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achorladey:
Nothing changes the facts that JWs are Christians

Oh that conversation with one of your brother in Jehovah. Una still dey drag cursed and bastardized name with other religious denominations

I'm wondering oooo

You said a name has been corrupted and Jehovah gave another one yet still dragging the same corrupted name with us

Emphasis on any other version including New World translation of the Holy scriptures . As it were KJV is corrupt, NWT is corrupt. Na same of same

The same thing I just to him

cornelboy:
Lol. Your friend kolade would say this is a public forum

So how does this relate with my post?

Lol Satan is a JW/Christian now right?

Na you talk am

[uote]I'm a JW and also a Christian.[/quote]But the name CHRISTIANITY has been corrupted, why are you still the same thing Jehovah hate before giving the new name?

That's how those 8 men in Brooklyn can make one confused

Nothing changes the facts that JWs are Christians.

I'm not the one who claimed the name CHRISTIANITY has been corrupted and Jehovah gave another new name your organization did.

So you still claiming to be Christian is what I don't know, at least leave us with the corrupted name nah what is this attachee by force

Being worshipped is not the criterion for being God.

So why do they worship Jesus then? You forgot the main point

We have one God the Father. Even the olubadan of Ibadan is being worshipped everyday.

But Paul, Peter and Early Christians worshipped Jesus which means they know about Trinity

Jesus was begotten i.e created in God's image.

You're not the first that will say that

KJV is the corrupted version of the Bible

Then both NWT and KJV are corrupted then

cornelboy:
So what's your point gangan?

My points are that:

1. if only the meek will inherit the earth, that means people who will inherit the heaven are not MEEK?

2. If only those who are PURE IN HEART will see God, it means those who will inherit the earth are not PURE IN HEART.

3. If only those who are poor in spirit will inherit heaven, that means people who will inherit earth are not poor in spirit

4. If only those who are persecuted for righteousness sake will inherit heaven, you people lied that millions of JW are being persecuted for their beliefs.

Do you understand?

cornelboy:
Emusan Sorry did you mean Satan is a JW that's why we have the same believe?

You read it well.

If you still don't understand my post, wake up very early in the morning to reread it again.

Or I should just take you as someone that doesn't believe in God and the Bible?

Whatever rocks your boat

cornelboy:
Of course I do that's why I advised you to do the same.

Then it is settled

You have brain na. You should add the sense yourself

That means you don't have sense then

cornelboy:
Sorry help yourself

Then keep shut

Well my belief ain't like Satan belief. Despite the fact that he was with Jehovah in heaven, he went ahead to rebel and sin against Him.

I believe in Jehovah and His son Jesus Christ and the promise of eternal life.

That's your own palaver, the Koko is that you believe in Bible just the way Satan do. So to believe in Bible doesn't mean you have the truth

God's will, instructions, commandments and statues are all there in the Bible.

We know before you'll ever think of knowing that.

It's seems you don't know the meaning of Christ, Christian and Christianity.

Tell us!

Are you a Christian or JWs?

Well it's obvious that you don't follow them.
Only JWs follow Jehovah's words and commandments completely.

That's why I said, you're Jehovah Himself to have known this [center][/center]

JWs are the true Christians of today.

Says the same people who said the name CHRISTIANITY has been corrupted reason why Jehovah gave them another name.

So JWs are still the same TRUE corrupted NAME

A simple question for you;
Did Paul, Peter, the other apostles or the early church believe in trinity or one God the Father?

Yes! Reason why they worship Jesus and taught the eternal and uncreated being of the Holy Spirit

What did Jesus say about his Father in John 17:3?

You have it in your corrupted nwt, read it aloud please

cornelboy:
The beatitudes in Matthew 5 says that some will inherit the earth while some will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Let's look at the qualification for both heaven and earth in Matt 5

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

So not all JWs are poor in spirit

5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

Those who will inherit heaven they are not meek, I guess!

8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.

Since human can't see God and all believers won't be in heaven, then it means, people who will inherit earth are not pure in heart

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

If this is true, are millions of Jw not being persecuted today according to you people?

Adding this to people who are already qualified for heaven, that means 144,000 heavenly rulers will become millions corulers

haddeylium:
The Bible text had no punctuation marks as we know them today, so the translators into English are the ones who decide where to put quotation marks, dashes, commas, and fullstops/periods.

In Luke 23:43, some translators put the comma in the wrong place, changing the meaning of what Jesus was saying based on biased doctrines or might be a mistake.

Jesus was not saying “You will be with me today” because that day Jesus ended up in the grave, not in any Paradise.


Jesus meant he was promising the man “today”- that very day- that one day in the future that man would be resurrected to live in Paradise.

Putting the comma in the correct place (after the word “today”) correctly conveys what Jesus meant and is therefore the more accurate translation.

You people are very funny

So Jesus was lying to the man that, the man will be with him in Paradise when Jesus Himself won't be in the same Paradise but heaven

cornelboy:
It's good to think well before giving response.

Do you also think well?

I would advise you to do the same.

Your previous post was really senseless. You should add the sense to it yourself.

That's why I asked you to add sense to it, or are you without sense too

cornelboy:
Check it out yourself

Help me check it out

His believe is nothing. He's bound for destruction. He's doomed!

Just the way your believe is nothing, and bound for destruction with him as long as both of you hold the same belief

They've done a lot harm to true worship and Christianity

Are you Jehovah to have known that?

Also, what is your own about Christianity? Are you not JW

Jehovah words and commandments are all there in the Bible. If you can't see the truth, it's not my problem.

And it's the same Jehovah words and commands we're following as truth. So why can't you leave us and Jehovah? After all we are Christian and you're JW

cornelboy:
There's no sense in what you say.
Always try to think before you click submit

You Mr sense add sense to it.

I know you always over think before you press your own submit button

cornelboy:
The truth is no JW worship any 8 men.
The strictly worship only Jehovah the one true God!

If no jws worship no 8 men, you won't be here defending them

Janosky:
The Greek Orthodox church Screenshots says Jesus Christ is NOT God Almighty, Jesus is godlike, with divine nature.

It's Greek Orthodox Church this time

But there's nobody like God

John 17:21
That they all shall be one, just as you, my Father, are in me, and I am in you, so that they also shall be one in us"

Mr LIENUS, you see am?
Jesus says they (disciples) are one in us" (him & God). ALL of them na Trinity.

Your brain has started overheating, when it cools down reread my statement again

Emusan GIBBERISH

E pain am, worshipper of 8 Old men in Brooklyn

Creature called " Mastercraftsman" working beside God at his side.

So was Prov 8 about Jesus?

"MIGHTY GOD" meaning "EL", Hebrew language word for "GOD", referring to Yahweh, man, Angels etc.
Let Biblehub help you

So where was Moses called MIGHTY GOD?

Out of frustration, you just jumped into what is is bigger than you.

Oya....

cornelboy:
Lol I bet you don't know the dictionary meaning of originator.

You can tell me

I only believe what's in the Bible not pagan doctrines.

Even Devil himself believes what iss in the Bible

What's the essence of having the Bible with them and doing what's contrary to God's TRUTH?

So why do you bothering yourself about them?

Are you Jehovah to have known they do contrary to His truth?

cornelboy:
You asked:
My reply:

You still went ahead and said;

When I already explained that Jesus completely left heaven.

What are you displaying here?

If Jesus completely left heaven, it means he retained that form he was created with. Do you disagree?

I also asked;
Who's the word?

Your replied:

You still later said:

Who's the word, who's Jesus?

John 17:24
[24]Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

The "word" is a title used for Jesus by John.
Jesus was called the word and the word is Jesus.

What are you still displaying here?

The Word is His name before he became human that is what John was talking about

Learn

Make I just stop here.

I'll stop responding you of you don't say something reasonable. I don tire abeg.

You don't need to say it

MaxInDHouse:
If you're seeing it please point it out to me!

I have already shown you earlier but you switch off they socket

Here it is again:

CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

ERV: He was like God in every way, but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit.

EHV: Though he was by nature God, he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed,

GW: Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality

MSG: He had equal status with God but didn’t think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what.

NIRV: In his very nature he was God. Jesus was equal with God. But Jesus didn’t take advantage of that fact.

OJB: Who, though existing in the demut of the mode of being of Elohim [His etzem or essential nature, Yn 1:1-2; 17:5], nevertheless Moshiach did not regard being equal with G-d as a thing to be seized [BERESHIS 3:5] Phil 2:6

NNTR:
Luke 18:27
'Jesus replied,
“What is impossible with man, is possible with God.”'

Is it something too hard for God to do?
Is it impossible for God to send Himself by carrying out a Do It Yourself project, in other words, DIY?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

They will agree there's nothing difficult for God to do but in other word it's too difficult for their God to come down to earth and still remains in heaven.

When even both heavens and earth can't contain the same God.

I once asked one JWs that is it possible for God to appear in all 36 states of Nigeria at the same time?

He couldn't answer.

MaxInDHouse:
To me you're also WRONG.

That wisdom in Prov 8 is Jesus or not

Or how am I wrong?

So it's simply my conclusion against yours,

No! It's simply your conclusion against the scripture.

Do you agree Prov 8 is about Jesus?

that is why we need to go for something different from all these arguments which is the FRUIT as in the BENEFIT of your theory among the adherents! Matthew 7:16-18

Of course the fruits and the benefits can be seen everywhere unless you decided to blindfold your eyes about it.

Janosky:
Janosky post:
"God MADE the universe , NOT his Son.
Creation through his son... Colossians 1:16.
The same message in Hebrew 1:2.

Mr LIENUS which sentence of John 1:1 you put "is"?
Where your "is" dey John 1:1?

The Word is God.....let it keep paining you

Yes!
Definitely!
Do you know why?
I love Bible Versions that use God's name.
Catholic Jerusalem Bible is one of them.
The Catholic Church Jerusalem Bible knows that Psalms 45:6-7 is the authentic copy of Hebrews 1:8.

Waooooooo your elder must hear this.

But the same Catholic Jerusalem Bible

Says "The word was God"

Theos meaning "A god" is very luminously correct @ John 1:1.
Oga,go & quarrel with Greek language for disgrace to your Trinity GIBBERISH.
Ho Theos is the God Almighty everywhere in Greek language,99%.

Does Theos mean ONLY "A god" according to your own definition?

Lying liar JaNosense!

Janosky post:
"God MADE the universe , NOT his Son.
Creation through his son... Colossians 1:16.
The same message in Hebrew 1:2.

God made the Universe through his son.
Emphasis on "His", the Creator is a "His".
NOT Creators,Mr idol worshipper Polytheist.


Continue DECEIVING yourself, Mr 3 deities Polytheist.
This point in my previous response has exposed Mr LYING genius, check the time this Janosky post was on this thread.
Janosky post @ 10:22am, March 27th,2022:
"God MADE the universe , NOT his Son.
Creation through his son... Colossians 1:16.
The same message in Hebrew 1:2".

He has started spewing thrashes again.

cornelboy:
MaxinDhouse have you met and argue with a mad man before?

Name calling has started.....

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell there's nowhere it's written in the scriptures that Jesus is equal to God. Shey

But you just read Phillipian 2:6 where is was written boldly.

MaxInDHouse:
In the beginning WAS the Word:
This person i want to talk about existed in the beginning.

So he was not God at those time?

And the Word WAS with God:
He WAS with God during creation.

Why he was on earth, he was never with God bah yet Jesus says the Father is IN Him and always with Him

Continue your lie

And the word WAS God:
He later became God in the midst of Israel.

Liar even your 8 lying old men in Warwick will never say such

I concluded this way because Isaiah said the promised child will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

Your conclusion is wrong.

Jesus was never a counselor in the midst of mankind until he grew up among the Israelites so he served in all those capacities one after another.

Yet you'll agree that Prov 8 wisdom personification is Jesus.

Do you know what Prov entirely says about WISDOM?

You see the reason why I said your conclusion is wrong.

He first became a child, then grew up to be a Wonderful Counselor, due to the powerful works he became a Mighty God and after paying for obedient mankind with his blood he became the Everlasting Father of obedient mankind unlike Adam who is dead now! 1Corinthians 15:45

Jesus who was an angel and all angels and human are god still became MIGHTY GOD

So was Moses ever referred to as MIGHTY GOD?

So he was never God until he came to live in the midst of mankind and exhibit those qualities just as Moses was not a God until he God to Egypt!

Angels and human are all god, so how come Jesus who was an angel will later become MIGHTY GOD?

Does MIGHTY God different from god which angels and Human are said to be?

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where this is paraphrased in the scriptures?

Thanks in advance!

Nothing like paraphrase but direct word for word

But read this with your comprehension cap on your head

[b]CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

ERV: He was like God in every way, but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit.

EHV: Though he was by nature God, he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed,

GW: Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality

MSG: He had equal status with God but didn’t think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what.

NIRV: In his very nature he was God. Jesus was equal with God. But Jesus didn’t take advantage of that fact.

OJB: Who, though existing in the demut of the mode of being of Elohim [His etzem or essential nature, Yn 1:1-2; 17:5], nevertheless Moshiach did not regard being equal with G-d as a thing to be seized [BERESHIS 3:5] Phil 2:6

I have to bring many translations here for simple understanding of that verse.

MaxInDHouse:
John did not say "IS God" rather he wrote "Was God" which means the person in question WAS a God at a point in time just like Moses WAS God in Egypt!

The same John says "In the beginning WAS the word, the word WAS with God, and the word WAS God"

As a good English student, will you have rather put "IS" in the last sentence?

Even let's grant your ignorance of simple English.

At what point Jesus was a god

When he was in heaven?
When he became man?
When he resurrected?

MaxInDHouse:
It's according to the way you understand this.

Jesus was with God in the beginning.
Jesus existed long before we were all created.
Jesus participated in making all other things.
Jesus lived in heaven before coming to earth.

Not the way I understand it but what the scripture says.

But he himself said the father is greater than him {John 14:28} to me it means all what Jesus could be is due to the grace of God who made Jesus the first creature (first born of all creation)

We can say Jesus is the second highest BEING in the universe base on this yet how can such being ever be like Moses?

The truth is, if God has no match because he is the creator the person who co-created ALL OTHER THINGS can never have any match too

So if that same person later made Moses like a God it simply means both Jesus and Moses are no match for the one who gave them the authority they had.

The Bible says Jesus is equal to God,

Does Bible say the same about Moses?

The Bible says Jesus existed with the Father before anything was created

Does Bible say anything like that about Moses.

Jesus is no match to Moses even if we go with your claim that He was DIRECTLY CREATED BY GOD FIRST

Therefore it doesn't matter who came first or last between the two to me what really matters is that God used both of them at different point in time and they both direct all honor and glory to the one who sent them.

It matters that was the reason you can bring him low to the level of a mere Moses.

Jesus isn't even match to Abraham who is far greater than Moses in every respect.

So the same person made both of them what they are, that's why Jesus could say:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise" John 5:19

Your understanding of that verse is shallow, the Son can do nothing because He became part of creation.

To me both of them were made to be like God by the Almighty who gave them authority!

That's why I asked you, where was it stated in the scripture that Jesus was made to be LIKE GOD?

You decide to use that phrase "to be like god" not because you find it in the scripture but just to bring Him to Moses level.

Janosky:
Janosky post:
"God MADE the universe , NOT his Son.
Creation through his son... Colossians 1:16.
The same message in Hebrew 1:2.
The Son is agency of creation.

Why this Emusan too dey LIE?

What was JaNosense even saying here

You see "is" at John 1:1?
Emusan is wedded to LYING.

I said The word is God, do you have problem with that?

Shame on Emusan LYING genius.
Psalms 45:6-7,Jerusalem Bible is the official Bible of the Catholic Church who first taught you the Trinity GIBBERISH.

So do you take Jerusalem Bible as authentic translation?

JaNosense will change tune now

Theos "A god" is very authentic, genuine and authoritative rendition of the last sentence of John 1:1.
Ho Theos ("The God" Almighty) is NOT "a god."
The Word, his son is "a god."
Other sons are gods. John 10:35-36, Jesus knows that.

According to the definition you gave, was Theos only mean "A god"?

Lying liar JaNosense?

Oh I see !
Emusan is a confirmed Polytheist worshipping 2 or 3 GODS.

At least my God is 2 or 3 creator of the Universe but yours are 8 old lying men in Warwick

3 godheads worshippers no dey respect John 20:17.
Na John 20:17 Jesus Christ disgrace them.

Just as worshipper of 8 lying old men never respect Heb 1:2, Col 1:16-18

MaxInDHouse:
Who made Jesus a prophet and "God" like Moses? Deuteronomy 18:15-19

So where does the Bible say Jesus was MADE LIKE God?

Apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet that was sent in the manner of Moses! Act 3:22

That scripture didn't say, in the MANNER OF MOSES that was your own perversion.

Was universe created through Moses?
Was Moses existed before the creation of the world?
Was Moses had glory with the Father before anything was created?
Was Moses live in eternity with the Father long before God brought creation into being?

To even think Jesus is LIKE a god the same way Moses was made like a god to Pharaoh is so pathetic.

So if you don't agree then i'm not interested in blind arguments! Titus 3:9

So it's a must for him to agree with you first

Wonder shall never ends

cornelboy:
Most Christians (church goers)

This watchtower brainwashing effect is so real.

Why calling them Christians and not just your usual Churchgoers?

today from protestants churches and all other Christian denominations believe that Jesus is GOD and he's equal and the same as the Father.

It's the Bible that says Jesus is God and the Creator

@bold you mean Trinitarian also says Jesus is the Father? How long will you people stop lying for your god of men in Brooklyn?

If they are really right as they think they are, why do they find it hard to believe virgin Mary as the mother of GOD?

Ignorance won't allow you to learn, if you have different opinion to some doctrines but at least try to understand the point first, that's how an open-minded person does.

I'm not a Catholic but the understanding I have through Catholic explanation of Mary being mother of GOD isn't that Mary gave birth to the divine nature of The word that became flesh in person of Jesus Christ but in a sense that The word which is God in essence was made flesh through Mary.

The fact is, if indeed Jesus is God and he's the Father, there's no blasphemy in saying Mary is the mother of GOD.

Can you provide where Trinitarian ever claimed that Jesus is both God and the Father?

The Roman Catholic church is the originator of trinity and "Mary the mother of GOD" doctrines. So why should we believe in one and reject the other?

Just the same way they are the originator of 66books you are using today.

So why do you accept the 66books and reject Trinity and Mother of God?

Janosky:
Emusan, you LIED that JWs copied Colossians 1:16-18 from Johannes Grieber Translation.
I challenge you to present the proof for your FALSEHOOD which contravene Nairaland Rule number 8.

Accursed LIAR.

Where did I say Jws copied Colossians 1:16-18 from johannes Gerber?

You forgot to pick your brain from Hall after meeting yesterday JaNosense?

cornelboy:
Lol who did John refers to as the "word"?

The man Jesus Christ!

You can only confuse yourself

But the confusion is all over you

1. The Bible explains that Jesus was with God before the foundation of the world. He resided in heaven as a whole complete being before he became flesh.

You still don't get it,

Jesus was not with God but "The Word" is

We know He is a complete BEING before became flesh.

It's not hard. God miraculously transferred him {his whole being, person} into Mary's womb. He completely left heaven.

Waoooo I love this, that means the person in heaven still exist why in the womb

Don't let your organization disfellowsip you for that statement

Humans will be in God's Kingdom but in a spirit body (not with as physical man, flesh and blood).

And you still call them HUMAN

The kingdom will come to earth (earth is different from heaven Mr spoon feeder) to rule and judge the earth.

That means people on earth will still enter the kingdom, true or false?

I don't know the body the people (kings) in the kingdom and Jesus their KING will have, it's not explicitly stated in the Bible

You already said above that HUMAN

but the people on earth they will rule and judge are humans with flesh and blood.

Yet in the same kingdom where flesh and blood can't inherit

When I said you don't understand that verse the other time you think I don't know what I was saying.

You don't even understand the Bible and JWs articles.

Yet I've been giving you and your brothers Bible study on this forum.

The kingdom was established for a reason. Daniel 2:44. After it has accomplished its purpose, Jesus will hand over everything to God {the kingdom, his authority..}so that God can rule over ALL. Jesus will be subjected to Him.

Only if you understand yourself and the verse you're quoting.

God Himself will live with the righteous on earth (new earth paradise). Revelation 21;1-5 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

In other word, God will dwell with flesh and blood. So why did you say flesh and blood can't inherit kingdom of heaven the other day?

I did got get your foolishness and I would like you not to spoonfeed me with it in the future

Just search your mind you'll realize that you're enjoying the Bible study. No shame in that!

Janosky:
John 1:1 fact: ho Theos Jehovah his Father.
Theos without definite article ,"a god."
John 14:1 & Acts 12:22-24 Mounce Greek interlinear,Oga & confirm it yourself.
Hebrew 1:2 fact...
Jesus is God's Son.
God MADE the universe , NOT his Son.
Creation through his son... Colossians 1:16.
The same message in Hebrew 1:2.
The Son is agency ("through" of creation.
No be rocket science nau

That's what God says about The Word, He is the creator. At least you can agree to that.

The word is God

Psalms 45:6-7 "thy throne given of God", genuine copy of Hebrews 1:8,different from the Trinitarian Fraud of Hebrews 1:8.
Confirmed by your Trinity mentors, in the Catholic church Jerusalem Bible.
Oga, go and confirm it yourself

Time to start jumping from different translations that he doesn't hold as truth

Emusan are you drunk this night?
Why are you LYING?
According to the Screenshots of your fellow 3 deities Polytheists,biblehub, what is the definition of Theos?
"God/a god" , shey?

No! Remember, it's you people who can get drunk as you want.

According to the definition, "GOD" is there yet you couldn't see that

Or Theos only mean "A god"?

JWs did NOT add anything.
JWs stuck to the correct definition of ho Theos & Theos @ John 1:1.
Emusan is a LIAR

JWs abracadabra added to many verses in the scripture. Don't forget Colossians 1:16-18 where the word "OTHER" were added many times

That was the definition demonic spirit gave to Johannes Gerber which your organization copied.

Emusan claims are GIBBERISH.

I can feel your pain JaNosense the Mr Gibberish!

haddeylium:

Silent mode