bible doctrine on that thread

O ma se oooo

You have lost it totally

Janosky:
JWs have no connection to paganism

What of Russell and his pagan team

whereas Emusan worships 3 deities & his Cross , even kiss it.

The same thing Russell and his pagan team did

Which one be kingpost?

That's the central member that holds your Roof which is bigger and more important that Rafter...

Learn.....

Emusan don kolo

Just because I'm exposing your fraudulent organization, no problem I'm used to your name calling