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Lithiumite:
Who did not talk about it,you thought subsidy matter started in 3023.......subsidy has always been a hot issue for every president since gowon but became a full grown monster in the 2ks under obj then hydra under GEJ and was ready to kill us all not for Tinubu's meticulous policy to cut it at its root .....so what has obi said that others didn't say.

You didn't understand his point.

Only PO talks about our daily fuel consumption which he kept emphasized on before removing fuel subsidy completely.

That's why many who castigated PO that he also promised to remove subsidy never listen to him or just deliberately misinterpreted his point.

In fact, PO keeps using a country as example by asking how can Nigeria be consuming fuel more than them?

Here is how PO said he will solve the issue of fuel.

1. Get the accurate/minimal daily consumption by this, over bloating figures and excessive subsidy payment can be curbed.
2. Stealing of crude oil which has greatly reduced our daily output barrel per day (with the famous statement: Government are the ones stealing our oil).
3. If the two above can be put in place. Subsidy removal will be in phases as the money saved from over figure and increase in crude output will be channeled to support LOCAL/MODULAR refineries which in turn will create a diversify oil market rather than a monopoly market like what will have now.

So only PO came up with something like no other aspirants in 2023.

The most funny thing is, as Dangote refinery is up, no one talks about MODULAR REFINERIES any more which is indirectly giving ONLY DANGOTE the edge.

Image123:
Lord God Almighty, please deliver us from this populist liar. Amen.

The only thing you can accuse Obi of, is being a liar! But Tinubu you once called a thief is the one you're defending today.

Meanwhile, is Tinubu also not a liar?

Ken4Christ:
You said no scripture says that the law has been abolished.

Yes! Remember it's about OP.

I've even mentioned Eph 2:15 in my first post.

Read the evidence below:

Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is ABOLISHED.

Ephesians 2:15 Having ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

Another synonym used is disannuled:

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a DISANNULLING OF THE COMMANDMENT going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God

The International Standard Version puts it this way:
Romans 7:18-19
18 Indeed, because it was weak and ineffective, the former COMMANDMENT HAS BEEN ANNULLED,

19 since the Law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is presented, by which we approach God.

Synonyms of the word annul are;

Cancel

Invalidate

Void

Nullify

Revoke

Rescind

Repeal

ABOLISH

Abrogate

Set aside

This didn't address my point.

Look at the content again and see that Apostle Paul didn't talk about transition from the law to Christ the same way you're doing.

Jesus Christ made it cleared that He didn't come to "ABOLISH THE LAW but to FULFILL" this shows, there's no 1 reason not to talk of 20 reason as your Title implies.

The chosen of the Nation of Israel, the given of the Laws, the historical events & gentile separation are basically designed in such way to find their reality being revealed in Jesus Christ.

It's not that God gave the laws and later found 20 reason to ABOLISH those laws.

Very simple!

MaxInDHouse:
Please mention the name of your church where Sabbath is still practiced let's learn one or two things from them!

Can you imagine

But you're the one who claimed Sabbath is still in practice today.

MaxInDHouse:
The simple explanation is that Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) aren't under the Old Laws given to the Israelites rather what binds us together now is the law of Christ!
Yet if we read anything in Jesus' statement that's not clearly understood we go back to the laws in order to know the principle behind the law.
For instance God's law says:

“Remember the Sabbath day to keep it sacred.  You are to labor and do all your work for six days, but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your foreign resident who is inside your settlements.  For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and he began to rest on the seventh day. That is why Jehovah blessed the Sabbath day and made it sacred. Exodus 20:8-11

The law said God began resting which we found written in Genesis 2:2 but Jesus said:

“My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working.” John 5:17

Someone who is not studious could just conclude that Jesus is a confusionist but what about Jehovah's Witnesses?

Well we go back to God's perfect law to gain insight:

The law of Jehovah is perfect, restoring strength. The reminder of Jehovah is trustworthy, making the inexperienced one wise. Psalms 19:7

And what did we find?

God Himself explained the principles behind the Sabbath:

“Six days you are to do your work; but on the seventh day, you are to cease from your labor, in order that your bull and your donkey may rest and the son of your slave girl and the foreign resident may refresh themselves." Exodus 23:12

With the help of God's Holy Spirit we are able to figure out the sacred secret {John 14:26-27; 16:12-13} it's to make the rich men give their labourers time to rest and spend time with their families and for the animals too to rest not that God needs rest or that our staying at home brought Him food!

Always shouting with the Help of God's Holy Spirit when in reality there's no connection between him and God's Holy Spirit.

Meanwhile, Sabbath isn't to make the rich men give their labourers time to rest and spend time with their families rather "Israel’s Sabbath observance, was modeled after God’s own Sabbath, was intended to point to a greater spiritual rest. Just as God had rested from his work of creation and entered into an eternal Sabbath, a day which continues for all eternity, believers are to rest from trying to merit their righteousness through observing the Law and trust in Christ’s perfect righteousness. Once a believer truly trusts in the Lord Jesus he enters into God’s own Sabbath whereby he no longer has to merit his justification since he has been given the promise of eternal life"

The book Heb chapter 4 enlightened us more on this, you can read the whole chapter but get this part first:

"So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God.  For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience." Heb 4:9-11 - NWT

Ken4Christ:
What about the several scriptures that affirms the law has been abolished?

No scripture explicitly says The Law has been ABOLISHED.

Or didn't you read them in my previous post?

The scripture you cited are your own interpretation.

Besides, I have explained what Jesus meant in Matthew 5:17.

What Jesus meant is a straight message, you're the one who doesn't understand that.

The whole Hebrew Scripture were deliberately designed that way to find their fulfillment in Jesus Christ.

He fulfilled the law which was a justified abolition.

This is where you're still getting it wrong.
Even though, you rightly said Jesus FULFILLED the Law (which I know you're referring Matt 5:17) but The Law was not ABOLISHED rather find their fulfillment in Jesus Christ. Which means

Read my explanation again at the beginning of this thread.

I did

May the Lord grant you understanding.

And you too.

Ken4Christ:
The Old Testament Covenant is referred to as the ministry of death and condemnation. It is a yoke of bondage. It killed the Jews in their thousands. It doesn't show mercy.

No! It wasn't the covenant that killed them in their thousands but their unbelieve.

Jesus delivered the Jews from it before the entire nation will be completely wiped out.

The entire Nation could be wiped out and still won't be anything.

The reason for that Nation couldn't be wiped out is simply because The Messiah must come from it. So Jesus didn't deliver THEM from being wiped out rather God used the Nation to bring Salvation to the whole World.

He abolished it and ushered in grace that included both the Jews and the Gentiles.

Jesus Himself said, He didn't ABOLISH anything but here you are saying Jesus did.

Who should we believe, you or Jesus?

May the Lord give you understanding.

Amen! And you too.

Let me use this to address the OP as well.

ichuka:
Nice one, the law is Holy and Righteous and Good.

The law is Holy, Righteous & Good means the END POINT of it. That is, what God wants to actually achieve with the Law is Holiness, Righteousness & Goodness.

and it was fullfil by Jesus Christ not abolished

This is for @Ken4christ too.

The term "ABOLISH" might not fully capture the understanding of the subject matter as it was used to means the Law (the Hebrew books) were given at some point and totally rendered useless at another point.

Just as you rightly put it (as stated by Jesus Christ Himself). Jesus Christ FULFILLED the Law and not ABOLISH.

This is what Apostle Paul also explained in Eph 2:15 even though the word "ABOLISH" was used.

Here is the summary of it:
What the Lord Jesus was basically telling the people is that the Hebrew Bible was specifically revealed in such a way so as to find its true meaning and completion in the Messiah’s work and interpretation of it.

The Hebrew Scriptures were deliberately designed by God to foreshadow Christ and his Church. The OT Scriptures contained shadows, types, analogies, and copies of spiritual realities that awaited the coming of Christ.

OT peoples, places, events and things were deliberately designed to be copies of a far greater spiritual reality, with Christ manifesting that reality through his fulfillment of it. The NT Scriptures are basically the record of how Christ unveiled the spiritual reality underlying the OT revelation.

The OT is like that of Architectural blueprint that an Engineer needs during construction. When the building actually comes to reality, the architectural blueprint doesn't get abandoned and destroyed but keep in place for further verification and documentations.

You can read more from this LINK which you can read further.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no need arguing with you!

And the question remains, saying JWs are cults is that an insult?

MaxInDHouse:
You're always running off point!

This is what the young man typed with his own hands:

My point: Is he obeying his own rules?

Calling JWs 'CULT' might not be an insult to him but a fact, it's left for you to ask him.

But for you to point that out and see it as INSULT shows it hits you badly even though you always pretend to be proud of it since Jesus was called same.

So my point still stands.

MaxInDHouse:
Did you call Jehovah's Witnesses CULT?

So it pains you whenever JWs are being called CULT but I thought you always happy with it as Jesus was also called

Janosky:
Nobody worshipped Peter or Jesus.

If nobody worshipped Peter, why did Peter act this way by saying: 'But Peter lifted him up, saying: “Rise; I too am just a man.” - NWT

Are people not taking honor or obeisance from people?

FreeIgboho:
The basic assumption of this thread is that the Bible is approximately accurate except for minor inconsistencies on inconsequential things

Yeah, I agreed with you that Bible is accurate.

My point is, Being God isn't what happened with Jesus but the scripture revealed that Jesus is Almighty God.

FreeIgboho:
Personally, if ALL that happened with Jesus happens with ANY person I'd accept that the person is God.

Point of correction: Isn't what HAPPENED with Jesus but How the scripture REVEALED who He was.

Janosky:
Address my question:
"which human being that God created after Eve?"

God has created billions of human beings after Eve.

Or is it Devil that created you?

Go to your Bible account of creation
Then,You have found your answer.

You didn't know this before jumping into my mention.

Did you see the term "Bible" from Genesis to Revelation?
Use your brain nau.

Meaning
Do you use your brain too?

Janosky:
As far as English language is concerned,Max is right.

Good. I love this!

As far as Greek language is concerned, the God is different from a god.

Which means Max is wrong.

Beautiful

Janosky:
Oga, which human being that God created after Eve?

Use your brain nau.

You didn't address my post!

Janosky:
In English, A President or president .
Also God or A God can have same meaning.
But in Greek language, definitely not.

Greek lexicon 2316 Theos is written in 2 different ways in your own Bible.
Examples in your Bible:
Acts 12:22-23. John 10:34-36. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.
2 Corinthians 4:4

You didn't answer this: Which means Max is wrong for saying there's no different between God and a God, right?

STOP DECEIVING yourself.

We've not gotten to this level.

Don't let your blood boil for now.

Janosky:
The first born can be fourty years older than his other siblings,he is still the first born older than them.

Then the first born can't be said to have been BEFORE THE MAN BEGINS to have children.

It's common sense.

Jesus Christ is the first born of every creature.

The term FIRSTBORN is about SUPREMACY.

Should we ask KJV, NIV?

Eve is the last born of every creature, thereafter God rested.

Provide the scripture to back it up and where the TERM LAST BORN was used for Eve.

You either get it or forget about it.

We stick with scripture interpretation not your own interpretation.

MaxInDHouse:
He is the first creature that's why Bible called him the "firstborn of all creation" {Colossians 1:15}

No firstborn that's not part of those being born!

Look at the @color-red, how can He be the FIRST CREATURE and still be BEFORE CREATION?

God who is not a liar and can never lie told us the very first thing He created. Gen 1:1 "In the beginning (the start of creation), God created the heavens and the Earth"

The term FIRSTBORN is about SUPREMACY reason why He was BEFORE CREATION and not PART OF CREATION.

MaxInDHouse:
The first angel (archangel) existed before other things

Which means He exists BEFORE CREATION STARTED.

Only God exists BEFORE CREATION STARTED.

Point one fixed.

and he was with God during the creation of other things {Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:2; Colossians 1:15-16}

I love this! Which means His is OUTSIDE CREATION.

Only God is OUTSIDE CREATION.

Correction!!! The word "OTHER" was never found in any known manuscripts in possession today. All scripture cited says "He is the Creator of ALL THINGS"

Meanwhile, Moses was not WITH GOD, so your claim to make Jesus and Moses to be equal is ante-scripture

so just as God used Adam to start populating planet earth He did the same thing with the archangel (first angel) that is why both of them were called God's Son! Luke 3:38; John 3:16; 1Corinthans 15:45

God CREATED(not used) Adam (MAN) to start populating MAN not anything else. Yahweh is not a limitless God that He can't Create ALL THINGS ALL BY HIMSELF and the truth from the scripture is that Yahweh Created ALL THINGS ALL BY HIMSELF.

"Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone" Isa 44:24

You can proof me wrong by providing the scripture where Yahweh use Archangel to create anything.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

Moses was a man before Jehovah made him a God {Exodus 7:1} likewise the Word was an angel (spirit son of God) before God made him a God.

Remember in the Bible book of Job it is written that the morning stars are God's children {Job 38:7} in the same manner the spirit son of God who became the Word is also one of the morning stars but the Bright one among them! Revelations 1:5

So the Word was an angel or God's spirit son before creation!

@color-red is the key point here.

Before Creation no entity exists EXCEPT GOD, all Angels are CREATED BEINGS which means no single one can be BEFORE creation.

So, John 1:1 shows "The Word WAS with God and WAS GOD" before Creation is perfectly grammatical accurate because anything IN THE BEGINNING (i.e at Creation) no longer valid.

Let's recap:

1. You already agreed that there's no different between A GOD and GOD.
2. You already agreed that The Word predate CREATION (i.e BEFORE CREATION) and as stated in the scripture.
3. Now placing The Word as Angel (created being) negate the two stance above.

The implication is:

You unanimously used the phrase "BEFORE CREATION" which means you are claiming the Word is UNCREATED. Do you realize that?

You've been trying to look for my attention, I hope by the time I start with you, you won't revert to your usual way.

Janosky:
[b]In koine Greek, ho Theo's ( the God) references the Almighty Supreme Being without any Father.

Jesus has a Father, therefore Jesus is NOT Almighty or Supreme.

You're off point. Address my post according to the way I put it down.

A god references Angels, man and Jesus.
John 10:34-36 , Jesus identified himself as a god because himself is son of God whom His Father calls god @ Psalms 82:1,6 (Jesus quoted at John 10:34-36).

It's already established that there's no different between A GOD and GOD.

That's the point for now and stick to that.

In a nutshell,Koine Greek differentiates God Almighty Yahweh from a god his son (or sons called gods.)

Which means Max is wrong for saying there's no different between God and a God, right?

MaxInDHouse:
Excellent!

That's what Moses and Jesus said about their God:

“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29

Jesus said about his God:

"God is a (one) Spirit" John 4:24

In English language one person is equally a person!

No! One person never equal a person in English language.

A as used mostly in English language means unknown identity.

Go and learn more about English language.

Meanwhile, God is ONE GOD.

Well going by your own one person to a person it means there's no different between Jesus being a God and Jehovah being a God.

What was Moses before God made him a God? Exodus 7:1

Even though you couldn't answer my question but instead played hide and seek.

Moses was a man.

So what is The Word was before becoming God before the Creation?

Remember ONLY GOD and Creator exists before Creation.

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means the Word became a God in the beginning of creation {John 1:1} unlike Jehovah who is God from everlasting to everlasting! Psalms 90:2

You're changing mouth. God and A God are the same. So, stop using A GOD or probably also use God for Jehovah.

For instance, "... unlike Jehovah who is a God..."

But you read the same John 1:1 that The Word WAS WITH GOD. No where it was ever stated that The Word BECAME A GOD. Infact, John's point in that opening chapter is to tell the NATURE of the Word.

Therefore, The Word WAS there before Creation began.

So, if the Word became God in the BEGINNING of Creation, what is The Word WAS before Creation?

This question is very important!

MaxInDHouse:
FALSE!

The verse reads "WAS God" just as Moses {Exodus 7:1} and other creatures WERE Gods at some point in time {Psalms 82:1,6} only JEHOVAH IS God from everlasting to everlasting! Psalms 90:1-2

Waooooo so WAS GOD means Jesus is neither God or A God.

Do you even understand that John 1:1 at all?

"In the beginning WAS The Word, and The Word WAS with God, and The Word WAS GOD"

If you're to write this as an English speaker, how will you pen it down?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't understand my posts all these while but i will clarify it today.

No wonder you couldn't address my point.

Why do you always use John 1:1 as a prove that Jesus isn't God but a God? If there's no different between God and a God, is my question.

JEHOVAH is God because He is always God from everlasting to everlasting but as for Moses and Jesus both WERE Gods in the sense that they are not always God Jehovah made them whatever they are!

We're on John 1:1 nobody asked you this.

Jesus is God according to John 1:1, true or false?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all i didn't quote him rather he is the one who quoted me first.

Your business, nobody asked you.

Secondly i don't even remember when he brought John 1:1 what he said is God is different from a God which i told him that President and a President means the same thing!

@color-red is the main point.

Since you agreed that President (God) and a President(God) mean the same thing.

Why did you always use John 1:1 as a support that Jesus is not God but a god?

If God and a God mean the same thing, you shouldn't have problem when some version of John 1:1 that says "...and the word was God"

That is the point.

MaxInDHouse:
Am i the one who brought John 1:1?

Still can't answer simple question.

The person you quoted cited John 1:1 in support of his claim that Jesus is God.

You responded by saying "this is what my own Bible says" and quoted it saying "...and the word was a god" to prove Jesus isn't GOD but a god.

Now, what is the purpose of you quoting John 1:1 which says "...and the word was a god" if there's no different between God and A God?

MaxInDHouse:
Moses was a God too! Exodus 7:1

You didn't answer my question.

Why did you bring John 1:1 into the discussion when you know there's no different between A GOD and GOD?

Very simple question.