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MaxInDHouse:
The fire was mentioned regarding the heavens

Lying liar

so if you're interested in knowing what the heavens there means we will teach you

You don't need to tell me oga Ade

but if you think it's just literal heaven and earth then keep your opinion

Of course if isn't non-literal, it will personification or symbolic

because my God reserved the heavens for His own glory while the earth is what He gave to humans! Psalms 115:16

But He said heavens and earth will be dissolved with intense heat

Which is the reason why your organization depiction of Armageddon has always be about fire from above.

God's word found @ Psalms 102 is still referring to UNGODLY PEOPLE not the planet!

Yet you couldn't highlight where the word "ungodly people" appear in that chapter

Verse 24 says "THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS" meaning the inhabitants of the planet!

This is verse 24 "I said: “O my God,
Do not do away with me in the middle of my life, You whose years span all generations."

Heavens and earth THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS or Jehovah years span THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS?

Besides, we are the last generations on this planet.

The spirit in you actually working fine

MaxInDHouse:
You don't need quoting all the letters

I know it will get to this

Which supported my initial point that you just cherrypick that verse 7

because the understanding is of the spirit not in the letters! 2Corinthians 3:6

Glory be to God, and I never deny that but dontr forget your usual rant, comparing scripture with scripture

Why will God inspire Peter to write in a plain language that both heavens and earth were RESERVED for FIRE? Even went ahead to say clearly that the ELEMENTS will dissolve with intense heat.

First of all note the highlighted alone

If you yourself NOTE thee highlighted we won't come to this stage.

Lemme separate the highlighted for you
1. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist ARE RESERVED FOR FIRE

2. and are being kept until the day of judgment

3. and of destruction of the UNGODLY PEOPLE"

So think about your own highlight first.

then meditate thoroughly on what other scriptures says so you can get the accurate knowledge of what you're reading! Proverbs 2:1-5

Sure that's why none of the scripture you quoted goes against what God revealed in that 2 Peter 3 and Revelation.

Unless you think God is contradicting Himself

That should be directed to you.

but if not then there will always be something is in each verse you're quoting that will help you get the sense of that scripture!

That's cherrpicking

The scripture can never be broken don't forget!

Psalm 102 which was quoted by the author of Hebrew chapter 1 says 25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.i 26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away. 27 But you are the same, and your years will never end."

So from Old Testament to the New Testament God has already revealed the end of the heavens and earth.

MaxInDHouse:
And from all the scriptures i quoted the earth will stand gìdìgbà and nothing will move or shake it forever!

Here it is from your fraudulent NWT
6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water 7 But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people...10 But Jehovah’s* day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 as you await and keep close in mind* the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat! 13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell. 2 Peter 3:7-13

That's nice which means 2 Peter 3 is from the Devil

cornelboy:
If you were a good reader and with a good brain, you would have comprehended what my post was about

Of course, your post is to call God a liar by saying "in the beginning, God created heavens and earth"....then added your mumbo jumbo "God will later destroyed all these because Satan corrupted His plan" (this is paraphrase)

Yet from the scripture we know that God actually says both heavens and the earth will be destroyed and He promised a New heavens and earth. 2 Peter 3

So if you actually read your fraudulent NWT you'd have seen it there before you created such irrelevant thread.

MaxInDHouse:
In a nutshell you can't remember any creature that lived before Noah but never existed after the flood, shey?
Well that's exactly what God will do, if 9,000,000,000,000,000 creatures are destroyed what matters to our God is for a pair of each specie to continue existing on this planet after all He created just a pair of all the creatures in the beginning.
It's only humans that matters most to him because we were created in His image!

You have started your mumbo jumbo, nothing in your post addresses my point

The fact is that from the scripture above heavens and earth will be dissolved with intense heat and a new heavens and new Earth was promised.

cornelboy:
Yeah I got it from the fraudulent NWT.

Then you're not a good reader because it's in your fraudulent NWT that there will be New heavens and new Earth. 2 Peter 3

Well I know the next thing is to say it's symbolic

So your NEW LIGHT claim is false no wonder you couldn't provide your organization latest new light on Armageddon

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know any creature that didn't survive the destruction of Noah's generation

No one! Except those that went into the ark with Noah. You can prove me wrong by providing the scripture where any creature was said to survive outside the one in the ark

or Sodom and Gomorrah?

No living creatures survived the devastating fire of Sodom and Gomorrah which Jesus even said their judgement is still BETTER OFF compare to the judgement day that is still coming.

So the earth and every other living thing on it will continue to exist except UNGODLY PEOPLE! 2Peter 3:7

No! That's not what the scripture says. I know you just cherrypick that verse 7 but had it been you read everything on that chapter, you'd have seen the clear picture from God who can't lie.

Here it is from your fraudulent NWT

6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water 7 But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people...10 But Jehovah’s* day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 as you await and keep close in mind* the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat! 13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.

This scripture is so rich that God isn't a liar like you people want it to be and self explanatory unless one decided to twist it because.

1. The very elements that made up the earth were clearly mentioned and said to be INTENSIVELY HOT AND dissolved
2. It was clearly stated also that "through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat!"
3. That's why the writer went further to say, heavens and earth that exist were RESERVED FOR FIRE.
4. The inspired writer finally says there are NEW HEAVENS and NEW EARTH.

When the Noah's world was destroyed with water, Bible never talks about NEW EARTH but this one because the destruction will be so great that all Earth's elements will melt in the INTENSE HEAT definitely nothing will remain on earth not even earth itself and that's why God made provision for another New Earth and Heavens.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you that we have the new light so you can't see such pictures in our latest books because we now understood that it's spiritual not physical.

You can continue to hide under NEW LIGHT but that isn't your organization position.

If you disagree, give me the link to your latest organization position on how Armageddon will be.

As for either Noah or Sodom the earth has remained till today and so shall it remain forever.
That's what God promised!

My point on the Noah case is to show you that God destroyed ALL LIVING CREATURES through water

On Sodom and Gomorrah, everything including animals, plants, human and building were destroyed.

So at Armageddon everything will be destroyed, that's why Jesus said "I tell you the truth, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off than such a town on the judgment day." Matt 10:15

So if nothing survived after Jehovah rained down fire on Sodom and Gomorrah and Jesus said on judgement day, Sodom and Gomorrah will be BETTER OFF that such a city....what does that mean?

cornelboy:
"In the beginning, Jehovah created His first son.

Rather! Your organization has rewritten this same verse

At the end he will destroy everything because Satan interrupted his plans.

Is this deliberate lie or you don't read your fraudulent NWT?

The same God says A NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH will come.

I can see how you stylishly boycotted some of my points.

MaxInDHouse:
Armageddon is a spiritual war not physical nah!

But your organization picture always shows armor thanks and fire from heavens

In fact, your organization says Armageddon war can be in form of earthquake, massive flood e.t.c but here you are talking another thing.

Well the angel of death passed through Egypt and killed only the first born children but all those inside homes covered with the blood of the lamb were saved {Exodus 12:13} note that it's not just the blood alone but the Israelites had a lot to observe that night so that they can escape death {Exodus 12:1-12} the Israelites observed everything Moses told them to do even though Moses himself wasn't a perfect man but all those that obeyed the orders he gave them which he got from Jehovah were preserved alive!

Irrelevant just mumbo jumbo

YES!

Always apply sense!

Didn't Noah and his family save? Yet Genesis still recorded that ALL LIVING CREATURES WERE DESTROYED.

So the point is, when Lot and his family left Sodom and Gomorrah, was anything inside survived?

Remember that Lot and his family were also Sodomites by virtue of habitation but they left that geographical location {Revelations 18:4}

Nobody asked you this Mr.

Did anything survive inside Sodom and Gomorrah after Jehovah rained fire down.

to a place Lot begged Jehovah not to destroy on this same planet and they were saved.

I know that Mr

So it's only those who refused to go out with lot that perished!

Including all the animals, grass, and plants in Sodom and Gomorrah

Isn't it?

RealTalker02:
Ain't you dumb?

Not as you are dumb

Eccl 12:7 showed you the right path already.

" and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

Dust= it..

Spirit = it.

Both are things.

How did God gave this spirit ? Go back to Genesis and see God breath into Adam .

At least you can't deny that the spirits of the Noah's day didn't go to heaven

I know if possible for you, you'd have removed that part from the scripture, since it keeps putting sand sand to your garri

RealTalker02:
Buddy, If it's not personification, means there is a person who knows the Father more than Jesus. Do you accept this ?

Still the same dumb reply

Janosky:
This Misguided 3 deities worshpper's delusion equates honor with worship.

I understand your frustration jaNosense

Your evil conscience is judging you because I can't see where the word "WORSHIP" appeared on my post.

When Emusan honor....

"Honor Widows.
Honor all men.
Honor your Father and your mother.
honored us (the disciples)"...

No where Bible instructed us to HONOR anyone JUST AS we honor Jehovah

Has he honored Jehovah God?
Yes.

The question you're still dodging is, how do you honor Jehovah?

Bible instructed you to honor Jesus JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

Mr LIENUS, if you really want to honor Jesus @ John 5:23, OBEY Jesus instructions to you @ Mark 12:29-30 & Matthew 4:10.

And the same Jesus instruction is that we should honor Him JUST AS we honor Jehovah

Do you follow that instruction?

Or:
Continue deceiving yourself typing GIBBERISH

We know you Mr Gebbrish typer

RealTalker02:
The spirit return to God who gave IT

"it"

Your delusion is strong.

Yet the dumbest thing never shows how it correlate with the post

RealTalker02:
The same way man's spirit ,an " it" is said to know man's mind. Personification - giving inanimate things attributes

That's the delusion I'm talking about

If it's not personification, it will be figurative or symbolic

We know your type.

Jesus knows the Father more as far as persons are concerned . Making holy spirit a person means Jesus doesn't come close.

At least it will make you happy!

MaxInDHouse:
Yes! But it's only ungodly people that will die.

So what will kill them?

NO! It has not happened.

I didn't say it has happened either

Only those cities were destroyed back then just as Obasanjo government levelled Udi while the rest of Nigerians never felt anything unless reading it in the news!

But Obasanjo didn't rain fire from above like Jehovah did to Sodom and Gomorrah.

You haven't answered my question, did anything survive in Sodom and Gomorrah after Jehovah rained fire down on them?

That's the beauty of NEW LIGHT, remember we don't claim we've gotten everything figured out

Waooooo so your old light is still on till 2019

we're still progressing

Keep progressing, at least the Bible has been completed over 1,000 years ago and the truth of it doesn't need any further adjustment or progressing. Reason why people of old were saved through the truth in it but your fraudulent organization keeps adjusting and editing to suit their agenda.

but that doesn't mean we agree with any other religion

Did any religion ask you to agree with them in the first place?

only within our group can anyone worship our God.

But it'll be better if you surrender to Jesus for the salvation of your soul.

If you think i goofed it's OK our own type will read it and see the sincerity in my post, so we love and appreciate the knowledge we have even though some think we're deluded we're moving forward!

Not a new song from you...

MaxInDHouse:
Where i quoted said the heavens and the earth which means the event affected all the earth

Isn't Armageddon a global thing too?

but what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah was not global so most inhabitants of the earth at the time will not know until the news reach them.

So many people won't know Armageddon has taken place ko

Besides, when Jehovah rained down fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, wasn't everything destroyed?

When Our God talk about Heaven and Earth to be destroyed we know He's referring to ungodly government at the top of affairs (heaven) and their ungodly citizens (earth) this is so because the ungodly citizens will keep blaming their governments yet it's from their midst that their government emerged {Revelations 13:1} but their first destruction affected all living creatures that never sinned against God. This time around God is going to destroy them without letting it affect other earthly creatures. The FIRE simply means this time ungodly government and their citizens will never suffice again!

Thee funny thing is how you always pride in your ignorance!

Your organization has over 100 pictures of Armageddon, which is total destruction of building, road, infrastructures, human e.t.c

Anyway, do I expect you not to start changing mouth after you realized you've goofy?

NO our God is talking about permanent destruction of all badness caused by ungodly people and their governments not our planet!

Lol....yet you quoted a verse that talked about destruction of ALL LIVING CREATURES

This delusion is very strong.

RealTalker02:
"It", a thing

And so what? Dumbest mind

Still doesn't reboot your delusion, your case is sorry

When you lack understand, do I expect more?

Things are described as "it."

Definitely, and what does it have to do with your delusion on this thread?

- and if a Wicked person gets sent to hell, it is their whole body in hell, where is this body ? Deluded man.

Says the dumbest thing

RealTalker02:
Finally you are just a deluded man.

Says the dumbest thing

Jesus is a person closest to the Father, while God's spirit that knows the things of God is not a person.

Just listing to this gebbrish, GOD'S SPIRIT that KNOWS the things of God isn't a person.

Imagine, INANIMATE KNOWS SOMETHING

What a ridiculous statement.

This makes Jesus statement to be true. In terms of persons, Jesus knows the Father's thought and person than anyone else.

Keep it up....

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to ask:

Will Jehovah destroy all living creatures at Armageddon?
The answer is "NO" only UNGODLY PEOPLE will be destroyed:

Ah....this is funny! So, was it wasn't about how Jehovah destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah again

I guess, all the animals in Sodom and Gomorrah were alive after Jehovah rained down fire from heaven

You this people won't kill me with laugh

For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the UNGODLY PEOPLE. 2Peter 3:5-7

So God is promising that just as He destroyed the first heavens and earth while only UNGODLY PEOPLE were exterminated the same will reoccur and it will only mean the destruction of UNGODLY PEOPLE.

Thanks Emusan!

First of all, heavens then was not affected but only the earth.

Secondly, So only ungodly people were exterminated at the destruction of the first earth yet you quoted the verse where it was stated that ALL LIVING CREATURES were destroyed.

Lastly, how can the whole earth be on fire and only the ungodly people will die? Do you know the temperature that'll be recorded if the whole earth will be covered by fire?

You're welcome MaxinDhouse

RealTalker02:
I only debunk your they are one vague claim.

Just imagine, did I say they ARE ONE PERSON? lying liar

You admitted they are one does not mean same person.

What was the dumbest thing saying self

As long as they are different persons, that's two persons , and one must be closer than the other going by those texts, Which ?

Already answered! You're too dull

RealTalker02:
He gave it when he breath into Adam, That's the question your dumb head isn't asking. How did he gave it ? Spirit of man is the breath of life God gave him

Just as your dumb skull still twisting

Did the spirit go back to God or not?

Deluded man

Confused being

God gave " it "

" It "

" It "

" It"
A thing.

Oponu..so you want it to be Him/She

The verse alone should have even school your dumb head.

When you lack the very understanding.

This is apart from the Fact that 1pet did not made mention of human body , and even Revelation made it clear those who died in the sea/water will be released by the sea .

Which still leave you with question, do their spirit go back to God who gave it?

MaxInDHouse:
The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. "As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease." Genesis 8:21-22

@color but you also believe Jehovah will DESTROY ALL LIVING CREATURES at Armageddon, isn't that wonderful?

I can see you're afraid to list how you honor Jehovah here

Janosky:
Mark 7:10: "For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother"

Lemme interpolate it for you

"For Moses did not say "Honor thy father and thy mother JUST AS you honor Jehovah"

John 5:23: "honor the Son, EVEN AS they honor the Father.

That @underlined is what is missing in all you post. Definitely, you decide to hide that truth.

John 12:26: "serve me, him will my Father honor."

not EVEN AS we honor the Father

Acts 28:10: "honored us with many honors; and when we departed, they laded us with such things as were necessary."

Not EVEN AS we honor the Father

Ephesians 6:2: " Honor thy father and mother; which is the first"

Not JUST AS we honor the Father

1 Timothy 5:3: " Honor widows that are widows indeed."

Not JUST AS we honor the Father

1 Peter 2:17: " Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor"

The clause "JUST AS we honor the Father" is missing

"Honor Widows.
Honor all men.
Honor your Father and your mother.
They honored us (the disciples)"

All this without the clause "JUST AS we honor the Father"

Emusan LIENUS will never repent from LYING.

I know it always pains you and your father the Devil, whenever we exposed your deed.

Lemme quote the verse again, "ALL MUST honor the Son, EVEN AS they honor the Father."

All the verses you ever quoted, no one ever come close to this divine commandment! Yet you and your fraudulent organization failed to obey it.

Besides, how do you honor Jehovah? Don't be afraid to tell us

Shame on you,LIENUS

Thanks! You can add this challenge to it.

You as a Yoruba son, walk up to one of your elder then tell him, as from today I want you to honor me JUST AS you honor your father (since the Bible says we should honor ALL MEN).

Let's see how well it'll go and don't forget to do before and after video because your empty skull might not remain the same again

Janosky:
LYING is Emusan's sole talent.

Kindly point out the lies in my post or remain silent forever like your father the Devil

RealTalker02:
- Whole body goes to hell, none of such in 1Pet .

- Those who died in Noah's day are in the Sea, and would be released from the waters/Sea not hell, says Revelation, not any prison.

Your ideas have no scrutiny

See the lying liar finding a place to hide

They are Spirits went to God who gave it or not?

No single reference anywhere that spirit of a man goes to hell, because it's man's breath. NONE! You are exposed as the fraud you are.

You're not yet cure of this your lying mouth.

Spirit of man can't be breath since both were used in the same verse.

What you would find as reference to hell is human body, Which your dumb self can't even process.

Keep trying, you'll get well soon

RealTalker02:
You are back to normal, after the They are one nonsense.

Why you're still dwelling in your delusion

Since they are different persons

So who says they are the SAME PERSON before? See the mumu lying liar!

who knows the Father deepest among this two persons , Son or Holy spirit ?

Already answered!

RealTalker02:
Unless you are deluded, Both are not one person.

The deluded one! Who says they ONE PERSON?

And in fact, Being one doesn't mean we are same persons,

Then who says so before, are you high on cheap thing?

Jesus pray his disciples are one, they are still Different persons .

Dumbest mind! How does it correlate with my post?

So my question stands- Is it the person called " Son " or the person called " holy spirit " that knows the Father deepest?

The answer already in my previous post.

I repeat , both are not one person!!!

Then I asked again, who says they are ONE PERSON? Dumbest thing.

RealTalker02:
Jesus is Dumb?

Matt 5:30 "your whole body go into hell. "

Jesus emphasize repeatedly that Human body is needed in hell.

Which out right kill your idea.

You still don't get it.

Rather it kills your dumbness

What appear at 1Pet is prison , no human is said to be in prison, only a dumb one interpret it to mean hell, which lead to the question

- if this is hell for humans, where are the human bodies that is thrown there?

See ignorance, so what happened in the prison?

Hell is there in 1 Peter for you

According to Jesus, this wicked one will go to hell with their Soul and body,

Matt 5:30 " your whole body go into hell."

Keep trying, las las your dumbness will be cured.

This point totally destroy your human in hell prison idea. Jesus never mention or describe ordinary Spirits in hell, spirit is man's breath, he rather mention human bodies Repeatedly

But spirit is different from breath

Do you saw where it says those who died in the Sea ar not in this hell? People of Noah's day are in the sea and it's the Sea that would release them not prison. Your ideas ar total fiction.

But their spirit went to God who gave it

He did . He repeatedly emphasize body going to hell, not once did he mention spirit in hell, because spirit of man Is his breath

Spirit of man can't be his breath since both spirit and breath used together in the same verse

RealTalker02:
1Corinthians 2:11

" no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit. " NLT

According to this text, Jesus didn't reveal the Father's thought to holy spirit before he knows it, he knows the Father's deep thought than NO ONE ELSE, which include Jesus.

Ode....both are one!

The Father, The Word & Holy Spirit.

When the Bible was talking about NO ONE, it means the audience or anyone OUTSIDE the Godhead.

Simple comprehension is truly an issue for you.

So the question again: Is Jesus lying when he claimed to be the one who reveal the Father to all others ? Or you admit it's the holy spirit that reveal the Father to Jesus ?

When lack of simple comprehension is in play

You need Bible study.

Janosky:
Mumu post.

You're the one showing your mumuness here.

This mumu 3 deities worshipper says when he honour his father and mother he worships them.

No! That's not what he says. That John 5:23 says "JUST AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER"

The point is, you should honor Jesus the same way you honor Jehovah.

Now, if you are not truly the son of your father the Devil, list here let's see the way you HONOR JEHOVAH.

The same Greek word "Honour" is at John 5:23,Mark 10:19 & Ephesians 6:1-2.
The screenshot exposed his gullibility & self deceit to think that Honour meant worship.

As usual the point isn't about the Greek word of HONOR but what honor belong to Jehovah should be given to Jesus.

Jashub, 3 deities worshipping polytheists, continue to disobey your own Bible @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29.

Can't you see you're the very one disobeying your own Bible when you can't honor Jesus THE SAME WAY you honor Jehovah.

RealTalker02:
You are dumb like I always tell you

Your dumbest is glaring here

“This is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, [b] and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent”

Jesus chooses those HE REVEALS the FATHER to. So stop typing rubbish.

Yes I know Jesus , But not as Deep as the Father knows him. And I know the Father but not as Deep as Jesus knows him.

But that's not what the text says you just added that for further confusion

You can see that you're not smart at all.

The problem is Jesus claim to be the one who knows the Father deepest and he chooses who to reveal him to,

That's the point. Which is among the listeners of Jesus.

But another text claim Holy spirit knows the things of the Father deepest than anyone else.

Very well!

But remember ONLY PERSON have ability to know.

Which make me ask the question: Who is closest between Jesus and holy spirit?

Above point is enough for your question unless you're still drowning in lack of simple comprehension.