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gohf:
I can take this as you do not want to answer or you don't have any answer to the questions I asked you.

The Holy Spirit is one, he doesn't reveal contradictory things as God is not an author of confusion. If you pretended to agree with me that has nothing to do with me but with you. If you don't want an argument or a debate, then you would answer the questions honestly and according to what is written.

It may be okay to you for people to believe and know a lie but a lie won't set people free and for me it isn't okay for people to teach and preach what contradicts the truth. I understand the deception played by the devil to let many believe a lie he cooked up, but I don't understand why people feel the need to make a Jesus equal to God or a god.

@underlined - you're wrong it's not people who tried to make Jesus equal to God or a god but it was The Word of God that revealed that Jesus is God and equal to God.

OLAADEGBU:
Which one out of the 23 bible doctrines preached in Deeper Life has been changed or added to?

The ones Kumuyi is complaining about now.

See the way he used style run away from 1 Corin

Janosky:
Every being created exists in God's image and likeness.

Animals too exist in God's image, is that correct?

Man,Jesus Christ & Satan has God's nature.

No! God's Nature will forever be His major unique thing.

The day any being has the capacity to POSSESS GOD'S NATURE automatically makes that Being to be God.

If your Dog has HUMAN NATURE today, it stop being Dog but Human.

This sis simple logic and fact.

It's NATURE that differentiates us in this world.

Now that you AGREED that Jesus has God's Nature, then it means Jesus is FULLY GOD.

God is the Father of all. Ephesians 4:6.
Oga, receive sense.

YES! because He created ALL.

We're talking about NATURE.

You can ask your ChatGPT or any AI in case you lack the knowledge about the subject matter, "meaning of Nature" to see if SATAN your father possessed God's NATURE of Yahweh(since you can elevate anything to God's position).

Let me help you because I know you'll never do that as you already know the outcome.

See the screenshot below!

That's why is very important to stick to what the scripture says and not just bringing out doctrines that is based on your own opinion.

Janosky:
God is a spirit.
Also Satan is a spirit.

Emusan, are the two of them equal spirits?

Please allow your brain to function.

God and Satan are not Equal as a Spirit Person just as Human and Dog not Equal as a Physical Being.

So, The Nature of God is different from the Nature of Satan.

Remember you have agreed that Jesus has God's Nature.

Does Jesus has Satan's Nature too?

Aramaic Bible in Plain English Matthew 4:10
Then Yeshua said to him, “Depart Satan, for
it is written: 'You shall worship THE LORD JEHOVAH your God and HIM ALONE shall you serve".


In plain English,Jesus said Worship is EXCLUSIVE To The LORD JEHOVAH.
Emusan doesn't understand the Bible in plain English.

Oga, continue deceiving yourself.

Reason why you couldn't answer my question


How do you HONOR JEHOVAH?

Very simple question.

Let's see if you OBEY JESUS

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 11:3
"Man is the head of the woman."

Giving honor doesn't translate to equality.

But no one claimed: "honor translates to EQUALITY".

The point is, you give THE SAME HONOR to both because they are EQUAL.

Oga,Believe Jesus Christ and believe Paul, his convert.

I do and I will always do.

Do you believe Jesus when He said you should HONOR HIM JUST AS you Honor the Father?

The key phrase here is "JUST AS"

The assignment I always give you people and never carry out is:

When you get to your hall, walk up to any elder and tell him "Sir, as from today I want you to respect me JUST AS YOU RESPECT your father"

Let's see how it will go.

"The Father (God Almighty) is greater than I (Jesus)."
The teaching of Jesus Christ, @John 14:28

1 Corinthians 11:3
"God is the Head of Christ Jesus".

This is about POSITION not NATURE.

Did you see Worship @ John 5:23?
No.

Capital NO!

Do you HONOR Jehovah by Worshipping Him?

But you dey put worship @ John 5:23.

Yes! In my explanation because worship is part of HONOR we give to God.

Do you want Watchtower reference about how worship is part of HONOR given to Jehovah?

You assume or think that Honor equates to worship.
No Sir.

I never assume or equate honor to worship.

Rather, I said worship is part of how we HONOR GOD.

Jesus demands EQUAL HONOR as given to The Father.

Which means, if you Honor The Father through Worship Jesus Christ said it's not complete without given Him the same Honor.

The question is, how do you Honor The Father?

Janosky:
Hierarchy started from the spiritual realm.
God says Jesus Christ is under God's authority in heaven and earth,
Likewise,Man and wife/women.

That Jesus has God's nature, doesn't grant equality to Jesus.
Likewise, woman having human nature, doesn't make her head of the man.

You just implicate yourself with this statement.

For Jesus to have God's NATURE means Jesus is FULLY GOD.

Your second statement should be "Likewise, man having human NATURE doesn't make him the head of woman." by this, it shows when the scripture says Man is the Head of the Woman it wasn't about NATURE but position. The same explanation about God greater than Jesus.

So it's about POSITION not NATURE.

By Nature both man and woman are equal.

For Emusan mind

No! By scripture and it's interpretation.

The Bible word for Honour is the same meaning @ John 5:23 & Ephesians 6:1.

Honor doesn't bestow equality to anyone.

This is a lame explanation.

For understanding, no one says "Honor bestowed EQUALITY to anybody"

But Jesus statement shows WHATEVER WAY YOU HONOR THE FATHER THE SAME WAY YOU SHOULD HONOR HIM.

How do you Honor the Father?

Jesus said you should Honor Him the same way.

If Jesus isn't equal to God, He can't demand THE SAME HONOR just from your citation of 1 Corinthians we should Honor our father and mother which means both our father and mother are equal despite the man is the head of the woman.

Can you comprehend this?

Oga, do not go beyond the things written in your Bible

I don't. Why do you go below of what is written in your own Bible?

If you have the mind, the challenge for you here is:
List how you have been honoring Jehovah.

This is very important.

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala it's OK!

Which it's never okay with you

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ with Jehovah's Witnesses it's OK!

That's the evidence that you're not okay.

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala it's OK!

We all know it's never okay with you as you'll still be parading up and down

achorladey:
Who go take person wey talk sey Jesus real return seriously. Imaginary return or their invisible return doctrine and yet they tell you Jesus is not coming visibly even in the future when you say his return will be visible.

They realize the first invisible return isn't making any sense they have to come up with the second REAL invisible RETURN. Which they can never provide any scripture to back it up.

MaxIntheHouse2:
This answer is here:
Answer and solve the puzzle!

If your brain is not paining you, you won't say I should ANSWER an ANSWER.

Kai...see what Watchtower has done to your brain cells.

Anyways, I understand when you hit the rock

Maximus692:
Surely you don't want the truth!

Says the person who lied that Jesus disciples won't die again when Jesus comes and begins to rule.

Yet to him Jesus has come and began to rule since 1914

So why are Jesus disciples still dying?

He can't answer

Maximus692:
If you answer this question it will solve the puzzle:

So answer the question!

Jesus has come
Jesus has began to rule.

These are the fact you can't deny based on Watchtower.

So, why has disciples of Jesus still dying when they are not supposed to die when Jesus will come and begin to rule as you claimed earlier?

Is the question you haven't answered.

Until then you'll be given tutorial on that.

Maximus692:
Please when did Michael send Satan and his demons out of heaven, before or after Jesus' ministry?

Shifting here and there won't solve your problem.

You're the one who quoted Matt 6:9-10

Which is boldly written as "Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy. May your Kingdom come soon. May your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. - Matt 6:9-10

According to this scripture has the WILL OF GOD BE DONE IN HEAVEN?

A good student of English knows the answer is YES!

Jesus has come and began to rule this negates your earlier statement of no disciples of Jesus Christ will die once Jesus comes and began to rule. This is part of what OP was saying.

MaxInDHouse:
It's the hatred in his heart that's blurring his heart but one thing is certain he can't turn God's word upside down just because he hates JWs!

Whenever you're put on your feets about the very scripture you claimed you cherish and know to the core but couldn't defend it's when you started seeing HATRED.

I understand

You claimed no disciples of Jesus will ever die once Jesus comes and began to rule.

I brought to your notice that according to your organization:
1. Jesus has come
2. Jesus has began to rule.

What did you say? You started changing mouth because you quickly realized that this actually negate your first posit.

On your thread Titled "JW008 The Year 1914" which is an edited Title anyway.

The main purpose of that thread is to proof how Jesus has come in the year 1914 and began to rule and the years Jesus inspected the whole earth but couldn't find any faithful worshipers except small group of idolaters in Brooklyn and Jesus bought the group from them with an undisclose amount

On this thread you made the bold statement "REAL SECOND COMING"

Does Jesus coming in the year 1914 fake or what that the REAL SECOND COMING has to happen?

These are the real issues and the main point by the OP "conflict teachings."

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered but you are not patient.

If you've answered I won't be asking you again.

Jesus is ruling now in heaven

Does this ruling extend to earth or not?
This is the question you're turning a blind eyes

before then Satan and his demons were causing trouble for God's loyal spirit sons {Revelations 12:10} be glad you who lives in heaven and it's inhabitants woe for the earth.

Okay.

So it's now that God's will is taking place in heaven we need that prayer mostly:

Let your kingdom come, let your [will] take place as it is in heaven also upon the earth! Matthew 6:10

It's not NOW. It means you don't understand the scripture you're quoting.

Look at the @color-red it says "AS IT IS" if English comprehension isn't your problem you should know that "The Will of God" already in place in heaven as Jesus was talking, if not Jesus won't use such words.

Meaning of the phrase "As it is":
1. "As it is" (or "as is" )
Present Condition:
This phrase refers to something in its current state or condition.
Example: "Leave the car as it is." (meaning don't fix it or modify it).

Janosky:
Honor your Father as you honor your Mother, your Bible commands.
Does honor your Father as you honor your Mother change 1 Corinthians 11:3?

Very right!

because my Father and my Mother are equal per human Nature.

Which means Jesus statement in that John 5:23 shows both the Father and Jesus are EQUAL reason why Jesus is demanding the SAME HONOR.

No creature can do that.

Does Jesus statement of John 5:23 CHANGE Jesus teaching of John 14:28 & 1 Corinthians 11:3?
No , definitely not.

Jesus' statement in John 14:28 is about position just as my Father is greater than my Mother in position when it comes to family affair.

So, the question is do you Honor Jesus Christ JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Don't forget to Honor Jehovah you must worship and praise Him.

Emusan,Do you see that Jesus agreed with 1 Corinthians 11:3 @ John 14:28?

No! Bible never asks us to HONOR our parents JUST AS we HONOR GOD.

To do this means we should worship our parents because worshipping is part of how we Honor God according to Watchtower.

Do you see and understand the content of John 14:28 and 1 Corin 11:3 now?

Please allow the holy scriptures to guide you & likewise allow your brain to function.

I do the question is, do you allow the same Holy Scripture to guide you?

You know Jesus is asking for EQUAL HONOR and to Honor Jehovah means you must worship Him.

True or false?

MaxInDHouse:
He is to rule the earth with his anointed brothers for 1,000 years {Revelations 20:2-3} his rulership begins that year does not start counting from the time remember it's hear on planet earth that time counts not heaven.
So YES Jesus is a King right from the day he was born on planet earth but his action started when he ousted Satan in heaven yet his rulership upon the earth has not begun which will take a thousand years!

Is Jesus ruling now or not?

Does Jesus ruling in heaven extend to earth now or not?

You never answered any of my questions but using style to boycott them.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus promised to be with his disciples all throughout {Matthew 28:20} but when his real disciples were killed and Satan's agents began operating as false Christians Jesus' spirit left until the end time when he ousted Satan in heaven to help honest hearted and sincere people on earth

This is just from your own delusion you don't have a single verse to support this.

he came as a spirit King to support them

As a KING means Jesus has started RULING.

True or False?

that's why Jehovah's Witnesses started making changes in their beliefs as Jesus is correcting all the wrong teachings Satan's agents spread throughout the world

Out of the main point.

but that's not his second coming that we are expecting since it took a long time before we knew he is around in spirit to help us.

There's no MULTIPLE COMING OF JESUS CHRIST according to the scripture.

I challenge you to provide the MULTIPLE COMINGS of Jesus Christ from the scripture.

The coming (singular) of Christ was well established throughout the scripture.

Now you want to change mouth because your first statement already ends as false.

His real second coming will affect many people because he will destroy all human governments and establish his own government {Daniel 2:44} that's when many people will be killed for not surrendering to Jesus' orders! Luke 19:27 compare to Revelations 19:21

You'll know a lying liar by the way they cunningly play with word.

Look at the @color-red so there's a REAL & a FALSE second coming.

This is evident that you know there's just ONE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST but you have to keep deceiving yourself using lie to support lies.

So Jesus' first coming was noticed due to his ministry and miracles so his second coming will also be noticed because there will be killings from on end of the earth to another {Revelations 14:18-20} but it will be too late for unbelievers because by then Jesus and his angels will not show mercy to rebellious ones! Zephaniah 2:2-3

It means you agreed that JESUS HAS COME AND HIS GOVERNMENT HAS STARTED.

So why are JWs still die when you claimed if the above happened no disciples of Jesus will ever DIE AGAIN?

CJStarz:
My brother, I wish I can 'unmake' that statement. D guy bn flaunting it around like some priced possession, quoting it like ma.d,but never mentioning where I laid bare his a.n. us

Honestly, that is what is on Nairaland for day and night.

There was a time he started praising himself simply because some people will mention his name on a thread title, he started feeling like King Kong

yarimo:
that is why he went to charge his phone in late okupe house in the name of condolence abi

You don't even have shame to see that baba Tinubu is the real liar when he promised that he'll give Nigerians 24hrs of electricity.

If he has fulfilled his promises will Obi be carrying charger around?

Yet you keep throwing your support to someone who made a promise and never fulfilled it.

Courz:
Nice thread you have here MightySparrow. It is apparent that the JWs are ashamed of their doctrine and do not believe in what their Governing body tells them. Where is the one line of thought Mad MaxinDhouse boasts about? Look at them arguing amongst themselves. Wonderful! 🤣🤣😀

The only people who fall for that lie of "one line of thought" are the people who really didn't know Jws to the core.

Just as CJStarz will continue to regret the day he made that statement after fully knows who he was dealing with.

We have seen many JWs comments on this forum and how it negates their "One line of thought".

Zooposki:
Love it.

But the name "John" is what and from where?

Maximus692:
According to Revelations 12:7-12 Jesus' reign which began in heaven means woe for the earth but he will later extent his rulership to the earth.

You haven't answered my questions.

Has Jesus come?
Has Jesus government began?

I believe it's not difficult to understand if you sincerely pay attention to that account!

Sure it's not difficult to understand when you clarify your point but you haven't.

This is your statement again:

"...any of his disciples who happens to be alive when Jesus comes to start his government will never die again"

According to you, Jesus has come in 1914 and Jesus has began to rule.

Why is your above statement not happening?

Sand2022:
In 1 Peter 4:11, Peter concludes a charge with reverent praise to God the Father:
"Whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." (1 Peter 4:11, ESV)

This doxology—ending with "Amen"—is reverential and worshipful. It is a form of praise directed not to the audience but to the Almighty God, who is not present as a recipient within the letter’s readership. Such exalted praise is a marker of divine honor.
Interestingly, similar expressions of glory and praise—concluded with "Amen"—are directed to Jesus Christ as well:

"...who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." (1 Timothy 6:16, ESV)

And again:

"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen." (2 Peter 3:18, ESV)

These doxologies affirm that such glorifying language is not reserved solely for the Father, but also given to the Son. This is not competitive but complementary. When we worship the Father, we do not exclude the Son, and when we honor the Son, the Father is not excluded either. Rather, they share in the glory and worship. This is echoed in Jesus’ prayer:

"And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." (John 17:5, ESV)
This shared glory is also seen in Revelation 5:13–14, where both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) receive worship from all creation:

"And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' and the elders fell down and worshiped." (Revelation 5:13–14, ESV)

This unity in glory between the Father and the Son is not new; it existed before the world began. The prophet Isaiah describes a scene of divine worship:

"In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings... And one called to another and said: 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!'" (Isaiah 6:1–3, ESV)

John later identifies the recipient of that vision as Jesus:

"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him." (John 12:41, ESV)

Thus, just as in Revelation 5, the Father and the Son share in divine worship, so too in Isaiah’s vision and John’s interpretation, the Son is seen as the one glorified.

The distinction arises not in essence, but in role. When the Son took on flesh for the purpose of redemption, He assumed a subordinate role—one in which He could say, "My God," reflecting His humanity and mission. Yet, this subordination in role does not diminish His divinity. It adds a redemptive function to His identity, while His divine nature remains fully intact—equal in essence and worthy of the same eternal glory.

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Jesus Himself boldly says "The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, this is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him." John 5:23

If this is not equality to you then your education is a waste.

In fact some translations put it this way "...so that all men may honour the Son equally with the Father."

Maximus692:
You are missing something here!

Jesus began ruling in heaven in the year 1914 not earth

Does that mean JESUS RULING IN HEAVEN is different from JESUS SECOND COMING?

so this is the right time to start praying fervently for his kingdom to come so that the same way Jesus and his angels ousted Satan and his demons in heaven for peace to reign in heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} since the year 1914 they should come and do the same to Satan, his cohorts and their human agents here on earth! Matthew 6:10

I believe by now it's clear shey?

Does Jesus ruling in heaven not extend to the earth now?

MaxInDHouse:
He already told everyone reading that he is not pleased with our teachings:

Which you strongly proved to him by claiming "...disciples who happens to be alive when Jesus comes to start his government will never die again"

The same you believe that Jesus has COME and started His government since 1914.

Yet, many JWs keep dying including the founder C.T Russell.

Is that not conflicting teachings?

Maximus692:
What Jesus said here is that any of his disciples who happens to be alive when Jesus comes to start his government will never die again but untill then you and i are still going to die that's why he said we should continue praying for his kingdom (government) to come {Matthew 6:10} because that's the only government that can solve all mankind's problems leaving nothing behind!

@color just confirmed OP point.

Conflicting teachings!

You claimed Jesus' statement means the believers who are ALIVE when Jesus COMES TO START HIS government will never die again.

Yet, the same you believe that Jesus has COME AND STARTED HIS GOVERNMENT SINCE 1914.

Why do JWs who exercise faith in Jesus continue to die since 1914?

MaxIntheHouse2:
Better!

Finally

MaxInDHouse:
Until you answer the question nothing for you!

Who is begin you for something before?

MaxInDHouse:
Continue dancing around!

Using style to run away from the main issue